if there were no need for 'engineers from the quantum plenum' then we should not have any unanswered scientific questions.
Started by manga, April 14, 2017, 01:25:52 AM
Quote from: solidsquid on April 14, 2017, 01:52:44 AMJust curious, why the obsession with NDEs?
Quote from: manga on April 14, 2017, 01:58:03 AMQuote from: solidsquid on April 14, 2017, 01:52:44 AMJust curious, why the obsession with NDEs?to me that is the best evidence of a possible soul. If debunked, I wouldn't believe in souls.
Quote from: manga on April 14, 2017, 01:25:52 AMthere are many NDE cases where a child below age 10 will have an NDE, which is exactly the same as an adult case. They will see a tunnel, a light, Jesus, Mary, some report sitting on Jesus's lap, etc. How could.a 4 year old who doesn't know he or she is about to die (let's say they drown or get hit by a.car from behind) have an OBE and see all this religious imagery? My guess would have been that they might have seen a tunnel and light as that could be a biological factor of what the brain does under stress, and maybe their parents kind of swayed them into the whole Jesus direction? These kids have interviews and can be found all over the internet. However, we are told that the kids tell the nurse right after the experience so that the kids.could not have told their parents. I know some may lie, but assuming some don't intentionally lie, what would you say about that? Dr. Morse did tests on kids who were on meds and drugs and not near death, found they didn't have the same experiences.
Quote from: solidsquid on April 14, 2017, 02:10:16 AMThe problem you'll run into with this kind of stuff, as with lots of other "evidence" is that is relies primarily upon subjective experience through the terrible filter of post-hoc subjective analysis and recall. You mention kids and their NDE experiences. It reminds me of the 1980s when an explosion of horrible stories relating to child abuse by children at the hands of "Satanic cults" during strange rituals. Parents were arrested and some even charged and put in jail. It was all fabrication owing largely to false memories and confabulation elicited through the actions of therapists, police detectives, relatives, and others. None of it ever happened.If you have some time read a bit about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 14, 2017, 06:51:12 PMI don't see what knowledge of ones own death has to do with anything. Unless your secular parents have managed to keep you completely under a rock since birth, odds are you're very well aware of the dominant religious ideology in your area by 4.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 14, 2017, 04:02:05 AMLekatt! Yes! manga reminds me of Lekatt! You guys remember him? That's all he wanted to talk about, NDE...and then he left. I think we just ran out of things to talk about.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 14, 2017, 07:34:52 PMQuote from: Magdalena on April 14, 2017, 04:02:05 AMLekatt! Yes! manga reminds me of Lekatt! You guys remember him? That's all he wanted to talk about, NDE...and then he left. I think we just ran out of things to talk about. Now that you mention him, I suddenly do. Can't for the life of me remember any of his posts tho.