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Started by Dave, December 29, 2016, 06:34:41 PM

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Dave

Some time ago tbere was a piece on the BBC about medical "fairs", volunteer doctors, dentists and opticians travelling the States bringing help to those unable to afford it. It was a horrible story.

This pm they interviewed the Englishman who set it up. He was so sorry he could only treat "...a drop in the bucket..." , a mere 100 000.

So, in the land of the free how many people are suffering pain, unable to read,  unable to work . . .  because state aid is seen as liberal socialist crap that, incidentally, probably cuts the profits of all kinds of rich and influential people?

Wonder if those suffering voted against the aid system Obama launched? Never mind, they are poor and therefore don't count anyway?

Bloody glad I am not an American!
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Recusant

Ironically, many of the states won by Trump also have high enrollments in "Obamacare." (Autoplay video at link.  >:()
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Firebird

There was a NY times article a whole back, can't find it, about one woman who relied on food stamps and subsidized health care for a while, but voted for Republicans anyway because she was no longer using it and thought people using it now were "mooching". Other Trump voters apparently didn't think he was serious when he said he would gut Obamacare. The amount of self-delusion with some people is just impossible to understand.
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Dave

Quote from: Recusant on December 29, 2016, 08:29:23 PM
Ironically, many of the states won by Trump also have high enrollments in "Obamacare." (Autoplay video at link.  >:()

If one graphed each state for religiosity, unemployment, income, state benefits drawn, predominant industrial tech type, education graduates v dropouts against support for Trump I wonder what the picture would be?
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Sandra Craft

Quote from: Firebird on December 30, 2016, 05:23:00 AM
There was a NY times article a whole back, can't find it, about one woman who relied on food stamps and subsidized health care for a while, but voted for Republicans anyway because she was no longer using it and thought people using it now were "mooching". Other Trump voters apparently didn't think he was serious when he said he would gut Obamacare. The amount of self-delusion with some people is just impossible to understand.

One explanation I heard is that the poor and/or unemployed white workers who vote Republican don't think the Right's anti-safety net plans apply to them.
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Bad Penny II

Quote from: Gloucester on December 30, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
If one graphed each state for religiosity, unemployment, income, state benefits drawn, predominant industrial tech type, education graduates v dropouts against support for Trump I wonder what the picture would be?

A Rorschach?
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Dave

Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 30, 2016, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on December 30, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
If one graphed each state for religiosity, unemployment, income, state benefits drawn, predominant industrial tech type, education graduates v dropouts against support for Trump I wonder what the picture would be?

A Rorschach?

Just a blob that your brsin can interpret any way it likes then?

Acfually the visulisation, in relative terms, of that kind of data would be a good exercise!  Maybe  a 3D topographical map with colour coded contours for each class and diameter representing numbers, one set for each state?

No, could not classify industry type in that way without imposing false values. Farming states are going to have a different mindset to high tech states I feel, but each is important to the economy - though the mindset difference is pertinent to my graph.

Nah, more work than it is worth without the odd super-computer or two to help!
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philosoraptor

It's no coincidence that many conservatives who rely on social services often vote for politicians who are completely against them. The most red states are almost the poorest and most uneducated as well. It's been well circulated recently, but a guy was railing on Facebook about how awful Obamacare is and he can't wait until they get rid of it, and his friends pointed out to him that he is insured through Obamacare. His response was no he wasn't, his insurance was through the Affordable Care Act. He honestly didn't know that they were the same fucking thing, and that's not an accident either. Republicans love a misinformed public, if people actually understood what was going on, no one would fucking vote for them.
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Davin

I saw that image, it's funny.



I don't have much doubt that it is real, but I don't just accept it either. I've talked to people who didn't realize that ObamaCare is the Affordable Care Act, and would talk like all the bad things (like "keep your doctor" or the website not working well for a few days), and all the good things were the ACA, as if they were two different things.
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Dave

Do I get the feeling that a lot of Trump supporters might soon become former Trump supporters.

But there willalways be idiots that will spin it, in their own minds or from Trumpite misrepresentation, so Obama is to blame . . .
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Biggus Dickus

I saw that post below last week, and not sure if it's real or not, but there have been many Republican/Trump supporters who apparently did not realize that Obamacare, and the Affordable Care Act were one in the same.

Excerpt from the following article.

Quote"I thought that Obamacare was different from the Affordable Care Act," said Waylon Harrison, a Trump supporters from Mobile, Ala. in an email. "Now I'm going to lose my health insurance. Trump was supposed to deport the Mexicans, bring the jobs back and lock up the Black Lives Matter terrorists. I didn't think he was going to screw over, us blue-collar, white folks."

Waylon sounds like a really nice person by the way, I mean for a racists ass.

The article also linked the following:

QuoteThe website GOP Apocalypse has posted the Twitter comments of Trump supporters who are enraged at the GOP's actions.
"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."

Firebird

Quote from: Gloucester on January 16, 2017, 03:30:48 PM
Do I get the feeling that a lot of Trump supporters might soon become former Trump supporters.

But there willalways be idiots that will spin it, in their own minds or from Trumpite misrepresentation, so Obama is to blame . . .

Yeah, that's what I'm scared of. There are people saying we should sit back, let Trump break things, and people will finally come to their senses and realize the Republicans are full of shit. Nope. Republicans will find any excuse to blame someone else, and as we've seen, people are gullible enough to believe it if you yell loud enough. Democrats need to yell and scream as loud as possible at every opportunity. Fuck being the "better person" at this point./
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Asmodean

Yeah... Well..

You want to know what I honestly think of this whole mess? No? Well, here goes;

Trump was elected by virtue of a hopelessly messy and at-a-glance broken elections system by people who really don't know better. You can blame the media, education, a general lack of interest and/or perspective but here, today, just before the inauguration, it just doesn't matter. Trump is the legitimate president of the United States for at least the next four years. The Republican party also has the majority in the Senate.

So... Let him build the wall, take away people's health insurance, leave NATO, fuck relations with China sideways... What have you. Let him do that, and a lot of people will suffer, not to mention the environment and the US' image abroad. And when you try to do your best to help your fellow man suffer less, or, if you are one of the less fortunate, just trying to... Well, keep breathing, really, learn the fucking lesson as you do that, and in the next election, vote for someone likely to not only clean up the mess, but also, or even in stead, fix a broken system once and for all.

Oh, and do invest in weapons and coal. I don't know shit about stock trading, but somehow weapons and coal seem... Safe. At least in the near future.

My jury on Trump is still out. It will not come in until the end of his term. What does baffle me, is the level of ignorance displayed in certain rather large circles of the US society as to what Trump's proposed policies will actually mean for them.
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Dave

Will America ever be the same again?

Unless there is some kind of victory of sense over stupidity (awful lot of the latter still being displayed) . . .

Yes!

Then again, if this is the fuck-up it seems to be heading towards the GOP could sink in its own cess-pit over the next 4 years. If Trump even lasts that long. Oh, forgot Pence moves up one if Trump is impeached or abdicates.

Oops.
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