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Started by Court, August 01, 2006, 07:46:27 PM

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Court

#15
Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.
Yup, but at least scientists don't think they have all the answers. My best guess would be the egg (Laetus and McQ did a good job of explaining why).
Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?
What came first: chicken or egg is the fundamental question? Okay, then. But I don't know the answers to the fundamental question, because I'm not that arrogant. I do know, however, that "god did it" is a cop-out answer.
Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.
Well, I kind of thought you were being sarcastic, because I think that question is dumb. So I gave a smart-ass answer. And you're condescending me again. Big surprise.
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McQ

#16
Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.

Evolutionists (a loose term, to be sure) do not try and explain the origin of the universe. Cosmologists do. Evolutionary Biologists seek the nature of life and how it evolved, not if it evolved. You're going to have to learn to get it right, or you'll just continue to look like you're out of your league.

Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?

Probing what things? The answer to the chicken and the egg? Scientists don't spend time answering that, because it is not a fundamental question to science. It is only a fun question to ask to stimulate thought among kids. However, it has turned into something else here. It's not even a valid question to science. Sort of like, "How fast does Santa's sleigh fly?"

Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.

I don't speak for Court, 'cause she does a great job herself, but I doubt she's avoiding the issue. Instead of telling her she should give a more reasoned and thought out response, perhaps you should ask some reasoned and thought out questions.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
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McQ

#17
Quote from: "Court"
Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.
Yup, but at least scientists don't think they have all the answers. My best guess would be the egg (Laetus and McQ did a good job of explaining why).
Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?
What came first: chicken or egg is the fundamental question? Okay, then. But I don't know the answers to the fundamental question, because I'm not that arrogant. I do know, however, that "god did it" is a cop-out answer.
Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.
Well, I kind of thought you were being sarcastic, because I think that question is dumb. So I gave a smart-ass answer. And you're condescending me again. Big surprise.

No, you're right on, court. You thought it was a dumb question. You're right. It is. It's not a fundamental question to science. It's just a kid's thought stimulation question, misused by unthinking people for years.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Jillette

Squid

#18
The egg came before there was an organism that could be called a chicken.  For example, dinosaur embryos found fossiled in eggs way before there were chickens.

Asmodean Prime

#19
McQ, I don't suppose Adam and eve did have navels.

After Adam and eve had cain and abel, they lived hundreds of years and had other children.  The bible doesn't say 'they' were the only two offspring of Adam.

And of course i confuse scientists and evolutionists, etc.  I'm simply (lazily) speaking generally of those who are 'not creationists'...anybody who is not one of 'us'.  But I think you failed to see the light-hearted nature of my question.  Oh, I'm a lazy typist.

Asmodean Prime

#20
another random question:

what do you think of rumours about concentration camps in america?

http://www.freedomdomain.com/concamp.html

this is for all you who think you have your freedoms gauranteed.  Ha.

America -land of the free, home of the brave (is that the right way round?)

Ok, cry 'conspiracy theory' if you want.  But there is a lot of information out there about just this subject.

see also :  
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/CAMPS.html

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... merica.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration.html

McQ

#21
Quote from: "onlyme"McQ, I don't suppose Adam and eve did have navels.

After Adam and eve had cain and abel, they lived hundreds of years and had other children.  The bible doesn't say 'they' were the only two offspring of Adam.

Re-read Genesis, onlyme. There was no time passage whatsoever (ok, maybe a minute or two) in between Cain killing Abel and God exiling him.

And if we are all made in God's image, why didn't Adam and Eve have navels. All of the rest of humanity has them. Did God only make most people in his image?

My point here is to not take the Bible literally, as too many Christians do.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
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Court

#22
Onlyme, that's so ridiculous, I'm speechless.
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Whitney

#23
Quote from: "onlyme"another random question:
what do you think of rumours about concentration camps in america?

We did have concentration camps for Japanese Americans back during WWII...but not the type that was set up to kill anyone and it was very wrong.

I'm sure some suspected terrorists who are actually innocent are being held in jails, but it's not like they are going around rounding up anyone who looks like an arab.  There aren't any rumors of concentration camps here, sounds like anti-american propoganda.

I do know they are being quick to deport anyone who is here on something like a student visa from places like Iraq if they do anything remotely wrong.  We had one student picked up by the feds and deported (about 6 months after 9/11) after some girls complained about his inappropriate sexual advances.  There may had been more to it, but that seemed to be the reason; especially since his roomate didn't get deported.

There are a lot of rumors foating around about a huge government conspiracy to hide UFOs and that they are now slowly releasing that information in preparation for letting the genral public know about the existance of real aliens...but that doesn't mean the rumors are true.

Don't believe everything you read ;)

MommaSquid

#24
Quote from: "onlyme"this is for all you who think you have your freedoms gauranteed.  Ha.

America -land of the free, home of the brave (is that the right way round?)

Nothing in life is guaranteed, including your next breath.

Big Mac

#25
Onlyme, there also are quite a few holocaust denial websites. So using your "logic" (the term is used here so loosely it makes Bill Clinton sport a chub) that means that enough people talk about and believe it, it probably is true. Just like when everyone thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe. Riiiight...

Here's some of the Holocaust denial:

http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html

http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml

http://www.zundelsite.org/

http://www.cwporter.com/

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html

http://www.imperium-europa.org/

See? There are plenty of people who claim a lot of things, doesn't make it true automatically.

And so what if they're might be a civilian inmate labor camp? Prisoners do all kinds of labor all the time. It's not inhumane, it's cost-effective to make them work. That's probably why they're in prison to begin with, too lazy to get a skill or be a human being. Of course you probably feel a kinship with them seeing as you are an ex-mugger.
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Asmodean Prime

#26
Ok, mommasquid, I popped up on the correct forum eventually

But you didn't answer my question regarding your avatar.   Does it respresend the UK TV series 'tales of the unexpected', James Bond, Tomb Raider, or something completely different?

Or are you just not saying?

Asmodean Prime

#27
Quote from: "Big Mac"Onlyme, there also are quite a few holocaust denial websites. So using your "logic" (the term is used here so loosely it makes Bill Clinton sport a chub) that means that enough people talk about and believe it, it probably is true. Just like when everyone thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe. Riiiight...

Here's some of the Holocaust denial:

http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html

http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml

http://www.zundelsite.org/

http://www.cwporter.com/

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html

http://www.imperium-europa.org/

See? There are plenty of people who claim a lot of things, doesn't make it true automatically.

And so what if they're might be a civilian inmate labor camp? Prisoners do all kinds of labor all the time. It's not inhumane, it's cost-effective to make them work. That's probably why they're in prison to begin with, too lazy to get a skill or be a human being. Of course you probably feel a kinship with them seeing as you are an ex-mugger.

Bigmac, many of these website seem fundamentally anti-jewish in content and sentiment.  There are many alive today who lived through the holocaust, including American soldiers, who witnessed first hand the liberation of these camps.

also, do you really think you are better off believing the islamist, anti jewish, anti-american camp in these things?

Just a matter for your perusal.

Whitney

#28
Big Mac wasn't saying he believed those sites....he was using them as an example of how rumors are generally just that...rumors not truth.

Asmodean Prime

#29
OK, laetus, I get you

But did you click on the links I posted?  and do you think they are just rumours?  Or is there something more at stake?