Re: How Life May Have First Emerged On Earth (Abiogenesis Thread)

[zorkan]

Yes but, how do expect those who believe in another version will find joy at that?
How does it explain zombies in the bible?
Remember that the dead rose from their graves.
That's what I call abiogenesis.

[Asmodean]

How does it explain zombies in the bible?

[mock-pseudointellectualism, for some reason with ze French accént]Ah, but you see that is a metaphor for the constituent elements of a human body being recycled back into the ecosystem upon death, thus giving rise to the new life, oui? Some call it reincarnation, some call it zombiefication, some call it the circle of life. [/French, etc]

[zorkan]

So which came first; zombies, xenomorphs, or xenozombies?

It's all in the bible, you know.
Ezekiel 37, 7-10:
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone.
8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' "
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.

[Asmodean]

Well, xenozombies are just foreign zombies, so no particular chicken-and-eggs there. Xenomorphs... Being parasitic, they had to arise after other life forms, so if those life forms were subject to zombiefication, then xenomorphs arose after zombies.

Hmm... Yes. Yes, first, there were vast zombie hordes, and then there was a chainsaw massacre.

...Then xenomorphs and them pesky foreign zombies, stealing graves from the natives and mooching off the richness of their soil.

[Recusant]

Good stuff. 

I freely admit that rainwater possibly enabling the formation of the first protocells via interacting with coacervate droplets is less colorful. 

"Rain may have helped form the first cells, kick-starting life as we know it" | The Conversation

Billions of years of evolution have made modern cells incredibly complex. Inside cells are small compartments called organelles that perform specific functions essential for the cell's survival and operation. For instance, the nucleus stores genetic material, and mitochondria produce energy.

Another essential part of a cell is the membrane that encloses it. Proteins embedded on the surface of the membrane control the movement of substances in and out of the cell. This sophisticated membrane structure allowed for the complexity of life as we know it. But how did the earliest, simplest cells hold it all together before elaborate membrane structures evolved?

In our recently published research in the journal Science Advances, my colleagues from the University of Chicago and the University of Houston and I explored a fascinating possibility that rainwater played a crucial role in stabilizing early cells, paving the way for life's complexity.

[Continues--essentially, rainwater is deionized which promotes the formation of a possible precursor of the cell membrane.]

The paper is open access:

"Did the exposure of coacervate droplets to rain make them the first stable protocells?" | Science Advances

Abstract:

Membraneless coacervate microdroplets have long been proposed as model protocells as they can grow, divide, and concentrate RNA by natural partitioning. However, the rapid exchange of RNA between these compartments, along with their rapid fusion, both within minutes, means that individual droplets would be unable to maintain their separate genetic identities. Hence, Darwinian evolution would not be possible, and the population would be vulnerable to collapse due to the rapid spread of parasitic RNAs.

In this study, we show that distilled water, mimicking rain/freshwater, leads to the formation of electrostatic crosslinks on the interface of coacervate droplets that not only suppress droplet fusion indefinitely but also allow the spatiotemporal compartmentalization of RNA on a timescale of days depending on the length and structure of RNA.

We suggest that these nonfusing membraneless droplets could potentially act as protocells with the capacity to evolve compartmentalized ribozymes in prebiotic environments.

[zorkan]

Being parasitic, they had to arise after other life forms, so if those life forms were subject to zombiefication, then xenomorphs arose after zombies.

Really, how do you know that?

My source is the Book Of Zorka.
"Life arose by Zombiefication". (Chapter 1, In the Beginning).
This is not unlike the first verses of Chapter 1 of The Book of Jasher, which didn't make it into the bible.

https://sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/1.htm

Note also: "Only the dead will inherit the earth." (Chapter 4, End of Days).

[Asmodean]

Ah, but your blasphemously-unholy Not-The-Gray-Tome of a book is wrong.

You can't zombiefy a undead or a alive. Zombiefication only works properly on the recently-deceased. thus, you need something to die, in the sense of no longer live, for the T-virus to then at the moment of death take over its soon-to-be-rotting corpse, grow a bunch of appendages with eyes on it and have Leon S. Kennedy shoot it with a gun. That's how it is, because that's how the Gray Tome sayeth it is.

[zorkan]

I think you'll find the Gray Tome is wrong and the Book of Zorka is right.