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Started by Eris, April 21, 2008, 11:55:02 PM
Quote from: "SteveS"Here's a good example: someone trying to sell me magazines because a portion of the proceeds goes to special olympics. This, to me, is ridiculous. The amount they actually give to special olympics pales in comparison to the amount they keep for themselves. If I want to help special olympics, it is far more effective to donate to the organization directly. Why pay for a magazine I don't want, just to make an inefficient donation to special olympics?
Quote from: "rlrose328"But the thing is, those companies that do the fundraisers have "rewards" for the kids when they sell the stuff and the kid would feel left out if he doesn't participate. It's not that I want him to HAVE to fit in, but it's important to teach him that fundraising is important to a community (in this case, the school). What do we do?
Quote from: "Eris"I continue to struggle with the question of whether or not to be charitable as it supports the existense of humanity's weaknesses, or to be uncharitable even though it's so scorned in today's society.
Quote from: "pjkeeley"Quote from: "Eris"I continue to struggle with the question of whether or not to be charitable as it supports the existense of humanity's weaknesses, or to be uncharitable even though it's so scorned in today's society.Eris, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that being charitable "supports the existence of humanity's weaknesses". Could you elaborate?
QuoteI think he means that supporting the poor may actually be supporting the reason why people are poor, because they're lazy. That's the problem with welfare, it allows some people to get by without being productive.
Quote from: "pjkeeley"If so that is a horrible generalisation. Not all poor people are lazy, and charity is not the same as welfare. I await Eris' response.
QuoteShould my goal be to act in the best interests of all of humanity, sacrificing individuals where need be? Or should it be to uplift the individuals regardless of their effect on the human race?
Quote from: "Eris"No PJ, it's not a generalization at all.
Quote from: "Eris"Martian was correct about charity supporting the reason for such weaknesses as poverty. Guess what? It does. I did not say - nor do I mean - that it applies to each individual. But if you're throwing blanket sums around then you should expect your blanket to land on multiple types, not just one, and to deny that your resources went to something that your resources did indeed go to is rather ignorant.
Quote from: "Eris"It seems a self-evident truth that we cannot both benefit the group without hurting individuals. For the health and progression of the whole, we may need to shed some people as we would shed skin cells. (Continuing with the skin cell analogy, we do not purposely get rid of them, we passively let them die. Don't think I'm advocating that we actively attempt, with our finite and inadequate wisdom, to cleanse our own species).