if there were no need for 'engineers from the quantum plenum' then we should not have any unanswered scientific questions.
Started by cspanther, April 19, 2008, 01:27:45 AM
Quote from: "orandj"Sounds good to me. However,as soon as someone sets up any group, there will be people who want to join that you or others view as undesirable. This is not a reason for not starting a group, it's an inevitable dilemma that in some ways helps the group identify the extent of their commonly held position.
Quote from: "elliebean"The members on this forum are a diverse group, from all walks of life (and I'm happy to see how welcoming and tolerant we are of each other's differences so far), but if we take the example of political affiliations, you don't usually find the run-of-the-mill, binary, republican/democrat self-identification so common in the wider population. We (atheists) represent the full range of left-right politics, but I see a lot more independents, libertarians, socialists, anarchists, etc. within our ranks than you might find proportionally outside of them. A lot more out-of-the-box thinking too.So maybe there's some hope for us.
Quote from: "elliebean"What I'm wondering now is whether it would be more advantageous to try to get atheists with all our differing views to try to come together or for atheists to push for more acceptance and recognition of their presence and their rights within each of their other communities. Perhaps the former has to happen in order for there to be a concerted effort toward the latter.
Quote from: "orandj"...more simply we seem to be demanding that atheists should be free to enjoy the same social networking/priviledges other lobbying groups have.
QuoteGiven this, what do you think of the Ancestor's trail event? I know it's on another continent
Quote from: "i_am_i"I can see someone organizing an event for athiests in a cool nightclub, a place where young single people wouldn't have to worry about striking up a conversation with a wacko Christer and the older folks could drink and dig on the music in peace, knowing that there aren't any morons about. It would be great! Really interesting people hanging out, nice and relaxed, with a great jazz band on the stand and no sky-god fruitcakes in the room.Make it a once-a-week event. I'd be there religiously. Well, you know what I mean.
Quote from: "TheAntitheist"Isn't atheism simply non-belief? Passive by definition? Not really a great clarion call to organise around - which is why all those "we are the one true faith" shouters seem so attractive in comparison.Antitheism, however, represents active oppostion towards religious belief. Its active element automatically makes it a stronger proposition for attracting support, interest, a "following" if you will.Personally, any organised approach to tackling faiths and their associated nonsense gets my vote - be it passive or active (as long as it is within the law, of course!). For those looking for a practical way to further their atheism or antitheism, check out my facebook page which includes examples of active opposition, highlights failings among theists, etc... Just search for "The Antitheist" in facebook and take a look - become a fan if you feel like it.
Quote from: "TheAntitheist"Isn't atheism simply non-belief? Passive by definition? Not really a great clarion call to organise around
Quote from: "Whitney"Quote from: "TheAntitheist"Isn't atheism simply non-belief? Passive by definition? Not really a great clarion call to organise aroundI don't know...seemed to work pretty well for this forum
Quote from: "TheAntitheist"Fair points guys - it's just that from personal experience I know a number of people who don't believe in a god but see absolutely no point in associating with that especially or organising around it (and why should they? I don't believe in invisible hedgehogs either but have no burning desire to create a community with other like minded folk).To me, antitheism is a distinct and separate position (and, similarly, I'm sure that if I considered people that did believe in invisible hedgehogs to be a real threat to freedom and progress then I would be moved to resist them). However, I can also see how it might just be considered a matter of semantics.But, hey, I'm just a newbie! Short version - I totally understand wanting to describe oneself as accurately as possible. Sometimes I worry about people differentiating too much between fellow non believers because it may end up creating a kind of toxic denominational-ism which, as we see in religion, is counter-intuitive to progress.