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President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.
In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this decision, based on conversations with his staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and his wife and daughters. The rest at the link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-comes-out-i-think-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married/Way to go, POTUS! It's about time! |
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 01:30:37 PM » |
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I think the state should have no say in what consenting adults can do with their love lives. I think it's sick the homosexual community needs state approval to enter into a matrimonial contract.
I suppose it's better than than preventing it though...
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 01:36:05 PM » |
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President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.
In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this decision, based on conversations with his staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and his wife and daughters. The rest at the link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-comes-out-i-think-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married/Way to go, POTUS! It's about time! It is an election year... |
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 02:05:04 PM » |
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Yeah, it's an election year. And what he said might definitely get him more votes. Especially if he follows through and does something about it. I know that some people object to the government having any say in who we marry, but whether we like the system or not, it wasn't so long ago that the Church had total control of marriage rather than the government. At least now, it is for the most part a civil institution. We can't marry ourselves 'legally' in any country I know of, whether we're gay or straight, so... *shrug* And even if he is pandering for votes, well, if same sex marriage got passed nationwide, I wouldn't see that as a bad thing at all. It's what a LOT of people are fighting for. Shame it takes an election year to get the ball rolling, but if that's what it takes, then... When I said 'it's about time', I mostly meant it like 'it's about time the USA catches up with Canada!'  It's just embarrassing that we legalized it first. I mean, now straight people and gay people here are entering into marriages, with the exact same equal chance of paying taxes, raising kids, getting benefits, and either staying happy or becoming miserable.  |
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 02:23:10 PM » |
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Finally!
It's an flat out embarrassment to have a president who is opposed to same-sex marriage. So I'm glad he came around publicly.
Now do something about it. North Carolina just got hit hard with an awful amendment. It's time to put an end to this bull.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 02:33:05 PM » |
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I think the state should have no say in what consenting adults can do with their love lives. I think it's sick the homosexual community needs state approval to enter into a matrimonial contract.
I suppose it's better than than preventing it though...
I agree. Unless someone harms society (murderers, etc) people over age of 18 should do whatever the fuck they want. (as long as its consentsual.) |
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 03:41:00 PM » |
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I am happily shocked that he came out and said it during an election year. Honestly, it could also hurt him at the polls just as easily. A lot of the swing states that he needs to win include places like North Carolina and the other 29 states that ban gay marriage. It's politically risky, and I'm fairly certain this wouldn't have come up had VP Biden not opened up about what he really thinks, as he often does. I love Joe Biden  But taking a step back, it feels fucking awesome to know my President said this, especially when I think of all of my friends and family who are gay. Bravo Mr. President. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 05:21:35 PM » |
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Yes, it is definitely about time. I'm glad he finally came around and had the guts to say this, but I'm really disappointed that he's stated that recognition and legalization of gay marriages should be up to each state: The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states’ deciding the issue on their own. People either deserve full civil rights or they don't. Why should states be allowed to deny same sex couples the right to marry? |
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 06:20:11 PM » |
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It is an election year...
Yes, and apparently the gay vote is the new Wall Street vote. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2012, 02:16:01 AM » |
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I'm glad he's said it and it's the right thing. However I refuse to believe that any politician would do such a thing unless he calculated that it would win votes.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 06:50:53 AM » |
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We can't marry ourselves 'legally' in any country I know of, whether we're gay or straight, so... *shrug*
I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly, but if you mean that you need a church official, sea captain, or judge to legally officiate a marriage ceremony, for the record, any one can perform a marriage ceremony (including the couples simply "marrying themselves") in Colorado. Of course, for some bizarre reason, that doesn't include same sex couples. So I guess your gay friend could officiate your hetero marriage with no particular credentials, but for some reason he can't marry himself to the person of his choosing. Makes total sense.  Husband's cousins "married themselves" in a very pretty ceremony in the mountains. They didn't have an officiant, they just spoke their vows to each other and signed the certificate and then they were married. Anyway, about Obama coming out in support of...I'm glad he did, but it also pisses me off that it's taken him this long. I've figured that he has secretly supported it all along, but didn't feel that it was politically prudent to say so. That infuriates me; people's civil rights shouldn't be a token in a political game.  |
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2012, 06:52:49 AM » |
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I'm getting mixed response on whether this was a shrewd political move or political suicide. After all, there are 31 states with constitutional amendments against gay marriage.
My Southern colleague, some what tongue in cheek, expressed it as "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Albert". Need to find a good cartoon for this.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2012, 07:18:56 AM » |
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We can't marry ourselves 'legally' in any country I know of, whether we're gay or straight, so... *shrug*
I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly, but if you mean that you need a church official, sea captain, or judge to legally officiate a marriage ceremony, for the record, any one can perform a marriage ceremony (including the couples simply "marrying themselves") in Colorado. Of course, for some bizarre reason, that doesn't include same sex couples. So I guess your gay friend could officiate your hetero marriage with no particular credentials, but for some reason he can't marry himself to the person of his choosing. Makes total sense. Husband's cousins "married themselves" in a very pretty ceremony in the mountains. They didn't have an officiant, they just spoke their vows to each other and signed the certificate and then they were married. Wow, this is interesting. I didn't know that it was possible for a couple to marry each other without an officiant present, ie, totally alone with nobody presiding. That's kinda neat. I'm pretty sure it's required in most other places to have at the bare minimum an officiant/celebrant and at least one witness, but I could be wrong. Colorado seems to be a fun exception! At any rate, I totally agree with you that it's ridiculous that a gay friend could marry two straight people in the USA, but couldn't marry himself to his partner, or couldn't marry two gay friends there. That's odd, and I hope that changes. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2012, 07:28:58 AM » |
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Anyway, about Obama coming out in support of...I'm glad he did, but it also pisses me off that it's taken him this long. I've figured that he has secretly supported it all along, but didn't feel that it was politically prudent to say so. That infuriates me; people's civil rights shouldn't be a token in a political game. Yeah, it makes me kind of sad that it's taken so long for him to take this stance, like it's so "scandalous." Meanwhile, some of the Conservatives in the U.S. have been un-apologetically rabid about their positions for years. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 07:36:49 AM » |
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Wow, this is interesting. I didn't know that it was possible for a couple to marry each other without an officiant present, ie, totally alone with nobody presiding. That's kinda neat. I'm pretty sure it's required in most other places to have at the bare minimum an officiant/celebrant and at least one witness, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I was surprised by that too. California doesn't even acknowledge common-law marriages. |
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