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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2006, 04:32:09 PM »
As I understand it, in the Darwinian sense, all fossils are transitional.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2006, 04:44:50 PM »
I went back and fixed a couple of the tags I screwed up.  A couple still won't work for some reason, couldn't figure out why...all well.

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Thanks, Squid! I'm glad you had the time and took the time to do that for bmxrider.

No problemo.  8)

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As I understand it, in the Darwinian sense, all fossils are transitional.


Yep.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2006, 03:50:21 AM »
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As I understand it, in the Darwinian sense, all fossils are transitional.


Yep. Excellent point.
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guided evolution
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2006, 05:10:57 AM »
I thimk you might  be wrong,Squid. Evolution is guided. By survival. This might be a bit simplistic,but as I understand it,one of the main reasons that evolution occurs is to afford the organism a better chance to survive.
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Re: guided evolution
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2006, 09:24:18 AM »
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Evolution is guided. By survival. This might be a bit simplistic,but as I understand it,one of the main reasons that evolution occurs is to afford the organism a better chance to survive.


I think that survival can "trigger" evolutionary "events", which is different than that the evolution is guided by survival. We humans in the western world barely have to fight for our survival, nethertheless we are still evolving (f.e. people grow taller with every new generation, because there is no lack of food).
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2006, 11:22:59 PM »
Actually,Squid,I think evolution IS guided. It seems to me that the survival of the species in question is the guiding force behind the evolutionary step.
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2006, 11:24:26 PM »
Oops,when I looked earlier,my post from last night didn't show up. Sorry for being redundant,everybody!
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Re: guided evolution
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2006, 11:48:24 PM »
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I thimk you might  be wrong,Squid. Evolution is guided. By survival. This might be a bit simplistic,but as I understand it,one of the main reasons that evolution occurs is to afford the organism a better chance to survive.


And what study is this claim based on?
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2006, 04:38:06 AM »
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Actually,Squid,I think evolution IS guided. It seems to me that the survival of the species in question is the guiding force behind the evolutionary step.


Survival is a consequence of selection not a predetermined goal.  The "need" or "instinct" for survival is a product of evolution itself.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2006, 12:01:14 AM »
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Actually,Squid,I think evolution IS guided. It seems to me that the survival of the species in question is the guiding force behind the evolutionary step.

Survival is a consequence of selection not a predetermined goal.  The "need" or "instinct" for survival is a product of evolution itself.


Ditto.

(sorry, just had to chime in to agree with Squid!)
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2006, 02:55:49 PM »
That was a really good post, Squid - and I especially liked the graphic that showed what parts of the development of life evolution covered.  Visually, it counters the creationist notion that evolution makes claims about the origins of life itself.  The explanation of how fossilization occurs and why it doesn't always was clear, as well.

What makes me sad, though, is that this is very clear information that any junior high student should be able to understand - indeed, should have learned before starting high school - and yet, the ID proponents, creationists, fundamentalists, (all grown adults) regularly show that they don't understand.  The arguments in favor of biblical creation not only ignore these most basic facts, but deliberately twist them.  And then young minds are programmed early on to mistrust the truth.  This post will be like all the good arguments with proven and well-supported science - preaching to the choir or banging its head against a brick wall.

This member of the choir, though, appreciates the effort.
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2006, 10:15:36 PM »
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is that this is very clear information that any junior high student should be able to understand - indeed, should have learned before starting high school


Ya know, I don't think I really learned anything about evolution in 12th grade or lower.  I vaguely remember going over the basic theory in one class period and that was it.  I guess that's what they are doing here in Oklahoma...just avoiding teaching much of it at all.  But if all school systems would just get the basics across to students we wouldn't have to be playing teachers in the forums.  The only reason I know that much about evolution is because I loved watching nature/science programs when I was young and took the time to read more about it so I can try to answer creationist questions.  I can tell that my understanding of evolution is still behind that of those who were actually given a proper education in the subject...which is fine since I feel my understanding is adequate to form a decision on it being a good theory and I intend to learn more as time permits.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2006, 10:21:48 AM »
I don't even remember evolutionary theory even being mentioned at all in high school, ever.  I didn't really start getting the gist of it until I started college and took my first biology class.
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2006, 08:15:42 PM »
Wow.  You know, I don't even remember when I learned about evolution.  I do know, though, that my daughters were fascinated by dinosaurs practically from day one, and loved not only dinosaur figurines and fiction, but would watch shows and read stories about real dinosaurs, which, of course, included a little here and a little there about evolution.  It led them to ask me questions, which led to trips to the library and a couple of museums, so there was never a question in my house about whether or when the schools taught evolution.  They do know, however, that the day their school systems put ID classes on the curriculum is the day we start homeschooling.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2007, 04:33:53 AM »
I know this reply is a bit late in coming but I figured if anyone ran across it, it'd help in any search for information about evolution.  So, without further ado, here's Squid's list of sites:


http://www.talkorigins.org/

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/index.html

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Main_Page

http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcevolbiol/

http://human-nature.com/ep/

http://www.ncseweb.org/default.asp

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/index.html

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

http://gslc.genetics.utah.edu/

http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html

http://home1.gte.net/ericjw1/index.html

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/home.shtml

http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/index.html

http://lifesciences.asu.edu/evolution/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/darwin/

http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/projects/human/#

http://www.evotutor.org/

http://www.evolutionhappens.net/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/

http://www.becominghuman.org/

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/

http://pageup.info/evolution/

http://www.nationalacademies.org/evolution/

http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/evolution/

http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/biology/humanevolution/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution.htm

http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/

http://www.pandasthumb.org/

http://nsm1.nsm.iup.edu/rgendron/EvolutionOnTheWeb.shtml

http://biologyinmotion.com/evol/

http://www.evolutionsociety.org/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evolution/

http://www.nsta.org/evresources

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/evolution

http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/index.htm

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/

http://www.vuletic.com/hume/sc/

http://www.academicinfo.net/evolution.html

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/indexpage.htm

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/evidence.html

http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/evolution-for-beginners.html

http://www.2ndlaw.com/

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/evolution.html

http://www.biology-online.org/tutorials/2_genetics_evolution.htm

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/science/

http://www.sigmaxi.org/resources/evolution/index.shtml

http://www.agner.org/evolution/


http://www.atheistcoalition.com/articles.htm

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/education/explorations/tours/geotime/

http://www.evolutionhappens.net/

http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/Evolution_misconceptions/links.htm

http://fossils.valdosta.edu/


Some you probably know well and some you've probably ran across before, but I hope a few are new and many can learn from their pages.
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