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Dave:
In many discussions I have seen theists have lumped all atheists together, mentioning the likes of Stalin or Pol Pot and the crimes their regimes committed.

Well, theists have sects and I would like to posit that atheism also does. One could consider Humanism, atheism and antitheism, the "soft" end to the "hard one, to be the three main "sects". http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487 offers 17 further divisions that are mainly details of depth of disbelief.

OK, in strict honesty we should accept Stalin etc since, if the disbelieve in the supernatural is the qualification, they do qualify as atheists. So - all atheists belong in the same box, eh?

So, surely that means that all theists, regardless of denomination or sect, are likewise in the their box. As all atheists disbelieve in the supernatural so all theists believe in it, many worshipping the same entity. But, well, theists are theists, if they all worship some form of supernatural entity. So, to be fair, they have to own to the likes of Osama bin Laden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi et al as being their brothers-in-god.

It seems unfair of, say, Christians to claim that such people are not really "men-of-god"; but those people claim that Christians are the blasphemers - both cannot be right. Even Muslims suffer the same dichotomy within their religion, most extreme Muslim groups being Sunni they consider the Shi'ites to be blasphemers.

I am just developing the idea, any comments?

No one:
All subsects that humans dissect themselves into, have their level heads and their asshats. Unfortunately, the spotlight shines brightest on the asshats.

Recusant:

--- Quote from: Dave on August 06, 2018, 05:38:36 PM ---In many discussions I have seen theists have lumped all atheists together, mentioning the likes of Stalin or Pol Pot and the crimes their regimes committed.
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It's a faulty syllogism:

P1. Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.

P2. Stalin and Pol Pot committed atrocities.

C. Atheism results in the commission of atrocities.

No actual logical connection is shown between atheism and the commission of atrocities.

Stalin and Pol Pot committed atrocities in furtherance of establishing control over their respective states; attempting to eliminate any and all perceived threats to that control. Their atheism was irrelevant in regards to motivations for their actions.

As for "sects" within atheism, I'm not convinced that there is much utility in the idea, and have found attempts to promote them (Atheism+, Sunday Assembly) unattractive.

Ecurb Noselrub:

--- Quote from: No one on August 06, 2018, 08:19:53 PM ---All subsects that humans dissect themselves into, have their level heads and their asshats. Unfortunately, the spotlight shines brightest on the asshats.

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Yep, every team has its super stars and its duds.  And a lot of Average Joes.

Sandra Craft:
Can't agree that no atheist believes in the supernatural, tho I'd be willing to bet that most don't.  I have known some who do believe in the supernatural, just not in gods.

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