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Medical care. A moral choice.
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:16:58 AM »
You have a finite budget. Do you spend money keeping people aged 70+ alive for an average of 3 extra years. Or do you spend that same money on kids who would live on average an extra 10+ years? How do you explain your choice to each group?
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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 10:43:51 AM »
I think the dollars spent in the last couple of years could be spent better elsewhere.
Why? the quality of life tends to be pretty crap, desperation keeps 'em hang'n in.
I'm not so concerned about getting the young to 90 instead of 80, increased quality of life provided by such as quoted below appeals to me.
Less dying at 30, less woman suffering infertility against prolonging the shitty life of a 90 year old, no competition.


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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 11:02:09 AM »
As a 73 yo heart attack victim (50%ish self-inflicted) with €20,000 worth of electronics (at the price when fitted) in my chest (actually twice, the first one broke) and consuming kilos of medicines I wish there was something like the Fith Ammendent that I could plead.

Maybe I donate £25/month to medical and children's charities and make cash and other gifts to local schools to assuage my "guilt". I also purchase those medicines (paracetamol mainly) available off prescription and have had private consultations for elective, non-critical (but beyond GP level) problems. Currently the local hospital is the main beneficiary in my will.

I do attempt to make myself useful via voluntary and charity work.

PS, since being taken off a certain medication my time demands on the NHS have probably reduced by about 70%.
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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 11:13:49 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 12:15:09 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 12:19:43 PM »
[I desire that object!

So do I; it's beautiful. I knew you would like it.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 01:35:20 PM »
[I desire that object!

So do I; it's beautiful. I knew you would like it.

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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 03:02:42 PM »
Split the spending, give them equal amounts, so 1.5 years to 70+ and 5 years to the younger.

The younger will get older, and if they get 10+ years, more of them will lose those years later in life if money is not spent on them when they are older. So spending it all on the young and not the old is a waste of money.

There won't be enough to get old enough to get the 70+ spending if the young are not taken care of, so spending it only on the old would also be a waste because then there will be fewer people to reach that age (and then there will be money available to spend on the young).

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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2018, 01:58:11 PM »

I desire that object!

Oh so do I! I love it!

When I saw it I thought it might of been a comment,
mechanical heart in need of lube.
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Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2018, 02:07:13 PM »

I desire that object!

Oh so do I! I love it!

When I saw it I thought it might of been a comment,
mechanical heart in need of lube.
Re: Medical care. A moral choice.
Still not sure it wasn't.


That's way too subtle for me. I'm just an uncomplicated fellow.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2018, 02:19:26 PM »
That's way too subtle for me. I'm just an uncomplicated fellow.

Of course.
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I could post a pic of a bleeding heart I suppose.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2018, 02:59:23 PM »
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I'm just an uncomplicated fellow.

Yeah, yeah - OK...
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