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National Socialism
« on: March 04, 2018, 04:49:05 PM »
From this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130404235316/http://www.nsm88.org/25points/25pointsengl.html
It was a little challenging to find out what these people believe in, everything I found was kind of vague, until I ended up at that site, which is quite to the point.
I'd like to weigh in, and maybe even get Breatharian's thoughts on these points, which, doubtless, will make me detest him/her as a person. Which makes me sad, because I want to give him/her the benefit of the doubt, but alas.... anyone who thinks along these lines, I don't have much use for.

So point #4:
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Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.
I wonder, how exactly does the National Socialist party want to institute this point? Shall the non-white members of "The State" just have their citizenship immediately revoked? And how would the Pure White bloodline be established? Are all 246,000,000 white-looking people to have their blood tested to verify their pure blood? And Breatharian, would you be willing to undergo this testing also? Would you take that chance?

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All non-White immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Whites currently residing in America illegally be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin.
 
What would you do with the non-whites (notice I did NOT capitalize white) who are residing here legally? Does this fall back to the immediate revocation of their citizenship, thus rendering them immediately "illegal"? Also, where would you ship them to if they don't actually know where their blood is from? Just drop them in the middle of Africa? It's just so impractical, do you not see how ridiculous it is?

Then for the 15 Demands... while I think some items are great, such as #14
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We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible.
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....The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved;The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved;

By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges;

By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation;

By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere;

And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources.
These are good aims, but the rest of the shit in the other points, no fucking way. My mind reels at the idea of how life would look if these people instituted life as they want it. Seriously, Nazi Germany, 1937. But worse.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »
I hope Breatharian weighs in because I am curious to get a glimpse of how a neo-nazi thinks, their psychological make-up. What kind of psychological issues would cause someone to see that kind of world as desirable.

Terror management? Are they...afraid? :notsure:

Overblown feelings of entitlement? Do they feel they are more deserving than other human groups? Does the fact that they are not as special as their mothers told them they are make them throw these "tantrums"?

Self-esteem issues? Superiority complex?

What's going on there?

Fascism seems to be growing in the western world. Here in Brazil where I live it is too, and it isn't pretty.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 07:24:17 PM »
There is a difference between Fascism and Nazism. Fascism, as "invented" by Mussolini in Italy, focuses primarily on the absolute "power" of the State and their "leaders". It wasn't racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it.

Nazism however is the ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Nazism emphasized on racism. While fascism considered state as important, Nazism considered ‘Aryanism’ as more important. The Nazism doctrine believed in the superiority of the Aryan race. While fascism was based on certain political ideology, Nazism was blindly based on racial hatred.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 07:42:09 PM »
I'll tread lightly on this thread, and with our new "member", at least for the sake of hearing their responses to the questions asked of them below.
 
The views I hold and devote to concept of racism and national socialism afford me a brevity of simplicity in my approach to it, basically that I will not personally allow it any quarter.

MLK said it best at a speech he gave at Grosse Point High School here in Detroit in 1968, when he said, "Racism is evil because its ultimate logic is genocide."

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I'm truly sorry, but I can't keep explaining this simple thing to you over and over again hoping that you'll finally understand something so simple and obvious.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 11:33:19 PM »
Pure white blood? How does that work? What if your IQ is above 6, can you still be a member of the nation? Speaking of members, I've got one that any brain dead asshat who thinks like this can kiss!

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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 01:18:02 AM »
Aryan pure is a pipe dream.  Racial purity is damned improbable.  As for white superiority, it has not worked out in such a way.  The people who built the pyramids were not white but they were in an advanced state of technological brilliance.....The Sumerians of 2 or 3 thousand BC were not white and they were quite brilliant as evidenced by their creation of currency exchange, societal laws, agricultural progress.  Incas and Aztecs were pretty clever with their architecture and astronomy. They were not white as we currently apprise whiteness.

We might wonder whether Lucy was white,  except for the frosty skeleton, what color was Iceman?  Neanderthals roamed around Europe and were displaced by Homo Sapiens and we are not too sure about whether they were pure white are we?. Those are our ancestors, like it or not. To equate superiority to skin pigmentation is the epitome of ignorance.

I happen to have a mostly light colored skin but it would neither surprise nor disgrace me to discover that some distant ancestor had dark skin.  Christians will not like the reality that their Jesus was not really a tall handsome white guy with blue eyes and an elegant British accent. He was an Arab if we are to believe the good book. He went on to be one helluva popular dude. His main cheerleader and hustling promoter Paul, was also a guy with dark skin we are to presume.

I think that we have at least one HAF member that we hold in high esteem and I suspect that her skin might not be as pale as mine.  I will damned well defend her because she is a respected peer, smart as a whip, and more creative and responsible than the average white honky.  So to those deranged  people who choose to espouse white supremacy with conviction, I implore you to deliver yourselves from abject ignorance of reality.  Failing that, I have impolite suggestions for you.

P.S. I do hope that I have not gotten myself in trouble with the moderators for being so vituperously outspoken.


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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 04:28:51 AM »
There is a difference between Fascism and Nazism. Fascism, as "invented" by Mussolini in Italy, focuses primarily on the absolute "power" of the State and their "leaders". It wasn't racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it.

Nazism however is the ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Nazism emphasized on racism. While fascism considered state as important, Nazism considered ‘Aryanism’ as more important. The Nazism doctrine believed in the superiority of the Aryan race. While fascism was based on certain political ideology, Nazism was blindly based on racial hatred.

I've heard a lot of people use the two terms interchangeably but I guess you're right, there are ideological differences between the two.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 04:43:05 AM »
Aryan pure is a pipe dream.  Racial purity is damned improbable.  As for white superiority, it has not worked out in such a way.  The people who built the pyramids were not white but they were in an advanced state of technological brilliance.....The Sumerians of 2 or 3 thousand BC were not white and they were quite brilliant as evidenced by their creation of currency exchange, societal laws, agricultural progress.  Incas and Aztecs were pretty clever with their architecture and astronomy. They were not white as we currently apprise whiteness.

:notsure: This got me thinking, if this has to do with white supremacists wanting to appropriate the historical achievements of other white people? I always found it very odd that mediocre nobodys want to affiliate with a certain group because for this reason, to say, "____________ was white and look what they accomplished, I am white as well so some of that prestige rubs off on me too!" 

Our resident nazi said elsewhere that he doesn't have a problem with Asian people...could this be because Asians generally outscore whites in IQ tests? There is one flaw with this hypothesis, because Jews also generally tend to score very high in such tests and they are one group that nazis have a problem with.

 
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 06:37:35 AM »
Well, go back far enough and all of us are African in origin! Were their any white hom. saps at all 200ky ago?
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 06:40:41 AM »
P.S. I do hope that I have not gotten myself in trouble with the moderators for being so vituperously outspoken.
This is funny.  ;D

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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 07:47:03 AM »
Due to a blatant racist comment on another thread Breatharian is no longer a member of HAF.
 
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 12:04:32 PM »
It's just as well. I thought about it all day and all night because it bothered me so  much.
What I ended up thinking is that even in a best case scenario, if Breatharian "changed his/her mind", he/she would still be a horrible person. Because only an asshole could believe these things that a National Socialist believes in.
Belief is a weird thing though. It can take a person who may have otherwise been nice and make them horrible, but they become a puppet to the belief system.

I'm probably over thinking it, to give Breathrian the benefit of the doubt. I tend to do that. It can be really annoying.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 02:10:44 PM »
Due to a blatant racist comment on another thread Breatharian is no longer a member of HAF.

He never even made it to this topic.  :lol:

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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 05:55:54 PM »
I know, which annoys me, I think he just ignored me, because I think he posted elsewhere after I started this. Maybe he just didn't have any good answers.
But now I have learned some things, and I'm glad to know a little more than I did a couple days ago.
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Re: National Socialism
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 06:07:37 PM »
I know, which annoys me, I think he just ignored me, because I think he posted elsewhere after I started this. Maybe he just didn't have any good answers.
But now I have learned some things, and I'm glad to know a little more than I did a couple days ago.

I suspect he realised that to answer your questions would have left him vulnerable to being banned. So he had a little dig elsewhere to gauge the staff's reaction unaware that we had already agreed that for him it was 'one stike and your out' hence the lack of a warning for his first infringment. We're also toying with the idea of a rule modification to deal with this sort of individual. If we do think a rule change is required it will be debated in public before any changes are made.
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