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Who will save the Democratic Party?
« on: November 25, 2017, 09:38:39 PM »
Let's face it. It should be as a surprise to no one that Hillary Clinton lost.

Unlike her husband, Billy boy, Hillary was just plain unlikeable.

She is basically a female version of Nixon: secretive,unethicla, dark, ruthless and (if you can believe what you read!) sort of a potty mouth.

Look at the presidents we like (JFK,Reagen, Bill Clinton, Obama). They are often good looking, and make us think happy inspirational thoughts, about the power of positive thinking, reaching for the stars etc. They remind us of that smart young man we knew in college, our kind wise grandfather, some moneybags preppy boy you used to date but still have fond feelings for etc.

Hillary doesn't remind me of anyone I liked or respected. She is everyones mean grouchy female boss, or shrieky mother in law.

Anyway it goes without saying she lost. Who would want some screechy old battle ax as president, when you could have a washed up casino owner/mobster/ flesh peddling money bags like Trump.

Anyway there is now a Bill and Hillary sized hole in the Democratic party. Who can fill it? Not Elizabeth warren....unless you want Shreiky Screechy Part deux...

Any thoughts?

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 10:06:08 PM »
For once I sgree with uou, Aggie. The Dems have a lot to recover and a new, publicly acceptable, candidate to find.

At the moment it looks as though there is not ine trustable person in either of the main parties. Power politics has been shown as the bottomless shit-pit it really is - in the US and all over the world.
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 10:19:58 PM »
The very fact that Hillary won the popular vote disproves your summation on Hillary, in fact many of us Democrats found her to be most likable, and even more than qualified to be the President.

The surprise, in fact that unimaginable outcome is that someone like Trump could be elected...his win was based on hatred, discrimination and division. Those who voted for him helped put in the highest office in the land, a man who’s been endorsed by members of the KKK, a man who’s demonstrated every trait we’ve been taught to despise since kindergarten...lying, cheating, hatefulness, pettiness, name-calling, selfishness, bigotry, bravado, etc,...and a man who cares about nothing but himself. Basically, the exact opposite of what we’re taught a president should be, let alone a human being.


Let's face it. It should be as a surprise to no one that Hillary Clinton lost.

Unlike her husband, Billy boy, Hillary was just plain unlikeable.

She is basically a female version of Nixon: secretive,unethicla, dark, ruthless and (if you can believe what you read!) sort of a potty mouth.

Look at the presidents we like (JFK,Reagen, Bill Clinton, Obama). They are often good looking, and make us think happy inspirational thoughts, about the power of positive thinking, reaching for the stars etc. They remind us of that smart young man we knew in college, our kind wise grandfather, some moneybags preppy boy you used to date but still have fond feelings for etc.

Hillary doesn't remind me of anyone I liked or respected. She is everyones mean grouchy female boss, or shrieky mother in law.

Anyway it goes without saying she lost. Who would want some screechy old battle ax as president, when you could have a washed up casino owner/mobster/ flesh peddling money bags like Trump.

Anyway there is now a Bill and Hillary sized hole in the Democratic party. Who can fill it? Not Elizabeth warren....unless you want Shreiky Screechy Part deux...

Any thoughts?

Yes, the parts of your OP I hi-lighted in red reflect the deep misogynist attitudes you hold and have demonstrated before on this forum.

My thoughts?

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 12:55:03 AM »
The very fact that Hillary won the popular vote disproves your summation on Hillary, in fact many of us Democrats found her to be most likable, and even more than qualified to be the President.

I would add that Clinton "lost" because of the outmoded Electoral College which, while useful when originally created, devolved into a system that favored slave-owners in the 1800s and Republicans in the 1900s. 

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"Sister" is also a great example of how so many people, particularly women, could have voted for the likes of Trump.
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2017, 01:08:18 AM »
I have noticed that even other women will often have a negative view of a woman who exhibits leadership skills - the same leadership skills they fawn over in a man.

That said, I've worked with my share of supervisors, managers, or upper management types both male and female. Some were competent, some were not. Competence, or lack thereof, had nothing to do with whether they were male or female.
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 01:45:45 AM »

Yes, the parts of your OP I hi-lighted in red reflect the deep misogynist attitudes you hold and have demonstrated before on this forum.

My thoughts?

I don't like you.

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I agree with you, Father.

I'm beginning to think that our "sister" sounds more like a "brother."  :chin:
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2017, 03:26:20 AM »
Let's face it. It should be as a surprise to no one that Hillary Clinton lost.



Anyway there is now a Bill and Hillary sized hole in the Democratic party. Who can fill it? Not Elizabeth warren....unless you want Shreiky Screechy Part deux...

Any thoughts?


Thoughts: I voted for Hillary but she would not have been my most favored choice of candidates. Here's an asessment.  When Hillary takes her morning constitutional, she flushes more intellectual capacity and political acumen down the drain than our duly elected president has or will ever have in his entire body.

You can be assured that there are many individuals on the left side who have education,,sophistication, knowledge of how our government is structured, has some degree of integrity, and a willingness and ability to examine concepts or situations without the interference of religious influence or party partisanship...... I'm thinking of religious  zealot kooks like Roy Moore here.  I would prefer to think in terms of a person who is equipped with more than shit for brains.....Maybe someone like ...Eric Holder, former attorney general, for example. There are thousands of other intelligent men or women who are thoroughly qualified and less divisive than the ones who get the most ink and who mysteriously win the religious contingent of voters by advertising that you are permitted to grab pussies if you are a star.


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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2017, 06:28:58 AM »
I like Franken's chances at this point.
 

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 12:17:51 PM »
Ifdemocrats insist upon a lady candidate...

This might be their best pick!  https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 02:22:43 PM »
Well, if look at what we have now, President "Not Obama" is a little bitch. Hillary is not. President "Not Hillary" can't even stand on his own, he keeps having to fall back on defining himself as not Obama and not Hillary. When is this weak sack of shit going to be strong enough to stand on his own?

But from a religious perspective, wouldn't a religious person be more concerned with saving the Republican party? Or are religions OK with racism, sexism, pedophiles, molesters, liars... etc. They seem to be, but until they start condemning their own, their condemnations of others is meaningless.

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 07:25:54 PM »
I would add that Clinton "lost" because of the outmoded Electoral College which, while useful when originally created, devolved into a system that favored slave-owners in the 1800s and Republicans in the 1900s. 

Former democratic  presidents seem to have won the elections, despite that outmoded Electoral College being in place. Seems to me that Clinton was looking for any excuse to take away the blame from her own poor performance. I think that she was a lousy unpopular candidate and even a worse loser.
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 08:43:46 PM »
I would add that Clinton "lost" because of the outmoded Electoral College which, while useful when originally created, devolved into a system that favored slave-owners in the 1800s and Republicans in the 1900s. 

Former democratic  presidents seem to have won the elections, despite that outmoded Electoral College being in place. Seems to me that Clinton was looking for any excuse to take away the blame from her own poor performance. I think that she was a lousy unpopular candidate and even a worse loser.
She wasn't the first democratic presidential candidate to lose to the college but win the popular vote. Al Gore won the popular vote but still lost to Bush II. I can't think of a single Republican presidential candidate that got the popular vote but lost due to the college.

Despite that, why does your counter point rest on your opinion of Hillary Clinton's character? Why throw out that red herring?

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Seems to me that Clinton was looking for any excuse to take away the blame from her own poor performance.
There are many things that went wrong in that election, not all of it was Hillary's fault nor the fault of her campaign. There is blame to go on Hillary, but there is also plenty of blame to go around.

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I think that she was a lousy unpopular candidate and even a worse loser.
Lousy? Sure, I guess people can have their opinions, but more lousy than president "Not Obama"? That dude is way lousier than Hillary or any other president before.

How can you say she was unpopular when she won the majority of the votes? That doesn't make any sense.

In what way was she a worse loser? She didn't even ask for a recount, she phoned president "Not Hillary" and congratulated him, and she stepped away from public life for a bit. The facts of what happened don't make sense with your assessment.

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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 08:43:59 PM »
I would add that Clinton "lost" because of the outmoded Electoral College which, while useful when originally created, devolved into a system that favored slave-owners in the 1800s and Republicans in the 1900s. 

Former democratic  presidents seem to have won the elections, despite that outmoded Electoral College being in place. Seems to me that Clinton was looking for any excuse to take away the blame from her own poor performance. I think that she was a lousy unpopular candidate and even a worse loser.

I have no issue retrospectively with the Electoral College deciding the winner in this election, but I don't see how you can say she had a "Poor Performance" when she did secure 65,853,516 votes to Trump's 62,984,825 votes, hardly what I would refer to as an "Unpopular Candidate"....I would say Hillary did pretty damn't good.

And why does she have to be quite after loosing the election when past losers continued to speak out afterwards and stayed active not in US Politics (Such a McCain)?



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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2017, 01:52:53 AM »
She wasn't the first democratic presidential candidate to lose to the college but win the popular vote. Al Gore won the popular vote but still lost to Bush II. I can't think of a single Republican presidential candidate that got the popular vote but lost due to the college.

There hasn't been one, I checked.  Every single time the EC has decided an election it's gone to the Republican candidate.
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Re: Who will save the Democratic Party?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2017, 03:07:28 AM »
The Electoral College is skewed in favor of Republican candidates due to the over-representation of states that are reliably Republican even though it was not ever intended to operate that way.

In answer to the title question, I think the Democratic party could do worse than Jeff Merkley. I hope that the "New Democrat"/Democratic Leadership Council schtick loses out.

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Almost no one knows who he is, but there may be a spot for Jeff Merkley on the left flank of the 2020 Democratic primary—and he wouldn’t rule out running even if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are running.

He’s already beaten Warren to Iowa, and he spent more time in Des Moines this month than Sanders has since last year’s caucuses.

A senator from Oregon for nearly nine years, Merkley is probably best known for being the only colleague of Sanders to endorse the Vermont senator last year. Most people could walk by him on the street, or even on the Senate subway, and not know who he is—a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll this week showed that 73 percent of Americans had never heard his name.

He has no campaign staff, and has raised no money. But he seems to be hoping that the credibility he has with progressive activists and the wild new world of lefty politics will change all that. So he’s starting early, even if the odds don’t look great right now.

He has a certain philosophy of life, Merkley said.

“If I believe that something matters, I’ll throw myself into it, and I’m OK losing. But when you throw yourself in with that attitude, and you’re all about teamwork, sometimes you win,” Merkley told me for the latest episode of POLITICO’s Off Message podcast, recounting a career that’s already taken him through a surprise election as a state representative in Oregon to being picked as speaker of the Statehouse to beating a popular incumbent to get to the Senate in 2008. “I’m willing to take on battles that I feel are important.”

Of course, if he does run, first he’ll have to figure out how to become known as something more than that-guy-you’re-vaguely-aware-of-who-endorsed-Bernie.

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