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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2017, 02:12:33 PM »
That's like most philosophers. Sorry, I don't like most philosophers.

We're all philosophers.
In the same way we're all mathematicians because we've done or do a bit of math, and doctors because we apply band aids, and athletes because we've done some jogging in our life...

In other words, only to the point that the word "philosopher" is meaningless.

It's that we all live in a world that we never chose to.
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2017, 02:35:37 PM »
That's like most philosophers. Sorry, I don't like most philosophers.

We're all philosophers.

So does that mean Davin doesn't like any of us?....me sad. :'(


I'm truly sorry, but I can't keep explaining this simple thing to you over and over again hoping that you'll finally understand something so simple and obvious.
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2017, 03:00:01 PM »
That's like most philosophers. Sorry, I don't like most philosophers.

We're all philosophers.
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So does that mean Davin doesn't like any of us?....me sad. :'(
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No, just most of us,
why can't you pay attention?
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2017, 03:24:36 PM »
That's like most philosophers. Sorry, I don't like most philosophers.

We're all philosophers.

So does that mean Davin doesn't like any of us?....me sad. :'(



I like a bunches of people. I'm just not good at showing it.


I don't think that everyone is a philosopher.

I cook dinner several times a week, I don't call myself a chef.
I fix some things on my car, but that doesn't make me a mechanic.
I brush my teeth but I'm not a dentist.

In the same way, while we all navel gaze, we are not all philosophers. Unless one wants to make the term meaningless.


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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2017, 04:00:23 PM »

In the same way, while we all navel gaze, we are not all philosophers. Unless one wants to make the term meaningless.

That's your conclusion.
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2017, 08:03:28 PM »

In the same way, while we all navel gaze, we are not all philosophers. Unless one wants to make the term meaningless.

That's your conclusion.
What other conclusion is there when you spread a descriptor so far that it describes everybody?

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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2017, 09:03:07 PM »

So does that mean Davin doesn't like any of us?....me sad. :'(


No, just most of us,
why can't you pay attention?


Ah, now I get it.

He doesn't like most of us, but some or a few of us he does like...I bet he likes me if I say I agree with him regarding this discussion you two are having?

Like Davin I think you are possibly committing the fallacy of hasty generalization with this one...sorta like calling me a "liar" because I may have lied in my life, once or twice (3-4 times tops)
Or calling me a thief just because I took a cookie out of my co-workers desk...Ray Comfort does this a lot.

Not saying you are Ray Comfort, or even Comfort like.

Ayn Rand wrote in "Philosophy: Who Needs It"

“Your only choice is whether you define your philosophy by a conscious, rational, disciplined process of thought and scrupulously logical deliberation — or let your subconscious accumulate a junk heap of unwarranted conclusions, false generalizations, undefined contradictions, undigested slogans, unidentified wishes, doubts and fears, thrown together by chance, but integrated by your subconscious into a kind of mongrel philosophy and fused into a single, solid weight: self-doubt.

Basically she was adding what kind of world we live in, and how do we separate knowledge from error or what is good and what is evil?

In her view, we cannot avoid having, and acting on, some answer to these questions.

Shit, forgot where I was going with this.

I think Ayn was saying we are all not philosophers, but that philosophy itself defines how we live our lives.



I'm truly sorry, but I can't keep explaining this simple thing to you over and over again hoping that you'll finally understand something so simple and obvious.
I'm not the "Dumb-Ass Whisperer".

I really, really hate anti-semantics.

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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2017, 11:33:19 AM »

In the same way, while we all navel gaze, we are not all philosophers. Unless one wants to make the term meaningless.

That's your conclusion.
What other conclusion is there when you spread a descriptor so far that it describes everybody?

I find the practice of a few declaring themselves big heads, or philosophers if you prefer a bit suspect.
I'll think of philosophy as thinking about life.
We all think about life, well some more than others.
So much of what the big heads say is obvious
that's because our culture has inherited it as result of their brainy toil
Maybe.
Is it a thing that the not quite right in head are interested in psychology, or is that just me?
Is it that those that don't intuitively get it get into philosophy?
Anyway I'm not conceding them the high ground.
There's far too much looking down going around.
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2017, 12:18:14 PM »

So does that mean Davin doesn't like any of us?....me sad. :'(
No, just most of us,
why can't you pay attention?


Ah, now I get it.

He doesn't like most of us, but some or a few of us he does like...I bet he likes me if I say I agree with him regarding this discussion you two are having?
You are using the word “discussion” recklessly but I’ll let it pass, I’m no pedant.
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Ayn Rand wrote in "Philosophy: Who Needs It"
I’m not going to read Ayn Rand Bruno, I’ve heard she’s creepy crazy elitist.
I’m reading Steven Erikson and I blame you for that.
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Re: HAf Book Club: What Nietzsche Really Said discussion
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 03:54:07 AM »
Well, I have to say that if nothing else Nietzsche has caused not only the longest but the most interesting discussion the book club has had so far.  So thanks to him for that!

Something of a funny co-incidence: all this philosophy talk has goaded me to finally finish reading William James' "Pragmatism", a series of lectures he gave at the Lowell Institute.  So I went looking for the last page with any highlighting and found that the next page started this way:

"Men who are strongly of the fact-loving temperament, you may remember me to have said, are liable to be kept at a distance by the small sympathy with facts which that philosophy from the present-day fashion of idealism offers them."
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