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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2017, 02:28:03 PM »
How about a real world proof...

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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2017, 02:43:03 PM »
Here is the response

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If 0 +0=0 ,

Then

There is no possibility for life to exist without a cause,

Hence the equation 0 +0=1 is false ,

But what is the correct view? The correct is:

For anything to exist there must be a cause which is distinct from it, So, If There is a Cause of The Universe Then It Must Be One Which is What we Muslim Call The Oneness of Allah S.W.T. 1=1"

Thoughts appreciated.
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 02:59:37 PM »
He's making a huge jump in logic there. Who is to say that 1 in the equation is Allah and not some other scientific force? 

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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2017, 03:06:11 PM »
From what I see, this guy is trying to push 0+0=1 when the real equation is more like -1+1=0

He's also said that 1=1 in terms of the origin of anything. So I'd ask if he thinks things just go back infinitely? That's an extraordinary claim that I think would need to be supported by evidence.

Also, I don't think anyone is saying life made itself in the scientific community. He's just making up straw man arguments so he can control the opinion of others. The general consensus seems to be of the origin of life is "life happened, let's find out how" Also, If he's saying that 1=1 then I would think that means life makes life right? Isn't that what he said that was so dumb?

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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 03:07:09 PM »
Here is the response

 "Los! Lies Exposed!😂

If 0 +0=0 ,

Then

There is no possibility for life to exist without a cause,

Hence the equation 0 +0=1 is false ,

But what is the correct view? The correct is:

For anything to exist there must be a cause which is distinct from it, So, If There is a Cause of The Universe Then It Must Be One Which is What we Muslim Call The Oneness of Allah S.W.T. 1=1"

Thoughts appreciated.

Er, out of context that makes no sense. I assume this is your opponent's response to the "proofs"? Is he saying "0+0=1" is only false if there is no causal agency but he believes it to be true because he believes there is a causal agency? I assume he is not 100% competent in the structure of basic English usage!

Nor in logic but that is a given considering his beliefs...
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2017, 04:35:16 PM »
Here is the response

 "Los! Lies Exposed!😂

If 0 +0=0 ,

Then

There is no possibility for life to exist without a cause,

Hence the equation 0 +0=1 is false ,

But what is the correct view? The correct is:

For anything to exist there must be a cause which is distinct from it, So, If There is a Cause of The Universe Then It Must Be One Which is What we Muslim Call The Oneness of Allah S.W.T. 1=1"

Thoughts appreciated.

Er, out of context that makes no sense. I assume this is your opponent's response to the "proofs"? Is he saying "0+0=1" is only false if there is no causal agency but he believes it to be true because he believes there is a causal agency? I assume he is not 100% competent in the structure of basic English usage!

Nor in logic but that is a given considering his beliefs...
He started off by saying muslims contribute to science world wide. Then he continues by saying athiests make the argument 0+0=1 and muslims say 1=1 and asks which do you choose. He then expands the argument to the origin of the universe then tobthe origin of life. What tank showed was from his argument for the origin of life being Allah.

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 04:57:06 PM »
^

Ah, I thought that Tank's opponent was arguing 0+0=1 from the OP since Tank asked for a proof that the sum was false.

The Muslims inherited most of their science from the Indians and the Greeks but they did advance it. As did Europe once the stopped fighting between themsekves. But their record is spotty, they destroyed as much "non-Islamic" science as they developed - like the burning of the library at Akexandria and, today, the destruction of ancient texts in the world's first university, in Timbuktu, because they are "haram".

All is measured against the Q'ran. Not a very scientific outlook. So they go from the top to the bottom of the scale.
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 05:46:08 PM »
The numbers don't make sense like this.

Let's say that 1 = fire.
The things that make fire, are not fire so they are all zero. So:

fuel = 0
Oxygen = 0
Heat = 0

So: 0 + 0 + 0 = 1 is true. As can be easily demonstrated with a match or a lighter.

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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 05:53:54 PM »
The numbers don't make sense like this.

Let's say that 1 = fire.
The things that make fire, are not fire so they are all zero. So:

fuel = 0
Oxygen = 0
Heat = 0

So: 0 + 0 + 0 = 1 is true. As can be easily demonstrated with a match or a lighter.

That looks just like a programmer's solution, where a character has whatever value, meaning or significance he or she wants it to have!

I would thing that in maths any character other than a number can have a contextual value/meaning/signifucance but never seen a case ehere a number is other than a numerical value.
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 05:58:21 PM »
The numbers don't make sense like this.

Let's say that 1 = fire.
The things that make fire, are not fire so they are all zero. So:

fuel = 0
Oxygen = 0
Heat = 0

So: 0 + 0 + 0 = 1 is true. As can be easily demonstrated with a match or a lighter.

That looks just like a programmer's solution, where a character has whatever value, meaning or significance he or she wants it to have!

Well, that's what that person is doing. They set life = 1 or 1 = life, then try to add not life to make up life. so I just wanted to demonstrate the flaw in that method in a way that easily shows it to be quite silly.

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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2017, 05:58:33 PM »
His implication is that there has to be a first cause and therefore nothing + nothing can't equal something so QED Allah! He's reduced his defence to simply laughing. I don't think he's used to pig headed bastards like me.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2017, 06:00:15 PM »
His implication is that there has to be a first cause and therefore nothing + nothing can't equal something so QED Allah! He's reduced his defence to simply laughing. I don't think he's used to pig headed bastards like me.

But, but ...

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2017, 06:16:06 PM »
His implication is that there has to be a first cause and therefore nothing + nothing can't equal something so QED Allah! He's reduced his defence to simply laughing. I don't think he's used to pig headed bastards like me.

But, but ...

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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2017, 09:21:10 PM »
He's making a huge jump in logic there. Who is to say that 1 in the equation is Allah and not some other scientific force?

My thoughts exactly, if there is a first cause, then why would it be Allah?

I like Joe's proof - concrete and simple enough for the simple minded to grasp. I think, Tank, that you could tell him that if 0 means "not getting punched in the face" and 1, "getting punched in the face", how on earth would he get a broken nose if no one (not the member, mind, you) punched him in the face?

Joking aside, I wouldn't stress myself out with nutjobs like that. They're just not worth the heightened blood pressure.
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2017, 11:38:57 PM »
The Nigerian money unit is the Naira.  Ask your opponent to take 0 Nairas and add that to 0 Nairas, and see if he ever gets anything other than 0 Nairas.  That should keep him occupied for a while.
Maybe he could go to one of the poor Muslims in Nigeria and see if the poor person can add 0 to 0 and ever come up with anything but 0. If he can, he's a financial genius.