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Serious help needed.
« on: June 16, 2017, 09:15:49 AM »
I've locked horns with a serious Islamic nutter on FB (I know I shouldn't).

I need a mathematical proof demonstrating that 0+0=1 is not true.

Any help on doing this properly would be appreciated.
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 09:34:31 AM »
Ooer, can't find anything on that, Tank. Lots on why 1 does not equal 0, 0÷0 does not equal 1 and the value of 0^0.

Not enough of a mathematician to bend any of those to the shape you need.

What is the context?
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Re: Serious help needed.
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 09:59:31 AM »
What about:

0 + a = a for any number a
Let a = 0
therefore 0 + 0 = 0

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2017, 10:13:16 AM »
What about:

0 + a = a for any number a
Let a = 0
therefore 0 + 0 = 0

Also solve for a=1 for comparison?
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 10:46:20 AM »
What about:

0 + a = a for any number a
Let a = 0
therefore 0 + 0 = 0

Also solve for a=1 for comparison?

Yes, I assumed Tank would build a response on this and expand with some examples. However, I suspect he is arguing with a fanatic with a closed mind and logic is not going to convince that person.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 10:49:45 AM »
Would be intrigued to read the argument and how on earth you got to this stage!

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2017, 10:56:52 AM »
Whatever you do, don't tell him about Gödel. He will use that as "evidence" that our number theory is flawed!

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 11:39:33 AM »
Whatever you do, don't tell him about Gödel. He will use that as "evidence" that our number theory is flawed!

Nor about some of Karl Popper's ideas or possible alternative universes with weird geometries...
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 12:53:32 PM »
Thank you all :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 12:55:38 PM »
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 01:09:34 PM »
What about:

0 + a = a for any number a
Let a = 0
therefore 0 + 0 = 0

Also solve for a=1 for comparison?

Yes, I assumed Tank would build a response on this and expand with some examples. However, I suspect he is arguing with a fanatic with a closed mind and logic is not going to convince that person.

He's a Nigerian civil servant. No wonder Nigeria is fucked!
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2017, 01:12:58 PM »
This is a case of speaking to the silent audience. We all know there are silent atheists in many theistic communities. They are who I am aiming at. This chap sets himself up as an authority figure and needs to be taken down a peg or two. He's a science denying anti-evolution Muslim. He thinks 'Science is an assumption.'
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2017, 01:19:24 PM »
This is a case of speaking to the silent audience. We all know there are silent atheists in many theistic communities. They are who I am aiming at.

I think that is a good motive and if this interchange just pushed one doubter in the right direction, it would be worthwhile. I applaud your willingness to do this. I am usually too apathetic to argue with someone I think is a lost cause.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2017, 01:48:26 PM »
Not being on FB I can only see three comments.

Which Muhhama/ed is your opponent? In what I see some seem to favour science at least a little.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »
I could be mistaken, but I don't think that's a simple one to prove Chris. There's a lot of background going into something that seems so simple.
 

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