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Title: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 12, 2008, 03:34:53 PM
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From Wikipedia | "Troll (Internet)" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet))

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

* * *

There has been a recent surge in trolling, so I thought I would take the liberty to throw together a little primer on how to spot a troll, and how to best deal with one once you've caught one.  I will refer to the troll as it, rather than he or she, to keep from humanizing such a monster. Google. If you return basically anything, you've got a copypasta troll. If you don't return anything, try with another phrase. Look for discrepancies in writing style from one paragraph to another, things like capitalization and punctuation usage. If it fluctuates frequently, it's a pretty good give away.

Refusal to answer questions or continue a dialogue is a red flag, as well. Sometimes trolls can have the appearance of looking for an honest dialogue, but simply dangle the carrot and wait for a bite. If you question the author's motivation at all, your intuition is normally going to be right.


Combating trolling:
The best method of combating trolls is simply to not feed the trolls. That is, trolling behavior is normally a one-time shot, as 90% of the trolls you will encounter are simply spammers or basic trolls. By ignoring the post, it will fall to the bottom of the New or Active post lists, and we can all go about our day without the interruption.

If you do want to feed the troll, make it clear in your first response that you know there is trolling going on, but you want to "play" anyway. Sometimes it can be a good exercise for a number of reasons: boredom, venting or formulating responses to honest concerns raised by non-trolls on the same topic.

If you've seen any of my troll responses, you'll see that I like to just hijack the thread. I normally do this with a post and a picture about shampoo. Why shampoo? Why not?
Here are a couple macros to use if you run across a troll, as well as a link to the image file you can simply copy and paste, if you like.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img688/2748/dontfeedthetrolln.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/a/img688/2748/dontfeedthetrolln.jpg


(http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/+_197783adabe38e19e692a5d2d8705038.jpg)
http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/+_197783adabe38e19e692a5d2d8705038.jpg


And, finally, my shampoo hijack image.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/14j3l9k.gif)
http://i45.tinypic.com/14j3l9k.gif


I hope this was helpful. Here's a recap:


Edited: June 17, 2010. Added "most common trolling behaviors seen at HAF" in light of recent trolling attempts.

(Edited to remove formatting issues arising from forum software changes, and to add the Wikipedia link and definition. -- Recusant)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: karadan on December 12, 2008, 03:40:51 PM
I'm not very up-to-date with my internet language so i've always been a little afraid to ask 'what is a troll?'

Many thanks for the clarification. This thread should be a sticky :)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on December 12, 2008, 03:54:32 PM
Hoping I did the "sticky" correctly. I still suck at php forums controls.

Great post and topic, Curio! Thanks!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 12, 2008, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: "McQ"
Hoping I did the "sticky" correctly. I still suck at php forums controls.

Great post and topic, Curio! Thanks!

Methinks the sticky worked.  :hail:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 12, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
Ok.

I knew what trolls were, but I didn't really know how to deal with thim. thanks curio. ;)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 12, 2008, 04:24:38 PM
Being as old as I am (only exceeded by my extreme coolness  :devil:) I've long known what trolls are though spotting them is not so easy as I have a tendency to flash-read which usually mean I only get a basic overview of some posts but what really gets me is the number of people who think that just because you disagree with them, particularly if you persist on a given line of debate because you don't think the points raised against yours is good enough, that you're a troll. Worse they will continue to call you one even when you point out what a troll is!

Kyu
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: BadPoison on December 12, 2008, 07:23:11 PM
For the troll, trolling can be quite humorous and fun. However, my personal trolling experience was always confined to places where people take a topic that is otherwise unimportant and redefine it as seriousbuizness (more internet slang) - such as most sites in the video game community (the World of Warcraft forum is a perfect example). I think Happy Atheist Forum is far above the immaturity of such shenanigans.

Response to a troll:

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u don't know wut the fuk ur talking about. i would beat ur ass any day of the week irl. i have sex with my pornstar girlfriend and u wouldn't even know what do with her.  because I'm a real man and ur nothing but a fake man. U hav no dik. i will kill u. i swear i will and if u think i wont just wait and see its over and ur mom sux too. she had sex with a dog that probaby had aids and now ur here. stupid piece of hsit. i rest my case. dum internet nerdz not knowing what a clit is.


Isn't the internet great?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 13, 2008, 02:10:09 AM
Laughing. My. Ass off.

 :hail:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on December 13, 2008, 02:37:07 AM
Thanks Curio.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Doubting Thomas29 on December 16, 2008, 05:06:26 AM
Trolls are really annoying!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 16, 2008, 05:11:05 AM
Quote from: "Doubting Thomas29"
Trolls are really annoying!

You don't say...
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: BadPoison on December 16, 2008, 06:24:20 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "Doubting Thomas29"
Trolls are really annoying!

You don't say...
I doubt it!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 16, 2008, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: "Doubting Thomas29"
Trolls are really annoying!

Berserkers (my term) can be worse ... at least a troll, if done really well, can almost be a work of art.

Kyu
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 18, 2008, 01:58:43 AM
(http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:Ha5i9apx-HIsWM:http://www.simones-)

Some trolls are cute.  :blush:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Doubting Thomas29 on December 18, 2008, 04:40:16 AM
Some trolls are cute like Latusthaeos!  Just kidding about you being a troll Latesatheos! roflol
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: karadan on December 18, 2008, 09:18:32 AM
My guess is, we've seen the last of messenger. Dunno about you guys, but his 'message' changed me. I can now feel god in my loins.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: "karadan"
I can now feel god in my loins.
Don't mistake the fantastic for the supernatural!

 :banna:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Kylyssa on December 18, 2008, 05:58:07 PM
Another good way to spot a troll is that it doesn't answer certain questions, it cherry picks them just as Fundies cherry pick the Bible.  Any question which highlights the troll nature or stupidity of its claims will be ignored as if it didn't exist.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on December 19, 2008, 11:42:25 AM
There will always be trolls AND there will always be troll-feeders. A good thread though, Cat.  :hail:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Kylyssa on December 20, 2008, 06:13:22 PM
Trolls are like heroin.  Some people can't resist playing with them even though they KNOW that.  I must be a troll addict.  Where is there a good troll rehab facility where we can kick the T?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on December 20, 2008, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"
Trolls are like heroin.  Some people can't resist playing with them even though they KNOW that.  I must be a troll addict.  Where is there a good troll rehab facility where we can kick the T?

It takes every bit of self-control I have to keep from playing with them. That, and if I set a naughty example, the boss will take away my magic powers.  :D

Perhaps this would be a support group for us? TTA (Troll Teasers Anonymous).
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: spartacus on January 02, 2009, 08:01:55 PM
trolling spells the death knell for those who prefer to play devils advocate
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on January 02, 2009, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: "spartacus"
trolling spells the death knell for those who prefer to play devils advocate

Someone who is playing the devil's advocate intelligently wouldn't be singled out as a troll   ;)

However, rule 1 has been interpreted in the past to include not presenting yourself as something you are not to the forum.  Which directly excludes having an account just to play devil's advocate.  Those that want to discuss that way can just do so; like I have occasionally in the past.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: G.ENIGMA on January 17, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Well now I know the difference between a troll and spammer ... Until now I thought that they were both the same  :blink: ) have something to promote but I thought that they both just entered a forum, promoted a bad link off topic and left like a vulture  :beer: ...

Now I know the difference

One's an annoying little sh**te who like to leave trouble in his wake :brick:

Thanks for the info  :lol:

Love the smilies by the way, I couldnt resist using them.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Benoît Bôls on February 15, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
Trolls are your best entertainment value! Whenever we get one on my forum, we have all kinds of fun with it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Evil%20Smilies/70ad4204.gif)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: liveyoungdiefast on March 15, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
I've moderated and administrated heavy traffic forums. Troll slaying is a specialty of mine and I take great pride in it.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Kodanshi on March 16, 2009, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: "liveyoungdiefast"
I've moderated and administrated heavy traffic forums. Troll slaying is a specialty of mine and I take great pride in it.
(http://www.swordandsorcery.org/images/trollslayer.jpg)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: maestroanth on April 03, 2009, 05:39:51 AM
is warhammer fun?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: BadPoison on April 03, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: "maestroanth"
is warhammer fun?
Bleh
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Recusant on April 13, 2009, 11:57:53 PM
I think it's worth while to append two references to this very useful and entertaining thread.  They are both rather old, and more oriented to the world of usenet, but I think still quite applicable, not to mention fun reading, especially the second.

1) Trolling Lore (http://fravia.com/trolls.htm) is a very good overview of the subject, and food for thought, as an explanation of certain phenomena one sees on forums on 'teh interwebs.'

2) Linked from the previous page is the roster of types of Flame Warriors (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm), which is a very amusing menagerie, indeed.  I recognize aspects of myself in some of these critters.   :P

Probably many of you have seen both of them previously, but I'm posting this for the rest of y'all.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ihateyoumike on April 14, 2009, 01:11:08 AM
Quote from: "Recusant"
I think it's worth while to append two references to this very useful and entertaining thread.  They are both rather old, and more oriented to the world of usenet, but I think still quite applicable, not to mention fun reading, especially the second.

1) Trolling Lore (http://fravia.com/trolls.htm) is a very good overview of the subject, and food for thought, as an explanation of certain phenomena one sees on forums on 'teh interwebs.'

2) Linked from the previous page is the roster of  types of Flame Warriors (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm), which is a very amusing menagerie, indeed.  I recognize aspects of myself in some of these critters.  :D

That is a very entertaining and informative list. Like you, I too recognized aspects of those "warriors" in my own forum experience. I also noticed that some of the worst offenders on that list seem to be double true on this particular forum. Luckily for us the moderators here do a fine job of weeding those people out.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Nulono on June 12, 2009, 03:10:29 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
[li]Ignoring them makes them go away.[/list]
ORLY?

I hereby vow to spam this board with furry porn on the first of every month at exactly midnight Eastern Daylight Time.

Myth busted!

J/K LOL.

Or am I...? ;)  :satan:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ninteen45 on July 04, 2009, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: "Nulono"
furry porn
Furry porn?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 04, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
Quote from: "Ninteen45"
Furry porn?

:verysad:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ninteen45 on July 04, 2009, 05:38:38 PM
I actually know what that stuff is, I was just trying to be funny, Curio.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ayreon on July 19, 2009, 01:52:21 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "Ninteen45"
Furry porn?

:verysad:


Different strokes, for different folks
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Athiest33 on August 06, 2009, 01:47:07 AM
(http://images39.fotki.com/v1232/photos/8/892548/6116196/1216184739910-vi.gif)

I had to. I just had to.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on August 09, 2009, 05:22:27 PM
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/taylorbell_photo/boxxy-trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on August 09, 2009, 06:45:36 PM
(http://images51.fotki.com/v1549/photos/8/892548/6116196/1244781032995-vi.gif)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on August 09, 2009, 07:02:26 PM
I love boxxy.....I want her to troll me....
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ninteen45 on August 12, 2009, 07:16:15 PM
Marry me.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: skurry on August 12, 2009, 09:19:52 PM
I just read the history of Boxxy, I can't believe I missed that one. 4Chan can be psychotic at times... almost as cracked out as Boxxy
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on August 14, 2009, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: "skurry"
I just read the history of Boxxy, I can't believe I missed that one. 4Chan can be psychotic at times... almost as cracked out as Boxxy

4chan is always crazy, that's what makes it so much fun.

Boxxy rules. I'd give anything just to talk to her.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on August 14, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "skurry"
I just read the history of Boxxy, I can't believe I missed that one. 4Chan can be psychotic at times... almost as cracked out as Boxxy

4chan is always crazy, that's what makes it so much fun.

Boxxy rules. I'd give anything just to talk to her.

Just for anyone who doesn't know:

[youtube:3ad2x6hk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yavx9yxTrsw[/youtube:3ad2x6hk]

I personally think she's like a car wreck, but, hey, whatever, man.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: skurry on August 14, 2009, 08:43:39 PM
As a newcomer, are there always this many trolls, or is this just a heavy week (or a light one)?

Congrats curio on 2300 posts!  :beer:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on August 14, 2009, 09:23:07 PM
Quote from: "skurry"
As a newcomer, are there always this many trolls, or is this just a heavy week (or a light one)
It goes in waves: long droughts, followed by very, very fertile seasons.

Quote
Congrats curio on 2300 posts!  :beer:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Typist on February 15, 2010, 02:43:02 AM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"
but what really gets me is the number of people who think that just because you disagree with them, particularly if you persist on a given line of debate because you don't think the points raised against yours is good enough, that you're a troll.

Sad but true.  

Imho, the word troll, like the word spam, has been reduced to near worthlessness.   Both words now seem to mean just about anything somebody doesn't like.    

When I hear the word troll, what usually comes to my mind is somebody who really wants to win an intellectual debate, but can't figure out how, so they change the subject to the poster they are debating.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 22, 2010, 07:47:30 PM
Is OP an admin? I have no idea how to tell. If so, it's clear that you visit a certain imageboard quite often. Supposing this board as a whole is to promote awareness of morality in the atheist community, how do you reconcile your views with the "Internet Hate Machine"? I'm assuming that your answer will be something along the lines of "I browse that imageboard solely for entertainment, and the immorality seen on this imageboard is mostly trolling anyways."

If so, your lecture against trolling is hypocritical, don't you think? Because even if you solely lurk the Internet Hate Machine, you are a troll in some form. Or perhaps you differentiate your Anonymous identity from your true identity?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on March 22, 2010, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Is OP an admin? I have no idea how to tell. If so, it's clear that you visit a certain imageboard quite often. Supposing this board as a whole is to promote awareness of morality in the atheist community, how do you reconcile your views with the "Internet Hate Machine"? I'm assuming that your answer will be something along the lines of "I browse that imageboard solely for entertainment, and the immorality seen on this imageboard is mostly trolling anyways."

If so, your lecture against trolling is hypocritical, don't you think? Because even if you solely lurk the Internet Hate Machine, you are a troll in some form. Or perhaps you differentiate your Anonymous identity from your true identity?

Wait, what?   :hmm:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: elliebean on March 22, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
....even if you solely lurk the Internet Hate Machine, you are a troll in some form.

What form would that be?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 22, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: "pinkocommie"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Is OP an admin? I have no idea how to tell. If so, it's clear that you visit a certain imageboard quite often. Supposing this board as a whole is to promote awareness of morality in the atheist community, how do you reconcile your views with the "Internet Hate Machine"? I'm assuming that your answer will be something along the lines of "I browse that imageboard solely for entertainment, and the immorality seen on this imageboard is mostly trolling anyways."

If so, your lecture against trolling is hypocritical, don't you think? Because even if you solely lurk the Internet Hate Machine, you are a troll in some form. Or perhaps you differentiate your Anonymous identity from your true identity?

Wait, what?   :hmm:

If you don't get it, don't worry about it. It's chanspeak, coded for a reason.

Quote from: "elliebean"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
....even if you solely lurk the Internet Hate Machine, you are a troll in some form.

What form would that be?

If someone is a huge MMA fan, but never actually fights, wouldn't it be safe to assume that said person has entertained the idea, possibly in daydreams, of participating in a fight? I would call that person a fighter in some form. What if they then went on a forum one day and posted that they thought MMA was inhumane and brutal? OP is doing just that. Is that not hypocritical?

And I would hope that if the OP is a mod or admin that he would not ban me on my obviously well-thought out response to his post. I would hope.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ellainix on March 22, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Is OP an admin? I have no idea how to tell. If so, it's clear that you visit a certain imageboard quite often.

No, it is not clear that OP visits a certain imageboard quite often. Quit trolling.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on March 22, 2010, 08:38:36 PM
Oh, I'm well aware of 'chan speak', I just don't understand why someone who is obviously unaware of how a specific forum operates or even who the mods of a forum are would choose to make their first post a 'calling out' post.  Claiming curio is a troll/hypocrite because his OP contains pictures that, though they may have originated on 4chan, anyone can find via google image search, posted on just about every forum out there, etc makes absolutely no sense to me.  You're making assumptions as if you've been lurking the board long enough to be in a position to make them, yet you don't know how to differentiate between a mod and a member - it's confusing.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: elliebean on March 22, 2010, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
If someone is a huge MMA fan, but never actually fights, wouldn't it be safe to assume that said person has entertained the idea, possibly in daydreams, of participating in a fight?

Only if you feel safe making incorrect assumptions.
Quote
I would call that person a fighter in some form.

Then get a grip on reality.
Quote
What if they then went on a forum one day and posted that they thought MMA was inhumane and brutal? OP is doing just that. Is that not hypocritical?

Your analogy fails. Setting aside the huge gap in severity required to call it hypocrisy, the OP does the equivalent of calling MMA a form of fighting and making suggestions in how to engage such a fighter when confronted by one. A lesson in self-defense, if anything.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on March 22, 2010, 08:42:42 PM
This must be a pop quiz by curio to see if we were paying attention - a troll in the troll thread!  You clever monkey, you!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on March 22, 2010, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: "Ellainix"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Is OP an admin? I have no idea how to tell. If so, it's clear that you visit a certain imageboard quite often.

No, it is not clear that OP visits a certain imageboard quite often. Quit trolling.

 Google's image search simply by looking up "message board troll". The fact that they may have originated on 4chan (though, even that would probably be a point of contention) means nothing. They are simply part of internet (pseudo-)popular culture.

Quote from: "rizzyref"
If someone is a huge MMA fan, but never actually fights, wouldn't it be safe to assume that said person has entertained the idea, possibly in daydreams, of participating in a fight? I would call that person a fighter in some form. What if they then went on a forum one day and posted that they thought MMA was inhumane and brutal? OP is doing just that. Is that not hypocritical?

And I would hope that if the OP is a mod or admin that he would not ban me on my obviously well-thought out response to his post. I would hope.

I wouldn't ban you even if I had the power to do so. You've done nothing ban-worthy.  ;)

Quote from: "pinkocommie"
This must be a pop quiz by curio to see if we were paying attention - a troll in the troll thread!  You clever monkey, you!
Benefit of the doubt! rizzy started off speaking the speak, so at least it's not copypasta. And quit making my arguments before I have time to make them!  :D
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on March 22, 2010, 09:21:27 PM
rizzyref, I am an admin (see, it says admin under my name, Curios doesn't say admin or mod...not that he wouldn't be good at it; we just don't need more mods right now) of this forum and I don't appreciate you coming here and throwing around unfounded insults at the membership.  If you continue to push this issue without supporting your claims I'll consider you to be purposely uncivil.

I think that you should familiarize yourself with the rules if you haven't already.  viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 24, 2010, 03:18:57 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
rizzyref, I am an admin (see, it says admin under my name, Curios doesn't say admin or mod...not that he wouldn't be good at it; we just don't need more mods right now) of this forum and I don't appreciate you coming here and throwing around unfounded insults at the membership.  If you continue to push this issue without supporting your claims I'll consider you to be purposely uncivil.

I think that you should familiarize yourself with the rules if you haven't already.  viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522)

I don't mean to be rude, I was pointing at a funny coincidence imo. Which part of the rules am I violating? So much for "happy".

To the rest of you, point taken, it was a weak analogy. And although when posting I realized it could come off as trolling, it really wasn't my intention.

And to curiosityandthecat, I assumed that you were a 4chan user because, although the image macros may be popular when it comes to internet culture, the origin of those macros is clearly 4chan. And I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you were solely a "lurker" on 4chan, which we both know are the minority of users. I don't want to assume anything, so I'll ask you. Are you a 4chan user, and if so do you solely lurk or do you participate? And do you find this to conflict with your morals?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on March 24, 2010, 03:35:31 AM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
So much for "happy".

What exactly do you think "happy" means?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on March 24, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Are you a 4chan user, and if so do you solely lurk or do you participate? And do you find this to conflict with your morals?

strike 1....
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 24, 2010, 03:48:29 AM
Quote from: "pinkocommie"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
So much for "happy".

What exactly do you think "happy" means?

Well I know what it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean overly hostile for no particular reason.

Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Are you a 4chan user, and if so do you solely lurk or do you participate? And do you find this to conflict with your morals?

strike 1....

Wait... what? I'm merely asking a question.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on March 24, 2010, 03:55:06 AM
Apparently you don't know how to read....I suggest you go back and read curio and my responses and drop the 4chan crap.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 24, 2010, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Apparently you don't know how to read....I suggest you go back and read curio and my responses and drop the 4chan crap.

You threatened to ban me because I was being "uncivil". 4chan has nothing to do with being "uncivil". But if you want me to drop the subject completely, I guess I have to. Really, you aren't being very clear at all.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on March 24, 2010, 04:13:29 AM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Apparently you don't know how to read....I suggest you go back and read curio and my responses and drop the 4chan crap.

You threatened to ban me because I was being "uncivil". 4chan has nothing to do with being "uncivil". But if you want me to drop the subject completely, I guess I have to. Really, you aren't being very clear at all.

that's because you are reading into what I said....I don't feel a need to explain it to you; maybe someone else will.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on March 24, 2010, 04:24:19 AM
I'd explain it, except I'm a meany mean face who is overly hostile for no particular reason.   :|
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 24, 2010, 05:15:00 AM
Quote from: "pinkocommie"
I'd explain it, except I'm a meany mean face who is overly hostile for no particular reason.   :|

Lol, I wasn't referring specifically to you, just to the response I got in general. But please, do explain.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on March 24, 2010, 01:06:46 PM
It's okay, Whit. What he asked isn't inappropriate. I didn't really answer whether or not I was a 4chan lurker, just that the images and style of forum macro don't necessarily have to be obtained through 4chan.

rizzy, I do lurk 4chan at times but very, very rarely participate, and never on /b/. Mostly on /v/ or /hr/. When I do occasionally lurk /b/ it's because I'm interested in the dark underbelly of internet subculture, partially for my area of academic study. I never really think of 4chan (but let's face it, when someone says 4chan, they really mean /b/, which is a shame for all the other boards) and morals in tandem. I think of 4chan, morals and ethics, and the interesting things 4chan does to the relationship between morals and ethics. People will post and say things there that they would never, ever think of doing in person, mostly because of the anonymity. It'd really be an interesting research study on the nature of identity and anonymity to study /b/, I think. Is the majority of it in poor taste? Of course, but it offers a deeper look into how people actually feel. Still, the suggestion it seems you're making (that voluntarily exposing yourself to something of questionable morality somehow defines you as being with questionable morals) doesn't follow. If it did, everyone who watched a violent film would be considered a violent person.

Did I cover everything?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: rizzyref on March 24, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
It's okay, Whit. What he asked isn't inappropriate. I didn't really answer whether or not I was a 4chan lurker, just that the images and style of forum macro don't necessarily have to be obtained through 4chan.

rizzy, I do lurk 4chan at times but very, very rarely participate, and never on /b/. Mostly on /v/ or /hr/. When I do occasionally lurk /b/ it's because I'm interested in the dark underbelly of internet subculture, partially for my area of academic study. I never really think of 4chan (but let's face it, when someone says 4chan, they really mean /b/, which is a shame for all the other boards) and morals in tandem. I think of 4chan, morals and ethics, and the interesting things 4chan does to the relationship between morals and ethics. People will post and say things there that they would never, ever think of doing in person, mostly because of the anonymity. It'd really be an interesting research study on the nature of identity and anonymity to study /b/, I think. Is the majority of it in poor taste? Of course, but it offers a deeper look into how people actually feel. Still, the suggestion it seems you're making (that voluntarily exposing yourself to something of questionable morality somehow defines you as being with questionable morals) doesn't follow. If it did, everyone who watched a violent film would be considered a violent person.

Did I cover everything?

Yeah, you answered my question and then some! But you broke 1 & 2! Ah well. Yeah, last year in English 300 my professor had us study internet psychology. One of the items was called "disassociative anonymity." The particular section sounded like it was specifically talking about 4chan, and I even laughed and turned to my buddy, who had no idea what I was talking about. But interesting comparison, your movie analogy. I often listen to violent music, and yet I don't consider myself immoral. Valid point.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on March 24, 2010, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Yeah, you answered my question and then some! But you broke 1 & 2!

In all fairness, you brought it up. ;)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: wildfire_emissary on June 05, 2010, 06:43:48 AM
this is good stuff. i will stop feeding trolls from now on. thanks curio.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on June 17, 2010, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: "wildfire_emissary"
this is good stuff. i will stop feeding trolls from now on. thanks curio.
Feel free, but make it known it's what you're doing. ;)

Also, OP updated for anyone who wants to read it.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: RappingAgnostic on June 18, 2010, 08:25:54 AM
oh hai guise. wuts this trolling?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on June 18, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Quote from: "pinkocommie"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
So much for "happy".

What exactly do you think "happy" means?

Well I know what it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean overly hostile for no particular reason.

Is someone hostile?

Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Are you a 4chan user, and if so do you solely lurk or do you participate? And do you find this to conflict with your morals?

strike 1....

Wait... what? I'm merely asking a question.[/quote][/quote]

To quote one helluva song, "Grits ain't groceries, eggs ain't poultry, and Mona Lisa was a man."
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on June 20, 2010, 10:46:01 PM
I love /b/. It helps me troll other trolls and doesn't afraid of anything.

/b/ is like the id of the internet. Everyone thinks these thoughts, they just repress them because they are afraid of the demons that lurk their inner thoughts. The anonymity of 4chan allows you to be yourself for once without fear of judgment or serious ramifications (as long as you don't post cp or death/terror threats).
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ninteen45 on July 06, 2010, 05:32:17 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "rizzyref"
Yeah, you answered my question and then some! But you broke 1 & 2!

In all fairness, you brought it up. ;)

Only applies to raids.

I'm back.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Faradaympp on July 08, 2010, 11:44:34 AM
Thanks for this, until this point I didn't know exactly what to do with trolls and I must confess taking the bait on a few occasions :shake:.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Allah on July 09, 2010, 05:36:06 PM
...this isn't a thread on how to troll?

Damn.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: freeservant on July 10, 2010, 12:12:05 AM
Might I suggest this handy thing be added to the smilies as a secret way to pass the message on to others...

(http://smiliesftw.com/x/feedtroll.gif) (http://smiliesftw.com)

 ;)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Black Jester on July 10, 2010, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: "Allah"
...this isn't a thread on how to troll?

Damn.

Hey...when I first saw this, I thought it was a thread about salmon fishing.  I grew up in Alaska.  We "troll" there all the time, it's how we get our dinner.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Filanthropod on July 10, 2010, 01:04:24 AM
I think that the vast majority of people on this forum are trolls.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Black Jester on July 10, 2010, 01:05:40 AM
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
I think that the vast majority of people on this forum are trolls.

And hello to you too!  Welcome back!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Filanthropod on July 10, 2010, 01:07:09 AM
Thanks. I forgot that my banning only lasted until a few hours ago. I've been busy on another atheist forum, observing the trolls there. Do you want to know which one?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Black Jester on July 10, 2010, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
Thanks. I forgot that my banning only lasted until a few hours ago. I've been busy on another atheist forum, observing the trolls there. Do you want to know which one?

Sure, if you want to tell me.  Although I'm a member of two others, I don't personally participate much in them.

Why would you want to spend your time "observing the trolls," as you put it?  Sounds unpleasant for you.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Filanthropod on July 10, 2010, 01:11:46 AM
Oh no I've been joining in too. Atheists make me laugh.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Black Jester on July 10, 2010, 01:22:55 AM
Okay, well, enjoy!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on July 10, 2010, 01:23:33 AM
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
I think that the vast majority of people on this forum are trolls.

I think someone needs to read the forum rules if they don't want a perm ban....
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Filanthropod on July 10, 2010, 01:29:52 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
I think that the vast majority of people on this forum are trolls.

I think someone needs to read the forum rules if they don't want a perm ban....

How long do I have to read the rules? When should I report back to you?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on July 10, 2010, 01:38:26 AM
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
I think that the vast majority of people on this forum are trolls.

I think someone needs to read the forum rules if they don't want a perm ban....

How long do I have to read the rules? When should I report back to you?

If I were you I'd read them before I posted again...especially that one about civility.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Filanthropod on July 10, 2010, 01:40:34 AM
In that case maybe you should get your resident trolls to read that part too. It seems that as long as you're in the comfy, insecure little clique, you can get away with anything. Double standards, and you don't even realise it, do you?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on July 10, 2010, 01:45:35 AM
^Not in the mood to try to make you behave...have fun bothering some other forum.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on July 10, 2010, 03:47:57 AM
Quote from: "Filanthropod"
In that case maybe you should get your resident trolls to read that part too. It seems that as long as you're in the comfy, insecure little clique, you can get away with anything. Double standards, and you don't even realise it, do you?

Haha, what a tool.  OH NOES I'M A TROLL NOW!!!1!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: NothingSacred on July 16, 2010, 02:12:16 PM
I used to uber troll stormfront then I realized they would actually agree with the stupid outlandish things I said (eg. eating asian food makes you a race traitor).  :shake:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on July 16, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
Gosh, if Filly thinks this place is loaded with trolls, he doesn't know a damned thing.  It's one of the nicest little corner of the athe-net I've found.  Compared to this, my home site is just one long bridge, housing innumerable trolls -- of which I freely confess being one.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 05, 2010, 08:16:00 PM
Trolling is as old as Agriculture and Prostitution. The earliest trolls were the Jews. They trolled the Egyptians and stuff. And now they troll the world again.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 05, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Trolling is as old as Agriculture and Prostitution. The earliest trolls were the Jews. They trolled the Egyptians and stuff. And now they troll the world again.
If jews are trolls... That would make Hitler a... A... What DOES that make him..?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 05, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Trolling is as old as Agriculture and Prostitution. The earliest trolls were the Jews. They trolled the Egyptians and stuff. And now they troll the world again.
If jews are trolls... That would make Hitler a... A... What DOES that make him..?  :hmm:

A troll trolling trolls. The Germans got troller's remorse and bawwwed.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 05, 2010, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
A troll trolling trolls. The Germans got troller's remorse and bawwwed.
That would be like... A troll in exponent of troll... I think that can be expressed mathematically!  :yay:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 05, 2010, 08:37:53 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
A troll trolling trolls. The Germans got troller's remorse and bawwwed.
That would be like... A troll in exponent of troll... I think that can be expressed mathematically!  :yay:

Yeah but it'd all be theoretical and shit.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 05, 2010, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Yeah but it'd all be theoretical and shit.
Dude, I'm a half-gay engineer. 'Tis what I do  :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 06, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Yeah but it'd all be theoretical and shit.
Dude, I'm a half-gay engineer. 'Tis what I do  :bananacolor:

Engineers are gay and worship Satan....
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 06, 2010, 10:01:52 PM
Quote from: "NothingSacred"
I used to uber troll stormfront then I realized they would actually agree with the stupid outlandish things I said (eg. eating asian food makes you a race traitor).  :shake:

They had a thread going about guns and they wouldn't buy a Galil because it's Israel made. Granted the Galil is kind of a piece of crap but that's a dumb reason to not like a gun. I buy a lot of soviet weaponary and I don't like communism. Doesn't my make me a political traitor or something. But I trolled them and the Skinz. The Skinz are a lot smarter about how they go about their stuff. SF just is lulzcows galore. Almost as fun as trolling Hal Turner.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 06, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
trolling is a art.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: KDbeads on September 06, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Engineers are gay and worship Satan....

 :hmm:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 06, 2010, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: "KDbeads"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Engineers are gay and worship Satan....

 :hmm:
I say just give in and grab a handful of Satan cock.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: KDbeads on September 06, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
roflol
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 12:04:33 AM
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5746&p=81226#p81215 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5746&p=81226#p81215)
If this is the quality of troll you guys get, I might have to stick around for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Velma on September 07, 2010, 12:48:15 AM
Trolls can sometimes be fun for a bit, but they always get old.  As a mod and admin on various forums, I've dealt with my share.  In the end they are all just boring.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 12:52:51 AM
Being both a mod on another forum as well as a troll who knows how to behave, I find it hard to get tired of a troll before they get banned.  I've a feeling that he already is, though.  Time to move on.   :(
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 02:49:25 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
Trolls can sometimes be fun for a bit, but they always get old.  As a mod and admin on various forums, I've dealt with my share.  In the end they are all just boring.

Maybe because you secretly wish they had buttsex with you?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Velma on September 07, 2010, 03:18:18 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "Velma"
Trolls can sometimes be fun for a bit, but they always get old.  As a mod and admin on various forums, I've dealt with my share.  In the end they are all just boring.

Maybe because you secretly wish they had buttsex with you?
I'm new here.  Is that supposed to be funny?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:27:31 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "Velma"
Trolls can sometimes be fun for a bit, but they always get old.  As a mod and admin on various forums, I've dealt with my share.  In the end they are all just boring.

Maybe because you secretly wish they had buttsex with you?
I'm new here.  Is that supposed to be funny?

No, you sound like a skank so you probably want it up the pooper.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:28:19 AM
That's not the best way to impress the ladies, bro.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:31:52 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
That's not the best way to impress the ladies, bro.

Who said she was a lady? Sounds like she's a he.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Velma on September 07, 2010, 03:39:50 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "Velma"
Trolls can sometimes be fun for a bit, but they always get old.  As a mod and admin on various forums, I've dealt with my share.  In the end they are all just boring.

Maybe because you secretly wish they had buttsex with you?
I'm new here.  Is that supposed to be funny?

Quote from: "Big Mac"
No, you sound like a skank so you probably want it up the pooper.
Do you treat all newcomers this way?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:41:04 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
Do you treat all newcomers this way?

This is a thread about trolls, you said trolls are boring, I'm getting enjoyment out of trolling you. And now you are trying to appeal to my pity.

Protip: I have none. I feel almost nothing but contempt for other people around me. What makes you so special?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:41:23 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
Do you treat all newcomers this way?
He hasn't treated me that way.  I'm jealous  :(
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:42:23 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Velma"
Do you treat all newcomers this way?
He hasn't treated me that way.  I'm jealous  :(

You're so gay poopshoot, that's what you do when you have to crap out of your howitzer of a sphincter after you get cornholed by some dark skinned people.

Feel better, queer?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:43:35 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Feel better, queer?
No, dickbreath.  You're unfunny.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:45:41 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Feel better, queer?
No, dickbreath.  You're unfunny.

I don't know, you're reacting with some hostility, perhaps a little butthurt?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:46:18 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Feel better, queer?
No, dickbreath.  You're unfunny.

I don't know, you're reacting with some hostility, perhaps a little butthurt?
With this howitzer?  Are you kidding?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Velma on September 07, 2010, 03:46:33 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "Velma"
Do you treat all newcomers this way?

This is a thread about trolls, you said trolls are boring, I'm getting enjoyment out of trolling you. And now you are trying to appeal to my pity.

Protip: I have none. I feel almost nothing but contempt for other people around me. What makes you so special?
I'm new here and still learning who's who.  So, this must mean I can put you in the "Do not take seriously" category.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:47:06 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
With this howitzer?  Are you kidding?

Well I figured your boyfriend didn't give you the reach around, fag.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:47:46 AM
Nah, he's good to me.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:48:37 AM
Quote from: "Velma"
I'm new here and still learning who's who.  So, this must mean I can put you in the "Do not take seriously" category.

Pretty much. If it's so outlandish that you are about to get an aneurysm from it, it's probably me trolling you.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:49:09 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Nah, he's good to me.

So who gave who the AIDS? That disease almost makes me believe in god.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:50:44 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
So who gave who the AIDS? That disease almost makes me believe in god.
He buys my AZT.   :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:52:05 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
So who gave who the AIDS? That disease almost makes me believe in god.
He buys my AZT.   :bananacolor:

What the hell is that? Some kind of queer toy?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
So who gave who the AIDS? That disease almost makes me believe in god.
He buys my AZT.   :bananacolor:

What the hell is that? Some kind of queer toy?
No.  It's medicine for the AIDS you gave me.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 03:55:47 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
No.  It's medicine for the AIDS you gave me.

It's not gay if you beat them up afterward!!!!

I'm the pitcher, you're the catcher!!!!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 04:01:09 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
No.  It's medicine for the AIDS you gave me.

It's not gay if you beat them up afterward!!!!

I'm the pitcher, you're the catcher!!!!
And it's not rape if you yell surprise.  But it IS gay when your balls touch, and them saggy fuckers you got stuck to my leg.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 04:12:49 AM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
And it's not rape if you yell surprise.  But it IS gay when your balls touch, and them saggy fuckers you got stuck to my leg.

You're the one taking it so I don't know how you get all high and mighty as a bottom.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on September 07, 2010, 06:21:34 AM
Warning is being issued to both BigMac and Poopshoot. Next time it's a one-week ban from HAF. Your posts are totally out of bounds for this forum. BigMac, in my opinion, you owe Velma a sincere apology.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 06:25:24 AM
Here's a little paradox for you, McQ:

If I'm being forced to apologize it isn't sincere, is it?

Granted I do run my mouth (technically my fingers since this is printed) and perhaps what I said was wrong but if you are saying I need to apologize and I do, I therefore wouldn't be sincere about it.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on September 07, 2010, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Here's a little paradox for you, McQ:

If I'm being forced to apologize it isn't sincere, is it?

Granted I do run my mouth (technically my fingers since this is printed) and perhaps what I said was wrong but if you are saying I need to apologize and I do, I therefore wouldn't be sincere about it.

BigMac. I said it is my opinion, not that you were forced. You can clearly see that. And we've known each other long enough here to shoot straight with one another. You know I have respect for you and appreciate you, but that I also won't tolerate when you step way out of bounds like this. The warning stands.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 06:35:02 AM
Quote from: "McQ"
Quote from: "Big Mac"
Here's a little paradox for you, McQ:

If I'm being forced to apologize it isn't sincere, is it?

Granted I do run my mouth (technically my fingers since this is printed) and perhaps what I said was wrong but if you are saying I need to apologize and I do, I therefore wouldn't be sincere about it.

Here's a little message for you, BigMac. I said it is my opinion, not that you were forced. You can clearly see that. And we've known each other long enough here to shoot straight with one another. You know I have respect for you and appreciate you, but that I also won't tolerate when you step way out of bounds like this. The warning stands.

Never challenged the warning. Hell I wouldn't disagree I have it coming.

I admit I misread that message you were sending.

I'm sorry if Velma took me the wrong way but she seemed to catch on that I'm the type of person who says outlandish shit for giggles. I am a semi-pro troll after all.

Anyone who is familiar with my work on Atheist Network knows I am capable of some quality troll stuff. Just showing some examples of trolling. I'll play nice if that's the issue.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 07, 2010, 10:42:44 AM
A suggestion for the mods: This thread is supposed to be about, not for trolling, isn't that right..?

So why not move some parts of it and merge them with the pile-of-trolls thread?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
Quote from: "McQ"
Warning is being issued to both BigMac and Poopshoot. Next time it's a one-week ban from HAF. Your posts are totally out of bounds for this forum. BigMac, in my opinion, you owe Velma a sincere apology.
What rule did I break and where is the post in which I did that?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
What rule did I break and where is the post in which I did that?

(http://i49.tinypic.com/34ou6fq.jpg)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on September 07, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
I loled
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on September 07, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "McQ"
Warning is being issued to both BigMac and Poopshoot. Next time it's a one-week ban from HAF. Your posts are totally out of bounds for this forum. BigMac, in my opinion, you owe Velma a sincere apology.
What rule did I break and where is the post in which I did that?

Your exchange with BigMac broke forum rules on civility and conduct. Read them.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap)

You also helped derail this entire thread, which is strictly about our tips for dealing with trolls and how we prefer members to behave when trolls try to post. Acting like a troll is behaving in the opposite way of this forum's method of dealing with them.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 07:40:15 PM
Quote from: "McQ"
Your exchange with BigMac broke forum rules on civility and conduct. Read them.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap)
I have.  I reread them.  I still don't see how I broke any of them.

Quote
You also helped derail this entire thread, which is strictly about our tips for dealing with trolls and how we prefer members to behave when trolls try to post. Acting like a troll is behaving in the opposite way of this forum's method of dealing with them.
So I broke the unwritten rules.  Got it.  I guess this is why rules tend to be written.  I'll try not to offend you too much in the future.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 07, 2010, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
I'll try not to offend you too much in the future.
Good idea. Mac, he can invoke the power of

(http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/749/banhammer.jpg)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
I'll try not to offend you too much in the future.
Good idea. Mac, he can invoke the power of

(http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/749/banhammer.jpg)
and they accuse ME of trolling  :raised:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 07, 2010, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
and they accuse ME of trolling  :P  There is just enough substance in what I say to be on the right side of spam. Usually, a lot more than that.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 08:16:54 PM
Pfft.  That's not even a real banhammer.  Real banhammers are soft and fluffy, usually made of pliable plastic monomers coated in pure softness.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 07, 2010, 08:21:45 PM
And judging by that comment there, I'd say my point is won.  :pop:

You know, a little messing around here and there is all good, but you gotta' learn howta' walk the line without crossing over to the wrong side - but, as you can probably guess, that [walking the line] should not be used as your conduct baseline.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2010, 09:08:44 PM
Like others have said, ignore the trolls. When you get angry at them, you're just feeding into their game. Imagine trolls being like Paul Mooney. The madder you get, the more they get a stupid grin on their face. Except Paul is usually funny.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on September 07, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
Pointing and laughing is helpful.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: "Big Mac"
When you get angry at them, you're just feeding into their game.
Who gets mad at trolls?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: McQ on September 07, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "McQ"
Your exchange with BigMac broke forum rules on civility and conduct. Read them.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522#wrap)
I have.  I reread them.  I still don't see how I broke any of them.

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You also helped derail this entire thread, which is strictly about our tips for dealing with trolls and how we prefer members to behave when trolls try to post. Acting like a troll is behaving in the opposite way of this forum's method of dealing with them.
So I broke the unwritten rules.  Got it.  I guess this is why rules tend to be written.  I'll try not to offend you too much in the future.

I pointed you directly to them, and you did break them. The first word in the rules is civility. Typing, "No, dickbreath. You're unfunny." is not civil. Nor is it work safe, which we also mention in the rules.

Continuing to derail a thread by trolling, or acting like a troll (same thing) is against forum rules. Both you and BigMac posted a couple of pages of material that is against forum rules, all while derailing a thread that is intended to keep our membership from feeding trolls.

See how you broke them now?

And you're not causing me any offense, but nice try at baiting, which is also against forum rules. I'm just here to help moderate the forum.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 07, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: "McQ"
Typing, "No, dickbreath. You're unfunny." is not civil. Nor is it work safe, which we also mention in the rules.
I'm glad I don't have your job.  You must be miserable.

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And you're not causing me any offense, but nice try at baiting, which is also against forum rules. I'm just here to help moderate the forum.
Paranoia spotted.  I didn't attempt to bait you at all.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on September 07, 2010, 11:50:54 PM
BigMac is on perm ban for what I suspect was yet another bout of drunk posting.  He knows how I feel about his conduct and ran out of chances.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on September 07, 2010, 11:55:18 PM
Quote from: "PoopShoot"
Quote from: "McQ"
Typing, "No, dickbreath. You're unfunny." is not civil. Nor is it work safe, which we also mention in the rules.
I'm glad I don't have your job.  You must be miserable.

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And you're not causing me any offense, but nice try at baiting, which is also against forum rules. I'm just here to help moderate the forum.
Paranoia spotted.  I didn't attempt to bait you at all.

Look, if you have a problem with a mod then let me know rather than being rude to them in thread.  If understanding what "civil" means is going to be a problem for you then perhaps you should find another forum.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on September 08, 2010, 03:59:47 AM
Actually, you have a real live sample here, to point out to everyone.  Meta-thinking is cool.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Sophus on September 17, 2010, 05:22:02 AM
Can someone kindly explain this joke to me?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8rxtg4oPs1qzmowao1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 17, 2010, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: "Sophus"
Can someone kindly explain this joke to me?
Lurk moar @ /b/.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Davin on September 18, 2010, 02:31:04 AM
Quote from: "Sophus"
Can someone kindly explain this joke to me?
It appears the first guy is explaining the that trolling is an art, while also attempting to get corrected by intentionally using "a" when "an" is proper, thus invoking a response from the other guy who corrected him. Then smiles as his point should have been clearly demonstrated, then the other dude realizes it.

At least that is my interpretation.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Jats on September 18, 2010, 03:10:54 AM
"...and mine too, though which one is the troll is a matter of perception..." Jats adds
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 18, 2010, 03:45:10 AM
It's much simpler than that.  The troll is trolling a grammar nazi.  It's a meme that is popular as hell on 4chan and not very popular anywhere else.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Jats on September 18, 2010, 04:19:31 AM
"...like I said its a matter of perception, for many a grammar Nazi (it should be capitalised by the way), or someone who has a penchant for pedantry is often a troll, and quite often when a troll is trolled back they fail to see the irony, hence the big smile..."
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Magic Pudding on September 18, 2010, 06:02:40 AM
Quote from: "Jats"
"...and mine too, though which one is the troll is a matter of perception..." Jats adds
The first one, look at his freaken face.
That's a troll face.
I see it and I have an urge.
An urge to light a torch and grab a pitch fork.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on September 18, 2010, 08:41:28 AM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"
Quote from: "Jats"
"...and mine too, though which one is the troll is a matter of perception..." Jats adds
The first one, look at his freaken face.
That's a troll face.
I see it and I have an urge.
An urge to light a torch and grab a pitch fork.

Remind me not to post photos.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 18, 2010, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"
Quote from: "Jats"
"...and mine too, though which one is the troll is a matter of perception..." Jats adds
The first one, look at his freaken face.
That's a troll face.
I see it and I have an urge.
An urge to light a torch and grab a pitch fork.

Remind me not to post photos.
I was SO gonna stick a lynch mob pic here... Killjoy!  :P
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Magic Pudding on September 18, 2010, 02:58:08 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
I was SO gonna stick a lynch mob pic here... Killjoy!  :P
Lynch mob for a troll, are you serious?
Are you completely ignorant of the classics?
There's butting by the largest of three goats.
Keep the troll chatting until the sun comes up.
Stick a wand in trolls nose and drop trolls club on troll.
Fire and pitchforks work for most everything.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on September 18, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"
Quote from: "Asmodean"
I was SO gonna stick a lynch mob pic here... Killjoy!  :P
Lynch mob for a troll, are you serious?
What?! Lynch mobs are nice, aren't they?  :pop:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: curiosityandthecat on September 18, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
(http://images54.fotki.com/v451/photos/8/892548/6116196/1259857689405-vi.gif)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: pinkocommie on September 19, 2010, 07:16:38 AM
Yay!  Curio FTW!   :exphug:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Sophus on September 19, 2010, 08:06:15 AM
Curio's back?!?!?!
  :bananacolor:  :bananacolor:
Quote from: "Davin"
Quote from: "Sophus"
Can someone kindly explain this joke to me?
It appears the first guy is explaining the that trolling is an art, while also attempting to get corrected by intentionally using "a" when "an" is proper, thus invoking a response from the other guy who corrected him. Then smiles as his point should have been clearly demonstrated, then the other dude realizes it.

At least that is my interpretation.
Ah, okay. That makes sense.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: PoopShoot on September 19, 2010, 01:27:07 PM
(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/73/Trollface.png/360px-Trollface.png)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Heretical Rants on December 18, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
(http://images54.fotki.com/v451/photos/8/892548/6116196/1259857689405-vi.gif)
Whoaaa!!! Where'd you find that picture of me?!?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ninteen45 on January 04, 2011, 04:27:16 AM
Most people here are Grammar Nazi's or Spelling Nazi's.

Most people here are athiest.

Thus, all athiests are Nazi's.

FOX news was right again!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on January 04, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: "Ninteen45"
Most people here are Grammar Nazi's or Spelling Nazi's.
Nope. Just some with the loudest mouths are.

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Most people here are athiest.
Thus, all athiests are Nazi's.
Most does not convert to all by itself  :pop:

Quote
FOX news was right again!
Too bad I can't has that channel... Sounds like tons of entertainment  :shake:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ihateyoumike on January 05, 2011, 08:25:39 AM
Quote from: "Ninteen45"
Most people here are Grammar Nazi's or Spelling Nazi's.

Most people here are athiest.

Thus, all athiests are Nazi's.

FOX news was right again!

Nazis.  ;)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: elliebean on January 05, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: "Ihateyoumike"
Quote from: "Ninteen45"
Nazi's Nazi's Nazi's

Nazis.  roflol
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: periwinklefish on January 15, 2011, 05:05:54 AM
:)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on January 15, 2011, 05:22:18 AM
Quote from: "periwinklefish"
Uh-oh, I think I might have trolled, once:)  I left a one time rant on a christian site about "end of times" b/c my son admitted to us recently that he stayed up crying at night for a year b/c of his religious friends telling him the world was going to end in 2012.    Is that troll bahavior?

Eh...that's more like a post and run.  I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Tank on January 15, 2011, 08:23:02 AM
Quote from: "periwinklefish"
Uh-oh, I think I might have trolled, once:)  I left a one time rant on a christian site about "end of times" b/c my son admitted to us recently that he stayed up crying at night for a year b/c of his religious friends telling him the world was going to end in 2012.    Is that troll bahavior?
Oh yes! Without a doubt you are a mean bad little atheist  :headbang:
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 20, 2011, 10:03:08 PM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
The most basic way of spotting a troll is to just read the post. :lol: If it seems a bit too outlandish, it's a safe bet you've got a troll on your hands.
There's just no way around this.  I've been struggling with this since I joined this forum.

I'm a Troll.

Every idea I hold, in regard to belief in God (Abrahamic) is outlandish if we simply go by the majority vote on this forum.  Is this not setting up a straw man?

*sigh*  I suppose I'll have to live with it.

Hi, I'm AnimatedDirt.  I'm a Troll.
I do love this forum though.  So, from this troll to Whitney and Co.;  Thanks for this place.  :)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Recusant on January 20, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
The most basic way of spotting a troll is to just read the post. :lol: If it seems a bit too outlandish, it's a safe bet you've got a troll on your hands.
There's just no way around this.  I've been struggling with this since I joined this forum.

I'm a Troll.

Every idea I hold, in regard to belief in God (Abrahamic) is outlandish if we simply go by the majority vote on this forum.  Is this not setting up a straw man?

*sigh*  I suppose I'll have to live with it.

Hi, I'm AnimatedDirt.  I'm a Troll.
I do love this forum though.  So, from this troll to Whitney and Co.;  Thanks for this place.  :)
Meh. You're going to have to try harder, man.  

Try reading the following from the OP, and really take it to heart:

Quote
Quote from: "Wikipedia"
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
Trolls are basically annoying, childish users who have nothing productive or useful to add to the community, and disrupt because they have nothing better to do.
I don't know how to put it any more clearly; you've failed to fulfill any of these criteria. (Though your contributions to the thread about an atheist dealing with his Christian family at Christmas time showed some promise.)  If you want to skulk proudly in the troll world, you've got some serious work ahead of you.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 20, 2011, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: "Recusant"
Try reading the following from the OP, and really take it to heart:

Quote
Quote from: "Wikipedia"
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
Trolls are basically annoying, childish users who have nothing productive or useful to add to the community, and disrupt because they have nothing better to do.
I don't know how to put it any more clearly; you've failed to fulfill any of these criteria. (Though your contributions to the thread about an atheist dealing with his Christian family at Christmas time showed some promise.)  If you want to skulk proudly in the troll world, you've got some serious work ahead of you.
According to Wiki:
I have raised controversial points/ideas
I have inflammed some against me in regard to those points/beliefs/ideas
Most of my evidence IS irrelevant as far as the staunch Atheist is concerned.
Take for example this post (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6554&p=100200#p100200).  What on earth could the Bible believer put up as proof or evidence other than these books of "historical" acts that would convince the skeptic?  These are historians and writers of the day.  Does every writer of today speak/mention about dark matter and it's evidence in their writings?  It's only the writers with concern/interest in dark matter that write about it.  In 2000 years (if we were to leave aside digital information and rely simply on physical books) how much would be found on the exact subject of dark matter?  I assume/acknowledge a lot more (on account that physicists today out-number writers/historians following the disciples around documenting their acts) than on Jesus and especially on the daily happenings of His few disciples.  Yet the skeptic wants PROOF.  One can only point at written pieces that mention this as evidence, otherwise there is no other evidence.  But the written text is thrown aside as hearsay.

I appreciate you saying I'll have to try harder...thank you.  That's encouraging.  But the fact of the matter is the concensus on this forum is that the basic way of spotting a troll = outlandish, therefore anyone of opposing belief is a troll...hence AD is a troll.

It's no skulk, it seems it is my only position given these facts.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 20, 2011, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
I appreciate you saying I'll have to try harder...thank you.  That's encouraging.  But the fact of the matter is the concensus on this forum is that the basic way of spotting a troll = outlandish, therefore anyone of opposing belief is a troll...hence AD is a troll.

It's no skulk, it seems it is my only position given these facts.
Quote from: "Wikipedia"
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
I don't see how you're fulfilling these criteria.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 20, 2011, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
I don't see how you're fulfilling these criteria.
Thanks, LegendarySandwich, again, encouraging.

However, based on the quote from my initial post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2332&start=165#p100201), it's the only conclusion on anyone opposing the basics of this forum or any forum's majority for that matter.  There are other criteria, however, this basic point/belief allows any Atheist to say to another with opposing/outlandish views, "You are a troll!" and be correct is saying so with no real reason to say he/she is wrong.

Man, I love knowing how to link to posts now...
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 20, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
I don't see how you're fulfilling these criteria.
Thanks, LegendarySandwich, again, encouraging.

However, based on the quote from my initial post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2332&start=165#p100201), it's the only conclusion on anyone opposing the basics of this forum or any forum's majority for that matter.  There are other criteria, however, this basic point/belief allows any Atheist to say to another with opposing/outlandish views, "You are a troll!" and be correct is saying so with no real reason to say he/she is wrong.

Man, I love knowing how to link to posts now...
curiosityandthecat does not represent the view of the HAF community. I disagree with him.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 20, 2011, 11:28:31 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
I don't see how you're fulfilling these criteria.
Thanks, LegendarySandwich, again, encouraging.

However, based on the quote from my initial post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2332&start=165#p100201), it's the only conclusion on anyone opposing the basics of this forum or any forum's majority for that matter.  There are other criteria, however, this basic point/belief allows any Atheist to say to another with opposing/outlandish views, "You are a troll!" and be correct is saying so with no real reason to say he/she is wrong.

Man, I love knowing how to link to posts now...
curiosityandthecat does not represent the view of the HAF community. I disagree with him.
I've not read EVERY single post, but suffice to say, I see a lot of  :headbang: and 12 or so pages of posts and not one disagreement (again, that I've seen...I'll now go through each post).  You are the first that has said so to my knowledge as part of the HAF "community" (only that you are in more agreement with the forum's purpose).

Edit:  I stand corrected.  Here's one (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2332&start=45#p59056),
not so blatently against, but could be construed as such.  And another (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2332&start=45#p59056).  Ok, well, there are a few that don't feel the same, but the point I think still remains as this is a sticky and so seems to be the concensus.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 20, 2011, 11:31:39 PM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
I've not read EVERY single post, but suffice to say, I see a lot of  :headbang: and 12 or so pages of posts and not one disagreement (again, that I've seen...I'll now go through each post).  You are the first that has said so to my knowledge as part of the HAF "community" (only that you are in more agreement with the forum's purpose).
I agree with most of his original post, just not the sentence where he says that people with outlandish views are very likely to be trolls.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 20, 2011, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
I agree with most of his original post, just not the sentence where he says that people with outlandish views are very likely to be trolls.
Yes, I got that.  I didn't mean to imply you disagree with his whole post.  :)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Recusant on January 21, 2011, 01:40:22 AM
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
According to Wiki:
I have raised controversial points/ideas
I have inflammed some against me in regard to those points/beliefs/ideas
OK, but if you posted "with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion," then you've been much too subtle. (Though as I said, your Christmas thread work showed some promise.)   :P  Subtlety is a very poor modus operandi for the effective internet troll.

  It's really intention which defines a troll, in my opinion.  If your intent in posting here is trollish, then you should work on your technique, because you've obviously failed to convince many (if any) of the members here that you're a troll.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: AnimatedDirt on January 21, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: "Recusant"
Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"
According to Wiki:
I have raised controversial points/ideas
I have inflammed some against me in regard to those points/beliefs/ideas
OK, but if you posted "with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion," then you've been much too subtle. (Though as I said, your Christmas thread work showed some promise.)   :evil:  Now my true work begins.  JK.

Ok.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: JoeBobSmith on February 02, 2011, 09:47:28 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on February 03, 2011, 01:51:10 AM
I have more than a touch of the troll to me.  I don't really practice it here, out of respect for a fine forum.  I also think that trolls can be useful, insofar as they use unconventional tactics to skewer conventional assumptions.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: JoeBobSmith on February 03, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Yuffie on February 07, 2011, 07:58:48 AM
I've seen tons of trolls on yahoo answers and admittedly I troll there once in a while myself... but other than that I don't do trolling.  :eek:

But yeah, I can handle obvious trolls. Will have to watch out for the not so obvious ones, though. >.<
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: ForTheLoveOfAll on February 16, 2011, 03:03:56 PM
Trolls exist for the sake of that warm fuzzy feeling of beliving that they've made a total stranger so mad that they broke their own keyboard.

(http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af70/sebassbruu/trolldance.gif)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Illbethewriter on March 23, 2011, 10:51:56 PM
This post makes me feel really paranoid! I feel like everyone's suspicious of me being a troll because I'm new!
Thanks for the clarity though; I've always wondered exactly what a troll is!
Although I've always liked trolls - when my Grandma used to read me the 'Three Billy Goats Gruff' I used to shut the book because I didn't want the troll to die!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on March 23, 2011, 11:59:00 PM
Illbethe...don't worry about it, you've posted enough on topic posts that no one should think you are trolling.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Illbethewriter on March 24, 2011, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Illbethe...don't worry about it, you've posted enough on topic posts that no one should think you are trolling.

Haha I am actually starting to think you're my Mum! You're so full of advice and assurance :D Thanks for minding me!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Ulver on March 25, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
What I have realized from encountering slightly less flagrant trolls is that they really have no intention of discussing anything, and it's really quite easy to dilute yourself into believe you had been discussing something with them all along.  :drool  lesson learnt.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Tank on March 25, 2011, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: "Ulver"
What I have realized from encountering slightly less flagrant trolls is that they really have no intention of discussing anything, and it's really quite easy to dilute yourself into believe you had been discussing something with them all along.  :drool  lesson learnt.
Fortunately Whitney et.al. have a good nose for sniffing out trolls and getting rid of them and this 50 post 'apprenticeship' really does seem to be working.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: KDbeads on March 25, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: "Tank"
this 50 post 'apprenticeship' really does seem to be working.

Yeah... we haven't seen mabus in how long now?  I haven't been able to use Pudding's duckies in a while....
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: proudfootz on March 26, 2011, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: "Ulver"
What I have realized from encountering slightly less flagrant trolls is that they really have no intention of discussing anything, and it's really quite easy to dilute yourself into believe you had been discussing something with them all along.  :drool  lesson learnt.
That's one of the goals of some trolls - to dilute the significance of any given thread and render it worthless.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: oscarstrok on April 18, 2011, 12:55:31 PM
here's a video about the category of trolls

[youtube:2umyf6v8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqDMDNUZnEc[/youtube:2umyf6v8]

[youtube:2umyf6v8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkbGzoaT3Q[/youtube:2umyf6v8]
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Poptop on May 27, 2011, 06:09:54 AM
I wish I were a troll, then I could quickly notice that it's not worth my time on this site and I could leave but instead, I've got to spend time making 50 posts  It'll be worth it though, right?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on May 27, 2011, 06:19:12 AM
I wish I were a troll, then I could quickly notice that it's not worth my time on this site and I could leave but instead, I've got to spend time making 50 posts  It'll be worth it though, right?

yes, it will be worth it....and it only takes a couple days.

I guess I'm a bit biased though ;)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Poptop on May 27, 2011, 06:24:45 AM
ha ha, good.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Sweetdeath on May 28, 2011, 06:37:09 PM
I hate trolls, so I really like the 50 posts rule.

Then after 50, I can spread the word of your lord and saviour; the googly eyed pasta monster. :D
Title: Re: Hello. I am new here to www.happyatheistforum.com. only wanted to introduce myself.
Post by: Siz on October 09, 2011, 07:18:38 AM
Hi Im new to the site. Just wanted to say hi to everyone at www.happyatheistforum.com. I just made my first website at {removed}. Thanks for any suggestions!

I suggest you read the forum rules...
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Troll god on October 28, 2011, 10:35:49 PM
This topic seems made for me. ;D

I'm not a troll for "really really", just like to have some fun with fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Jonesboy on November 11, 2011, 07:53:07 PM
There has been a recent surge in trolling, so I thought I would take the liberty to throw together a little primer on how to spot a troll, and how to best deal with one once you’ve caught one.  I will refer to the troll as it, rather than he or she, to keep from humanizing such a monster. Google. If you return basically anything, you've got a copypasta troll. If you don't return anything, try with another phrase. Look for discrepancies in writing style from one paragraph to another, things like capitalization and punctuation usage. If it fluctuates frequently, it's a pretty good give away.

Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Davin on November 11, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Jonesboy on November 11, 2011, 09:13:05 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.

It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Davin on November 11, 2011, 09:17:43 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.

It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.
No, there is a difference between people getting riled up by posts, and posting to get people riled up. Trolls also tend to avoid actually responding to what is said. If you want to not be seen as a troll, then just make sure you're honestly engaging the people that are responding to you and refrain from personal attacks and assumptions.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Tank on November 11, 2011, 09:19:34 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.

It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.
Interesting comments Mr Jones, quiet Troll like really  ;D
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: DeterminedJuliet on November 11, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.

It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.
Interesting comments Mr Jones, quiet Troll like really  ;D
lol
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 12:02:49 AM
It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.
Interesting comments Mr Jones, quiet Troll like really  ;D
haha. I agree Tank.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Whitney on November 12, 2011, 02:29:34 AM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.

It looks to me like a troll is a term that a group uses to threaten those who they don't want around. That could mean threatening anyone who challenges them once, or anyone whose approach is always challenging. If that's the case I'm all for trolls rather than yes-men.

lol...stop trolling the troll thread.

(seriously...stop)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 02:32:46 AM
lol...stop trolling the troll thread.
(seriously...stop)
hahaha, it is pretty sad when people troll the troll thread.
Title: Ñàìûå êðàñèâ
Post by: pheklykeeve on January 17, 2012, 05:27:10 AM
Ñàìûå êðàñèâûå òåëêè îíëàé â ÷àòå, ñäåëàþò âñå ÷òî âû ïîïðîñèòå. Ãîëûå òåëêè ïåðåä âåáêîé.
òåëêè åáóòñÿ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)


(Edited Link  -- Recusant)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 17, 2012, 05:29:15 AM
Ñàìûå êðàñèâûå òåëêè îíëàé â ÷àòå, ñäåëàþò âñå ÷òî âû ïîïðîñèòå. Ãîëûå òåëêè ïåðåä âåáêîé.
òåëêè åáóòñÿ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)


Could this be the first contact we've had from alien life?  :o

Someone call SETI asap!

(Edited link  -- Recusant)
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Recusant on January 17, 2012, 09:17:10 AM
That was one of our Russian porn spammers stopping by to give us his best wishes. His website is called телок (Heifers or "chicks"). Such a classy guy; I think that he's using some unusual character encoding so his posts come out in gibberish instead of Russian.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Tank on January 17, 2012, 09:39:14 AM
That was one of our Russian porn spammers stopping by to give us his best wishes. His website is called телок (Heifers or "chicks"). Such a classy guy; I think that he's using some unusual character encoding so his posts come out in gibberish instead of Russian.
You Rick Rolled it! Good one!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Buddy on January 17, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
That was one of our Russian porn spammers stopping by to give us his best wishes. His website is called телок (Heifers or "chicks"). Such a classy guy; I think that he's using some unusual character encoding so his posts come out in gibberish instead of Russian.
You Rick Rolled it! Good one!

I love Rick Rolling people. On my DeviantArt sig, I have a link saying it's a petition to stop animal abuse.  :D
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 17, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
Okay, call off SETI, it seems this isn't intelligent life at all...
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Mocha Chief on January 30, 2012, 10:20:04 PM
Lmao very nice
Title: Re: Âñÿ èíôîðìàö
Post by: history_geek on April 20, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
EDIT: removed spammer quote as it had links in it - tank


We have another ET alive here! :o
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Anti-antidisestablishmentarianism on May 10, 2012, 09:50:57 PM
Some clarification please. What's a copypasta troll, and what's a troll?
If its someone who is challenging all the the time then that's called a philosopher. So some clarification would be helpful.
A copypasta troll is a person that takes one post and posts it to many forums and/or just copies and pastes from web sites (sites like answers in genesis and the philosophy part of Stanford are very popular).

A regular troll is someone who posts on forums to get people riled up and/or just for the lols. The exact definitions take a long time to go through, but the longer you use the internet for discussions, the easier time yu will have in recognizing trollish behavior.
And ice trolls take double damage from fire based spells but are impervious to ice and frost spells.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Hector Valdez on May 27, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
I was the first to die.  :(
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Happy_Is_Good on June 25, 2012, 05:41:07 AM
What is a Troll?

Most people believe it is best conceptually visualized by and actual Troll - a hideous creature....hiding under a bridge!

Wrong.

Trolling...real Trolling is what Fishermen do.  they put out a nice, tasty bait and watch and delight in a tremendous strike - just like Marlin and Sail-fishermen enjoy!  Then...there's the fight, and that is fun, too!

Seriously, learn what trolling really is....raise the Outriggers, get ready for a strike!

(http://floridasportfishing.com/magazine/images/stories/tips-tales/rigging-statoin-sweetest-snap-2.jpg)  

Don't fall for this cheap trick.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on June 25, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
Hmm... I kind of do my fishing at the local store freezer, so it may be a somewhat uninformed question, but are you sure you are not thinking of trawling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawling)?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: The Magic Pudding on June 25, 2012, 11:51:36 AM
Hmm... I kind of do my fishing at the local store freezer, so it may be a somewhat uninformed question, but are you sure you are not thinking of trawling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawling)?

Trawling involves use of a net, trolling uses a bait drawn through the water.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on June 25, 2012, 12:11:26 PM
Ah! I still prefer buying. It involves the use of coin.  ;D
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2012, 01:23:39 AM
I like my coin too much, I'd rather hang onto it. ;D
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on June 26, 2012, 01:49:08 AM
My coin has one purpose - being exchanged for whatever it is I happen to want or need.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2012, 03:30:40 AM
Well at least you don't have to worry about what your coins might think about his Grayness giving them an objective purpose whether they like it or not, right?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on June 26, 2012, 03:50:45 AM
The Asmo's coins are Asmozealots. Whatever The Gray One says, they obey.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2012, 04:42:12 AM
Be fruitful and multiply included?  :o
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Java on June 26, 2012, 07:17:35 AM
I love trolling Christians.. gotta be honest. Well, honestly I love trolling a lot of people but mostly Christians. I would never instigate the "attack" but counter-troll. Does that fall in the OK category?
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Tank on June 26, 2012, 07:52:04 AM
I love trolling Christians.. gotta be honest. Well, honestly I love trolling a lot of people but mostly Christians. I would never instigate the "attack" but counter-troll. Does that fall in the OK category?
:D No!
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Java on June 26, 2012, 10:11:09 AM
I love trolling Christians.. gotta be honest. Well, honestly I love trolling a lot of people but mostly Christians. I would never instigate the "attack" but counter-troll. Does that fall in the OK category?
:D No!

Noted! :) No troller here.
Title: Re: Trolling 101
Post by: Asmodean on June 26, 2012, 11:06:43 AM
Be fruitful and multiply included?  :o
No, that's YHWH the Fake. The Book of Asmoism clearly states that there is no Asmo other than Asmo and Ali is His Great Priestess.  >:(