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Title: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 28, 2012, 10:48:05 AM
I was wondering if this might be worth a thread, since there do seem to be a number of fans on the forum.

I found this recent episode, Blackwater, very entertaining and I don't usually care for battle scenes, esp. ones where people are sliced in two or have their heads vaporized by a rock.  I suppose I simply liked the continuing character development so much that I didn't mind all the mayhem going on around it.

For instance:

Tyrion and Bronn.  Definitely two of my favorite characters and the light thrown on their friendship (or "friendship" from Bronn's point of view, he being much less sentimental than Tyrion) was my favorite part of the whole hour, esp. when Bronn said "I've seen you kill a man with a shield; with that [battle ax] there'll be no stopping you."  And indeed there was not.  Tyrion might have to attack people's knees, but he made it a damned effective move.  

I also liked how effective Tyrion was as a leader as well as a soldier, the way he got a disspirited, fleeing army to turn back around and rejoin the fight after both their king and one of their most vicious warriors had abandoned it:  "There are brave men knocking at our door -- let's go kill them."  I just wish I knew who gave that king's guard asshole the order the kill Tyrion in battle so it could be passed off as the enemy's doing -- Joffrey?  Cersai?  Was the guard doing it on his own out of pure pissiness?  He seems the type.  And good on that odd serving boy for being willing to run out into a hellscape to come to Tyrion's rescue.

Speaking of vicious, pissy assholes, what is up with the Hound?  I don't get why he dislikes Bronn so much, tho I loved Bronn rubbing the Hound's face in how unafraid he was of him by saving the Hound's life in battle.  And why is fire still such a big deal to the Hound?  I get the unpleasant associations he has with it but really, he's had more than enough time to adjust and in a world without electricity this cannot be the first time since childhood that he's been in close proximity to large flames, esp. since he's spent most of his life fighting and has surely found it necessary to burn down a few things.

And before I get off the topic of vicious, pissy assholes -- Cersai.  Her single virtue, her only saving grace, is supposed to be her authentic love for her children but I am just not buying it.  I believe she loves them for what they can do for her, but not that she loves them for themselves which I think is what I'm supposed to be buying.  If she did love them for themselves, not only would she never have made that extraordinary stink about Tyrion sending Mycella (?) off to safety in marriage to a lord of Dorn, she would have thought of doing that herself and sent little Tommen along with his sister.  Instead her plan was to keep them by her to face the probable fate of starvation at best or being hacked to death by Stannis at worst.  Why?  Because she enjoys having them by her?  Of course she does, but a truly loving mother would prefer her childrens safety over her own happiness.

Before I leave the Lannisters, Tywin or as I think of him, Big Daddy Lannister.  Loved his ride in on the white horse to finish up the battle and capture Stannis (can't wait to see how he's dispatched), and that he arrived just in time to keep Cersai from poisoning the child she was too careless to send to safety much earlier.  Altho I must say the very best thing about Tywin Lannister is his relationship with Arya (and he must know who she is, he's being written way too smart not to), which I understand is not in the books but is a brilliant innovation for the series.  They have a wonderful chemistry together and I get the impression that Arya Stark is the grandchild Tywin wishes he had rather than the psychopathic Joffery, the girly girl Mycella or the sweet but vapid Tommen.  I read that in an interview about GoT, Dance said that the girl playing Arya was his favorite actor to be in a scene with and it really shows.

Altho they weren't in this episode, I also enjoy Brienne of Tarth and her completely different but equally compelling relationships with Lady Stark and Jaime Lannister.  I for one would love to see Brienne and Jaime fight it out -- I have a feeling that Jaime's fighting prowess is confined to what shifty moves he can pull whereas Brienne has more straight out fighting skill.

I feel I should write something about Jon Snow and Robb Stark but, honestly, I have a hard time telling them apart, even now that their storylines have diverged so much.  I still can't help thinking of them as Robb Snow.

Among my other favorites who didn't show up this episode is the team of Osha the wildling girl, Hordor the simpleton and the two youngest Stark boys, Bran and Rickon, both of whom seem to have a bit of the fey about them.  And it may be my imagination, but I think Osha and Hordor have been flirting with each other despite Hordor's inability (or unwillingness) to say anything except "Hordor".

Finally, the dire wolves.  We know where Robb and Jon's wolves are, and apparently Bran and Rickon's wolves are nearby in the woods around Winterfell (I get that they can't come into the castle grounds without giving away that the escaped boys have returned) but where the heck is Arya's wolf?  She set it free to save it from that nutcase Joffrey, but I can't help thinking that's not the end of it -- the wolf must have been hovering around waiting for Arya to leave King's Landing so it could rejoin her, so where is it?  I'm going to be very disappointed if that wolf turns out to be a forgotten loose end.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Gawen on May 28, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
I nearly erased all the recordings from my DVR. The show (I have never read the books) has become too complicated. To many new characters. So many old characters with nothing to do or dead. Dinklage carries the show, both with himself as a very good actor and his character, but the character has the good stuff written for it. I'm going to watch the rest of this season. If my interest can't be kept, I'll turn it off.

My prediction for season three is nearly all the characters from season one are gone and even more new characters introduced.

I fell afoul with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series for the same reason. Too many characters to keep track of.

K.I.S.S.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 28, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
Yeah, sorry about the spoiler thing.  I figured anybody who was interested in it would have seen it already.

I nearly erased all the recordings from my DVR. The show (I have never read the books) has become too complicated. To many new characters. So many old characters with nothing to do or dead. Dinklage carries the show, both with himself as a very good actor and his character, but the character has the good stuff written for it. I'm going to watch the rest of this season. If my interest can't be kept, I'll turn it off.

My prediction for season three is nearly all the characters from season one are gone and even more new characters introduced.

I fell afoul with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series for the same reason. Too many characters to keep track of.

K.I.S.S.

I tried reading the first book, twice, but couldn't hack it.  I've read other books by GRRM and I just don't care for him as a writer.  The series, tho, I'm finding very entertaining and I'm having no trouble keeping track of the storylines and characters (except for that damn Jon/Robb problem); I sometimes regret that they can't touch base with all the storylines in a single episode but I understand that for the sake of keeping the drama tight they sometimes have to concentrate on a particular story for awhile.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on May 28, 2012, 04:53:08 PM
OOoooh, yes, this thread is definitely needed!  LOVE Game of Thrones.

Okay, so Tyrion.  Tyrion is tough and brave (yet another reason to be gaga in love with him - he's definitely my favorite character.)  He's really the only Lannister I like, or that seems to have any shred of decency in him.  He also owned that battle with his battle ax.  I'm reading the book as well (only have about 50 pages to go) so assuming the show follows the book (doesn't always) I can tell tell you that Tyrion thinks that Cersai is the one that sent the king's guard after him, although so far that's only his own speculation.  Also, the injury in the book is a lot worse than the injury on the show, although I won't tell you about it unless you want me to (in case you want to read it for yourself.)


Re: Cersai getting pissy about Tyrion sending Myrcella away.  I think they go more into this in the book than the show, but I think Cersai kind of explains her objections to this in the recent scene where she is talking to Sansa about how she and Jamie were so much alike in childhood, but when he came of age he was to be the heir to Casterly Rock and given a sword and honors, and she was "sold like a horse to be ridden whenever he felt like it." (or something like that.)  I think she wanted to protect Myrcella from being a trading chip (which is exactly what Tyrion used her as, which is what Cersai herself was used as when she was wed to Robert.)  I agree that she should have made other arrangements for her children to tuck them safely away, but at least on the subject of the menfolk marrying their women off as a bargaining chip in political maneuvers, she and I agree.

Haha about Osha and Hodor.  I can't imagine a woman as sharp as Osha would truly fall for a man that only says "Hodor", but I think she does like his sweet nature.

Oh, do you want to hear my pet theory about Jon Snow?  Please keep in mind that this is only my theory (not something revealed yet in the books or anything like that) but I don't think he's really Ned Stark's son! I don't remember how much they fleshed out the story of Jon's arrival to Winterfell in the show, and I'm pretty sure that they've said next to nothing about Lyanna (Ned's sister) in the show, so the show may never go into this even if I'm right, but I think that Jon Snow is actually Lyanna's son, conceived when Lyanna was taken by Rhaegar (Danerys' older brother) which would mean that Jon Snow and Danerys are related.  You need to read the books so that we can speculate about this together!!!  ;D

ETA:  Oh yeah, just read a FMK about Tyrion Lannister, Jon Snow, and Robb Stark. 
http://jezebel.com/5912401/fuck-marry-kill-the-men-of-game-of-thrones?tag=fmk (http://jezebel.com/5912401/fuck-marry-kill-the-men-of-game-of-thrones?tag=fmk)
I totally disagree though, I would kill Jon Snow, F Robb Stark, and marry Tyrion. 


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 28, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Spoiler wise how far can I go into the Song of Ice and Fire, just keeping with the tv series or the books? Just incase don't read below unless you want to, but I wont ruin anything big.

I have gone off the TV series since episode 5 of this series (still watching it though), it moved too far away from the books and has gotten rid of certain characters such as Reek, Jojen reed and Meera Reed, which are kind of important as they are the reasons for why Bran travels beyond the wall and why Theon makes the decision to have the Stark kids killed (well the illusion that they have) and eventually looses control over Winterfell, and an event that saves Davos Seaworths life. Also showing Robs wife this early on kind of ruins the massive event that happens in the third book. The events that happen with Danerys what the fuck is that all about? And Jon Snow why didn't they just play it like the books, its far better and intense and much shorter leaving more time for Tyrion.

[Ali] With Jon Snow you are way off, or are you  ;) But seriously, Way off.

The reason the Hound is scared of fire is because his brother pushed his face into a fire as a kiddah for some reason that I can't remember, it also builds up for an event with Dondarrion. Though I agree it is a bit stupid seeing as the knights are so fire happy.

Arya, Jon Snow, and Tyrion are easily my favorite characters in the books, but Tyrion, Davos, and Melisandre are my favorites in the TV show.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 28, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
OOoooh, yes, this thread is definitely needed!  LOVE Game of Thrones.

Heh.  I knew I'd bag you!

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Okay, so Tyrion.  Tyrion is tough and brave (yet another reason to be gaga in love with him - he's definitely my favorite character.)  He's really the only Lannister I like, or that seems to have any shred of decency in him.  He also owned that battle with his battle ax.

I haven't read any of the books so this is all pure speculation on my part, but I'm beginning to think that Tyrion is the only Lannister with any real skills in battle or politics.  Daddy Lannister is impressive but he seems to be in the habit of coming to a big battle only at the end when he's certain of being on the winning side, Cersai is determined and ruthless but not very clever and Jaime's fighting, tho bloodthirsty, seems limited to a way with dirty tricks.  

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Also, the injury in the book is a lot worse than the injury on the show, although I won't tell you about it unless you want me to (in case you want to read it for yourself.)

I already picked that up in a spoiler elsewhere (I am a spoiler whore) and I was wondering how they'd manage the makeup for it if they went with it.  I'm really glad they didn't -- too ghoulish.

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Re: Cersai getting pissy about Tyrion sending Myrcella away.  I think they go more into this in the book than the show, but I think Cersai kind of explains her objections to this in the recent scene where she is talking to Sansa about how she and Jamie were so much alike in childhood, but when he came of age he was to be the heir to Casterly Rock and given a sword and honors, and she was "sold like a horse to be ridden whenever he felt like it." (or something like that.)

I think they made that pretty clear in the show but honestly, it doesn't ring true for me.  Political marriages for high born children are part of their culture -- she'd already made one for Joffrey, I don't see how she'd think she could spare Mycella.

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Haha about Osha and Hodor.  I can't imagine a woman as sharp as Osha would truly fall for a man that only says "Hodor", but I think she does like his sweet nature.

Along with his other natural attributes.  You remember the "Hodor's been swimming" scene?   :o

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Oh, do you want to hear my pet theory about Jon Snow?  Please keep in mind that this is only my theory (not something revealed yet in the books or anything like that) but I don't think he's really Ned Stark's son! I don't remember how much they fleshed out the story of Jon's arrival to Winterfell in the show, and I'm pretty sure that they've said next to nothing about Lyanna (Ned's sister) in the show, so the show may never go into this even if I'm right, but I think that Jon Snow is actually Lyanna's son, conceived when Lyanna was taken by Rhaegar (Danerys' older brother) which would mean that Jon Snow and Danerys are related.  You need to read the books so that we can speculate about this together!!!  ;D

I'm so glad you mentioned that because that's exactly the impression I'm getting!  Frankly, I think Lyanna ran away to be Rhaegar's mistress when she found out her brother and father were planning to marry her off to Robert, and who can blame her?  (my nickname for Robert is The Hairpile)  Then she died in childbirth (as many of these women seem to do) but not before making Ned promise to protect Jon and conceal his identity.  I'm sure she was aware that Robert was killing every Targaryen he could find and doubted that he'd spare her baby.

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ETA:  Oh yeah, just read a FMK about Tyrion Lannister, Jon Snow, and Robb Stark.  I totally disagree though, I would kill Jon Snow, F Robb Stark, and marry Tyrion.  

I'd go with marrying Jon Snow (he's away a lot, I think I could live with that), fucking Tryion and killing Robb Stark.  Sorry, Robb.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 28, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Spoiler wise how far can I go into the Song of Ice and Fire, just keeping with the tv series or the books? Just incase don't read below unless you want to, but I wont ruin anything big.

As I've mentioned, I am a spoiler whore so you don't need to worry about my reaction.  I'm sure anybody else who jumps into this thread will speak up about their preferences.

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[Ali] With Jon Snow you are way off, or are you  ;) But seriously, Way off.

Nuts.

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Arya, Jon Snow, and Tyrion are easily my favorite characters in the books, but Tyrion, Davos, and Melisandre are my favorites in the TV show.

Haven't read the books but will go with Tyrion, Bronn and Arya as my favorite characters.  Have a feeling I'm going to warm up to Brienne real quick too, and Joren's not so bad (a little stiff perhaps).  Varys is another that may sneak into my affections.

Truly dislike the Hound and that terrible brother of his, I could drop kick all the Greyjoys into the middle of the ocean and I can't wait to see Stannis dead.  For some reason I have a hard time taking either Cersai or Joffrey seriously enough to dislike them, they're just too cartoonish.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 28, 2012, 07:13:14 PM
Truly dislike the Hound and that terrible brother of his, I could drop kick all the Greyjoys into the middle of the ocean and I can't wait to see Stannis dead.  For some reason I have a hard time taking either Cersai or Joffrey seriously enough to dislike them, they're just too cartoonish.

I wish I was reading the books for the first time after reading that comment. Out of the above mentioned in the quote only two character get knocked off, but one is on the ropes, and the greyjoys change for the better with the introduction of Euron Greyjoy.

The relationship between Brienne and Jamie is good and I really want to know what has happened to them both. Varys is also one of my favorite characters and even though the character disappears for a bit he comes back with vengeance.

I don't envy the writers or producers of the TV series, they have one complex piece of work to try wrap their heads around.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on May 28, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
I think they made that pretty clear in the show but honestly, it doesn't ring true for me.  Political marriages for high born children are part of their culture -- she'd already made one for Joffrey, I don't see how she'd think she could spare Mycella.
 

True, but in their culture Joffery definitely gets the better end of that deal.  The King Can Do As He Likes, you know? Maybe she was just hoping that she could be involved in the process so that she could represent Myrcella's interests better.  I kind of do buy her anger, especially since Tyrion even addressed the culture piece of it "You could say that's what she (Myrcella) was born for..." and Cersai was basically like "Yeah, but fuck that."

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I'm so glad you mentioned that because that's exactly the impression I'm getting!  Frankly, I think Lyanna ran away to be Rhaegar's mistress when she found out her brother and father were planning to marry her off to Robert, and who can blame her?  (my nickname for Robert is The Hairpile)  Then she died in childbirth (as many of these women seem to do) but not before making Ned promise to protect Jon and conceal his identity.  I'm sure she was aware that Robert was killing every Targaryen he could find and doubted that he'd spare her baby.

That's EXACTLY my thought process too, although Crow seems to think that we're way off.   ;D  Heck, that even leaves the door open to the same sort of arrangement that the Targaryens always married brother and sister when they ruled.  Danerys and Jon aren't brother and sister, but if they are both Targaryens....Although frankly I think Jon will probably end up with Ygritte.

Crow, ugh, really?  Do you know for sure that we're wrong, or maybe has it just not been revealed yet in the books?  How far along are you?  I just finished Clash of Kings this morning, and will be starting the next one soon, although I have a couple of books that I may read in between because they will go really quickly and then I can get back to the heavier (or anyway, longer) stuff.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 28, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
Crow, ugh, really?  Do you know for sure that we're wrong, or maybe has it just not been revealed yet in the books?  How far along are you?  I just finished Clash of Kings this morning, and will be starting the next one soon, although I have a couple of books that I may read in between because they will go really quickly and then I can get back to the heavier (or anyway, longer) stuff.

Read all of them so far. Though it may not matter even if you were correct it all depends on the next book, the last book left on one big cliff hanger. It does hint at who his mother is throughout via the different stories and is Ashara Dayne, I think. There is a lot to try and remember but it isn't cemented so you may be right, but even in the first book it mentions that Jon Snows mother was a high born who threw herself from a window and that is Ashara Dayne and was also Eddard Starks lover prior to getting married.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 28, 2012, 10:06:17 PM
The main reason I don't think the Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon Snows parents is due to the fact that there is more than one Targaryen already on the scene. Then again though Jon Snow seems to be the main character throughout the books so maybe it could be true, from bastard to king, sounds like a curve ball that might get thrown.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 29, 2012, 03:22:09 PM
Since we have actual book readers on this thread, I had a couple of questions for them:

I know there are some characters (Roz) and some situations (Arya being Tywin's cup bearer) that were not in the books but created specifically for the series.  Are there any others?

That Masked Lady from Quarth -- when she refers to Jorah having betrayed Dany before, is she being cryptic or did I miss something?  I don't recall Jorah ever betraying his Khaleesi.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on May 29, 2012, 03:59:37 PM
I can't think of any others off the top of my head.  Robb Stark meeting that girl that he likes on the battlefield hasn't happened yet in the books, but I think Hubby said that's from the 3rd book, which I just haven't read yet.

I actually don't remember the masked lady in Quarth telling Dany that Jorah would betray her again, but in the book (I think it was the book - the problem with reading the book at the same time as watching the series is that I sometimes get them mixed up in my head) she said that she would be betrayed 3 times.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on May 29, 2012, 05:25:07 PM
The main reason I don't think the Rhaegar and Lyanna being Jon Snows parents is due to the fact that there is more than one Targaryen already on the scene. Then again though Jon Snow seems to be the main character throughout the books so maybe it could be true, from bastard to king, sounds like a curve ball that might get thrown.

I keep stumbling over the above bolded.  Who is the other Targaryen?  Have I just not stumbled across him/her yet? 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 29, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
The main situations I can think of that were in the television series but not in the books are the scenes with littlefinger in his whorehouse, I liked them as they gave littlefinger some depth and why he betrayed Eddard Stark. The first series and first book are very similar, the only thing different from the first season and the first book that I can remember was how Eddard Stark was injured after leaving the whore house, in the book his horse fell on him and the series he was attacked.

I watched the latest episode last night and was massively dissapointed with the battle, the hound did look like a proper sissy, you don't get that from the book. As Ali said Robs wife isn't in the second book and hardly in the other books as Rob isn't really a pivotal character.

(spoiler on the Jorah thing)
Yeah basically Jorah was giving information about Dany to Westeros and is how the assassin from the first series/book tracked her down. This isn't revealed until the 4th book (i think, it could be the 3rd though), and is the reason that leads to Jorah and Tyrion meeting.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 29, 2012, 05:43:14 PM
I keep stumbling over the above bolded.  Who is the other Targaryen?  Have I just not stumbled across him/her yet? 

Its in the second half of the 3rd book.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: AnimatedDirt on May 29, 2012, 06:21:33 PM
Love this show!  I am rewatching the first season as I'm keeping up with season 2.

It is a complicated story!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 30, 2012, 04:06:15 AM
Love this show!  I am rewatching the first season as I'm keeping up with season 2.

It is a complicated story!

And they've gotten so many good actors involved.  I started watching mainly for Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage -- 2 actors I've been a fan of for a long time -- and when I found out Charles Dance was joining season 2 playing Tyrion's father, I nearly hyperventilated.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2012, 05:19:38 AM
OK, that season finale was very satisfying -- touched bases with everyone and didn't leave so many loose ends that it was frustrating rather than tantalizing.  In no particular order:

Brienne putting down 3 armed rogues, finally wiping the smug look off Jaime's face and replacing it with a little respect.  Not quite sure how she planned to dig graves for those hanged women -- use her sword?  make Jaine dig with his hands?  (loved her ordering Jaime to stay, as if he were a dog)

Dany getting her dragons back.  I knew those dragons were going to toast the warlocks (or I guess just one warlock with a lot of copies) eventually, but I didn't expect it to be quite that cool.  I guess beautiful young women with fire-breathing dragons are inherently cool.  Also loved Jorah's bit about taking all the gold and jewels, finally bringing joy to the Dothraki's hearts.

And speaking of the joy of taking what's not yours, Theon's pirates.  I guess Theon's miserable old man was right about him being more Stark now than Greyjoy -- looking on death in battle as honorable and noble, esp. with an escape route ready to be taken, is a Stark attitude.  A Greyjoy, like any pirate, is just there to grab other people's stuff and take off.  Still, Theon's little "band of brothers" speech was a good one and it was nice of his lt. to let him finish before whacking him on the head.

Back to the Dothraki, I was surprised but very glad to see Drogo return, if only for a moment and in a vision.  That was a sweet scene between him and Dany, and I loved the look on Drogo's face when he realized she was going back to take care of the living people and dragons waiting for her.  A very convincing look of resignation and heartbreak.  I'm still annoyed, however, that the series chose to follow that sickening TV trope of rape victims falling in love with their rapists.  I understand the book played Dany and Drogo's first night together very differently and I do wish they'd kept that.

I was glad to see Tyrion's little friend apparently faithful to him but I can't help thinking it won't end well -- it just has a feeling of set up about it.  Like Robb Stark's marriage to his doctor friend, I'm glad a Stark is finally getting a little happiness in life but I can't believe it'll last. 

I might as well mention Sansa here.  As much as I dislike both her and the Hound, it makes no sense to me that she would stay in King's Landing rather than leave with him when she had the chance -- true she would have only gone home to a place in smoking ruins but at least she would have been with someone willing to protect her without taking advantage of her.  Now she's been offered a chance to escape by Littlefinger and, altho he's not nearly as trustworthy as the Hound where Sansa is concerned, it has to be better than remaining under Joffery's thumb.  For that matter I don't understand why Tyrion is choosing to stay either.  Because he's good at messing with bad people's heads?  He can do that anywhere.

Arya is the only one whose choice to stay when she's offered the chance of something better I can understand.  She has to find her mother and brother and, reluctantly, her sister.  Once she's satisfied herself that they're OK I imagine it would be right off to Bravos and apprenticeship among the Faceless Men so she can get the training she needs to bump off everyone on that growing list of hers.

I was very sorry to see Maister Luwen (?) die, I was hoping he'd last to the end of the series.  And poor Osha, Hodor, boys and wolves, walking north in hopes of safety while the White Walkers are marching south in hopes of who knows what.  What in the world do zombies need with conquest anyway?  Perhaps they're under the control of the King Beyond the Wall, whom I'm assuming is Benjen Stark.

And am I the only one who's sick of zombies?  Isn't their 15 minutes up yet?

I'm a little puzzled about why killing that other "crow" would cause the northern wildings to suddenly trust Jon Snow.  I don't understand what difference that's supposed to make.

It was inevitable that Bronn should lose his place when Tyrion lost his but I do hope he's still around.  He's a fun guy and Tyrion needs someone to puncture his sentimental bubble when he gets carried away with it.

That's all I've got right now.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 07, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
BCE you have got some things spot on in what may happen in the next series (some wrong as well but not many). But I'm not going to tell you which because where is the fun in that and the TV series plays events out differently.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: hismikeness on June 07, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
My wife and I watched an episode from Season 2 the other night. It had the previously on Game of Thrones opening, and I was like, I don't remember any of this!!

Then she told me that she watched two episodes after I fell asleep in my chair, so I have a few to catch up on.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
But I'm not going to tell you which because where is the fun in that and the TV series plays events out differently.

Killjoy.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 07, 2012, 04:08:17 PM
BCE - Great write up.  I agree with everything you said. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 08, 2012, 12:26:11 AM
And am I the only one who's sick of zombies?  Isn't their 15 minutes up yet?

Not half, I don't get the fascination with them either.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 08, 2012, 03:39:46 AM
OK, book readers, I have more general questions.

It embarrasses me a little that these are the issues that truly plague me about Arya, but they are:  I don't care if it happens in the series or not, but in the books is Arya ever reunited with her direwolf, and does she get her sword, Needle, back?

Also, I'm very curious about how people who've read the books feel about the actors now playing the roles.  I know when I read a novel I automatically form an imagine in my mind of the characters, not just how they look but how they sound and even move. 

So what's your opinion of some of the casting?  Is the actor living up to the image, falling short, or exceeding it?  If it's different from what you imagined, is that an improvement or just . . . different?  If the casting went far afield of the books description, is that a good thing or is it jarring?  And finally, has the transition from book to TV show affected how you feel about some of the characters?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 08, 2012, 04:16:28 PM
I am only through the second book so far, but so far Arya doesn't have her direwolf or her sword back.  I do suspect that she will be reunited with Nymeria though, because the book has made a lot of noise about fearless gangs of wolves terrorizing the nearby countryside, and she just happens to be fairly close to the area where she drove Nymeria away in the first book.  I suspect that Nymeria is leading the local wolf pack like some sort of wolf warrior princess.  :)

I started reading the books after I watched the first season of the show, so I already had it set in my mind that, for example, Arya looked and acted the way that Maisie Williams plays her.  So, I think that the casting is good, but I might have felt differently if I had read the books first.  Hard to say.  I will say that Tyrion is described as being pretty unattractive in the books (more so than just short statured) and as you know I think Peter Dinklage is dead sexy.  So that's a bit of a difference, but I love Peter Dinklage and I'm glad that he plays Tyrion. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 10, 2012, 03:00:08 AM
I suspect that Nymeria is leading the local wolf pack like some sort of wolf warrior princess.  :)

I love this idea!

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I will say that Tyrion is described as being pretty unattractive in the books (more so than just short statured) and as you know I think Peter Dinklage is dead sexy.  So that's a bit of a difference, but I love Peter Dinklage and I'm glad that he plays Tyrion. 

They say that's been the biggest shock of the show, how many people are finding Peter Dinklage dead sexy.  Of course, I've been on board with that for years, I even had a dream about him once (giving the lie to a movie Dinklage himself appeared in where his character claimed that no one dreams about dwaves).  I'm not sure anyone but Dinklage could have played this role so well, and I seem to remember reading that he was GRRM's own choice to play Tyrion.

In any case, I have a theory I'm working on about Margery, who now has the unpleasant job of becoming Joffrey's wife.  When that twist first came up I wasn't upset about it despite my fondness for Margery, and I've realized that's because I think that if anyone can ride herd on Joffery, it's probably her.

I see Margery as being an improved version of Cersai -- both are ambitious and determined, but Margery lacks the paranoia and self-absorbtion that causes the Queen Regent to make so many mistakes.  Also, I don't think Cersai is anywhere near as smart as she thinks she is, whereas Margery really is as sharp as a tack.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 10, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
BCE your pretty good at this guessing game, your not quite right but you are very close, lets me just say Cersai and Margery are birds of a feather in more ways than one.

Arya got needle back. She always has wolf dreams like her brothers Bran and Jon but she isn't on the same continent so that reunion hasn't happened as of yet.

I watched the first series first then read all the books back to back. Its strange because as I started out reading the books my mental image was the same as the TV characters but quickly changed. I like the casting for the TV series and also like the characters that are in my head, they don't conflict at all except for Daenerys, the actress who plays her has more of a soft motherly quality and I just cant buy into her as the character, plus she looks too old (though that makes total sense of why they did that). I think Dinklage and the girl who plays Arya exceed in the roles, Dinklage has just made that character his own and does it fantastically whilst capturing the essence of the character perfectly even though the description couldn't be any more different. The actress who plays Brienne is better than what I thought, as is Melisandre and Davos. There are a few things I think the book does better in terms of characters but the series has some stronger points, Ned Stark being the perfect example, in the tv series he was very likable but in the book the character got on my tits.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 10, 2012, 04:41:51 AM
Arya got needle back. She always has wolf dreams like her brothers Bran and Jon but she isn't on the same continent so that reunion hasn't happened as of yet.

re: Needle.  Yay! 

re: Nymeria.  At least I have hope.

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There are a few things I think the book does better in terms of characters but the series has some stronger points, Ned Stark being the perfect example, in the tv series he was very likable but in the book the character got on my tits.

Heh.

For my private amusement, I'm working on a dead pool -- guessing who dies when, how and by whose hand.  So far I haven't been guessing too well on that, since I had Maester Luwin living to the end of the series and Joffrey dying in the riot.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 14, 2012, 11:45:50 AM
For my private amusement, I'm working on a dead pool -- guessing who dies when, how and by whose hand.  So far I haven't been guessing too well on that, since I had Maester Luwin living to the end of the series and Joffrey dying in the riot.

What are your guesses?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 14, 2012, 03:48:48 PM
For my private amusement, I'm working on a dead pool -- guessing who dies when, how and by whose hand.  So far I haven't been guessing too well on that, since I had Maester Luwin living to the end of the series and Joffrey dying in the riot.

What are your guesses?

Well, my guessing here is very random and the how and by who tend to be where the amusement comes in:

Tywin Lannister.  As much as I hate to lose Charles Dance, I'm guessing he goes early in season 3.  I'm thinking he dies of a massive stroke when Tyrion tells him that his (Tywin's) wife faked her own death, and is the woman Ned Stark had an affair with during Robert's Rebellion, making her Jon Snow's mother.

Robb Stark.  I'm thinking he dies soon too (I'm getting tired of him).  I have him either killed by Ygritte when she mistakes him for Jon Snow, or tripping and falling on Theon's sword in some way that manages to impale them both.

Dany.  She survives to the very end of the series when she's accidently set on fire by one of her dragons.  (I may have to rethink that one in that she seems to be immune to dragon fire as well as regular fire).

Joffrey.  He has to die soon because I can't stand him another second.  I don't care how it happens just as long as it happens.

The Hound.  Drinks himself to death at the beginning of season 5 after stalking Sansa all thru seasons 3 and 4.

Cersai.  I'd like her to die soon too, but I have the feeling she'll outlast everyone.  Damn it.

Jaime Lannister and Brienne.  They become mismatched lovers and either end up the King and Queen of the 7 kingdoms, or they become the leaders of an army and die early in season 4 while fighting zombies.  In any case, mismatched lovers -- I really want to see that.

That's all I've got right now.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 14, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
haha you got 4 and a half correct, rather impressive. Though miles away on the hows.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 14, 2012, 04:33:15 PM
Hahahaha BCE.  I love:

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Joffrey.  He has to die soon because I can't stand him another second.  I don't care how it happens just as long as it happens.

Hmmm, okay, my predictions for who dies and how:

Shae - Varys kills her "for the good of the realm" driving Tyrion to madness (and possibly inducing him to kill Cersai and/or Joffrey since he thinks it was at Cersai's command.)

Cersai - see above.

Sam (can't remember his last name - Jon Snow's fat craven friend) - Killed by White Walkers while doing something uncharacteristically brave, showing that he wasn't so craven after all.  Cements Jon's allegiance with the Wildlings (the enemy of my enemy....)

Littlefinger - killed or at the very least stabbed by Caitlyn Stark just because that's a good way to end an episode.  Can't you picture it?  Littlefinger on the ground dripping in blood, Caitlin standing over him with a dagger in her hand, hair all crazy and messed up from the struggle, determined look on her face, cut to black and start the somber end music.

Stannis - Killed by....I don't really care who.  He's another one that I'm just happy to see gone. 

Shaggydog - because it's symbolic to keep killing off the Stark wolves, and Shaggydog is the one we have the least emotional connection to.  Previews will show a wolf being killed, and we'll be anxious thinking that it's Nymeria or Summer Wind, and then secretly glad when it turns out that it's just Shaggydog.



Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 14, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
ooo Ali not as good you only got 1, though its by the same person who gets one on BCE's list and is well good.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 14, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
So it's gotta be Cersai or Joffery....  :-X
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 14, 2012, 07:22:23 PM
So it's gotta be Cersai or Joffery....  :-X

You better get reading.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 15, 2012, 03:09:59 AM
So it's gotta be Cersai or Joffery....  :-X

You better get reading.

Oh, please please please please let it be Joffrey!  I can put up with Cersai if I have to -- I don't like it, but I can do it -- but I just can't stomach Joffrey any more.


haha you got 4 and a half correct, rather impressive. Though miles away on the hows.

Yeah, I was just playing with the hows.  But can you at least tell me which of the double guesses was half right?  And if Jaime and Brienne really end up together, at least once (the man needs more variety in his life than just his own sister).  Throw me a bone!

Shae - Varys kills her "for the good of the realm" driving Tyrion to madness (and possibly inducing him to kill Cersai and/or Joffrey since he thinks it was at Cersai's command.)

Hmmm, I don't care for the Shae killing part (I want her going back to Pentos and finally persuading Tryion to go with her) but I love the Cersai/Joffrey double killing.

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Littlefinger - killed or at the very least stabbed by Caitlyn Stark just because that's a good way to end an episode.  Can't you picture it?  Littlefinger on the ground dripping in blood, Caitlin standing over him with a dagger in her hand, hair all crazy and messed up from the struggle, determined look on her face, cut to black and start the somber end music.

This is wonderful.  I have trouble remembering Littlefinger when he's not on the screen, but the scene you've described is fantastic.

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Stannis - Killed by....I don't really care who.  He's another one that I'm just happy to see gone.

Don't know how I forgot Stannis, I hate him nearly as much as Joffrey and even more than Cersai!   Sadly, he's another one who'll probably last and last and last, probably end up married to that damn Cersai too.  If I had my way, Stannis and Lord Greyjoy would secretly poison each other in the first episode of season 3 while pretending to negotiate an alliegance.

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Shaggydog - because it's symbolic to keep killing off the Stark wolves, and Shaggydog is the one we have the least emotional connection to.  Previews will show a wolf being killed, and we'll be anxious thinking that it's Nymeria or Summer Wind, and then secretly glad when it turns out that it's just Shaggydog.

Awww, I'll still be sad if it's Shaggydog, even if I don't know which one he is.  Is he darker or lighter than Summer Wind?  And what's the name of Robb's wolf?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 15, 2012, 10:09:09 AM

haha you got 4 and a half correct, rather impressive. Though miles away on the hows.

Yeah, I was just playing with the hows.  But can you at least tell me which of the double guesses was half right?  And if Jaime and Brienne really end up together, at least once (the man needs more variety in his life than just his own sister).  Throw me a bone!


Its a bit more difficult than that, they both want each other and save each others life more than a few times but you will really dislike Lady Stoneheart. And she appears to Jamie in the most recent book and asks him to join her again and he does buts that's all that is known.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 15, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
Oh, do you want to hear my pet theory about Jon Snow?  Please keep in mind that this is only my theory (not something revealed yet in the books or anything like that) but I don't think he's really Ned Stark's son! I don't remember how much they fleshed out the story of Jon's arrival to Winterfell in the show, and I'm pretty sure that they've said next to nothing about Lyanna (Ned's sister) in the show, so the show may never go into this even if I'm right, but I think that Jon Snow is actually Lyanna's son, conceived when Lyanna was taken by Rhaegar (Danerys' older brother) which would mean that Jon Snow and Danerys are related.  You need to read the books so that we can speculate about this together!!!  ;D

Since the first book I also got the impression that Jon Snow wasn't Ned Stark's son! Though I also had the nagging feeling that he was Robert Baratheon's, made stronger by Stark's secrecy and unwillingness to talk about his mother. That was till before sending Jon to the Wall Ned told him that even though he didn't have his name, he had his blood so I think that your theory is quite possible. Not too sure about the Targaryean, though. They talk alot about physical characteristics associated with the Houses, which is what started to put Joff's lineage into doubt in the first place. Targaryens are more silvery blond whereas Baratheons have a darker compexion. Maybe Robert's and Lyanna's?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 15, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
That Masked Lady from Quarth -- when she refers to Jorah having betrayed Dany before, is she being cryptic or did I miss something?  I don't recall Jorah ever betraying his Khaleesi.

Me too, I was wondering when that betrayal happened. ??? Maybe it'll show in later books when it comes back to haunt Jorah in some way?

Edited to add: nevermind, Crown mentioned it ;D Why was he selling info to Westros? Was it a good intentioned thing gone wrong or was he trying to find a way - any way - to get his lands back, even if it meant betraying Daenerys and cementing an alliance with whoever?

Anyways, What about the character Jaqen H'ghar? Is there any characther smoother and cooler than that? ;D
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on June 15, 2012, 08:50:48 PM
Why was he selling info to Westros? Was it a good intentioned thing gone wrong or was he trying to find a way - any way - to get his lands back, even if it meant betraying Daenerys and cementing an alliance with whoever?

Because Eddard Stark ordered his death or (something similar) for being a slave trader but he escaped across the water, thus making him an outlaw and he wanted to get back in favor so he could go home. Daenerys was just a young girl at the time with no money, no ships, an army that was scared of water, and would no doubt leave her if Drogo died (as they did).

If you can remember in the series he receives a pardon which gives him suspicion of the wine merchant. That's basically highlighting they had no use for him any more and they were going to try and kill Daenerys.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 15, 2012, 09:01:19 PM
Anyways, What about the character Jaqen H'ghar? Is there any characther smoother and cooler than that? ;D

Agreed.  I like the way he talks "A man would...." and I like his hair.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 16, 2012, 05:15:19 AM
Anyways, What about the character Jaqen H'ghar? Is there any characther smoother and cooler than that? ;D

Agreed.  I like the way he talks "A man would...." and I like his hair.

Well, it's not his hair any more, and his face isn't as pretty either.  It's a shame, that -- I liked the way he looked as Jaqen too.  I wonder if the Faceless Men can change appearance to the extent of changing (or appearing to change) gender?  That'd be quite the party trick!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 16, 2012, 06:16:39 AM
Anyways, What about the character Jaqen H'ghar? Is there any characther smoother and cooler than that? ;D

Agreed.  I like the way he talks "A man would...." and I like his hair.

Well, it's not his hair any more, and his face isn't as pretty either.  It's a shame, that -- I liked the way he looked as Jaqen too.  I wonder if the Faceless Men can change appearance to the extent of changing (or appearing to change) gender?  That'd be quite the party trick!

Yeah, I just reached that part in the book, when he "dies" as Jaqen. Is he a king? When Arya was questioning him before she named him as the third death, she made it sound as if he was ???


Why was he selling info to Westros? Was it a good intentioned thing gone wrong or was he trying to find a way - any way - to get his lands back, even if it meant betraying Daenerys and cementing an alliance with whoever?

Because Eddard Stark ordered his death or (something similar) for being a slave trader but he escaped across the water, thus making him an outlaw and he wanted to get back in favor so he could go home. Daenerys was just a young girl at the time with no money, no ships, an army that was scared of water, and would no doubt leave her if Drogo died (as they did).

If you can remember in the series he receives a pardon which gives him suspicion of the wine merchant. That's basically highlighting they had no use for him any more and they were going to try and kill Daenerys.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I remember the bit about Ned Stark but overlooked the part with the wine merchant.
Title: Game of Thrones Attack Ads <3
Post by: Ali on June 21, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
For my fellow GoT-ers.

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Post by: Crow on June 21, 2012, 11:13:19 PM
Some others for you.

What If 'Game of Thrones' Was a Buddy Comedy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvfDqF0-2yg).

Game of Thrones the Rom-com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f-w98pNAi9A)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 22, 2012, 01:14:36 AM
^^Hahahahahahhaha "Coming Soon.  Just like winter."
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on July 16, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
CROW!!!!  Eeeeeeeeeeee!  Book 3 is sooooooo good.  Almost done with it, so I had to go out on my lunch hour and buy four and five.  I don't want to spoil anything for BCE so I won't say what happens but ZOMA!

1.  Joff's wedding
2. The Frey's betrayal
3.  Jaime!!!!  (Who I actually love now.)
4.  Jaime telling Tyrion about Tysha and the...errr....fallout.
5.  All the stuff with Jon Snow and the Wall
6.  Stannis (who I don't exactly like, but who I hate less now.)

I just got done reading the part where Jaime tells Tyrion about Tysha and he....erm....reacts.  :-X Eeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on July 16, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
CROW!!!!  Eeeeeeeeeeee!  Book 3 is sooooooo good.  Almost done with it, so I had to go out on my lunch hour and buy four and five.  I don't want to spoil anything for BCE so I won't say what happens but ZOMA!

1.  Joff's wedding
2. The Frey's betrayal
3.  Jaime!!!!  (Who I actually love now.)
4.  Jaime telling Tyrion about Tysha and the...errr....fallout.
5.  All the stuff with Jon Snow and the Wall
6.  Stannis (who I don't exactly like, but who I hate less now.)

I just got done reading the part where Jaime tells Tyrion about Tysha and he....erm....reacts.  :-X Eeeeeeeee!

 ;D Its amazing isn't it! You got to the part with Tyrion and the crossbow or are you referring to Tyrions answer to his brother?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on July 16, 2012, 08:46:15 PM
CROW!!!!  Eeeeeeeeeeee!  Book 3 is sooooooo good.  Almost done with it, so I had to go out on my lunch hour and buy four and five.  I don't want to spoil anything for BCE so I won't say what happens but ZOMA!

1.  Joff's wedding
2. The Frey's betrayal
3.  Jaime!!!!  (Who I actually love now.)
4.  Jaime telling Tyrion about Tysha and the...errr....fallout.
5.  All the stuff with Jon Snow and the Wall
6.  Stannis (who I don't exactly like, but who I hate less now.)

I just got done reading the part where Jaime tells Tyrion about Tysha and he....erm....reacts.  :-X Eeeeeeeee!

 ;D Its amazing isn't it! You got to the part with Tyrion and the crossbow or are you referring to Tyrions answer to his brother?

Crossbow.   :-X
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 17, 2012, 01:44:51 AM
CROW!!!!  Eeeeeeeeeeee!  Book 3 is sooooooo good.  Almost done with it, so I had to go out on my lunch hour and buy four and five.  I don't want to spoil anything for BCE so I won't say what happens but ZOMA!

Oh, please please spoil me!!  I'll never read the books and I'm going crazy waiting for season 3.

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1.  Joff's wedding
2. The Frey's betrayal
3.  Jaime!!!!  (Who I actually love now.)
4.  Jaime telling Tyrion about Tysha and the...errr....fallout.
5.  All the stuff with Jon Snow and the Wall
6.  Stannis (who I don't exactly like, but who I hate less now.)

I just got done reading the part where Jaime tells Tyrion about Tysha and he....erm....reacts.  :-X Eeeeeeeee!

Just as long as the Wall doesn't fall on him -- I like Jon.  Tysha was Tyrion's teenage bride, right?  The one he told the story about to Bronn and Shae?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on July 17, 2012, 03:41:18 AM
CROW!!!!  Eeeeeeeeeeee!  Book 3 is sooooooo good.  Almost done with it, so I had to go out on my lunch hour and buy four and five.  I don't want to spoil anything for BCE so I won't say what happens but ZOMA!

Oh, please please spoil me!!  I'll never read the books and I'm going crazy waiting for season 3.

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1.  Joff's wedding
2. The Frey's betrayal
3.  Jaime!!!!  (Who I actually love now.)
4.  Jaime telling Tyrion about Tysha and the...errr....fallout.
5.  All the stuff with Jon Snow and the Wall
6.  Stannis (who I don't exactly like, but who I hate less now.)

I just got done reading the part where Jaime tells Tyrion about Tysha and he....erm....reacts.  :-X Eeeeeeeee!

Just as long as the Wall doesn't fall on him -- I like Jon.  Tysha was Tyrion's teenage bride, right?  The one he told the story about to Bronn and Shae?

The Wall doesn't literally fall on him, although it could be argued that it falls on him in a metaphoeical sense.   :D

Yes, Tysha was Tyrion's teenage bride.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Non Quixote on July 23, 2012, 11:09:22 PM
A few friends had recommended the series to me and since I don't have cable TV anymore I went to the Web and dowloaded the first season.  I watched the first episode and it really intrigued me with the mysterious black wall and the scary monsters, all set against a medieval backdrop.  I have to say however that by the end of the season I had lost all interest.

The monsters are whispered about but are never seen again after the first episode.  The supernatural aspect falls by the wayside completely.  The episodes become all about court intrigue and boobs (not that I don't love boobs, but I have the internet for that).  Court intrigue and social dynamics bore the crap out of me, although with the popularity of reality TV I know that they fascinate most of the rest of the planet.

And then to dirtnap the show for me completely, they kill off Sean Bean, who was half the reason that I was even still watching!

Oh well, if we all liked the same things the planet would get pretty boring, pretty quickly.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 24, 2012, 03:47:21 AM

This is probably going to be totally spoiler laden -- I'm a complete spoiler whore so I have a hard time judging -- and therefore I'm leaving space for anybody who hates spoilers and hasn't seen season 2 yet.

















That should be enough.


The monsters are whispered about but are never seen again after the first episode.  The supernatural aspect falls by the wayside completely. 

The supernatural aspect comes on full force in season 2, altho there's still plenty of court intrigue, etc.  We have dragons, zombies (unfortunately, I'm not a fan of the walking dead) who are under the control of those White Walkers mentioned in season 1, wizards, witch-priestesses and the Faceless Men who seem supernaturalish.

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And then to dirtnap the show for me completely, they kill off Sean Bean, who was half the reason that I was even still watching!

I feel your pain -- Seal Bean was one of the two reasons I started watching despite the fact that I don't care for George R. R. Martin's writing at all.  But they have some other good actors involved, including Charles Dance whom I absolutely adore. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on July 24, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
A few friends had recommended the series to me and since I don't have cable TV anymore I went to the Web and dowloaded the first season.  I watched the first episode and it really intrigued me with the mysterious black wall and the scary monsters, all set against a medieval backdrop.  I have to say however that by the end of the season I had lost all interest.

The monsters are whispered about but are never seen again after the first episode.  The supernatural aspect falls by the wayside completely.  The episodes become all about court intrigue and boobs (not that I don't love boobs, but I have the internet for that).  Court intrigue and social dynamics bore the crap out of me, although with the popularity of reality TV I know that they fascinate most of the rest of the planet.

And then to dirtnap the show for me completely, they kill off Sean Bean, who was half the reason that I was even still watching!

Oh well, if we all liked the same things the planet would get pretty boring, pretty quickly.

If you want the supernatural element read the books, the TV series only contains a very small amount of it but its still not really the primary focus, its really a story about the ruling class in a fantasy based world. If you don't like plotting and betrayal where any character can be killed of I wouldn't recommend the books either but if you do but wanted more supernatural then check them out.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Non Quixote on July 25, 2012, 12:15:58 AM
If you want the supernatural element read the books, the TV series only contains a very small amount of it but its still not really the primary focus, its really a story about the ruling class in a fantasy based world. If you don't like plotting and betrayal where any character can be killed of I wouldn't recommend the books either but if you do but wanted more supernatural then check them out.
Not really a fan of the whole court intrigue thing, i.e. the plotting, the usurpation, the double dealing, who's boinking who, etc.

But then I find reality shows beyond boring as well.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 25, 2012, 05:23:18 PM
Are we waiting for season 3 or season 4 to begin?  I thought it was 3, but then I realized that I've already seen 3 finales, unless I'm misremembering something.  I get so confused by these long hiatuses.  In any case, since NQ's interest is the fantasy stuff, I'd suggest skipping season 2 (except for the finale, when I think the dragons were born) and giving season 3 a try.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on July 25, 2012, 05:40:47 PM
Haha BCE.  You confused me!  I thought Season 3 as well, but then you mentioned 3 season finales, and I seem to remember 3 as well.....

But then I googled it.  We were right the first time, Season 3 is next.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 25, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
Haha BCE.  You confused me!  I thought Season 3 as well, but then you mentioned 3 season finales, and I seem to remember 3 as well.....

But then I googled it.  We were right the first time, Season 3 is next.

Then we're remembering one too many finales.  I wonder how that happened?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on January 07, 2016, 09:59:23 PM
I'm sure there's a later GoT thread, but I can't find it.  Probably got eaten in the Great Meltdown.  Anyway, here are a few tidbits to tide us over:

Eight crazy fan theories (https://www.thereadingroom.com/article/the-8-craziest-game-of-thrones-fan-theories/1262)

GoT related jokes (http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/jon-snow-patrol#.fy6awP7z0)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on January 08, 2016, 12:17:06 AM
I'm sure there's a later GoT thread, but I can't find it.  Probably got eaten in the Great Meltdown.  Anyway, here are a few tidbits to tide us over:

Eight crazy fan theories (https://www.thereadingroom.com/article/the-8-craziest-game-of-thrones-fan-theories/1262)

GoT related jokes (http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/jon-snow-patrol#.fy6awP7z0)

How would you like it to progress?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on January 08, 2016, 03:31:38 AM

How would you like it to progress?

I'll have to think about that -- my opinion about a number of things and characters has changed since season 3.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on January 08, 2016, 09:56:37 AM
I think they could stand to kill off some more of those characters I disapprove of... Though I suspect that at least one of them will emerge alive at the curtain call.

In general, I no longer find the cast too disagreeable, so now I can start having problems with the story and such.

What I want to see more of: The dwarf, the overly tall knight-lady, the crippled kid and the dragon mother's nips. What I would not lament to see die forever: Theon and Sansa. I find them both insufferable enough to actually remember their names between seasons.

The big burned guy. I liked that one too. And the now-blind girl. I wonder if the actress portraying her will do an equally good job of playing a blind person.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 04, 2016, 03:36:58 AM
Well, I'm sure this will never happen, but:

Still want Brianne of Tarth (The Asmo's overly tall knight lady) and Ser Jamie to become a thing.  Doesn't need to be romantic.

Cersai needs to stay in jail forever, tho I know realistically she'll be out and about soon enough, ham-fistedly causing trouble.  She's just too good a bad guy to leave alone.

That Dorne bitch (you know which one I mean) needs to die screaming along with most of her daughters.  Strongly suspect, tho, that they'll be killing the crippled Prince and either taking over or, more likely, putting a puppet of their choosing on the throne.

No longer as impressed with Dany as I was.  I don't dislike her, but she needs a lot more seasoning.

I'm hoping Tyrion, Ser Jorah and the assassin guy team up and make their way to King's Landing to sort that place out.  Ultimately, I'd like to see Tyrion on the Iron Throne with Varys as his hand but know this will never happen.  Would also like to see Davos Seaworthy in that mix somehow.

The Red Witch needs to be eaten by rats, and poor dead Jon needs to stay dead.  I love him, but I'm tired of characters coming back to life.  Enough already.

I'm actually losing interest in Arya (The Asmo's little blind girl).  Never thought it could happen, but it is.  Unless she gets her sight, her sword and her wolf back, I don't see that changing.

I don't know about Margaery and the littlest Cersai/Jamie bastard.  I like them, but just can't think of anything I want them doing unless they rule King's Landing first and then Tyrion takes over.

Bronn needs not to die, both Boltons need to die.  I'd like to see Bronn cancelling both of them out.

Also losing interest in the wandering Starks and their followers.  I suppose Bran could end up leading those under-the-Earth people, but I have to admit I've never been interested in them.  Their only plus is they're not as disgusting as the White Walkers.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 04, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
While we're waiting:  What is your Game of Thrones disorder? (http://nichtzufassen.com/what-is-your-game-of-thrones-disorder/)

I got Jon's social awkwardness: When it comes to verbal behaviour you're not the biggest fan, but you also like to avoid eye contact and interactive gesture when you aren't familiar with a person. Previous social encounters gone wrong may keep you from wanting to open up to others and contributes to your fear of being judged. You remain active with others, yet slightly odd, even though most people find it greatly endearing. (other than the endearing part, I really can't argue with that)

By the way, when does the next season start?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 04, 2016, 08:31:36 AM
My Game of Thrones disorder: Clinical Sociopath.

You have Ramsay Bolton's sociopathy! Holy cow, you are one intense individual, and conforming to social norms is something you steer away from at all costs. You don't like to respect authority or the law unless it's your own, and punishment isn't such a bad thing to you if you're benefiting from it. You are meticulous planner and remain quite cunning with friends and foe, but your more 'shallow' emotions make it rough for you to connect with normal people that aren't quite on your level.

Cool I could be a CEO.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 04, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
PTSD - Survival Mode

You have Sansa's Stark's PTSD! Let's be honest, with all of direct exposure Sansa has been exposed to we're pleased to admit that she seems to be in survival mode much like yourself. Maybe after a negative experience your sleep pattern is disturbed and you develop some unfortunate beliefs about yourself and the world, but in this circumstance your brain is only hijacked. After you've been through a rough patch you continue to pick yourself up again and fight back as you've done in the past. You like to face your external reminders and confront what you've gone though, instead of suppressing it and becoming a slave to symptoms.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 04, 2016, 10:49:46 AM
By the way, when does the next season start?

I would like to know this myself, the last season has left us with a bunch of interesting cliffhangers!  ;D I don't think the 6th book on which it would be based has been released yet, so they're probably all enjoying an extended holiday. Unfortunately.

Edited to add: I was wrong, yay! ;D

From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_6)):

The sixth season of the fantasy drama television series Game of Thrones was ordered by HBO on April 8, 2014, together with the fifth season, and is scheduled to premiere on April 24, 2016. In contrast to the previous seasons, it largely consists of original content not found in George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, but also adapts material from the upcoming sixth novel in the series, The Winds of Winter, as well as some content from the fourth and fifth novels, A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 06, 2016, 10:54:45 PM
Does Tyrion die?! His face appears at the end of this teaser clip.  :watching:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 07, 2016, 01:03:28 AM
^^ I'm refusing to even think of this, it's too horrible.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 07, 2016, 06:23:44 AM
Agreed. Tyrion is the best character in GoT, imo.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 07, 2016, 02:55:40 PM
It is Game of Thrones. I'm expecting the white walkers or the Boltons to become the new rulers.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 07, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
It is Game of Thrones. I'm expecting the white walkers or the Boltons to become the new rulers.

I'm betting on the Targaryans.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 08, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
It is Game of Thrones. I'm expecting the white walkers or the Boltons to become the new rulers.

I'm betting on the Targaryans.

I'm putting my money on the White Walkers. They are fitting to the system of nothing is what it seems, they are introduced as the enemies but you don't really know what they are doing. Whilst those that are developed from the beginning as the heroes are failures or not what they seem.

Plus Bran and the Night's King hook up:
(http://i.imgur.com/DTV0P9X.gif)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 09, 2016, 04:15:39 AM
Looks like Bran's legs have also recovered and he's aged enough to be unrecognizable.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 09, 2016, 11:04:32 AM
^I know! If it weren't for the eyebrows I would never have guessed it was Bran.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 09, 2016, 11:08:03 AM
Trailer's out:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 09, 2016, 11:24:19 AM
Looks like Bran's legs have also recovered and he's aged enough to be unrecognizable.

I was thinking it was a dream of some sort as he has lots of them. However I also remembered it is Game of Thrones where it brings back more characters from the dead than The Walking Dead and I can't imagine they would leave him under a tree untill the end so legs should be easy. They haven't developed any of the warg stuff either so its not like they are just going to shoehorn that in.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 10, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
I can't wait.  :daddance:

What about Jon? Do you guys think he's going to be revived?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 10, 2016, 10:18:39 PM
I can't wait.  :daddance:

What about Jon? Do you guys think he's going to be revived?

Yeah, maybe not revived as they haven't done it in the show (I don't think they have anyway) but I suspect he survives in some way. Would be a bit of an odd point to drop the character simply as it would be a lot of exposition gone. Unless it was to simply build the foundations for the next story similarly to how Ned Stark was as exposition for royalty and give a basis for the other characters.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 15, 2016, 07:42:31 PM
Best recap ever (seasons 1-4):


 :P
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 15, 2016, 10:14:45 PM
I can't wait.  :daddance:

What about Jon? Do you guys think he's going to be revived?

Yeah, maybe not revived as they haven't done it in the show (I don't think they have anyway) but I suspect he survives in some way. Would be a bit of an odd point to drop the character simply as it would be a lot of exposition gone. Unless it was to simply build the foundations for the next story similarly to how Ned Stark was as exposition for royalty and give a basis for the other characters.

What about that group of men Arya meet, Brothers of something or other?  Didn't their leader have a priest of the same religion as the Red Witch, who brought him back to life whenever he was killed in combat?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 15, 2016, 10:33:45 PM
What about that group of men Arya meet, Brothers of something or other?  Didn't their leader have a priest of the same religion as the Red Witch, who brought him back to life whenever he was killed in combat?

I'd forgot about that in the tv series.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2016, 12:49:25 AM
Yes, the Red Priest's name is Thoros of Myr and he brought Beric Dondarrion back from the dead quite a few times. I also think he revived Catlynn Stark after the Red Wedding though I am not sure.

A fan theory regarding Jon Snow's fate is that Stannis' Red Priestess, Melisandre, will use the same power to revive Jon because he will be useful to her somehow in the upcoming book. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 16, 2016, 04:00:26 AM
Yes, the Red Priest's name is Thoros of Myr and he brought Beric Dondarrion back from the dead quite a few times. I also think he revived Catlynn Stark after the Red Wedding though I am not sure.

Catlynn Stark, just the person I want still alive.   :o

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A fan theory regarding Jon Snow's fate is that Stannis' Red Priestess, Melisandre, will use the same power to revive Jon because he will be useful to her somehow in the upcoming book.

Oh, whoopie.  Just what the Jon character needs, to become a brainless toy.  At this point the only person I'd be happy to see revived, if necessary, is the Hound.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
Yes, the Red Priest's name is Thoros of Myr and he brought Beric Dondarrion back from the dead quite a few times. I also think he revived Catlynn Stark after the Red Wedding though I am not sure.

Catlynn Stark, just the person I want still alive.   :o

 ;D She's Lady Stoneheart now.  :zombie: She appears in the 'A dance with dragons' but was dropped from the show. Probably will appear in season 6. 

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A fan theory regarding Jon Snow's fate is that Stannis' Red Priestess, Melisandre, will use the same power to revive Jon because he will be useful to her somehow in the upcoming book.

Oh, whoopie.  Just what the Jon character needs, to become a brainless toy.  At this point the only person I'd be happy to see revived, if necessary, is the Hound.

Why the Hound?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 16, 2016, 06:57:47 PM

Why the Hound?

I like his face.  I know that doesn't make any sense, but there it is.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 16, 2016, 08:54:52 PM
I also like the Hound. Since we never actually saw him die, I'm hoping he shows up again.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 16, 2016, 09:13:42 PM
I also like the Hound. Since we never actually saw him die, I'm hoping he shows up again.

Yeah, left for dead is hardly conclusive, esp. on this show.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on March 31, 2016, 08:17:06 PM
This new series better be good, it has been soooo long.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 01, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Another teaser:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 15, 2016, 09:33:48 AM

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on April 25, 2016, 11:19:57 PM
Liked the first episode, saggy tits an all.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 25, 2016, 11:20:38 PM
Random thoughts on epi 6.1:

* Glad it opened on Davos Seaworth, and Jon's few remaining friends.  I've been thinking mainly of them since season 5 ended.  Davos rapidly becoming very high on my favorites list. Also thought having Ghost howling thru most of the opening scene was very effective. 

Favorite line:  "Does the wolf know you?  You need all the help you can get."

* If I had jumped from anything like the height Sansa and Theon did, and managed to survive, I'm quite certain I wouldn't be able to walk, much less run.  If the show explained how they managed to survive their fall, I missed it.

* Yay for Brienne of Tarth and the multi-talented Podrick!  Yay also for Theon managing to get enough balls back to help out in the fight.  Loved the scene of Sansa and Brienne exchanging vows, esp. the cute moment when Pod needed to prompt the inexperienced Sansa.  I think Christie did a wonderful job of expressing with just her face Brienne's relief and happiness at realizing her dream of being a real knight for a worthy lord or lady who actually took her seriously.

* Sigh.  I keep waiting for Jaime and Cersai to have a falling out but they're still together, and it's getting worse.  On the other hand, I think the Sand Snakes deserve Jaime and Cersai at their worst.

* Oh, those Sand Snakes!  I knew from the beginning that Dornan was headed for a nasty killing, that was apparent from Ellaria's attitude, but I still resent the hell out of those snakes.

* Not nearly enough of the Tyrion and Varys show.  Better than nothing tho.

* It's very fortunate that the Dothraqi have rules about not touching Khals' widows, but a real shame they lock them away.  That's a spanner in the works.  And I suppose Dany's dragon is still recovering from the wounds he received during their escape, which is why he wasn't around being a spanner himself.

* I'm glad to see that the Faceless Men are still training Arya, blind beggar tho she's become.  I wonder if the merciless trainer girl is another face of Jaqen's?

* "And some mutton."  Not much of a hunter, is he?  Oh, I am so looking forward to watching this fight!

*  The Red Witch -- maintaining that much of a change in her physical being must take a lot of power.  Did she give up using all that power for the night in order to reserve it for something really momentous, like bringing Jon back from the not-so-recently dead?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 26, 2016, 01:29:10 AM
I don't like Jon being dead. The story line of the upcoming war with the white walkers is the one of the more interesting ones for me at this point. If he's gone, I feel that will end up on a back burner while the kingdoms bicker amongst themselves some more. Which is goddamn tiring, especially with so few likable characters left. And if they are bringing him back... Maybe I'm pessimistic but I don't see how they can without it coming off forced and weird.

I took the mutton question to be a test - they offered him a horse, implying that he'd be cared for if he surrendered. He asked for real supplies, and they weren't prepared to answer. Ergo they are not actually planning to accept surrender, but to slay them all.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 26, 2016, 01:29:37 AM
* If I had jumped from anything like the height Sansa and Theon did, and managed to survive, I'm quite certain I wouldn't be able to walk, much less run.  If the show explained how they managed to survive their fall, I missed it.

I think they jumped into water? But even so, jumping into a river from that high up would kill them just the same.

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* Yay for Brienne of Tarth and the multi-talented Podrick!  Yay also for Theon managing to get enough balls back to help out in the fight.  Loved the scene of Sansa and Brienne exchanging vows, esp. the cute moment when Pod needed to prompt the inexperienced Sansa.  I think Christie did a wonderful job of expressing with just her face Brienne's relief and happiness at realizing her dream of being a real knight for a worthy lord or lady who actually took her seriously.

This was the best scene in my opinion.

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* Oh, those Sand Snakes!  I knew from the beginning that Dornan was headed for a nasty killing, that was apparent from Ellaria's attitude, but I still resent the hell out of those snakes.

Me too. Tristan probably deserved to die, though, being as stupid as he was. The moment he turned his back on one of them I just knew what was going to happen. 

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* Not nearly enough of the Tyrion and Varys show.  Better than nothing tho.

Agreed. More Tyrion!  8)

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*  The Red Witch -- maintaining that much of a change in her physical being must take a lot of power.  Did she give up using all that power for the night in order to reserve it for something really momentous, like bringing Jon back from the not-so-recently dead?

I can't wait to see!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 26, 2016, 01:34:30 AM
I don't like Jon being dead. The story line of the upcoming war with the white walkers is the one of the more interesting ones for me at this point. If he's gone, I feel that will end up on a back burner while the kingdoms bicker amongst themselves some more. Which is goddamn tiring, especially with so few likable characters left. And if they are bringing him back... Maybe I'm pessimistic but I don't see how they can without it coming off forced and weird.

I took the mutton question to be a test - they offered him a horse, implying that he'd be cared for if he surrendered. He asked for real supplies, and they weren't prepared to answer. Ergo they are not actually planning to accept surrender, but to slay them all.

Maybe the White Walkers are meant to be the only ones left standing after all the Houses destroy themselves? That would be interesting. Anyways I think that Davos and Melisandre have an important role to play in that upcoming battle.   
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 26, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
And if they are bringing him back... Maybe I'm pessimistic but I don't see how they can without it coming off forced and weird.


They've already established that Red Priests can do this, but not after someone has been a corpse for a day or two as Jon has.  That's what makes me think she was abandoning her youth for the night to store up as much power as possible.  If I'm remembering right, the Red Priest with those Bannerless guys was wiped out after resurrecting the leader after only a few minutes of death, so bringing Jon back should really throw Mel for a loop. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on April 26, 2016, 10:41:29 AM
They've already established that Red Priests can do this, but not after someone has been a corpse for a day or two as Jon has.  That's what makes me think she was abandoning her youth for the night to store up as much power as possible.  If I'm remembering right, the Red Priest with those Bannerless guys was wiped out after resurrecting the leader after only a few minutes of death, so bringing Jon back should really throw Mel for a loop.

In the book there is a character that doesn't appear in the TV show and they got brought back after being dead for quite a while. She is  the leader of the red priest and their band and they kill the people they meet and see if they can be brought back to life. It is also suggested that the tone is the source of the witches power, it flashes when she is poisoned, flashes when she took it off and flashes pretty much everytime she does anything.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 29, 2016, 07:57:26 AM
A couple of things I'd like to see happen in season 6 (not that they will) based on the first episode:

*the Stark forces fight the Bolton forces and take Ramsey captive.  Sansa sentences him to death and, in keeping with her father's teaching, borrows Brienne's sword and beheads him herself;

*without the calm, fair-minded Dornan at the helm, Dorn quickly falls into chaos and corruption.  Correctly blaming Ellaria, she's killed by a disgruntled mob, the Sand Snakes are run out of Dorn and end up all joining different sides in the War of Assorted Kings.

Anyone else?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 30, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
I would like to see Arya go back to Westeros and avenge her family. I think she's more likely to kill the Boltons than Sansa.

It's probably far-fetched, but I would like to see Sansa beat Littlefinger at his own game. He's much better at the game of thrones than her but she is learning. In the end I think they both will be locked in a battle for the North. The Stark family suffered so much that it would be nice to see something good come their way.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on April 30, 2016, 03:03:39 PM
The butcher's boy will spontaneously reanimate
Not through self serving appeals to cruel gods.
The proletariat yearns for justice, he will rise.
Butcher's boy feeling not up to it slips away.
He resuscitates Roz, moves somewhere nice.
Grows grapes and sells amateur pornography.
                           
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 02, 2016, 06:43:42 AM
Ok.  That was a lot of regime changes in one hour.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 02, 2016, 01:22:59 PM
Yeah, I don't really know how I feel about that.

I liked the bit with Tyrion and the dragons though.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 02, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Just hurry up and kill all the religious twats, want to see that big fella fuck them all up. That is all I want from the series at the moment.

I would like them to maybe focus on a few less characters per episode though. feel like everyone is getting their 10 mins and would be nice to see a bit more progression with a few characters. They could probably have done all the John Snow stuff last episode whilst saving Arya and introduction of Crows Eye and re-introduction of Bran to this week and fleshed them out a bit more.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 03, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
Random thoughts on episode 6.2:

*I knew the three-eyed raven looked familiar, but didn't realize till this epi that it was Max von Sydow.  Nice going, GoT.  Interesting tidbit of information that one can not only warg into things but thru time as well.  Or at least Bran and the Raven can.  Also interesting to find that Hodor's name is Willis -- I hope they tell us someday what made him go all 'hodor'.

*I have to admit it, I feel cheated out of that fight between Ser Davos and Ser Allister that I was so looking forward to.  By the way, since most of the Watch have been dismissed from service and sent South, does that mean that the Wildlings are now guarding the Wall?  Not that I don't think they'll do a good job of it -- they've got as much reason as anyone to keep the White Walkers out -- it just seems extremely weird, even to me.

*Not sure why Tommen can't just order the Faithful tossed out, isn't he in charge of the guards?  And the Faithful don't seem to be all that popular with the citizens, so I can't imagine there'd be any uprising on their behalf.

*Don't at all care for Tommen asking Cersai for advice.  That's like asking for directions from someone called Wrong Way McCoy.

*Ah, Tyrion and the dragons!  That was my favorite scene and had my favorite line, "If I ever get another idea like this, punch me in the face".  I guess he's trying to establish himself as the dragons uncle and win their loyalty -- I hope he's better than Dany at keeping them from frying and eating livestock and people.  (btw, has anybody else heard about a theory, apparently getting quite popular, that Tyrion really is a bastard and that his father was a Targaryn?  I think this is a fun idea.)

*Everyone saw the end of Roose Bolton and his second family coming -- even me, and I hardly ever see anything coming.  Not at all sorry for Roose, that's what you get when you nurse a viper in your bosom.  Sad for Walda and the baby tho.  That poor woman just had no luck at all with her relatives, either by blood or marriage.

*Can't understand why Theon wants to go home -- I can see why he wouldn't want to hang around Winterfell or meet up with Jon Snow, but the Iron Islands don't seem any more appealing.  If I were him, I'd try to find some sort of monastery to take me in and spend the rest of my life repenting and lying low.  I just have a bad feeling he's going to end up chained to Ramsey again.

*Speaking of the Iron Islands, that uncle of Theon and Yarra's sounds deeply unstable.  Not that anyone is going to miss Old Man Greyjoy, what a miserable pain in the ass he was.  And what's this business of Yarra having to compete for leadership of the Iron Islands?  That doesn't seem to be the usual thing, but I couldn't make out what the sea priest was saying about it.

*So Mel did bring Jon back to life after all.  As soon as she finds out about it her crises of faith will be over and there'll be no shutting her up.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 03, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
I think part of the deal with dragons is that they do fry poor farm boys and such. Yet having them will go a long way toward holding power. Which puts Dany, who wants to be benevolent and beloved, in quite a situation. That's been one of the more interesting story points to me, and I'm hoping they go somewhere with it.

Not crazy about her being lost with the Dothraki. Just seems slow and unnecessary.

I am annoyed by how predictable that episode was.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 03, 2016, 03:51:45 PM

I am annoyed by how predictable that episode was.

I'm still surprised at how many people they got rid of this episode -- either killed off or run off.  I wonder if this happened in the books too, or if it's all D&D?  I know they're supposed to be taking over the story entirely soon since they're running out of book, and this felt like somebody making a clean sweep of things.

Just hurry up and kill all the religious twats, want to see that big fella fuck them all up. That is all I want from the series at the moment.


I don't understand how they can possibly have so much power -- doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 03, 2016, 11:13:32 PM
Interesting tidbit of information that one can not only warg into things but thru time as well.  Or at least Bran and the Raven can.

The next episode looks to cover a fan theory about Jon Snow going from the preview. So we might find out who his father actually is because of Bran.

I don't understand how they can possibly have so much power -- doesn't make sense to me.

It is something that is really well covered in the books because you get it from two different perspectives. Essentially they existed a long time ago and were hunted down due to the trying to overthrow the king of the time, because they see only their gods as the rulers and thus no need for kings if they exist and are a militant force. Because Cersei is an idiot – yes she is suppose to be stupid – agrees with the Septon to put them back into action as she owes them money and thinks she could use them as her personal army and can be manipulated. But a lot of knights who are fanatics flock to them and they arm the people and give them a sense of power they arrest margery see through her games and arrest her as well. (Slightly different to the show but the structure of them appears to be pretty much the same).

*Speaking of the Iron Islands, that uncle of Theon and Yarra's sounds deeply unstable.  Not that anyone is going to miss Old Man Greyjoy, what a miserable pain in the ass he was.  And what's this business of Yarra having to compete for leadership of the Iron Islands?  That doesn't seem to be the usual thing, but I couldn't make out what the sea priest was saying about it.

Oh Aeron is well off his head, like pretty much all the religious people in the show. The Iron Islanders have a sort of democratic process called the kingsmoot where they have to persuade the majority to side with them. Here is a link to the information of Crow's eye that wil lead you onto all the details of all the little details that would obviously have to be glossed over for time. (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Euron_Greyjoy#A_Feast_for_Crows)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 09, 2016, 12:25:31 AM
Distressingly accurate

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 10, 2016, 08:00:17 AM
Random thoughts yada yada:

*First and foremost, hooray for the return of Diana Rigg!  Hope she sticks around a long while.  And cuts Cersai's legs out from under her while she's at it.

*I knew there'd be no stopping the Red Witch once she got her confidence back.  Jon said he saw and felt nothing after dying, and she's still rattling on about the Lord of Light and her prophecies.  At least she's much prettier than Ken Hamm.

*Poor Sam should really lie down and close his eyes, that's best for seasickness.  At least, it's best for dizziness and I assume it'd work for seasickness as well.  I'm glad Sam is fulfilling his dream of being a maester, but can maesters marry?  I can't remember if I've seen this on the show.  It'd be nice if Sam could marry Gilly, but in any case I suppose he can have her around after he graduates or whatever, marry her secretly as Catholic priests sometimes do.

*I remain convinced that the screaming young woman Ned heard after killing Ser Whoever was Lianne giving birth to Jon Snow, and that she was not kidnapped but ran away with Raeger (?) willingly rather than be married to Robert Barathenan.  My fingers are crossed that we'll find out for sure next week.

*Still, that fight was a nasty bit of disillusion for Bran, his first realization that Ned had clay feet like everyone else. 

*And a little surprised to see that the Dothraki warriors are still being assholes to Dany after finding out who she is.  Interesting that it's the former khalessis that control their society from the seclusion of the Big Hut.  Seems a miserable life to me, nevertheless.

*Varys' birds are kids, which seems a very iffy proposition even it does have literary precedent (I thought immediately of the Baker St. irregulars). 

*They gave up the Ser Robert Strong pretense very quickly.  What was the point of calling him that in the first place?

*And Cersai continues her reign of ego-driven foolishness.  So tired of her crap.  To the book readers: does Jaime ever speak up or try to sort her out rather than just going along with it?

*Tommen really is the bending reed, isn't he?  Can't decide whether it's because he's still just a kid, or if this is his basic nature.  Please let Margeary get out of jail soon and take over being the last person he talks to in any situation.

*OK, so Jaquen and the Waif aren't the same person -- unless Jaquen can be two people at once and at this point I wouldn't put it past him.  And what was the business with Arya, the bowls and the pitchers?

*Is Umber loyal to the Starks or not?  He's not kow-towing to Ramsey, but he's giving him Rickon and the Wildling.  And poor Shaggy Dog.  So confused.  Still, he had my favorite line of the episode: "Your father was a cunt".

*I have to admit that I feel sorry for Olly as well -- he's the only one whose motives I can sympathize with at all.

*So Edd is now Lord Commander of the Watch?  Without even asking if he wants that job, and I'm not sure he does. 

*Assuming Jon is heading back to Winterfell, while Sansa et al is heading toward the Wall and Bran is . . . where again?  I know he's under a tree but is he north or south of the Wall?  I can't remember.  This sounds like a lot of unnecessary confusion.  And how much does Jon know about what's going on with the war and everyones relationships?  I'm assuming he knows Sansa didn't marry Joffrey, but does he know she was briefly married to Tyrion, then to Ramsey and is now wandering around?  How much information do those crows carry here and there?  What I'm hoping happens is that Jon meets Sansa on the road and they whip together a resistance to the Bolton forces.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 10, 2016, 08:30:31 AM
*And Cersai continues her reign of ego-driven foolishness.  So tired of her crap.  To the book readers: does Jaime ever speak up or try to sort her out rather than just going along with it?

The whole Jamie, Cersai, Brienne, Stanis, Sansa stuff is totally different in the books. Jamie sacked Cersai off ages ago and went chasing after Brienne. There are quite a lot of characters that don't exist in the TV series so bits are significantly different.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 10, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
*And Cersai continues her reign of ego-driven foolishness.  So tired of her crap.  To the book readers: does Jaime ever speak up or try to sort her out rather than just going along with it?

The whole Jamie, Cersai, Brienne, Stanis, Sansa stuff is totally different in the books. Jamie sacked Cersai off ages ago and went chasing after Brienne. There are quite a lot of characters that don't exist in the TV series so bits are significantly different.

Interesting.  I hope D&D eventually pick that up.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 10, 2016, 10:52:54 AM
Interesting.  I hope D&D eventually pick that up.

Could be tricky, when I say it is different I mean it is really damn different.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 10, 2016, 11:27:33 PM
Was anyone else slightly pissed that they brought Jon back from the dead?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 10, 2016, 11:31:04 PM
*I remain convinced that the screaming young woman Ned heard after killing Ser Whoever was Lianne giving birth to Jon Snow, and that she was not kidnapped but ran away with Raeger (?) willingly rather than be married to Robert Barathenan.  My fingers are crossed that we'll find out for sure next week.

Yes, as far as I remember in the books it is Ned's sister lying in a pool of blood, though I don't think the book mentions that it is due to childbirth - most probably it is though (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm hoping Jon goes from knowing nothing to learning something about his lineage this season.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 11, 2016, 05:35:29 AM
Was anyone else slightly pissed that they brought Jon back from the dead?

I was against it, but by the time they actually did it I was so used to the idea that it would happen that I didn't care anymore.  They wore me down.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 16, 2016, 09:11:08 PM
This last episode should be named "Déjà vu" I get the feeling I've seen that ending before...  :thoughtful:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 16, 2016, 09:41:31 PM
Yeah, I'm actually quickly reaching a point where I don't give a damn anymore. There are too many story lines going on at once, too little time to devote to each of them. It's becoming teadous to watch.

Might work if it were on twice a week, but I feel like we're going to get to the end of the season with no real advancement in the plot overall.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 16, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
George Martin mentioned that he wants to write seven books, so there's still quite some "sausage filling" to go on before something comes to its conclusion. So far it's been plenty of filling and not much meat, especially where the Daenerys storyline is concerned.  ::)

I think the only true and relevant plot advancement in all these 6 seasons so far is that the Baratheons were annihilated (Gendry, Robert's bastard son, is supposedly alive but has disappeared from the show and there's nothing to indicate that he'll be showing up again). 

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 17, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
I haven't really enjoyed this series at all. Maybe I would have been the same with the others if I hadn't read the books but it lacks subtly and there is basically no charm it doesn't feel in keeping, the only bit that felt even close to the other series was the Tyrion bit with the meeting but that felt a bit forced as well, there is almost no intelligence in the conversations or manipulation, it all seems very straightforward and bleh. I know they aren't working from material this time and now are working from loose plot outlines but it isn't working for me. With the bits they changed in other seasons it is really having an effect in a negative way to the overall story and slightly feels they are going with fan service now as the main storylines are completely different. How do they go from a source material where everything was about to happen to a material where nothing is really happening and they aren't giving any time to the characters to develop smoothly.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 17, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
Random thoughts on 6.4:

*I'm wondering if I've just not noticed it before, or if they've started doing theme episodes.  The theme of this one was brother/sister reunion, with a sub-theme of sister wants to fight/brother wants to pack it in.

*Sansa/Jon reunion very sweet, and from the way Sansa is talking I think I might actually get my Sansa-executes-Ramsey scene.  It sounds like Sansa is ready to fight the Boltons' 5K army even if it's just her, Brienne and Pod, but they may turn out to have equal numbers with 2K Wildlings, however many still loyal Northerners and the Vale forces.

*Was it just my imagination, or was Tormund giving Brienne some serious eye action?  It looks like Tormund would have come South of the Wall earlier if he'd known there were girls his size there.

*Loved Brienne's verbal smack down of the Red Witch, hope it doesn't backfire on her.  She didn't tell Davos about what happened to Shireen, which must be making Mel nervous.

*Both Robin Arryn and Rickon Stark are growing up very weedy looking.  Unfortunate.

*I appreciate that Tyrion is taking the diplomatic approach, but the whole situation with the slaves never made sense to me and still doesn't.  If they plan to reimburse the slavers for the freed slaves anyway, why not do it now rather than make the slaves wait 7 yrs to be freed?  The slavers won't be out of pocket (and hiring their former slaves as salaried employees would probably be cheaper than buying and maintaining slaves), the former slaves won't be hostile about lack of progress and those who were re-enslaved won't be rebellious over 7 more damn years in chains.  Then Tyrion could get right to work on that ending war problem.

*A little startled that Daario's knife went straight thru a man's thick mid-section and came out the other side -- the blade did not look anywhere near long enough.

*So predictable that the High Sparrow once lived a debauched life -- the people who go the furthest out always come the furthest back in.  Stick sensibly to the middle of the road and you're pretty much guaranteed to avoid ridiculous fanatical ping-ponging.

*I'd much rather have Olenna Tyrell plotting against Cersai, but I'll accept an alliance if it gets Margeary back at the helm faster.

*Margaery/Loras reunion very sad.  Loras reduced to deflated balloon man.

*Theon/Yarra reunion very touching, my favorite of the episode.  It's an indication of how Greyjoy I've become that my automatic response to Yarra's comment about Theon being dead a long time was "what is dead may never die".  Altho Dorne clearly has the superior climate, I think in the GoT world I would have been an Iron Islander.

*Poor, brave Ossa got a nasty end -- finally brought back into the story just to be permanently dispatched.  She did have my favorite lines of the episode tho:  "You eat them after?  [No]  Then I've seen worse."

*The Khals made it so hard for me to sympathize with them that I didn't even care about the repeat of Dany's magic fire trick.  Tho it did bring up some interesting questions:

  a.  does this mean that Dany is The Stallion That Will Mount the World?,
  b.  how fast would the Red Witch's brain pop if she saw Dany's fire trick?, and 
  c.  is it possible that Dany is also The Prince That Was Promised by the Lord of Light? 

I get the feeling this is spade work for a political consolidation of West and East.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 17, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
I haven't really enjoyed this series at all. Maybe I would have been the same with the others if I hadn't read the books but it lacks subtly and there is basically no charm it doesn't feel in keeping, the only bit that felt even close to the other series was the Tyrion bit with the meeting but that felt a bit forced as well, there is almost no intelligence in the conversations or manipulation, it all seems very straightforward and bleh. I know they aren't working from material this time and now are working from loose plot outlines but it isn't working for me. With the bits they changed in other seasons it is really having an effect in a negative way to the overall story and slightly feels they are going with fan service now as the main storylines are completely different. How do they go from a source material where everything was about to happen to a material where nothing is really happening and they aren't giving any time to the characters to develop smoothly.

Maybe also because it's basically a soap opera with costumes?  I probably wouldn't be enjoying it nearly as much as I do if it weren't for many of the actors involved.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on May 17, 2016, 04:53:22 PM
Maybe also because it's basically a soap opera with costumes?  I probably wouldn't be enjoying it nearly as much as I do if it weren't for many of the actors involved.

Exactly, that's what I've said about Shakespeare.
Yet the "critics" ignore Sponge Bob Square Pants.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 17, 2016, 08:54:12 PM
Maybe also because it's basically a soap opera with costumes?  I probably wouldn't be enjoying it nearly as much as I do if it weren't for many of the actors involved.

The last few series felt like a fantasy version of The Wire and The Sopranos (though nowhere near as good) with a little bit of House of Cards thrown in. The writing was its strongest point, fighting was dire and special effects a bit ho hum but there is none of the subtly there any more and it all seems a bit straight forward, no tact, look at the littlefinger scene in comparison to the stuff with Ned Stark or the woman he boots through the door, they were well executed and slow he hides his intentions until forced to show them, this time it was just a show of power in a oh look I'm manipulative, everything kinda feels like that so far.

Maybe when watching the other series as I had read the book I was inferring all the little details onto the characters that are missing from the show, such as Cersei being an idiot but she is well developed to why she is like that, in this series she just comes across as an impatient idiot. Same with Daenerys she is developed as a person that is young and inexperienced learning from her mistakes who is unsure of themselves, wanting to stick to what she thinks is best but also the reality of the situation and whilst her arc becomes boring what is going on around it is interesting, in the tv series there is nothing going on around which is interesting and she comes across as a bit of an ass.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 22, 2016, 11:47:33 PM
I enjoyed this latest episode, "The Door". :popcorn:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 23, 2016, 03:11:29 AM
I'm apparently completely checking out, as I have no real thoughts on this episode but I did get some laundry done, got an ab work out in, and had a thorough discussion of canine nutrition and food sourcing with some friends.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 23, 2016, 12:33:41 PM
I'm apparently completely checking out, as I have no real thoughts on this episode but I did get some laundry done, got an ab work out in, and had a thorough discussion of canine nutrition and food sourcing with some friends.

Do your damn core not just abs. Ruin you back just doing abs.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on May 23, 2016, 02:31:07 PM
I enjoyed this latest episode, "The Door". :popcorn:
Actually, so did I.

I kind of like it when they kill people off in suitably dramatic ways.

That said, what was the deal with the actor dude randomly standing around with his dick out? It's about Game of Thrones being Game of Thrones, I suppose, but there usually was some context behind the nudity in the past.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on May 23, 2016, 06:10:16 PM
I'm apparently completely checking out, as I have no real thoughts on this episode but I did get some laundry done, got an ab work out in, and had a thorough discussion of canine nutrition and food sourcing with some friends.

Do your damn core not just abs. Ruin you back just doing abs.

It's a wheel; 's all good.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 23, 2016, 10:54:53 PM
I enjoyed this latest episode, "The Door". :popcorn:
Actually, so did I.

I kind of like it when they kill people off in suitably dramatic ways.

That said, what was the deal with the actor dude randomly standing around with his dick out? It's about Game of Thrones being Game of Thrones, I suppose, but there usually was some context behind the nudity in the past.

I just have so many questions (many of which I can't remember now), and they now include this dick hanging out dude whom I did not notice at all.

After finding out he'd given the Night King the key to the place and had to leave immediately, why did Bran then waste time on a warg?  Particularly since if he hadn't wasted time on the warg he wouldn't have needed to trigger Hodor in the first place.  Poor Hodor, he lived and died a pawn for others' convenience.  And don't even get me started on how sad I feel about that poor wolf.  Stark servants do not have a good life.

Given that Yarra had enough supporters to steal that huge fleet, how could she lose the Kingsmoot?  Doesn't everybody get to vote, or is it only men or only ship-owning men?

While I continue to be tickled by Brienne and Tormund, I wish they'd drop the usual coy/reluctant storyline and just have Bri jump him for the fun of it.  She's an adult, she has needs, and I can't see anything against it in the Knight's code.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on May 24, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
I just have so many questions (many of which I can't remember now), and they now include this dick hanging out dude whom I did not notice at all.
I think he might simply be a "random extra" story-wise and the whole dick hanging out situation is to balance out some of the boob shots... Although it was more or less directly preceded by one such boob shot, so... Yeah.

I don't get freaked out by nudity by any gender (although there are individuals one would much rather not see naked) but when it comes to storytelling, it should somehow be a part of the story, pretty much like everything else, not just fill for the sake of balance. That was the basis of my question. Perhaps it will answer itself in time if this particular "random extra" gets promoted to characterhood... Time will tell.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Crow on May 24, 2016, 07:03:10 PM
I just have so many questions (many of which I can't remember now), and they now include this dick hanging out dude whom I did not notice at all.

How'd you not notice that. It was a full frame cock and balls.

Poor hold the door. One of the few times I have ever liked back in time stuff, saddest thing in the series for me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 24, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
I just have so many questions (many of which I can't remember now), and they now include this dick hanging out dude whom I did not notice at all.

How'd you not notice that. It was a full frame cock and balls.

My brain has the ability to selectively turn off my eyes and ears any time it wants, while still keeping them working for other things.  I expect I can rewatch that episode till the end of time and never see that guy.

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Poor hold the door. One of the few times I have ever liked back in time stuff, saddest thing in the series for me.

Yeah, that was a wrenching moment.  Two different people texted me when they saw it, but only about something awful happening on GoT so I knew I was in for an emotional episode but I would never have guessed for that.  I think my goddaughter may still be crying -- she was a huge Hodor fan.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2016, 11:21:54 PM
That said, what was the deal with the actor dude randomly standing around with his dick out? It's about Game of Thrones being Game of Thrones, I suppose, but there usually was some context behind the nudity in the past.

I have no clue as to why that was included. :query: It was certainly a "wut the?" moment.

Books, you didn't miss much, it was just one the actors examining his penis and exclaiming that he grew another wart. :lol: Quick scene and most probably null in the greater scheme. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2016, 03:26:57 AM

Books, you didn't miss much, it was just one the actors examining his penis and exclaiming that he grew another wart. :lol: Quick scene and most probably null in the greater scheme.

I remember somebody talking about that, but I did not see a thing.  Thank you, selective blindness.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2016, 07:47:03 AM
Poor hold the door.
Yes, but then... That's what he apparently was for since teenage years. Even changed his name from... Don't remember; Fred or some such.

He was one of the bare handful of characters I didn't have a sadistic desire to see dead, but particularly surprising it was not. Still, one does wish they killed him in a more convincing or, at the very least, less unnecessary manner.

EDIT: Just so I have something to compare with as the series progresses, because the following list is somewhat dynamic, the other characters I would not mind to make it for now are:

The Dwarf. He's still basically me on a good day, only a dwarf. And more entertaining. Yes, he may live.
The elderly Tyrell (?) lady. A kindly grandmother capable of poisoning your ass to a snotty and blue-colored death. Gotta approve of that.
Daenerys' stalker, whos name I never bothered to learn, but who seems acceptable enough.
Arya... At least for now.
The tall lady knight... Brienne? Also, her sidekick.
The king kid, although grow the fuck up or get the fuck off His Divine Survivor-list.

These are off His Divine Survivor-list:
Daenerys. (Was actually never really on the list - she seems like a power-hungry bitch who knows your best better than you do.)
Bran. I suspect he might actually make it all the way through the series, but he's beginning to generate too many "oh, come the FUCK on!" moments with me.
John Snow. Because fuck his broody-ass... Ass.
Sansa. Also never actually on the list, although she actually has a chance of getting on it eventually if she continues her progression from an absolute bitch to a likeable character with an interesting story ark.
Ramsay. Because fuck that psychopathic dick. (Hat off to the actor though. Very well done)
The one-armed Lannister. No reason - I just plainly dislike him.
The ex-queen, although she has a minor chance of returning to His Gray Grace. The reasons are much the same as with Sansa.

...Did I miss any one still alive who's either likeable or vastly annoying? Ah, yes, Uncle Peter. I'm kind of ambivalent to his fate. I think he's more annoying than entertaining, but not completely sure. Same with the weird Italian-looking lord-of-the-skydoor-castle kid.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2016, 09:40:36 AM

...Did I miss any one still alive who's either likeable or vastly annoying?

What about:

Davos Seaworth (currently with Jon Snow, used to be Stannis' right hand man)

The Red Witch (the first one, not the second one)

Dolorous Edd (the guy Jon left in charge of the Night's Watch)

Grey Worm and his girlfriend whose name I can't remember or pronounce

Varys (the eunuch)

Margaery (the boy King's girl Queen)

. . . her brother Loris

Yarra and/or Theon Greyjoy

Jaquen (the head Faceless Man)

Tormund (the Wildling who keeps eyeing Brienne of Tarth)

The Night's King

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
What about:
Excellent! Several names there that just need to be listed - one way or the other.

Davos Seaworth. I find him likeable, yet not significant enough to really care about his fate at this point. He is basically outside the list system for now, but if I had to make a ruling, I'd let him live.

The Red Witch. Kill her. Despite some redeeming qualities, she's not on His Divine survivor list.

Dolorous Edd. See Ser Davos, only with the opposite leaning.

Grey Worm and his girlfriend whose name I can't remember or pronounce. Them I find insufferable. I kind of liked them a season ago, but as I said, my lists of this nature are dynamic.

Varys. Entertaining, but annoying. Kill him, though with a very narrow margin. I'd settle for death, but not of the highly sadistic variety, for him.

Margaery. Power hungry whore with several redeeming qualities. Tough call if I have to make one, but I don't really care.

. . . her brother Loris. Is he the gay and friendly knight guy who unhorsed the huge and unfriendly knight guy some seasons ago? If so, then I don't care in the slightest. He's outside the list system with little chance of making it in one way or the other.

Yarra and/or Theon Greyjoy. Keep the sister, kill the brother. I wouldn't mind giving them a little less screen time to be honest, as I find them rather boring. Alive or dead though... I don't really care enough.

Jaquen. Is already dead, and yet he is not. Benefits of no-oneness, I suppose. The assassins are interesting, so although my survivor list seems inapplicable to them, I don't mind it when they get screen time.

Tormund the Norwegian Guy. Whatever. Let him get more important, then I might make a ruling.

The Night's King. Cool, but I've seen better bad guys. I'm not sure you can call him alive or dead though... More like "existing". Let him... for now.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2016, 01:48:24 PM
Oh! That religious asshole who dresses in rags. Murder his preachy ass soon, please. He's sucking the life out of my fun every second of screen time he gets.

...although he does provide some parallels to our world which we all have the misfortune of inhabiting that are just too good not to be appreciated.

...But someone do please murder his ass slowly for His Divine Amusement.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
Poor hold the door.
Yes, but then... That's what he apparently was for since teenage years. Even changed his name from... Don't remember; Fred or some such.

Willis.

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He was one of the bare handful of characters I didn't have a sadistic desire to see dead, but particularly surprising it was not. Still, one does wish they killed him in a more convincing or, at the very least, less unnecessary manner.

EDIT: Just so I have something to compare with as the series progresses, because the following list is somewhat dynamic, the other characters I would not mind to make it for now are:

I probably should have addressed this before submitting my list of names for Divine consideration.

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The Dwarf. He's still basically me on a good day, only a dwarf. And more entertaining. Yes, he may live.

Whew.  That was a close one.

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The elderly Tyrell (?) lady. A kindly grandmother capable of poisoning your ass to a snotty and blue-colored death. Gotta approve of that.

Lady Olenna Tyrell, the Poison Queen.  Love Diana Rigg in this role.

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Daenerys' stalker, whos name I never bothered to learn, but who seems acceptable enough.

Do you mean Jorah Mormont, the one who now has the deadly skin condition?  A decent guy but a bit of a sad sack.

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Arya... At least for now.

She used to be one of my favorites, now I'm actually starting to like her sister more and I never thought that would happen.

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The tall lady knight... Brienne? Also, her sidekick.

Brienne of Tarth, and her squire Podrick Payne.  Love those two, they're like a comedy act.

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The king kid, although grow the fuck up or get the fuck off His Divine Survivor-list.

Tommen, I don't know if he deserves much consideration.  He's one of those people who's always influenced by the last person they talk to, which is why I think Margaery should be kept around to become the last person who ever influences him.  She's a vixen, but I think she's also well on her way to becoming a younger Olenna.  I say give her time.

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These are off His Divine Survivor-list:
Daenerys. (Was actually never really on the list - she seems like a power-hungry bitch who knows your best better than you do.)

She's remarkably easy on the eyes tho.

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Bran. I suspect he might actually make it all the way through the series, but he's beginning to generate too many "oh, come the FUCK on!" moments with me.

Well, he's a Stark -- brave and noble but not much brains.

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John Snow. Because fuck his broody-ass... Ass.

Also handicapped by Starkness -- tho I suspect he's got a Stark mother rather than a Stark father.

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Sansa. Also never actually on the list, although she actually has a chance of getting on it eventually if she continues her progression from an absolute bitch to a likeable character with an interesting story ark.

Yeah, never thought I'd see the day when I started to like Sansa Stark, tho I think she suffers from the usual Stark shortcomings along with being unduly influenced by Littlefinger.

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Ramsay. Because fuck that psychopathic dick. (Hat off to the actor though. Very well done)

I can do nothing but admire your godly discernment here.  I think the actor playing the father, Roose, also did a wonderful job with a completely thankless character.

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The one-armed Lannister. No reason - I just plainly dislike him.

Jaime is actually only one-handed.  And like Dany, he is extremely easy on the eyes.

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The ex-queen, although she has a minor chance of returning to His Gray Grace. The reasons are much the same as with Sansa.

Cersai, who has the Stark's failings with none of their virtues.  I've been voting her off the show from day one.

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...Did I miss any one still alive who's either likeable or vastly annoying? Ah, yes, Uncle Peter. I'm kind of ambivalent to his fate. I think he's more annoying than entertaining, but not completely sure. Same with the weird Italian-looking lord-of-the-skydoor-castle kid.

I want to keep Littlefinger around just on the hopes that he'll kick Robin Arryn thru the skydoor soon enough.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2016, 02:08:50 PM
Oh! That religious asshole who dresses in rags. Murder his preachy ass soon, please. He's sucking the life out of my fun every second of screen time he gets.

...although he does provide some parallels to our world which we all have the misfortune of inhabiting that are just too good not to be appreciated.

...But someone do please murder his ass slowly for His Divine Amusement.

I was just about to ask that the High Sparrow be put on one of the lists!  I'm glad he's on the kill list -- I love the actor playing him, but the character is even more annoying than those Red Witches.

Oh, I did just think of more people -- the assorted Sand Snakes, what about them?
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Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2016, 03:28:31 PM
Willis.
Bruce! Not Fred. Yes, yes, that makes more sense.

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Do you mean Jorah Mormont, the one who now has the deadly skin condition?  A decent guy but a bit of a sad sack.
Yes. Also, yes.

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She used to be one of my favorites, now I'm actually starting to like her sister more and I never thought that would happen.
Agreed. Therefor, the "for now".

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Tommen, I don't know if he deserves much consideration.  He's one of those people who's always influenced by the last person they talk to, which is why I think Margaery should be kept around to become the last person who ever influences him.  She's a vixen, but I think she's also well on her way to becoming a younger Olenna.  I say give her time.
He's sort of a major character, Tommen is... But something tells me he'll end up dead as yesterday's dinner eventually. My biggest problem with him is that he doesn't seem to act his age for the sort of society he lives in. Or maybe he's just weak, in which case his almost-inevitable demise will be well and truly deserved. For now though, he hath not pissethd The Asmo off enough for Him to stick him on the death list.

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She's remarkably easy on the eyes tho.
Yes. Although I do wish a sadistic death upon her (something I'm highly unlikely to get), I'd prefer it involved her being naked and remaining largely in one piece.

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I can do nothing but admire your godly discernment here.  I think the actor playing the father, Roose, also did a wonderful job with a completely thankless character.
Isn't it remarkable how otherwise likeable people manage to pull off such dislikable roles so well?

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And like Dany, he is extremely easy on the eyes.
Fine! A naked sadistic death for that one as well.  >:(

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Cersai, who has the Stark's failings with none of their virtues.  I've been voting her off the show from day one.
Mmmh... Well... There is something to be said for her in season 6. I would not jump on her grave just yet. Give her a few more episodes to prove me wrong first...

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I want to keep Littlefinger around just on the hopes that he'll kick Robin Arryn thru the skydoor soon enough.
We have seen very little of Robin (That be the Italian-looking kid, yes?) this season, but what we have seen smells of  absent-mindedness and a whole host of personality disorders. An arrow through the eye. That's how that one should go out. On the other hand, last we saw him, he was pretty much sucking his mothers boob at the tender age of... What? Like... 10? So yeah... I'm inclined to give his character some episodes to grow the fuck up.
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Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Oh, I did just think of more people -- the assorted Sand Snakes, what about them?
The assorted whatwherenow?

I honestly have no idea who they are. Are they in any way major or otherwise important? Because if not, I don't care, but I'd be entertained by seeing them die horribly.  :P
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Post by: Crow on May 25, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Poor hold the door.
Yes, but then... That's what he apparently was for since teenage years. Even changed his name from... Don't remember; Fred or some such.

He was one of the bare handful of characters I didn't have a sadistic desire to see dead, but particularly surprising it was not. Still, one does wish they killed him in a more convincing or, at the very least, less unnecessary manner.

But that was what made it sad, essentially he was brain damaged the majority of his life by the person who then forced him to die so he could live. That is a pretty fucked up existence.
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Post by: Pasta Chick on May 25, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Tommen is doomed by prophecy. "A queen you shall be, 3 children you will have and gold will be their shrouds" or something of that nature.

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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
Oh, I did just think of more people -- the assorted Sand Snakes, what about them?
The assorted whatwherenow?

I honestly have no idea who they are. Are they in any way major or otherwise important? Because if not, I don't care, but I'd be entertained by seeing them die horribly.  :P

You remember that beautiful guy who got killed so horribly by the Mountain while fighting in some sort of trial by gladiator thing for Tyrion?  The Sand Snakes are his concubine and their 4 or 5 kids (not sure of the number, in the books it's 8 ).  When last seen the Sand Snakes were killing the ruling family of Dorne and taking over.

And using my new powers of gif, here are two of the Snakes fighting what I think is an Imperial house guard:

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Post by: Guardian85 on May 26, 2016, 01:06:40 AM
You remember that beautiful guy who got killed so horribly by the Mountain while fighting in some sort of trial by gladiator thing for Tyrion?  The Sand Snakes are his concubine and their 4 or 5 kids (not sure of the number, in the books it's 8).  When last seen the Sand Snakes were killing the ruling family of Dorne and taking over.

And using my new powers of gif, here are two of the Snakes fighting what I think is an Imperial house guard:


That's Bronn. He was the first person to fight for Tyrion in Trial by Combat at the Eyre. He then became his bodyguard until he became the ;literally, disarmed Jamie's sword instructor and travelling companion.



Do you mean Jorah Mormont, the one who now has the deadly skin condition?  A decent guy but a bit of a sad sack.
I wonder why he hasn't had someone hack the infected limb off yet.
I kinda identify with him. What with the whole unrequited love thing he has going.
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Post by: Asmodean on May 26, 2016, 04:54:51 AM
That's Bronn. He was the first person to fight for Tyrion in Trial by Combat at the Eyre. He then became his bodyguard until he became the ;literally, disarmed Jamie's sword instructor and travelling companion.
Nono, that one lives, does he not? I'd like the merc to continue doing so if he does, actually.


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I kinda identify with him. What with the whole unrequited love thing he has going.
I sense there might be a story behind that..?
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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 26, 2016, 07:56:44 AM
That's Bronn. He was the first person to fight for Tyrion in Trial by Combat at the Eyre. He then became his bodyguard until he became the ;literally, disarmed Jamie's sword instructor and travelling companion.

Oh yeah!  It's been so long since I've seen Bronn I'd forgotten about him, or that he was part of that doomed rescue-the-Princess adventure. 


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Do you mean Jorah Mormont, the one who now has the deadly skin condition?  A decent guy but a bit of a sad sack.
I wonder why he hasn't had someone hack the infected limb off yet.

Maybe that's been tried before by others and failed?  I can't remember the discussions they had over trying to cure Shireen.

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I kinda identify with him. What with the whole unrequited love thing he has going.

Yeah, I kind of identify with him too but that makes me sad.

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Post by: Bluenose on May 26, 2016, 11:17:04 AM
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Do you mean Jorah Mormont, the one who now has the deadly skin condition?  A decent guy but a bit of a sad sack.
I wonder why he hasn't had someone hack the infected limb off yet.

Maybe that's been tried before by others and failed?  I can't remember the discussions they had over trying to cure Shireen.

I remember Shireen telling Ser Davros that her father had searched and found a cure for the disease.  I wonder whether Ser Davros may be able to steer Jorah in the right direction at some point, although I'm not too sure Jorah is not persona non grata on Westeros...
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Post by: Crow on May 26, 2016, 09:07:14 PM
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Post by: Asmodean on May 26, 2016, 10:20:34 PM
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...They sell Hold the doors, those pesky Swedes!  :o
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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 27, 2016, 02:03:42 AM
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Too soon!
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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 27, 2016, 02:15:30 AM

I remember Shireen telling Ser Davros that her father had searched and found a cure for the disease.  I wonder whether Ser Davros may be able to steer Jorah in the right direction at some point, although I'm not too sure Jorah is not persona non grata on Westeros...

Right, that business of slave-trading awhile back.  Maybe someone in Eos has a cure?  At least use it as an excuse to explore the civilized parts of that continent more.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 28, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
Dark humor.

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Post by: Firebird on May 30, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
Just watched the latest episode. Still feels like this season has been a series of build-up to some sort of climax yet to come, so I'm not sure how I feel yet. Seeing Brian's uncle come back was an unexpected and welcome surprise though, and seeing how Tommen's been brainwashed by the High Sparrow and Maergery was fascinating. I'm certain that Maergery's just using both of them, though I'm not quite sure what her endgame is since she essentially overturned her own house's attempt to reverse course.  Still, I'm sure she hasn't "converted".
As for Sam... I like him and hope it ends well, but given the history of this show, I doubt it will.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on May 31, 2016, 12:10:55 AM
Just watched the latest episode. Still feels like this season has been a series of build-up to some sort of climax yet to come, so I'm not sure how I feel yet. Seeing Brian's uncle come back was an unexpected and welcome surprise though, and seeing how Tommen's been brainwashed by the High Sparrow and Maergery was fascinating. I'm certain that Maergery's just using both of them, though I'm not quite sure what her endgame is since she essentially overturned her own house's attempt to reverse course.  Still, I'm sure she hasn't "converted".
As for Sam... I like him and hope it ends well, but given the history of this show, I doubt it will.
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Definitely agree re: Maerery -- she's got some game of her own going, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was big and devious enough to impress even her grandma.  And I have to say, as much as I dislike the High Sparrow, I was impressed by his political maneuvering.  Loved the cocky little smile Pryce put on his face, that was perfect.

And speaking of love, yes -- love Sam, and Sam & Gilly.  Do think however that taking his father's sword was going the step too far that will guarantee things do not end well for them. 

Altho this surprises me, I was just as glad to see Arya leave the Faceless Men altho I'd once been eager to see her join them.  I'm glad she wasn't able to give up her independent identity and sense of morality after all.  And now that she has Needle back, I'm hoping her dire wolf will be turning up again soon as well.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 31, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
I just hope that both Arya and Sam don't pay for their choices with their lives.

As for the Danaerys arc, it all still feels a little too haven't we seen this before? to me, though I guess three grown dragons are an added bonus this time. What happens to Mereen, though if she goes on to finally conquer the 7 kingdoms? I would love to see Tyrion return to Westeros with Dany, and especially Cersei's reaction when she realises what's happening.

So Benjen Stark is alive and well. When he appeared I thought at first that he was Coldhands, and was sort of disappointed when he wasn't. 
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Post by: Pasta Chick on June 06, 2016, 02:57:52 AM
We get the Hound back AND he's hanging out with Al Swearengen?! Best episode all season. Too bad it was short lived for Ian :(
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Post by: Asmodean on June 06, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
I did expect to see the return of The Hound. He's too miserable to just die.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2016, 09:53:32 AM
Random thoughts on episode 6.7:

*Loved the Hound's entrance -- one man carrying a log that took 4 of 5 normal men to hoist.  Also enjoyed Ian McShane's turn as a priest.  Quite a departure from the last role I saw him in (actually, the last several roles I saw him in).  The Hound had one of my favorite lines:  "Aye, there's a reason.  I'm a big fucker and tough to kill."  Dear Hound, so down to earth.  I do wish he'd cut his hair tho -- always having that scraggly mess hanging down his neck and in his eyes makes me twitch.

*I knew it!  I knew Margaery was up to something and I so hope that she wins in whatever scheme she's cooking up so I can enjoy her web-weaving and not end up having to mourn her, as I have so many other characters on this show.  Maybe grandma Oleanna will hang around close enough to take a hand if things go pear-shaped.  Obviously she can't hide out in King's Landing, but I'm assuming she has spies and can hole up somewhere nearby.  Also loved Oleanna tearing Cersai a new one before she left -- "I wonder if you're the worst person I've ever met."  Yeah, I wonder that too.

*"Congress does not require desire on the woman's part, only patience".  Well if that doesn't send a shudder down my spine nothing will.

*Bronn had my other favorite line of the episode, and it is so wrong:  "You just allowed eight thousand men to approach unchallenged.  Good thing we're friends, or we'd be fucking you in the ass right now."

*Those Frey brothers are such knuckleheads they qualify as comedy relief.  Question to the book readers: are these two cheese balls the only sons Walder Frey has?  Other than them, all his kids appear to be daughters.

*Davos saves the day yet again with the little Lady of Bear Island.  Really, the other characters should just shut up and let the Onion Knight do all the talking when they're in a sticky situation. 

*Yarra is now officially my favorite female character.  That tough love speech to Theon followed by a kiss on his forehead won my heart.  Most of the Iron Islanders may be Dothraki with ships instead of horses, but Yarra is so much more. 

*I'm guessing that Sansa sent a raven to Baelish.  I think she hates him and doesn't trust him, but he plays the game better than anyone else she knows so she's willing to try to use him and learn his tricks. 

*Arya's another tough little nut, tho it was weird how she could walk around that busy market openly bleeding without a remark from anyone about it.

Really looking forward to the next episode when it seems Cersai's trial by combat will finally happen.

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Post by: Asmodean on June 07, 2016, 10:44:21 AM
*Arya's another tough little nut, tho it was weird how she could walk around that busy market openly bleeding without a remark from anyone about it.
That I can buy. The walking around with at least one fatal wound part though... Not so much.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2016, 09:18:46 PM
*Arya's another tough little nut, tho it was weird how she could walk around that busy market openly bleeding without a remark from anyone about it.
That I can buy. The walking around with at least one fatal wound part though... Not so much.

Yeah, particularly after that dip in what was probably filth infested waters.  Still, walking around bleeding and nobody so much as gasps or yells "holy crap"?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 07, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
*Arya's another tough little nut, tho it was weird how she could walk around that busy market openly bleeding without a remark from anyone about it.
That I can buy. The walking around with at least one fatal wound part though... Not so much.

Yeah, particularly after that dip in what was probably filth infested waters.  Still, walking around bleeding and nobody so much as gasps or yells "holy crap"?

I guess it's because such sights would be a commonplace occurrence.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 07, 2016, 09:42:45 PM
*Arya's another tough little nut, tho it was weird how she could walk around that busy market openly bleeding without a remark from anyone about it.
That I can buy. The walking around with at least one fatal wound part though... Not so much.

Yeah, particularly after that dip in what was probably filth infested waters.  Still, walking around bleeding and nobody so much as gasps or yells "holy crap"?
Welcome to the alternative universe Dark Ages Europe.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2016, 10:06:14 PM
I guess it's because such sights would be a commonplace occurrence.

Welcome to the alternative universe Dark Ages Europe.

Yeah.  I get the feeling I'd last about 5 seconds in such a world.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on June 07, 2016, 10:12:30 PM
I'm a late joiner to this thread, have been trying to avoid the spoilers but I've now finally caught up to the present day so can read safely :)

My favourite characters are Tyrion, Arya and Bronn.  I find it really odd that Jerome Flynn of 'Soldier soldier' fame plays Bronn.  I don't know if that show made it out of the UK but I loved it back in the day and had a huge crush on Paddy (Jerome's character), especially when they sang this in the show:

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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 07, 2016, 11:33:06 PM
The other guy is Robson Green, right?  Love him too.
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Post by: Claireliontamer on June 08, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
The other guy is Robson Green, right?  Love him too.

He is, Jerome was always my favourite though.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 08, 2016, 08:20:22 PM
The other guy is Robson Green, right?  Love him too.

He is, Jerome was always my favourite though.

Altho I've watched my share of British TV, I wasn't aware of either one of them until about 5 yrs ago.  I think it's fair to say that Jerome Flynn has a whole new raft of fans since his Bronn role.
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Post by: Claireliontamer on June 08, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
The other guy is Robson Green, right?  Love him too.

He is, Jerome was always my favourite though.

Altho I've watched my share of British TV, I wasn't aware of either one of them until about 5 yrs ago.  I think it's fair to say that Jerome Flynn has a whole new raft of fans since his Bronn role.

Jerome Flynn has had an interesting life.  He and Robson Green made Simon Cowell his first million apparently, they wee a huge chart success here in the 90s on the back of the song in Soldier Soldier.  He then gave up acting and joined some kind of religious sect in Wales and got duped into giving loads of money to a crook of a business man, now he's back in one of the biggest shows again. 
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 12, 2016, 06:19:31 PM
I'm curious to see what the next episode has in store. :popcorn:
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Post by: Asmodean on June 13, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
The Asmo's List™ has changed slightly. (It's a matter of degrees, mostly, not complete crossovers... With an exception or two.)

The murderously-wise The Hound is just adorable. He may live.
The deviously-scheming assassin-guy may live as well. He's... Interesting.
The ex-queen may live... By a hair. That hair will become a rope if she arranges a suitably gruesome death for the praise-be-the-LORD-hobo.
The tall knight-lady had her weakest episode up to this point. her standing in The Book of Asmo is damaged, but she's still on the let-live list.

Arya has marginally made it onto the death list. Mostly because of the "just fucking no" factor.
The one-armed Lannister guy is starting to annoy me. Killing time. (although highly unlikely. I peg that one for a death by the Walkers™, perhaps even The Überwalker™)
Tommen needs to go as well. Burned to death, methink.
Also, the Mountain-zombie. He's a bit of a game-breaker.

No change to the rest (Mostly because The Dwarf is still The Dwarf™ and the rest have not really been IN the episode or... Died.)
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 13, 2016, 11:11:01 PM
The Asmo's List™ has changed slightly. (It's a matter of degrees, mostly, not complete crossovers... With an exception or two.)

The murderously-wise The Hound is just adorable. He may live.
Hooray!  I love the Hound, he's just so damn straight-forward.

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The deviously-scheming assassin-guy may live as well. He's... Interesting.
Bronn?  A huge fan favorite as well, tho I know that means nothing to Your Grayness.  Another character we can always trust to speak the unvarnished truth.

Edited because I just realized you might mean Jaquen, the priest of the Faceless God.  He's definitely got nooks and crannies.

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The ex-queen may live... By a hair. That hair will become a rope if she arranges a suitably gruesome death for the praise-be-the-LORD-hobo.
Grumble.  Fine, tho I'd prefer to see a murder/suicide between them.

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The tall knight-lady had her weakest episode up to this point. her standing in The Book of Asmo is damaged, but she's still on the let-live list.
Ahh, you're too unsentimental!  Brienne's scenes with the Blackfish and Pod were touching, and her scenes with Jaime were no end of bittersweet.  I loved her in this episode.

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Arya has marginally made it onto the death list. Mostly because of the "just fucking no" factor.
Explain?

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The one-armed Lannister guy is starting to annoy me. Killing time. (although highly unlikely. I peg that one for a death by the Walkers™, perhaps even The Überwalker™)
I'd prefer it if he'd just get over his sister already and join the Night's Watch, or maybe the Brothers without Banners tho that could cause some problems with the Hound who surely has no love left for Lannisters.

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Tommen needs to go as well. Burned to death, methink.
I would agree, but I think Margaery needs him as a figurehead to rule thru.  I think she's the one who is going to get rid of the High Sparrow for you, and she'll probably be manipulating Tommen to do that.

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Also, the Mountain-zombie. He's a bit of a game-breaker.
I want the Hound to kill him.  I realize they're brothers, but let's face it, of all the Mountain's victims still living, the Hound has the most reason to want him dead.

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Post by: Asmodean on June 14, 2016, 07:23:00 AM
Hooray!  I love the Hound, he's just so damn straight-forward.
Too bad he didn't get to chop even one hand off. That makes The Asmo sad.  :(

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Bronn?  A huge fan favorite as well, tho I know that means nothing to Your Grayness.  Another character we can always trust to speak the unvarnished truth.
He didn't get quite enough screen time this episode to affect his standing in The Book of Asmo.

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Edited because I just realized you might mean Jaquen, the priest of the Faceless God.  He's definitely got nooks and crannies.
The obviousness of his subtle facial expressions as Aria declared that she was going home does indicate that he has plans, yes?

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Grumble.  Fine, tho I'd prefer to see a murder/suicide between them.
That would not be unacceptable to The Asmo. Something involving passionate sex, just for the added creepiness.

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Ahh, you're too unsentimental!  Brienne's scenes with the Blackfish and Pod were touching, and her scenes with Jaime were no end of bittersweet.  I loved her in this episode.
Yeah... She doesn't do that too well, methink. She's much better at being a knight than a person.

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Explain?
She should have bled out and died. Also, I don't buy that The Waif sucked as an assassin quite so badly. Jaquen, or whatever his name is, would probably have gutted Aria like the proverbial fish without breaking his stride.

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I'd prefer it if he'd just get over his sister already and join the Night's Watch, or maybe the Brothers without Banners tho that could cause some problems with the Hound who surely has no love left for Lannisters.
That's right, he fucks his sister..! Eww and stuff, but whatever. I think given enough seasons, he will if not join, at least affiliate himself with The Watch... And meet his fate at the end of an ice weapon.

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I would agree, but I think Margaery needs him as a figurehead to rule thru.  I think she's the one who is going to get rid of the High Sparrow for you, and she'll probably be manipulating Tommen to do that.
I think she's smart enough to want the religious hobo alive. What's that saying? "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."

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I want the Hound to kill him.  I realize they're brothers, but let's face it, of all the Mountain's victims still living, the Hound has the most reason to want him dead.
I think he will, eventually. Unless Game of Thrones writers turn it less predictable, which they migh. I would if I was them.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 14, 2016, 10:35:03 AM

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Edited because I just realized you might mean Jaquen, the priest of the Faceless God.  He's definitely got nooks and crannies.
The obviousness of his subtle facial expressions as Aria declared that she was going home does indicate that he has plans, yes?

I certainly thought so, and I'm glad to see my thinking is in line with The Asmo.

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Grumble.  Fine, tho I'd prefer to see a murder/suicide between them.
That would not be unacceptable to The Asmo. Something involving passionate sex, just for the added creepiness.

Or at least the suggestion of same.  Which isn't really so far fetched -- when your default is incest, a religious fanatic probably would qualify as a walk on the wild side for you.

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Explain?
She should have bled out and died. Also, I don't buy that The Waif sucked as an assassin quite so badly. Jaquen, or whatever his name is, would probably have gutted Aria like the proverbial fish without breaking his stride.

Oh yeah, that.  That was ridiculously unbelievable.

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I would agree, but I think Margaery needs him as a figurehead to rule thru.  I think she's the one who is going to get rid of the High Sparrow for you, and she'll probably be manipulating Tommen to do that.
I think she's smart enough to want the religious hobo alive. What's that saying? "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."

I think she would keep a Faith Militant alive as leader, just not the current High Sparrow.  She needs someone far more mallable and less cunning.  Say what you will about the HS, that man is on his toes.

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I want the Hound to kill him.  I realize they're brothers, but let's face it, of all the Mountain's victims still living, the Hound has the most reason to want him dead.
I think he will, eventually. Unless Game of Thrones writers turn it less predictable, which they migh. I would if I was them.

This is one of my "personal satisfaction" scenarios.  Hound kills Mountain, Sansa kills Ramsey, Arya finishes her list, etc.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2016, 02:39:19 PM
Arya has marginally made it onto the death list. Mostly because of the "just fucking no" factor.

Why Arya is one of my favourite characters, this episode has left me staggered with disbelief. Running through the streets like that with the kind of wound she had suffered, I think no amount of adrenaline would have allowed anybody to achieve that.

It's great that she killed The Waif though, I felt really sorry to see the actress who helped Arya dispatched in such a way. 

What was all that about Jaquen saying that Arya was finally no one? I don't get it. If they were as good at mind-reading and lie sensing as shown in previous episodes, then he would have sensed that Arya was definitely no letting go of who she is.  :scratch: 
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Post by: Asmodean on June 14, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
 
What was all that about Jaquen saying that Arya was finally no one? I don't get it. If they were as good at mind-reading and lie sensing as shown in previous episodes, then he would have sensed that Arya was definitely no letting go of who she is.  :scratch:
My hypothesis is that being no-one does not require permanently giving up ones identity; they assume identities frequently and strongly enough for them to be their own. I suspect Aria is now a no-one simply because she gave the many-faced God another face to... Do many-faced-God-stuff with. Assassinate your assassin or some such foolery, basically.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 14, 2016, 11:31:44 PM

What was all that about Jaquen saying that Arya was finally no one? I don't get it. If they were as good at mind-reading and lie sensing as shown in previous episodes, then he would have sensed that Arya was definitely no letting go of who she is.  :scratch:

I don't understand half of what Jaquen says, and The Asmo's explanation makes as much sense as anything else so I'm going with that.

This is why I prefer listening to the Hound, everything he says makes perfect sense:  "Lots of horrible shit in this world gets done for something larger than ourselves".
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 17, 2016, 12:14:29 AM
Yeah, could be. Well, since the episode was named "no one" it must be something big. I'm curious to see how it plays out.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 17, 2016, 12:36:04 PM
Yeah, could be. Well, since the episode was named "no one" it must be something big. I'm curious to see how it plays out.

I caught a discussion of the episode with the show runners, and one of them said that Jaquen's "no one" remark meant that while Arya might not be ready to be a Faceless Man yet, she was no longer Arya Stark of Winterfell either. 
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 17, 2016, 04:54:38 PM
Yeah, could be. Well, since the episode was named "no one" it must be something big. I'm curious to see how it plays out.

I caught a discussion of the episode with the show runners, and one of them said that Jaquen's "no one" remark meant that while Arya might not be ready to be a Faceless Man yet, she was no longer Arya Stark of Winterfell either.

Interesting.  :chin:
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Post by: Ali on June 17, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Arya has marginally made it onto the death list. Mostly because of the "just fucking no" factor.

Why Arya is one of my favourite characters, this episode has left me staggered with disbelief. Running through the streets like that with the kind of wound she had suffered, I think no amount of adrenaline would have allowed anybody to achieve that.

It's great that she killed The Waif though, I felt really sorry to see the actress who helped Arya dispatched in such a way. 

What was all that about Jaquen saying that Arya was finally no one? I don't get it. If they were as good at mind-reading and lie sensing as shown in previous episodes, then he would have sensed that Arya was definitely no letting go of who she is.  :scratch:

I never expected Arya to die. Reason being is that she is a plot line into her own and has been for quite some time. Arya doing all of that work to become a Faceless Man only to be killed by them would have been more realistic, but it wouldn't have moved the over all plot line forward. If she's going to die, it's going to be after she rejoins at least one other main character's plot line. Otherwise, that's a lot of screen time wasted that does nothing to advance the overarching plot. Major characters die all of the time in GoT but it's never pointless, it is either a catalyst to new events, or because their use to the plot has been fulfilled. Her dying in Bravos wouldn't have done either.
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Post by: Pasta Chick on June 18, 2016, 01:08:56 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of death in this season. I think Martin has kinda written himself into a hole where he can't spare any major characters. So we're getting all these lame secondary characters and strangers being murdered.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 18, 2016, 02:31:02 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of death in this season. I think Martin has kinda written himself into a hole where he can't spare any major characters. So we're getting all these lame secondary characters and strangers being murdered.

Not only the lack of death but one major character was brought back (I'm still not forgiving that one!  >:( ) Jon Snow hasn't been doing much this Season now that Sansa has joined him and  is taking the reigns.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 18, 2016, 02:32:56 AM
Arya has marginally made it onto the death list. Mostly because of the "just fucking no" factor.

Why Arya is one of my favourite characters, this episode has left me staggered with disbelief. Running through the streets like that with the kind of wound she had suffered, I think no amount of adrenaline would have allowed anybody to achieve that.

It's great that she killed The Waif though, I felt really sorry to see the actress who helped Arya dispatched in such a way. 

What was all that about Jaquen saying that Arya was finally no one? I don't get it. If they were as good at mind-reading and lie sensing as shown in previous episodes, then he would have sensed that Arya was definitely no letting go of who she is.  :scratch:

I never expected Arya to die. Reason being is that she is a plot line into her own and has been for quite some time. Arya doing all of that work to become a Faceless Man only to be killed by them would have been more realistic, but it wouldn't have moved the over all plot line forward. If she's going to die, it's going to be after she rejoins at least one other main character's plot line. Otherwise, that's a lot of screen time wasted that does nothing to advance the overarching plot. Major characters die all of the time in GoT but it's never pointless, it is either a catalyst to new events, or because their use to the plot has been fulfilled. Her dying in Bravos wouldn't have done either.

You have a point. I didn't expect her to die either (and hoped she didnt), but the knife wound that was inflicted seemed like a fatal one.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 18, 2016, 05:38:02 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of death in this season. I think Martin has kinda written himself into a hole where he can't spare any major characters. So we're getting all these lame secondary characters and strangers being murdered.

Not only the lack of death but one major character was brought back (I'm still not forgiving that one!  >:( ) Jon Snow hasn't been doing much this Season now that Sansa has joined him and  is taking the reigns.
Ah, but his brooding is... Impressive.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 18, 2016, 08:31:56 PM
I'm surprised at the lack of death in this season. I think Martin has kinda written himself into a hole where he can't spare any major characters. So we're getting all these lame secondary characters and strangers being murdered.

Not only the lack of death but one major character was brought back (I'm still not forgiving that one!  >:( ) Jon Snow hasn't been doing much this Season now that Sansa has joined him and  is taking the reigns.
Ah, but his brooding is... Impressive.

I don't have the patience for brooding characters.  >:(

They might as well confirm the R+L=J hypothesis already, since they brought him back. He doesn't have much of an arc now.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 19, 2016, 11:40:35 PM
Speaking of pairing, I'm just going to leave this here --

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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 20, 2016, 01:18:36 AM
^  :lol:
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 20, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
Well, the Battle of the Bastards was certainly an extravaganza of good guys winning for once.  I wonder if this is the result of decreased GRRM presence? 

In any case, favorite parts included . . .

Grey Worm's double throat cutting (wonder how much the actor practiced that, or is that the sort of thing they do with CGI these days?).

Davos finding the pyre with Shireen's skull and the wooden stag he carved for her.  Oh, there will be hell to pay for this one and I can't wait to see it (and hopefully they'll wrap it up in the season finale rather than dragging it out to season 7).

That shot of Jon facing down the charging Bolton knights, and then their clash with his knights coming up suddenly from behind. 

The arrival of the Vale forces -- yes I know we were set up to expect that but it was still happy-making.  Even enjoyed Baelish's smug look, which I usually want to wipe off his face.

Wun Wun's death scene, tho his death upset me nearly as much as Hordor's.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 20, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
The latest episode was good.

...But.

The first epic battle was unconvincing. They invented torsion catapults or even trebuchets for naval use, but not surface-to-dragon ballistae? How cool would the battle have been with the dragons causing mayhem while dodging volleys of ballista bolts?!

In the aftermath, Denarys' subtly-intrigued expression when discussing a marriage alliance with Theon's sister almost got them both off the death list... Not quite, though.

The second battle was way too predictable with the de-facto lord of the Skydoor castle coming to the rescue. In my opinion, they have also killed the wrong Stark. The kid was pretty much a nobody story-wise. They could have built on that. Also, apparently, he managed to survive what..? 14 or so years in the alternate universe Dark Ages Europe without understanding the concept of running zigzag from arrows..? They could still have killed him, only a bit more convincingly, is all I'm saying.

The  Bolton spear wall was a high point. The jolly grey giant not having a club was a low (although he'd be a game ender with one) The battle except for that spear wall was utter bullshit.

Ramsay and Stark Jr. are obviously off The Asmolist.

I'm somewhat disappointed at hopw cheaply "the good guys" got off in both battles when it comes to losing major players. One kid who got literally a half hour of screen time across the seasons and one giant and the rest got off with barely a scratch..? Come on!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Jimmy on June 20, 2016, 10:58:34 AM
I have just started reading the first book in the series, so I made sure I went to the last post of this thread to avoid seeing any spoilers. I want to read the books before I watch the television series.
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Post by: Ali on June 20, 2016, 11:59:55 PM
Haha Asmo, as I was watching last night I was yelling at the screen "ZIG AND ZAG, RICKON!!!! ZIG AND ZAAAAAAAGGGGG!!!"

STBMA pointed something out, which is that that scene was useful in illustrating how easily manipulated Jon Snow is, which makes him a liability to his army. Yes, I was relieved that his cavalry came and saved him, because like most people I have an emotional attachment to Jon Snow (even though he knows nothing) but on the whole I was a little pissed at him for forcing his army into that ill advised confrontation. As STBMA also pointed out, Ramsey had marked off the distance with his flayed men, so the plan was pretty obvious from the start (to STBMA, I was still too busy yelling for Rickon to zig and zag to concentrate on battle strategies. I would also be a shitty leader for an army.)

BCE, I was also sad when Wun Wun died. Not as sad as when Hodor died, but sad nonetheless.

I'm wondering what the renewed alliance between Sansa and Littlefinger will cost Sansa. I imagine that Littlefinger wants to marry her and finally become the Warden of the North.

I like the alliance between Danaerys and Theon's sister. I can never remember her name, but she is my favorite Greyjoy.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 21, 2016, 12:00:58 AM
I have just started reading the first book in the series, so I made sure I went to the last post of this thread to avoid seeing any spoilers. I want to read the books before I watch the television series.

I've never read the books (can't stand GRRM) but from what I've heard from people who both read and watch, the show is different enough from the books (and getting more dissimilar all the time) that they can be enjoyed separately.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 21, 2016, 12:18:46 AM
The latest episode was good.

...But.

The first epic battle was unconvincing. They invented torsion catapults or even trebuchets for naval use, but not surface-to-dragon ballistae? How cool would the battle have been with the dragons causing mayhem while dodging volleys of ballista bolts?!

But wouldn't that look the same as them dodging fireballs?

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In the aftermath, Denarys' subtly-intrigued expression when discussing a marriage alliance with Theon's sister almost got them both off the death list... Not quite, though.

I thought only Theon was on the death list and Yarra was on the let-her-live-for-now list?

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The second battle was way too predictable with the de-facto lord of the Skydoor castle coming to the rescue.

Predictable, but satisfying.  Finally I get a scene that I want and it doesn't all turn into ashes and pain.

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In my opinion, they have also killed the wrong Stark. The kid was pretty much a nobody story-wise. They could have built on that.

I don't think the littlest Stark should have been included on the show at all -- he had literally nothing to do.

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Also, apparently, he managed to survive what..? 14 or so years in the alternate universe Dark Ages Europe without understanding the concept of running zigzag from arrows..? They could still have killed him, only a bit more convincingly, is all I'm saying.

This is par for the course with things like Bran growing up in a warrior family and not knowing you don't distract people by shouting their name during a pitched fight.

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The  Bolton spear wall was a high point. The jolly grey giant not having a club was a low (although he'd be a game ender with one) The battle except for that spear wall was utter bullshit.

This is where knowing absolutely, positively nothing about combat really pays off.  I have no idea what would or would not be believable so I just sit back and enjoy the images.  Now, if it were a scene set in a library and someone were misusing the Dewey Decimal System, I'd notice that right away and take umbrage.  But how likely is that to happen ever, much less in GoT?

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Ramsay and Stark Jr. are obviously off The Asmolist.

Well, yeah, being dead and all.  Has Sansa's position on the keep list changed because of this episode, based on her calling in Baelish (and we can just imagine what he's going to charge for that) and dispatching Ramsey?

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I'm somewhat disappointed at how cheaply "the good guys" got off in both battles when it comes to losing major players. One kid who got literally a half hour of screen time across the seasons and one giant and the rest got off with barely a scratch..? Come on!

I'm an old-time Trekker, so I'm used to only red shirts dying.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 21, 2016, 12:25:41 AM
STBMA pointed something out, which is that that scene was useful in illustrating how easily manipulated Jon Snow is, which makes him a liability to his army. Yes, I was relieved that his cavalry came and saved him, because like most people I have an emotional attachment to Jon Snow (even though he knows nothing) but on the whole I was a little pissed at him for forcing his army into that ill advised confrontation.

And right after Sansa specifically warned him that Ramsey would do something to try to throw Jon off his game.

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I'm wondering what the renewed alliance between Sansa and Littlefinger will cost Sansa. I imagine that Littlefinger wants to marry her and finally become the Warden of the North.

Yeah, winning Winterfell back is going to have one steep price tag.

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I like the alliance between Danaerys and Theon's sister. I can never remember her name, but she is my favorite Greyjoy.

Yarra.  She's about the only Iron Islander who is likable, despite that bee's wax about reaving and raping being their way of life.  If Dany comes thru for her, Yarra's going to have one hell of a time selling that culture change to the other Ironborn.  Probably last about a week on the Salt Throne.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 21, 2016, 12:27:29 AM
I liked this episode. 8/10

I was also wondering why he didn't run erratically enough to throw Ramsey off. He would have taken longer to reach Jon and relative safety but he probably would have had a better chance of survival. Jon...well, hot-headed Jon and his naiveté. Sansa warned him about falling into Ramsey's traps but to no avail, nearly cost him everything. If his half-sister hadn't shown up with Littlefinger and the army from the Vale then it would have cost him everything.

Rickon's death didn't mean much though. He was a trueborn Stark but it seems like the show is setting women up to be the leaders. I doubt Bran will ever retrun from beyond the Wall, and I don't think Jon is even Ned's son so that leaves Sansa. My guess is that Sansa will be wardeness of the north, Yara (Theon's sister) will rule the iron Islands and Danaerys will recover the Iron Throne.  :tellmemore: 

I think Littlefinger will want her to marry her cousin (that little snot Arryn, LF's son) or something.   

What was up with the Jon hitting Ramsey scene? It was like he was putting no effort into it.  :scratch:
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 21, 2016, 12:39:05 AM
What was up with the Jon hitting Ramsey scene? It was like he was putting no effort into it.  :scratch:

What got my attention was that look he gave Sansa when he saw her watching -- I swear it was a "you want some of this?" look.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 21, 2016, 12:41:38 AM
Well, the Battle of the Bastards was certainly an extravaganza of good guys winning for once.  I wonder if this is the result of decreased GRRM presence?

They won, but at a high price. Rickon was killed and we have yet to see what Littlefinger is going to want in return for his help. 

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Davos finding the pyre with Shireen's skull and the wooden stag he carved for her.  Oh, there will be hell to pay for this one and I can't wait to see it (and hopefully they'll wrap it up in the season finale rather than dragging it out to season 7).

Yes! I can't wait to see him confront crazy Melisandre!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 21, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
What was up with the Jon hitting Ramsey scene? It was like he was putting no effort into it.  :scratch:

What got my attention was that look he gave Sansa when he saw her watching -- I swear it was a "you want some of this?" look.

Agreed, my interpretation at the time is that he stopped beating Ramsey to death with his bare hands because he remembered that Sansa has even more reason to want to kill him, and Jon was holding back to give her the chance.
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Post by: Asmodean on June 21, 2016, 01:21:54 AM
But wouldn't that look the same as them dodging fireballs?
Yes, but they weren't. They spent too much time hovering to survive a proper thing like that.

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I thought only Theon was on the death list and Yarra was on the let-her-live-for-now list?
Turning them into a package deal sort of thing got them both on the bad list.

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Predictable, but satisfying.  Finally I get a scene that I want and it doesn't all turn into ashes and pain.
I'll have to re-watch the episode for that. I was too busy thinking "Oh, come the FUCK on!" to be satisfied.

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I don't think the littlest Stark should have been included on the show at all -- he had literally nothing to do.
True, but I much preferred him to for example John Snow or Bran, if only because he was not ruined by a nasty character development ark.

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This is par for the course with things like Bran growing up in a warrior family and not knowing you don't distract people by shouting their name during a pitched fight.
Yeah... Bran is on The Asmo's hit list too, although He still predicts that that one will survive the series.

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This is where knowing absolutely, positively nothing about combat really pays off.  I have no idea what would or would not be believable so I just sit back and enjoy the images.  Now, if it were a scene set in a library and someone were misusing the Dewey Decimal System, I'd notice that right away and take umbrage.  But how likely is that to happen ever, much less in GoT?
I'm not a battle tactician. My "experience" is limited to strategy games. However, I do have a sense for what is and is not sensible. The spear wall was. The initial charge by the Stark alliance was not. Ramsay not having a backup plan with his numeric superiority was unbelievably stupid. A psychopath and a sadist the man may have been, but a fool he was not.

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Well, yeah, being dead and all.  Has Sansa's position on the keep list changed because of this episode, based on her calling in Baelish (and we can just imagine what he's going to charge for that) and dispatching Ramsey?
No, there is still a lot of ambivalence in The Gray Opinion of Sansa. She is starting to get interesting though.

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I'm an old-time Trekker, so I'm used to only red shirts dying.
Being used to it does not mean one doesn't get disappointed at this happening in a somewhat more realistic wartime scenario than the average in the world of fantasy.
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Post by: Firebird on June 21, 2016, 03:48:12 AM
What was up with the Jon hitting Ramsey scene? It was like he was putting no effort into it.  :scratch:

What got my attention was that look he gave Sansa when he saw her watching -- I swear it was a "you want some of this?" look.

Agreed, my interpretation at the time is that he stopped beating Ramsey to death with his bare hands because he remembered that Sansa has even more reason to want to kill him, and Jon was holding back to give her the chance.

No question about that. I loved that evil little smile on her face as Ramsey was being eaten too.

...and I don't think Jon is even Ned's son so that leaves Sansa.

I'm certain of this. Why would they go to all the trouble of bringing the character back to life if he was nothing more than a bastard? I've heard one or two interesting fan theories about this, and whether or not any of them are true, I'm sure his backstory is not what they've said so far.

Has anyone else noticed this trend of doing fight/battle scenes in one shot, as they did briefly when Jon was fighting? I first noticed it in season 1 of True Detective, when Mathew McConaughey was fighting his was out of that drug house, but it seems like everyone's getting in on it, including Daredevil and other movies. I like it, personally, as the "quick-cut" style of action movies up until now made it impossible to follow what was going on.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on June 21, 2016, 10:10:26 AM
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I'm an old-time Trekker, so I'm used to only red shirts dying.
Being used to it does not mean one doesn't get disappointed at this happening in a somewhat more realistic wartime scenario than the average in the world of fantasy.

Does for me.  I'm just "pass the popcorn" for this stuff.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 22, 2016, 12:43:47 AM
I'm certain of this. Why would they go to all the trouble of bringing the character back to life if he was nothing more than a bastard? I've heard one or two interesting fan theories about this, and whether or not any of them are true, I'm sure his backstory is not what they've said so far.

I think he's still a bastard, but not Ned's bastard. Remember the scene Bran witnessed of his father Ned Stark going to rescue his sister Lyanna in the tower? It's likely that Ned's sister was giving birth to Rhaegar Targaryan''s baby and that baby was Jon, which Ned brought back to Winterfell with him as his own.  This the R+L=J theory, which is possibly the most popular among fans. Doesn't mean it's going to happen but I'm mostly convinced it is. :smilenod:

What do you think is the case?
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Post by: Firebird on June 22, 2016, 01:54:24 AM
I'm certain of this. Why would they go to all the trouble of bringing the character back to life if he was nothing more than a bastard? I've heard one or two interesting fan theories about this, and whether or not any of them are true, I'm sure his backstory is not what they've said so far.

I think he's still a bastard, but not Ned's bastard. Remember the scene Bran witnessed of his father Ned Stark going to rescue his sister Lyanna in the tower? It's likely that Ned's sister was giving birth to Rhaegar Targaryan''s baby and that baby was Jon, which Ned brought back to Winterfell with him as his own.  This the R+L=J theory, which is possibly the most popular among fans. Doesn't mean it's going to happen but I'm mostly convinced it is. :smilenod:

What do you think is the case?

Yeah, that's one. Another one I heard was that he could be the son of Robert Baratheon and Lyanna,  and Ned hid him from Robert for safety's sake since he would never be able to take Jon to king's landing. Either theory could set Jon up as a true heir, but the Targaryan theory makes more sense to me right now. Daenarys wouldn't like it very much...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 22, 2016, 02:26:48 AM
I'm certain of this. Why would they go to all the trouble of bringing the character back to life if he was nothing more than a bastard? I've heard one or two interesting fan theories about this, and whether or not any of them are true, I'm sure his backstory is not what they've said so far.

I think he's still a bastard, but not Ned's bastard. Remember the scene Bran witnessed of his father Ned Stark going to rescue his sister Lyanna in the tower? It's likely that Ned's sister was giving birth to Rhaegar Targaryan''s baby and that baby was Jon, which Ned brought back to Winterfell with him as his own.  This the R+L=J theory, which is possibly the most popular among fans. Doesn't mean it's going to happen but I'm mostly convinced it is. :smilenod:

What do you think is the case?

Yeah, that's one. Another one I heard was that he could be the son of Robert Baratheon and Lyanna,  and Ned hid him from Robert for safety's sake since he would never be able to take Jon to king's landing. Either theory could set Jon up as a true heir, but the Targaryan theory makes more sense to me right now. Daenarys wouldn't like it very much...
He looks a lot more like a Baratheon than a Targaryan, which seems like a big deal since (at least in the books, I can't remember about the show) they made such a big deal about pointing out that all Baratheon's are dark (that's how Ned figured out Cercei's kids weren't Robert's) and all Targaryans are blonde with violet eyes.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 22, 2016, 09:15:08 AM
Speaking of, whatever happened to that kid..? The... You know... What the hell was he again?

... >:(

... ...

...Joe Dempsie.  >:(
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on June 22, 2016, 01:33:57 PM
I lean more toward Jon being a Baratheon, simply because it leaves more storyline than two Targarians with pacifist leanings vying for the throne. Plus the dark hair.

I am so bored with Ramsey's demise. I mean, really? He's supposed to be some sort of brilliant, manipulative psychopath. He's inexperienced and it would make sense for that to get him eventually, but all this build up and oops he fucked up and is dead after one battle? So anti-climactic.

Super sad about Wun Wun.

Best part of the episode was Yarra hitting on Daneries.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on June 22, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
Speaking of, whatever happened to that kid..? The... You know... What the hell was he again?

... >:(

... ...

...Joe Dempsie.  >:(

Gendry. No, I didn't remember that actor's name, had to look it up. Davos freed him from Melisandre and he was taking a rowboat to King's Landing when we last saw him.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 22, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
Know him from an ancient season of Skins. But yes, that's the one. He's a Baratheon bastard, no?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on June 22, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
Yes,  he's the one Ned found and Melisandre later used for one of her spells. So he certainly could be a factor later.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Tom62 on June 23, 2016, 05:39:41 AM
I find this thread fascinating, because I'm probably the only person on HAF who doesn't watch "Game of Thrones" and hasn't got a clue what you all are talking about.   
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 23, 2016, 06:52:22 AM
I find this thread fascinating, because I'm probably the only person on HAF who doesn't watch "Game of Thrones" and hasn't got a clue what you all are talking about.

Before I started watching "The Walking Dead", I used to watch "The Talking Dead" for the same reason.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 23, 2016, 06:57:37 AM
I am so bored with Ramsey's demise. I mean, really? He's supposed to be some sort of brilliant, manipulative psychopath. He's inexperienced and it would make sense for that to get him eventually, but all this build up and oops he fucked up and is dead after one battle? So anti-climactic.

I think that was tying in with Roose Bolton's near final words to his son that if he acted like a wild dog, he'd be treated like one.  Maybe they wanted that forewarning to come true while it was still fresh.

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Best part of the episode was Yarra hitting on Daneries.

That was second best for me (it was greatly enlivened by Dany looking intrigued), my best part was Grey Worm killing the two Masters with one knife stroke.  I'm not usually big on violence, but I can't count how many times I've rewound that scene.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 23, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
Here's something I thought interesting for the thread:  Game of Thrones: Books vs. Show, Pt. 1 (https://www.thereadingroom.com/article/nothing-yet/1715).  Hoping I catch part 2 when it shows up.

By the way, I took the "Which GoT Character Are You?" quiz on the side and got Tyrion without even cheating!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 23, 2016, 09:12:21 AM
Ooh! A quiz, you say..?

The following question seriously suffers from no "Nothing. Their problem, not mine" option:
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5. Word gets out that a loved one is in trouble with the law. What do you do?

Also,
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You Got: Tyrion Lannister
Which... Yes, on a good day. My personality spans, in Game of Thrones terms, from Ramsay to Stark Sr. so I guess The Dwarf™ is not too bad a compromise.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 23, 2016, 02:39:28 PM
Ooh! A quiz, you say..?

The following question seriously suffers from no "Nothing. Their problem, not mine" option:
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5. Word gets out that a loved one is in trouble with the law. What do you do?

We work with what we get.  My response to that one would be "find out if they did it or not, and then decide", but they didn't have anything like that either.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
...I'm probably the only person on HAF who doesn't watch "Game of Thrones"...

 :scratch:

How is this even possible?  :P

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 23, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
You know, I didn't start watching it until a year or three after the release, nor was I tempted to, but then I decided to make myself relatable to humans and then there was... Well, The Dwarf™ for starters. So it is possible not to watch.

There are still things about A Game of Thrones which I greatly dislike, but it's entertaining.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2016, 11:34:29 PM
You know, I didn't start watching it until a year or three after the release, nor was I tempted to, but then I decided to make myself relatable to humans and then there was... Well, The Dwarf™ for starters. So it is possible not to watch.

There are still things about A Game of Thrones which I greatly dislike, but it's entertaining.

I was joking, I know a lot of people who don't watch GoT for a variety of reasons. ;)

They're otherworldly creatures to me but I'm aware that they do exist.  :P
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 24, 2016, 12:19:37 AM
Here's something interesting, particularly if you like listening to nerds talking (and they mention the FSM!): 
I seriously want to run barefoot thru that guy's library.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 12:40:17 AM
Ok, I couldn't understand half of what they're saying (because of their accents, it would take a while to get used to), but wouldn't any adaptation of a book to film be dumbing it down in a sense?   :query:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 24, 2016, 01:01:05 AM
Ok, I couldn't understand half of what they're saying (because of their accents, it would take a while to get used to), but wouldn't any adaptation of a book to film be dumbing it down in a sense?   :query:

I don't think that's necessarily so, altho obviously changes and cuts are inevitable.  And in some cases (cough::Jaws::cough) the movie is actually a smartening up of the book.  I think the two nerds problem was that the choices being made lately in adapting it to TV are sucking up to the lowest common denominator without improving the story.  I don't know that I'd agree it's just lately, tho I can't really say since I haven't read the books and just go on what book readers tell me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 25, 2016, 03:14:02 PM
 :shrug: Can't say whether I agree or not, as the book hasn't even been released yet. I'm assuming D&D don't exactly have much to work with other than what George Martin tells them is going to be in the 6th book, or an unfinished manuscript.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 26, 2016, 12:41:52 AM
:shrug: Can't say whether I agree or not, as the book hasn't even been released yet. I'm assuming D&D don't exactly have much to work with other than what George Martin tells them is going to be in the 6th book, or an unfinished manuscript.

At this point, I think D&D are flying solo and making their own story, independent of GRRMs novels.  Since no body seems to know when he'll ever get around to writing them.

Btw, I had a hard time understanding the Israeli guys at first too.  Took at least 5 minutes before I could wrap my ears around their accents.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Btw, I had a hard time understanding the Israeli guys at first too.  Took at least 5 minutes before I could wrap my ears around their accents.

That's some consolation. :P

Can't wait for the season finale! :jumps:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 27, 2016, 02:51:57 AM
Btw, I had a hard time understanding the Israeli guys at first too.  Took at least 5 minutes before I could wrap my ears around their accents.

That's some consolation. :P

Can't wait for the season finale! :jumps:

Me too.  I intended to watch the one that comes on at 6 p.m. and just noticed it's 6:51.  Dammit.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 27, 2016, 10:48:15 AM
So yeah... The List™ got some nice cleaning and a revision.

I was vastly pleased with the green goo explosion brooming the degenerates, although the... Whatshername..? In any case, she was kind of interesting.

Tommen got off too lightly, but dead and that pleases The Asmo. The preachy bum is gone. Finally.

Jon Snow... I'm inclined to give him a chance at being King of The North before demanding his gruesome death.
The ex-ex-queen is now strongly on the live-side.

The de-facto lord of the Vale got pretty deep onto the shitlist over night.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 27, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
*The Dead List (yes, I was keeping track)

Pycel (not sure why he had to die, other than he was a cheapskate)
Lancel Lannister
The High Sparrow (of all the people dead by whatever the glowing napalm was called, he actually had it coming)
Maergary Tyrell (really sad to see her go, but at least we still have Diana Rigg)
Loras Tyrell (he's the one I felt sorriest for -- first he had to put up with his forehead being carved, and then he died anyway)
Kevan Lannister (edited to include him, I always enjoyed his hatred of Cersai)
Tommen Baratheon (he was useless, but his death is still sad)
Black Walder Frey
Lother Frey
Walder Frey (how very Greek tragedy)

*The Red Witch should have died, but did not.  I realize she was kept alive because she's a favorite and people look forward to seeing her naked, but letting her live when she and her magic weren't going to be around to help with the zombie apocalypse was unbelievably stupid.  By that I mean I literally cannot believe anyone would do that.

*I'm seeing the pattern now in Westerosi rulers:  Aerys (crazy), Robert (useless), Joffrey (crazy), Tommen (useless), Cersai (crazy).  Hope this isn't foreshadowing for Dany.

*Also, what's going to happen when Jaime finds out that the thing he killed Aerys to prevent, Cersai actually did?  Hoping this will finally be the wedge that splits up the Lannister twins.

*What does it mean to be the Three-Eyed Raven?  What exactly is he in charge of?

*It's nice that the bannermen have all recommitted themselves to House Stark (nothing like a 10-yr old to shame a bunch of grown men) but what's going to happen when they find out it's not Ned's blood flowing in Jon's veins?  Altho he's a bastard, and his only known parent was a Stark, that bunch chanting "King in the North" seemed mostly fired up about his presumed dad.

*The future is not looking happy for Lord Baelish.  I'm assuming his continued support of the Starks was based on Sansa becoming the Lady of Winterfell and in the coming war he may pull a Lannister.  While I'm at it, it seems to me they could split the duties of heading House Stark between the siblings:  Jon can be Warden of the North and Sansa can be the Lady of Winterfell.  Might keep Baelish in line.

*The Seven Kingdoms:
The North, House Stark
The Riverlands, House Tully
The Vale, House Arreyn
The Westerlands, House Lannister
The Stormlands, House Baratheon
The Reach, House Tyrell
Dorne, House Martell (now House Sand)

bonus kingdom: The Iron Islands, House Greyjoy

Okay, so the ruling Baratheons/Lannisters, the first of which may be out of people and the second of which are out of money, are trying to stay in charge.

Heading their way is the last known member of House Targaryen with: the remainder of the Masters armada and soldiers, renegade Iron Islanders with the Iron Islands 100 best ships, the entire Unsullied Army, an enormous Dothraki Hoard and three nearly full grown dragons.  When they arrive in Westeros, they'll have the support of enormously rich House Tyrell, and Dorne which is known to have the only soldiers good enough to be able to kill dragons (tho presumably they won't have to this time).

House Stark used to be friends with House Baratheon but have no love for Lannisters.  On top of that I'm sure they'll be reclaiming the Riverlands soon enough, and Baelish has already declared the Vale's support for the North.  Not sure how much that's worth, but it still looks like House Lannister has painted itself into a very small corner.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on June 27, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
...but what's going to happen when they find out it's not Ned's blood flowing in Jon's veins?
I think it does, and even if not, I think it largely depends on what he does with that lot.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 27, 2016, 01:39:24 PM
Happy to see that the R+L=J hypothesis turned out to be more than mere speculation. I do wonder if Jon is ever going to learn about it in the next season.

I don't think that Jon is fit to rule, especially considering the battles and war to come. The Battle of the Bastards was disastrous for him, with his army's subsequent abandonment of their defensive position because of his emotionally driven gallop towards Rickon. While Robb Stark erred in other ways, he was smarter and never actually lost in the field. Jon's a good seasoned warrior, but not as good a commander. He'll lose battles but will he win the war? Has he learnt from that experience?

I wonder what Littlefinger is going to do next, try and get Jon killed as well? It must really burn to see that vision of him sitting on the Iron Throne with Sansa Lady of Winterfell slipping away. :snicker:

Kind of sad that Maergary died, I would have liked to see more of her maneuvers against Cersei. I was also curious to see where exactly she was going with all the pretended acceptance of the Faith. 

Good to see the High Sparrow go to hell, finally. And Lancel Lannister too.

Sad to see Tommen kill himself. He was a buffoon, but a somewhat innocent one.

Cersei, well, needless to say that one's crazy. I think it's going to be Jaime and not Tyrion who will kill her eventually.

So...Benjen Stark is dead? :scratch: They left Coldhands out in the series but when reading the books I always thought he was Benjen.

*Coldhands is another undead character who helped Bran and his group (including poor Hordor) get to the Three Eyed Raven.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 27, 2016, 01:45:43 PM

So...Benjen Stark is dead? :scratch: They left Coldhands out in the series but when reading the books I always thought he was Benjen.


Not entirely -- my understanding is that he's half dead.  Still alive enough to fight for the living, but also dead enough that the magic spells in that ice wall can keep him out.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 27, 2016, 02:07:45 PM
*What does it mean to be the Three-Eyed Raven?  What exactly is he in charge of?

I have no idea, though Bran's actions and reality does seem to influence the past (the Hordor episode and Ned Stark hearing him at the Tower of Joy) despite the Three-eyed raven telling him that it was not possible. If Bran's to be the next Three-eyed raven, then he could possibly influence events this way.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 27, 2016, 08:52:00 PM
BCE - I was thinking that too, Jaime will end up killing Cersai, possibly because she actually did what the Mad King set out to do, and because she drove their last living child to suicide. I think now that she doesn't have anyone else she truly loves except maybe Jaime (does she truly love him? I'm not sure) she's even more dangerous than before.

I like Dany, but I've been thinking a lot about how her taking back Westeros is supposed to go. I mean, she sees herself as the rightful heir to the throne, and she would be a hell of a lot better for the people than Cersai, but still, isn't most of Westeros going to regard her as a foreign conquerer? Because she kind of is. But I guess the commoners in Westeros are pretty much continually getting conquered in some war or another just from the warring houses, so I guess it may not make much difference to them.

Which leads me to wonder if the way this whole thing wraps up is that Dany marries Jon. She's his aunt, but I've been given to believe from the books that that's pretty par for the course for the Targaryans anyway (maybe why Aegon was mad?) and I believe they are currently the two best looking characters on the show, plus it would wrap things up nicely politically, and then they could all fight the White Walkers together.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 27, 2016, 10:51:34 PM
...they could all fight the White Walkers together.

A song of Ice (Jon Snow) and Fire (Dany). :grin:

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I like Dany, but I've been thinking a lot about how her taking back Westeros is supposed to go. I mean, she sees herself as the rightful heir to the throne, and she would be a hell of a lot better for the people than Cersai, but still, isn't most of Westeros going to regard her as a foreign conquerer? Because she kind of is. But I guess the commoners in Westeros are pretty much continually getting conquered in some war or another just from the warring houses, so I guess it may not make much difference to them.

George Martin doesn't exactly give the Westerosi commonfolk much weight in outcomes as far as I know, I don't think that in that universe what they want really matters. The only time people other than the nobility were serious power players was when Cersei armed the Faith Militant and the High Sparrow took over. Other than that, they are pretty voiceless. What could happen is that there might be a backlash after Cersei killed the High Sparrow, depending on how much the religiously inclined supported him and his Faith Militant.  :chin:

Dany's arc so far has been the exception in this aristocratic-centered storyline, her power was based on her having dragons and the people who follow her. In Westeros though, she can't rule without support of the major Houses. She already has Dorne and most probably Highgarden as well. Other Houses (excluding the North it seems) will almost certainly follow when news of what thr Mad Queen Cersei did.     

We don't know her stance on the Others and White Walkers but Jon knows all too well just how much of a threat they are. I don't think it'll come to marriage between him and Dany but as King in the North he will bend the knee to her and submit, if that's what it took to end the civil war and fight the undead threat.   
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 28, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
The preachy bum is gone. Finally.

His death had to have been particularly satisfying.

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Jon Snow... I'm inclined to give him a chance at being King of The North before demanding his gruesome death.

I dunno.  Jon strikes me as being a natural born second in command.

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The de-facto lord of the Vale got pretty deep onto the shitlist over night.

What in particular set you off?  I'd have put him on the shitlist just for his goofy dream.

...but what's going to happen when they find out it's not Ned's blood flowing in Jon's veins?
I think it does, and even if not, I think it largely depends on what he does with that lot.

This is part of what's worrying me.  So far, Jon's been pretty much crap as a Commander.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM

I don't think that Jon is fit to rule, especially considering the battles and war to come. The Battle of the Bastards was disastrous for him, with his army's subsequent abandonment of their defensive position because of his emotionally driven gallop towards Rickon. While Robb Stark erred in other ways, he was smarter and never actually lost in the field. Jon's a good seasoned warrior, but not as good a commander. He'll lose battles but will he win the war? Has he learnt from that experience?

I'm doubting it.  It seems to be a major Stark flaw that what brains they have are over-ridden by emotion.  Robb never lost in the field, but he was taken down because his feelings for his lover had him breaking important pacts and disrupting alliances he needed.

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I wonder what Littlefinger is going to do next, try and get Jon killed as well? It must really burn to see that vision of him sitting on the Iron Throne with Sansa Lady of Winterfell slipping away. :snicker:

Loved the look on Baelish's face during the "King in the North!" scene, and Sansa's slow realization that "oh, crap -- now I have this to deal with".

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Cersei, well, needless to say that one's crazy. I think it's going to be Jaime and not Tyrion who will kill her eventually.

Serve her right, too.  Now we know where Joffrey got it from.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 28, 2016, 12:48:36 AM
BCE - I was thinking that too, Jaime will end up killing Cersai, possibly because she actually did what the Mad King set out to do, and because she drove their last living child to suicide. I think now that she doesn't have anyone else she truly loves except maybe Jaime (does she truly love him? I'm not sure) she's even more dangerous than before.

I've never been convinced that Cersei truly loved Jaime -- at least, not as himself.  I think she only loves him as an extension of herself, which I think is the same way she loved her children.  They were all just reflections in a mirror for her.

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I like Dany, but I've been thinking a lot about how her taking back Westeros is supposed to go. I mean, she sees herself as the rightful heir to the throne, and she would be a hell of a lot better for the people than Cersai, but still, isn't most of Westeros going to regard her as a foreign conquerer? Because she kind of is. But I guess the commoners in Westeros are pretty much continually getting conquered in some war or another just from the warring houses, so I guess it may not make much difference to them.

I think Dany's biggest problem will be everyone knowing who's daughter she is.  The people, and Houses, of Westeros might look from Cersei to Dany and wonder which is the frying pan and which is the fire.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
I'm doubting it.  It seems to be a major Stark flaw that what brains they have are over-ridden by emotion.  Robb never lost in the field, but he was taken down because his feelings for his lover had him breaking important pacts and disrupting alliances he needed.

True, Robb ended losing the war, even though he won his battles. Sad how that turned out. *Sigh* So unfair.  :tellmemore:

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Loved the look on Baelish's face during the "King in the North!" scene, and Sansa's slow realization that "oh, crap -- now I have this to deal with".

Yep. Do you think this time she's going to tell Jon about Baelish and what he plans?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 28, 2016, 01:04:13 AM
Loved the look on Baelish's face during the "King in the North!" scene, and Sansa's slow realization that "oh, crap -- now I have this to deal with".

Yep. Do you think this time she's going to tell Jon about Baelish and what he plans?

If I were writing this story, I would have her do that.  Those two need to be a team -- they make sense as a team and the dramatic possibilities, while different, are just as good.  Don't really trust the real writers with this storyline tho, I think they're likely to go for the cheap thrills of "Sansa sneaking around and tripping things up" bit.

And speaking of sneaking around and tripping things up, how about that Arya?  Right back to whittling down her list (and I'm not sure that isn't what Jaquen both expected and wanted) and apparently crazy as a coot as well.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2016, 01:27:10 AM
Yeah, that Arya is growing up to be quite the little sociopath, but maybe that's to be expected, given the life she's led.

Sansa also seems to have a foot in that territory as well, after all, Ramsay is part of her now. Jofferey too. She really did seem to really enjoy watching Ramsay getting eaten by his dogs in the previous episode.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on June 29, 2016, 04:35:42 AM
So it's implied that Dany will marry someone. Who?  We may know she and Jon are half-siblings  but they don't, and it seems convenient if she manages to conquer King's Landing. Too fucked up? I suppose there's Littlefinger too, but I can't see that happening,and I feel like he's going to get his comeuppance eventually.

Or perhaps the  White Walker King?   ;) In all seriousness, the white walkers have to invade at some point too, don't they? They're still overlooked for the most part.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on June 29, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
Well, if she's going to make a politically advantageous marriage at this point, her options are pretty limited. Of the 7 great houses of Westeros, most of them have killed each other off at this point.

Baratheon - extinct
Lannister - Jaime or Tyrion, but Tyrion is already in her court. Jaime is a possibility I suppose, but I don't see it going that way.
Greyjoy - Euron, but they aren't a very politically powerful house, and she's already agreed to help Yarra kill him. Yarra maybe, and that would be fun, but again, probably not since the rest of Westeros doesn't really care for the Iron Islands, what with all their raping and reaving and whatnot, so it doesn't really suit her goal, plus she already has an alliance with Yarra.
Arryn - Robert, but he's a little boy and a whiny one at that
Martell - extinct as far as I know. Now occupied by the Sands, who she already has an alliance with, and I don't know if Westeros would accept a Sand, or same sex marriage, and I know Dany wouldn't marry someone who murdered an innocent little girl if she ever found out. Also, like the Iron Islands, Dorne seems kind of removed from the rest of Westeros, so I don't know if that marriage would meet her goal of winning over the Weterosi.
Tully- Edmure, but he's already married
Tyrell - I don't know that there are any marriageable Tyrell's floating around at the moment, and I think House Tyrell already supports her anyway
Stark - Bran - a possibility I suppose, but he's too young for her and seems like he will be more interested in being the three eyed raven than getting married and sitting on the Iron Throne. Or Jon, who is a Snow, but widely accepted as Ned Stark's son, and currently the King of the North, which would be politically very advantageous, given that the North is the size of all of the rest of the kingdoms combined, plus he's a Targaryon himself which as a Targaryon she would probably dig.

Or I guess there is Littlefinger, but he's a slimy little weasel and she would hate him.




Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on June 29, 2016, 02:38:24 PM
Lannister - Jaime or Tyrion, but Tyrion is already in her court. Jaime is a possibility I suppose, but I don't see it going that way.
Jamie probably wouldn't help her much since he's not technically in charge of anything.

Arryn - Robert, but he's a little boy and a whiny one at that
Hey, it's possible. Renly being gay didn't dissuade Margaery!

Tully- Edmure, but he's already married
For now...unless Arya made a bigger feast already

Stark - Bran - a possibility I suppose, but he's too young for her and seems like he will be more interested in being the three eyed raven than getting married and sitting on the Iron Throne. Or Jon, who is a Snow, but widely accepted as Ned Stark's son, and currently the King of the North, which would be politically very advantageous, given that the North is the size of all of the rest of the kingdoms combined, plus he's a Targaryon himself which as a Targaryon she would probably dig.
Agree on Bran. And it all depends on whether Bran manages to communicate what he knows to Jon/Dany. Though I can't see the producers passing on the opportunity for the "big reveal".

Or I guess there is Littlefinger, but he's a slimy little weasel and she would hate him.
True, but it wasn't like Cersei liked Robert much either. Again, marriage of convenience. Though perhaps she'd regret leaving Daario behind at that point.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 30, 2016, 02:50:48 AM
Doesn't Dany know that Jaime was the one who killed her father?  :scratch: I think that if they were to meet then there would be more than a heated discussion...

 :haironfire:

As for the Martells, Doran's other sons are still alive. In the books he sent his son Quentyn to seek a marriage alliance with her.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on June 30, 2016, 04:15:25 AM
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52fc05c9e4b08fc45bd99090/t/5773fe6ecd0f68c199d2892e/1467219570702/?format=1000w)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 30, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
Cool diagram.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 02, 2016, 12:40:14 AM
Feeling that post-GoT depression...
:(
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Ali on July 02, 2016, 12:56:33 AM
Thought you guys might find this interesting.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q483/alissasaliman/C5200689-53FF-4B28-ACB7-DEE482EB235F_zps22ogyjfx.png)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 02, 2016, 12:30:18 PM
Thought you guys might find this interesting.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q483/alissasaliman/C5200689-53FF-4B28-ACB7-DEE482EB235F_zps22ogyjfx.png)

Is that a direwolf or a wolf-like horse? :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Tank on July 10, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
Somewhat appropriate?

: show
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p296x100/13533239_1791145887834493_2813436414314546122_n.jpg?oh=ea3904b6458e92c6e30af89f04405f07&oe=5831D724)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 10, 2016, 07:17:57 PM
Ghost is definitely not represented as that large in the show! Not are the others... All the beheaded wolves have been the size of a 100lb or so animal
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on July 10, 2016, 11:26:45 PM
Ghost is definitely not represented as that large in the show! Not are the others... All the beheaded wolves have been the size of a 100lb or so animal

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. Everything else looks to scale, though
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 10, 2016, 11:33:32 PM
In the books though they are the size of a small horse, though real dire wolves did not reach that size.

From Wikipedia: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_wolf)

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Size

C. dirus was the largest of all Canis species.[20]:52 A study of the length and circumference of femur bones estimated the mean body mass of Canis dirus guildayi to be 60 kg (130 lb) and Canis dirus dirus to be 68 kg (150 lb).[18] Another study proposed that the increased stress caused in the humerus when running at maximum speed may have imposed a biomechanical upper limit on the body mass for Canis dirus dirus to be 110 kg (240 lb).[32] In comparison, the mean body mass of the extant gray wolf was 40 kg (88 lb) (with the smallest specimen recorded at 12 kg (26 lb) and the largest at 80 kg (176 lb)).[18][33][34][35][36] The figures indicate that on average dire wolves were the same size as the Yukon wolf (Canis lupus pambasileus) and the Northwestern wolf (Canis lupus occidentalis),[19] with the largest individuals possibly exceeding this size.[18]
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on August 04, 2016, 03:39:05 PM
Yeah, that Arya is growing up to be quite the little sociopath,

She cares.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on August 04, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
BCE - I was thinking that too, Jaime will end up killing Cersai, possibly because she actually did what the Mad King set out to do, and because she drove their last living child to suicide. I think now that she doesn't have anyone else she truly loves except maybe Jaime (does she truly love him? I'm not sure) she's even more dangerous than before.

I've never been convinced that Cersei truly loved Jaime -- at least, not as himself.  I think she only loves him as an extension of herself, which I think is the same way she loved her children.  They were all just reflections in a mirror for her.

Has anyone truly loved anyone long scale?
After a fashion might be workable.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 13, 2016, 10:40:22 PM
(http://gameofthronestheories.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/wall-game-of-thrones.jpg)

This showed up on my Facebook feed. :lol: Canada builds a wall.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on November 14, 2016, 12:06:09 PM
Ah, yes, but is Canada supposed to be the kingdoms of Westeros or the Greyly-evil frozen race of which The Asmo, who is about to wash off the spray tan in disgust, approves?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 26, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
Don't know if this has already been posted here...

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 26, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on February 03, 2017, 11:02:41 PM
I can't wait for Season 7, but wonder what I'm going to fill the GoT-sized hole in my heart with once it's finished.  There's the next two books to look forward to, if they're finished in the next decade, that is.  ::)

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 16, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
GoT theme song, Indian version.

One is an iPad but I have no idea what the other instrument is.  :???:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 17, 2017, 01:34:02 AM
^^^  Neat!  Isn't the next season supposed to start up soon?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 17, 2017, 11:51:14 PM
^^^  Neat!  Isn't the next season supposed to start up soon?

"Soon" is relative. When you're eagerly anticipating something, "soon" takes forever.

Only in July (16th). :pensive:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 25, 2017, 12:28:33 AM

Trailer's out! :jumps:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
You know, I really don't know if Daenerys would be a good ruler or not, but I just can't see how anyone with three dragons at her command could possibly lose.  The Mountain would be roasted alive in his tin can, the White Walkers would be melted in an instant, every human would be kindling and their forts and cities bonfires. 

My ideal ending is that Dany and Jon team up, Jaime turns coat and everyone else is very soundly defeated.  If Tyrion becomes the Hand of the Queen, that will be the cherry on the cupcake for me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 25, 2017, 01:12:44 AM
I don't know if Daenerys has the temperament to be a good ruler, is she too much like her mad father? All that inbreeding, you know...Maybe, maybe not. We shall see.

As for Jon, after seeing him in the Battle of the Bastards (when Rickon was killed by Ramsay), I don't think he has military skills necessary to be a warrior king.

Cersei Lannister is just plain nuts, I don't think she stands a chance.

My prediction: Daenarys will win the Iron Throne and allow Jon to be King in the North. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2017, 02:33:06 AM
I don't know if Daenerys has the temperament to be a good ruler, is she too much like her mad father? All that inbreeding, you know...Maybe, maybe not. We shall see.

As for Jon, after seeing him in the Battle of the Bastards (when Rickon was killed by Ramsay), I don't think he has military skills necessary to be a warrior king.

Cersei Lannister is just plain nuts, I don't think she stands a chance.

My prediction: Daenarys will win the Iron Throne and allow Jon to be King in the North.

Cersei is the Donald of Westeros.  Jon and Dany will both need more seasoned people to guide them.  Fingers are crossed (ahem) that Davos enters the picture somewhere.  Maybe he could be the Northern Hand while Tyrion is the Southern Hand?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 25, 2017, 03:03:27 AM
I don't know if Daenerys has the temperament to be a good ruler, is she too much like her mad father? All that inbreeding, you know...Maybe, maybe not. We shall see.

As for Jon, after seeing him in the Battle of the Bastards (when Rickon was killed by Ramsay), I don't think he has military skills necessary to be a warrior king.

Cersei Lannister is just plain nuts, I don't think she stands a chance.

My prediction: Daenarys will win the Iron Throne and allow Jon to be King in the North.

Cersei is the Donald of Westeros.  Jon and Dany will both need more seasoned people to guide them.  Fingers are crossed (ahem) that Davos enters the picture somewhere.  Maybe he could be the Northern Hand while Tyrion is the Southern Hand?

Yes, Davos and Tyrion are apt choices. :grin:

In the trailer (at 1:20) that could be Jorah "Friendzoned" Mormont's arm and hand, covered in grayscale. Maybe he ended up finding a cure and will go back to Dany? While he is a bit of a creep he has redeeming qualities. Probably a better bodyguard than advisor, though.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 25, 2017, 05:59:16 AM

In the trailer (at 1:20) that could be Jorah "Friendzoned" Mormont's arm and hand, covered in grayscale. Maybe he ended up finding a cure and will go back to Dany? While he is a bit of a creep he has redeeming qualities. Probably a better bodyguard than advisor, though.

I didn't notice that -- I'm going to have to re-watch.  I hope Jorah makes it to the end, I do like him tho he's definitely guard rather than politician material.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2017, 04:33:31 PM
Popcorn's been ready for a month, but now it's getting cold. :popcorn:

I need my GoT fix! :sad sigh:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 12:23:48 AM
Trailer #2 is here, in case anyone missed it. :grin:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 26, 2017, 12:49:21 AM
Looking forward to finding out how Arya got her horse, and am I mad or did I see the Hound in that one?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 12:53:38 AM
Looking forward to finding out how Arya got her horse, and am I mad or did I see the Hound in that one?

I'm guessing she probably had to steal it or something. I'm curious to know what she's looking at in that scene, could it be Winterfell? :notsure:

The Hound really does appear in this trailer (0:59).
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 12:55:33 AM
So what are your predictions for the season finale? Who wins the war and gets to sit on the Iron Throne?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 26, 2017, 05:24:23 AM
So what are your predictions for the season finale? Who wins the war and gets to sit on the Iron Throne?

Well, GRRM has promised that in the books everyone will be dead at the end but I don't know if the series people will go with that or not.  Personally, I don't see how Dani can possibly lose with those dragons.  She may not be ready to rule, but with Tyrion as her Hand, and possibly Jon as co-ruler in the North with Davos as his Hand, that won't matter too much.

What I'd really like to see is Jaime dumping his maliciously nitwit sister and taking up with Brienne.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 01:49:16 PM
So what are your predictions for the season finale? Who wins the war and gets to sit on the Iron Throne?

Well, GRRM has promised that in the books everyone will be dead at the end but I don't know if the series people will go with that or not.  Personally, I don't see how Dani can possibly lose with those dragons.  She may not be ready to rule, but with Tyrion as her Hand, and possibly Jon as co-ruler in the North with Davos as his Hand, that won't matter too much.

:notsure: Does that mean that the undead White Walkers win and take over Westeros' while factions are fighting each other? :grin: I'm beginning to hope so!

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What I'd really like to see is Jaime dumping his maliciously nitwit sister and taking up with Brienne.

Yeah, me too.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
(https://scontent.fpoa4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19113919_811909455656329_5676650888157882481_n.jpg?oh=c46ea20b8fd31930846c4e508fada150&oe=59E5AE52)

:lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 26, 2017, 06:36:45 PM

:notsure: Does that mean that the undead White Walkers win and take over Westeros' while factions are fighting each other? :grin: I'm beginning to hope so!


Ditto.  Aren't the White Walkers supposed to be the original inhabitants of Westeros, or at least one of them?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on June 26, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Is this the last season?  I thought there was going to be another after this.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 08:16:48 PM

:notsure: Does that mean that the undead White Walkers win and take over Westeros' while factions are fighting each other? :grin: I'm beginning to hope so!


Ditto.  Aren't the White Walkers supposed to be the original inhabitants of Westeros, or at least one of them?

No, if you remember in the 5th episode of last season the One-Eyed Raven shows Bran how the White Walkers were created by the Children of the Forest, who were one of the original inhabitants of Westeros, along with the Stark ancestors - the First Men - if my memory is correct:


When the Andals started to invade the Children of the Forest found their domains shrinking and so decided to create the White Walkers in order to eliminate the threat.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on June 26, 2017, 08:25:07 PM
I remember season 5 no better than I remember yesterday.  I think I ate Wheaties yesterday.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
Is this the last season?  I thought there was going to be another after this.

There's going to be a season 8, but consisting of only 6 episodes.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_8 (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_8)

Though I think this is great, the part of me obsessed with patterns wishes that it would finish in just seven seasons, due to the significance of the number seven throughout GoT: The Seven gods, the Seven Kingdoms, the seven Starks (not counting Jon) etc. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
I remember season 5 no better than I remember yesterday.  I think I ate Wheaties yesterday.

That can be a good thing actually, as it can be a good reason to watch everything again. :P
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 05, 2017, 08:49:08 AM
I remember season 5 no better than I remember yesterday.  I think I ate Wheaties yesterday.

That can be a good thing actually, as it can be a good reason to watch everything again. :P

Tried re-watching season 5 and realized why I was blocking it mentally -- it's when poor little Shireen died.  I can't handle that again.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 11, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
5 days to go!  :jumps:

Tried re-watching season 5 and realized why I was blocking it mentally -- it's when poor little Shireen died.  I can't handle that again.

Yeah, that Stannis was mad, and I was disappointed that Jon kept Ser Davos from killing Melisandre in a subsequent episode. She believed so fervently that Stannis was "the Prince that was promised" that she pushed him over the edge into madness, which resulted in him killing his innocent daughter.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 13, 2017, 11:56:15 PM
Season 7 is coming!

:frolic:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 14, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
Season 7 is coming!

:frolic:

This Sunday, right?  Must remember to lay on the snacks and turn off the phone.   :watching:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 14, 2017, 01:03:21 AM
Yep, it premiers this Sunday. :grin:

I gotta remember to buy some microwave popcorn. :popcorn:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 14, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DErpkhdXgAAwn70.jpg:large)

I don't know if I'm going to be able to watch the new series live as I cancelled my Now TV subscription which has the SKY Atlantic channel on.   Does anyone know any way of watching it free online or is that highly illegal?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 14, 2017, 04:30:35 PM
I don't have HBO so I watch an uploaded version at Cokeandpopcorn. You could download a torrent too but odds are high that you'll get some malware as well.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 15, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Massive spoiler at the end of this article.  Even I wish I hadn't seen it:  Tormund/Brienne romance improvised by actors (https://www.wheretowatch.com/2017/06/hottest-new-romance-game-thrones-was-improvised?pk_campaign=Facebook&pk_kwd=Game+of+Thrones)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 16, 2017, 09:58:31 PM
So cokeandpopcorn.ch has been shut down, unfortunately. Here (https://www.techworm.net/2017/05/coke-and-popcorn-shuts-top-three-movie-streaming-alternatives.html) are some free alternatives.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 11:55:52 PM
So cokeandpopcorn.ch has been shut down, unfortunately. Here (https://www.techworm.net/2017/05/coke-and-popcorn-shuts-top-three-movie-streaming-alternatives.html) are some free alternatives.

I put kodi on my Dad's new computer. And it doesn't have EVERY show or movie, but it does have a lot. It's free and open source. Once you get kodi, you install expdus onto it and you're solid gold.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 17, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
So cokeandpopcorn.ch has been shut down, unfortunately. Here (https://www.techworm.net/2017/05/coke-and-popcorn-shuts-top-three-movie-streaming-alternatives.html) are some free alternatives.

You're a hero. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 18, 2017, 03:00:49 AM
Epi 7.1, Dragonstone, or Winter is coming and so are the dead

As usual, the first episode of the season was all catch up, a "where are they now" primer --

Arya and the Freys.  I have to say I'm glad to see Arya still has enough basic humanity not to kill old Walder's latest pre-teen wife.

Bran and Meera.  Finally at the Wall and in the safe keeping of whoever that was left in charge of Castle Black.  I can't remember his name but I've always liked him and I hope he survives to the end of the series.

Jon rallying the remaining Northerners.  He appears to have a natural touch at it but I have to say that when you're reduced to shoring up your fighting numbers with children and old people, you are not in good shape. 

Sansa.  Oh dear, if she's serious about accepting the second in command of the North under Jon role she really needs to learn how to present a united front -- not sure that's going to ever be part of her skill set.  Altho I also thought Jon out of hand in his "you admire her" crack when Sansa's advice about Cersei sounded only as if she knew her well -- and she does.

Lady Mormont, continuing to shame grown men.

Cersei and Jaime.  She's still a paranoid nut job and he's still enabling her.  "Tommen betrayed us" indeed, more like she screwed everything up.

Euron Greyjoy is such scum.  I'm sure the present he has in mind for Cersei is Tyrion's head.  My fingers are crossed that the next time Tyrion and Cersei meet, he'll be giving her Euron's head.

Sam Tarley.  I could have lived without the Sam-among-the-scut-work montage.  Still, he was allowed to make a huge discovery if only the story allows him to live long enough to tell Jon.

Brienne and Pod, training.  Many fans I know have said the killing of the Freys was their favorite scene, but for me it was when Tormund passed the battered Pod lying in the snow and told him "you're a lucky man".  Tormund must spend his nights fantasizing about Brienne throwing him repeatedly to the ground.

Littlefinger, weasel of Westeros.  But it's good to see that Sansa is developing a nice, sharp edge.

Arya and the Merry Men.  I so hope they don't turn into rapists.  I'm told one of them is a professional singer in real life, but I don't know who.

The Hound and the Bannerless men.  So . . . is Sandor a Lord of Light visionary?  Is he going to take over Top Knot's job?

Jorah Mormont.  Since the maesters at the Citadel are research and experiment type scholars as well as simply bookish scholars, I'm assuming Jorah put himself in their hands as a guinea pig for Greyscale cures.  Hard way to treat an invalid.

And finally, Dany.  A Targaryen back in Dragonstone at last, which is conveniently around the corner from King's Landing.  Question: was Dragonstone the original capital of the Seven Kingdoms, because that looks like a throne of raw dragon glass in the anteroom.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 18, 2017, 12:02:43 PM


Arya and the Merry Men.  I so hope they don't turn into rapists.  I'm told one of them is a professional singer in real life, but I don't know who.



The ginger one who didn't say much is Ed Sheeran.

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A7EA/production/_96968924_sheeraninsta.png)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 18, 2017, 12:30:07 PM
oO(What miracles did Saint Pancreas perform after his death to deserve sainthood, one doth wonder...  :headscratch: Of all the organs..!)

I must admit, I sort of lost interest in GoT.  :( Might watch anyways at some point.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Guardian85 on July 18, 2017, 06:53:59 PM
Brienne and Pod, training.  Many fans I know have said the killing of the Freys was their favorite scene, but for me it was when Tormund passed the battered Pod lying in the snow and told him "you're a lucky man".  Tormund must spend his nights fantasizing about Brienne throwing him repeatedly to the ground.
As a former martial artist I will admit there is something sexy about a woman who can go toe-to-toe with a grown man and win...  ;)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 19, 2017, 12:54:12 AM
Jon rallying the remaining Northerners.  He appears to have a natural touch at it but I have to say that when you're reduced to shoring up your fighting numbers with children and old people, you are not in good shape. 

Jon is, IMO, a lousy military commander. He fell right into Ramsay's trap when he dashed towards Rickon last season during the Battle of the Bastards, and would have lost if it hadn't been for Sansa who sought Littlefinger's help.

Ok, maybe I'm not being fair. After all, it  was who he thought was his brother running desperately down the field while Ramsay shot arrows at him. But still, as Sansa warned him prior to the battle, Ramsay is the one who sets the traps and Jon still did exactly what Ramsay wanted him to do.   

In the latest episode, Jon seems once again not to give due value to Sansa's knowledge on Cersei. I don't think things will go too well for him.

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Sansa.  Oh dear, if she's serious about accepting the second in command of the North under Jon role she really needs to learn how to present a united front -- not sure that's going to ever be part of her skill set.  Altho I also thought Jon out of hand in his "you admire her" crack when Sansa's advice about Cersei sounded only as if she knew her well -- and she does.

I don't know about presenting a united front when the elected king is rather incompetent. Look at what happened when Jon was Lord Commander of the Night's Watch  -- he was branded a traitor was killed by his own. Would that happen again or will he learn from his mistakes?

I like the Jon character, but I do not think he is fit for the role of King or leader.

Sansa, on the other hand, has learnt a lot since the beginning from the show. From the naive little girl easily seduced by Joffery and stories of valiant knights to the young woman learning the game from the best (Littlefinger), she has certainly come a long way.

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Lady Mormont, continuing to shame grown men.

Lady Mormont is easily becoming one of my favourite characters, even if she doesn't get that much screen time. I hope George Martin leaves her alone.  ::)

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Cersei and Jaime.  She's still a paranoid nut job and he's still enabling her.  "Tommen betrayed us" indeed, more like she screwed everything up.

When Jaime confronted Cersei and basically asked what the point was now that all their children were dead, she seems just to want power for power's sake.

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Sam Tarley.  I could have lived without the Sam-among-the-scut-work montage.  Still, he was allowed to make a huge discovery if only the story allows him to live long enough to tell Jon.

Seriously, what kind of montage was that? I was like "ok, we get the point already!"

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Littlefinger, weasel of Westeros.  But it's good to see that Sansa is developing a nice, sharp edge.

Littlefinger is certainly one of the most interesting characters. Now that he told Sansa what he wants (big mistake, IMO) it's interesting to see his plans unfold in order to reach his final goal.

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Arya and the Merry Men.  I so hope they don't turn into rapists.  I'm told one of them is a professional singer in real life, but I don't know who.

I was surprised when I saw Ed Sheeran. Wasn't expecting that. 

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The Hound and the Bannerless men.  So . . . is Sandor a Lord of Light visionary?  Is he going to take over Top Knot's job?

Interesting development. Time will tell.

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Jorah Mormont.  Since the maesters at the Citadel are research and experiment type scholars as well as simply bookish scholars, I'm assuming Jorah put himself in their hands as a guinea pig for Greyscale cures.  Hard way to treat an invalid.

Hopefully he will be cured, but knowing GoT...

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And finally, Dany.  A Targaryen back in Dragonstone at last, which is conveniently around the corner from King's Landing.  Question: was Dragonstone the original capital of the Seven Kingdoms, because that looks like a throne of raw dragon glass in the anteroom.

From: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragonstone (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragonstone)

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After Aegon's Conquest of the Seven Kingdoms, Dragonstone in the newly-created crownlands served as the seat of their heir apparent, known as the Prince of Dragonstone. After Robert Baratheon overthrew the Targaryens in Robert's Rebellion, he gave the castle to his brother Stannis, creating House Baratheon of Dragonstone.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 19, 2017, 05:46:29 AM
Jon is, IMO, a lousy military commander. He fell right into Ramsay's trap when he dashed towards Rickon last season during the Battle of the Bastards, and would have lost if it hadn't been for Sansa who sought Littlefinger's help.

Ok, maybe I'm not being fair. After all, it  was who he thought was his brother running desperately down the field while Ramsay shot arrows at him. But still, as Sansa warned him prior to the battle, Ramsay is the one who sets the traps and Jon still did exactly what Ramsay wanted him to do.   

In the latest episode, Jon seems once again not to give due value to Sansa's knowledge on Cersei. I don't think things will go too well for him.

It's true he's raw but I think he has a better instinct for fairness than Sansa.  That instinct for fairness is what did him in at Castle Black, but I think it could work in his favor re-uniting his bannermen.  But this is definitely why I want Davos in place as Jon's mentor as quickly as possible.

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I don't know about presenting a united front when the elected king is rather incompetent.

Incompetent or not, he's in charge and Sansa has to learn to save the disputes for council meetings -- which Jon has to learn to include her in -- and no arguing in front of the troops.  That's just going to make a bad situation worse.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 19, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
One odd note -- I was watching GoTs Sunday with a group and one of them remarked that the writing on this episode seemed more modern than before.  I didn't think anything about it at the time, but it's been nagging the back of the mind since and I think she was right.  At least, I don't remember characters previously using terms like "OK" or "nope".  Anyone else have thoughts on this?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Guardian85 on July 20, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
Incompetent or not, he's in charge and Sansa has to learn to save the disputes for council meetings -- which Jon has to learn to include her in -- and no arguing in front of the troops.  That's just going to make a bad situation worse.
That is a thing you get drilled into you in the bar business. If you disagree with another staff member's decision, you never take it up in front of the customers. You always back your staff there and then, or you will undermine their authority in a setting where they have to have control (FYI I used to work security in bars). Afterwards you can take it up behind closed doors so it doesn't happen again.

So yeah, Sansa had a valid point, but that was not the place for it.
And in her defence, maybe discussing it ahead of time would have been a good idea.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Jon is, IMO, a lousy military commander. He fell right into Ramsay's trap when he dashed towards Rickon last season during the Battle of the Bastards, and would have lost if it hadn't been for Sansa who sought Littlefinger's help.

Ok, maybe I'm not being fair. After all, it  was who he thought was his brother running desperately down the field while Ramsay shot arrows at him. But still, as Sansa warned him prior to the battle, Ramsay is the one who sets the traps and Jon still did exactly what Ramsay wanted him to do.   

In the latest episode, Jon seems once again not to give due value to Sansa's knowledge on Cersei. I don't think things will go too well for him.

It's true he's raw but I think he has a better instinct for fairness than Sansa.  That instinct for fairness is what did him in at Castle Black, but I think it could work in his favor re-uniting his bannermen.  But this is definitely why I want Davos in place as Jon's mentor as quickly as possible.

The problem with Davos being Jon's mentor is that he is not of the North, and in my understanding the northmen are a proud lot and might not so easily accept the influence of an outsider. I think Jon's going to have to learn how to walk on his own two legs quickly if he's going to rule effectively. He might not be the best warrior king, but perhaps he could be a good king.

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I don't know about presenting a united front when the elected king is rather incompetent.

Incompetent or not, he's in charge and Sansa has to learn to save the disputes for council meetings -- which Jon has to learn to include her in -- and no arguing in front of the troops.  That's just going to make a bad situation worse.

I agree, yet it's just so interesting to see the obvious tension between Jon and Sansa in regards to who should be ruling the North. I'd bet Sansa thinks Jon has no right, even if he was elected, being a bastard.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 01:06:20 PM
One odd note -- I was watching GoTs Sunday with a group and one of them remarked that the writing on this episode seemed more modern than before.  I didn't think anything about it at the time, but it's been nagging the back of the mind since and I think she was right.  At least, I don't remember characters previously using terms like "OK" or "nope".  Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I didn't notice, but then again I wasn't paying attention and looking for modernisms. IMO, for a show heavily inspired by medieval feudalism, basically everything everyone says is too modern.  ;D They certainly didn't speak like we do, in medieval England.

Though it would be interesting if they did adopt the era-appropriate English for this show I don't know if anyone but OldGit would understand it all.  :sidesmile:   
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 21, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
So I watched the episode because... Well, someone else in the same room as my giant public display wanted to.

My impression? Hmm... Let's see...

The demise of House Frey: Uninspired. The fake old asshole's last words? True as such things go.

Sansa: Turning out to be not-so-bad in some ways... I may want that one to survive until at least mid-season.

King Jon: lacks a certain... Je ne sais jenecide. Assertiveness?

Queen whatshername: Love the new hairdo. Also, while she obviously played the pirate guy, she played him well. Now he can go die somewhere in an epic sea battle or some such and... Deplete enemy forces a little.

Queen-whatshername's-brother-lover-fellow: He's turned completely uninteresting in my book. Chop-chop time.

The white-eyed kid: Too little screen time yet, but... What the fuck happened there? Why did the other guy seem to buy whatever it was he said? When did that thing he was referring to happen?

Arya and the soldiers: Good scene. Thin, but it had a certain... Warm-and-fuzzy-whatever you rarely see when dealing with soldiers on the silver screen. Had a certain earthly humanity to it.

The Hound: I do hope he doesn't find religion, but it's a slim hope.  :( I see chop-chop times coming.

Sam: Yeah. Sure. He can live for now. However, too much screen time to accomplish little, if you ask me.

The Dwarf and the dragon queen: Yes, they most certainly should begin. Let the huge budget battle scenes commence!  ;D

Forgot any one important, yesno?
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 01:38:48 PM
The Hound: I do hope he doesn't find religion, but it's a slim hope.  :( I see chop-chop times coming.

:lol: I think it's the kind of irony that George Martin would go for. The Hound, who is deathly afraid of fire, ends up worshipping the fire god.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 21, 2017, 02:10:52 PM
I agree, yet it's just so interesting to see the obvious tension between Jon and Sansa in regards to who should be ruling the North. I'd bet Sansa thinks Jon has no right, even if he was elected, being a bastard.

This is one of my fears -- that Baelish will be made to use that tension to divide Jon and Sansa, and by extension the North, which can only result in the Night King killing them all.  Really don't want zombies winning.

By the way, it's been brought up that Jon will lose Northern support once Bran arrives with the news that Jon is Lyanna's son, not Ned's, because that would mean Jon isn't really a Stark.  But since Lyanna died still a Stark herself, I don't see how this makes Jon Snow any less of a Stark than if he was Ned's son. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 21, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
Queen-whatshername's-brother-lover-fellow: He's turned completely uninteresting in my book. Chop-chop time.

But he's still way too pretty to kill!  (and it's Cersei and Jaime, respectively)

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The white-eyed kid: Too little screen time yet, but... What the fuck happened there? Why did the other guy seem to buy whatever it was he said? When did that thing he was referring to happen?

Bran.  I don't remember the battle he referenced either -- the Fist of the Hand of Something, I don't know -- but apparently it's something only a Stark would know, and considering how few Starks are left that means he probably is Bran.

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The Dwarf and the dragon queen: Yes, they most certainly should begin. Let the huge budget battle scenes commence!  ;D

I want to see dragon-riding into combat, that's what I paid my money for.

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Forgot any one important, yesno?

I consider the possible Brienne/Tormund romance important, but that's probably because it can't all be dragon scenes.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
I agree, yet it's just so interesting to see the obvious tension between Jon and Sansa in regards to who should be ruling the North. I'd bet Sansa thinks Jon has no right, even if he was elected, being a bastard.

This is one of my fears -- that Baelish will be made to use that tension to divide Jon and Sansa, and by extension the North, which can only result in the Night King killing them all.  Really don't want zombies winning.

Yeah, I think Baelish who has his eyes set on the Irone Throne will somehow divide Jon and Sansa, but that doesn't necessarily mean the zombies win. I'm betting Jon will go south and seek Dany's help to fight off the White Walkers once she gains the Iron Throne. 

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By the way, it's been brought up that Jon will lose Northern support once Bran arrives with the news that Jon is Lyanna's son, not Ned, because that would mean Jon isn't really a Stark.  But since Lyanna died still a Stark herself, I don't see how this makes Jon Snow any less of Stark than if he was Ned's son.

I think Littlefinger already knows, and will probably use the information as leverage possibly to try and control Jon or feed the tension between him and Sansa.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 21, 2017, 02:26:05 PM
Really don't want zombies winning.
Hm. The Asmo grumpily roots for the Zs. Against pretty much all hope, yes, but He still doth.

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By the way, it's been brought up that Jon will lose Northern support once Bran arrives with the news that Jon is Lyanna's son, not Ned's, because that would mean Jon isn't really a Stark.  But since Lyanna died still a Stark herself, I don't see how this makes Jon Snow any less of a Stark than if he was Ned's son.
Personally, I don't see much potential for plot twisters of that nature there. Just doesn't seem like the way Martin operates. I think Bran will play a major part in the upcoming war against the Zs, as will Jon. My prediction? They will play those parts across some chilly fronts, yet not against each other.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 02:31:42 PM
Bran.  I don't remember the battle he referenced either -- the Fist of the Hand of Something, I don't know -- but apparently it's something only a Stark would know, and considering how few Starks are left that means he probably is Bran.

This might refresh your memory:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 21, 2017, 02:32:56 PM
I forgot one -- Lord Baelish aka Littlefinger aka the Weasel of Westeros.  What is the Grey One's take on this character?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 21, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
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But he's still way too pretty to kill!  (and it's Cersei and Jaime, respectively)
Ah, yes! I call her "Queen-whatshername" mostly because every time I start typing her name, "Caesar" comes out.

Too hot to kill..? Mmhperhaps. I don't think it will stop this particular series though.

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... Bran....
Oh! I see. Yes, that makes sense enough for me. Also, when I start typing his name, "barn" wants to come out. Psychology is... Weird.

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I want to see dragon-riding into combat, that's what I paid my money for.
Fire-breathing dragons vs. icy Zs. It is going to be epic... Provided they spare no coin. I may need to upgrade my subscription somehow... So they have more coin to not spare.  8)

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I consider the possible Brienne/Tormund romance important, but that's probably because it can't all be dragon scenes.
Ah, yes, the very, very tall lady with a somewhat... Flat-chested breastplate. I still like her. She's like... The embodiment of a good soldier in that kind of world.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 21, 2017, 02:36:51 PM
I forgot one -- Lord Baelish aka Littlefinger aka the Weasel of Westeros.  What is the Grey One's take on this character?
There is some hope that his ambitions are not as narrow as what he let on to Sansa. I want his plots to be as complex as I can fantasize them to be.

Also, at some point, he'll end up dead, and it will be somewhat disappointing. Mark The Gray words.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 21, 2017, 02:37:21 PM
Bran.  I don't remember the battle he referenced either -- the Fist of the Hand of Something, I don't know -- but apparently it's something only a Stark would know, and considering how few Starks are left that means he probably is Bran.

This might refresh your memory:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men)

Then what Bran was proving was not that he was a Stark, but that he was a seer they should cooperate with?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 21, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I thought everyone might enjoy this:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 07:42:31 PM
Bran.  I don't remember the battle he referenced either -- the Fist of the Hand of Something, I don't know -- but apparently it's something only a Stark would know, and considering how few Starks are left that means he probably is Bran.

This might refresh your memory:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Fist_of_the_First_Men)

Then what Bran was proving was not that he was a Stark, but that he was a seer they should cooperate with?

I'm not sure what Bran was proving, for all they know he could have just acquired that information via normal means. As far as I know, they didn't know that Bran was a warg, I don't think even Jon knew that about his cousin. Maybe he just reminded them that even if they were wildings, they should be let in because the dead were coming for them all.

Here's the scene:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 21, 2017, 07:44:58 PM
I thought everyone might enjoy this:

:lol: That's really good!

Trump going on about China is particularly funny to me because 'china' in southern Brazil is slang for 'prostitute'.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
(https://scontent.fpoa4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20139628_788562021317552_5611306655118356005_n.png?oh=98eda05679ccb361f8a83b2d0caca5c5&oe=59F29A64)

This made me laugh. :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on July 22, 2017, 12:42:36 AM
(https://scontent.fpoa4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20139628_788562021317552_5611306655118356005_n.png?oh=98eda05679ccb361f8a83b2d0caca5c5&oe=59F29A64)

This made me laugh. :lol:

I don't get it
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 12:50:15 AM
This is the original scene.

(https://img.maximummedia.ie/joe_ie/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaWEtam9lLm1heGltdW1tZWRpYS5pZS5zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tXFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvdXBsb2Fkc1xcXC8yMDE3XFxcLzA3XFxcLzE4MTc0MzE3XFxcL0NlcnNlaUphaW1lTWFwLmpwZ1wiLFwid2lkdGhcIjo2NDcsXCJoZWlnaHRcIjozNDAsXCJkZWZhdWx0XCI6XCJodHRwczpcXFwvXFxcL3d3dy5qb2UuaWVcXFwvYXNzZXRzXFxcL2ltYWdlc1xcXC9qb2VcXFwvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nP3Y9M1wifSIsImhhc2giOiJhMGZhYTU2YTY5ZmQzNzI3OWMzMzk3ZmE0ZWY1Zjk4NmI2N2M5YTNlIn0=/cerseijaimemap.jpg)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 22, 2017, 12:59:26 AM
Trump going on about China is particularly funny to me because 'china' in southern Brazil is slang for 'prostitute'.

 :rofl:  The things you learn every day!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on July 22, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
This is the original scene.

(https://img.maximummedia.ie/joe_ie/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaWEtam9lLm1heGltdW1tZWRpYS5pZS5zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tXFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvdXBsb2Fkc1xcXC8yMDE3XFxcLzA3XFxcLzE4MTc0MzE3XFxcL0NlcnNlaUphaW1lTWFwLmpwZ1wiLFwid2lkdGhcIjo2NDcsXCJoZWlnaHRcIjozNDAsXCJkZWZhdWx0XCI6XCJodHRwczpcXFwvXFxcL3d3dy5qb2UuaWVcXFwvYXNzZXRzXFxcL2ltYWdlc1xcXC9qb2VcXFwvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nP3Y9M1wifSIsImhhc2giOiJhMGZhYTU2YTY5ZmQzNzI3OWMzMzk3ZmE0ZWY1Zjk4NmI2N2M5YTNlIn0=/cerseijaimemap.jpg)

Are those real people then or star wars? I've never seen thus before.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 01:18:14 AM
This is the scene:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on July 22, 2017, 05:03:13 AM
This is the scene:


That explains it, I don't like game of thrones.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 03:15:04 PM
That explains it, I don't like game of thrones.


:shocked: This cannot be!  :sshocked:

Might I have some of your time to tell you about our Lord and Saviour Jon Snow, the Prince That Was Promised?   :dominidomini:
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Post by: Claireliontamer on July 22, 2017, 04:07:52 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20292824_1223884117723231_2267113895670812065_n.jpg?oh=c8408e8cefa9850436e653d9985bdd91&oe=59EBAD93)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 04:15:45 PM
Melisandre, the Red Priestess. 

:haironfire:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on July 22, 2017, 05:32:59 PM
I just now found out what thread I was posting in...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 22, 2017, 05:37:49 PM
I had imagined that was the case. :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 23, 2017, 01:12:41 AM
That explains it, I don't like game of thrones.


:shocked: This cannot be!  :sshocked:

Might I have some of your time to tell you about our Lord and Saviour Jon Snow, the Prince That Was Promised?   :dominidomini:

 :snicker:

As to Claire's "who would you kill" question, I concur with Melisandre.  Tho it is hard to pass up Cersei for the axe, and Baelish really sticks his head out there too.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 23, 2017, 01:23:07 AM
Baelish is, IMO, one of the more interesting characters so I hope he doesn't meet his demise just yet, there's just so much potential for chaos-wreaking that would be interesting to see develop.

Cersei...well, I think she's going to die soon anyway, so I wouldn't waste one death wish on her. It's a given. :chin:

Melisandre just might slip through Death's net, which is just so wrong in my mind especially after what she did to Shireen.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2017, 10:43:19 AM
Can any-one explain one thing to a wondering Asmo..?

You know, back in the seasons when the... Other king-kid. Not the sociopath one, but... Tommen, I think it was.

Why exactly did he commit suicide again..? I mean, I remember watching that scene as someone who has been on both sides of suicide and like... "Nope. Thin. Very thin. Transparent."

So... Am I missing something important?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 23, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Baelish is, IMO, one of the more interesting characters so I hope he doesn't meet his demise just yet, there's just so much potential for chaos-wreaking that would be interesting to see develop.

I am so over Littlefinger.  And I feel the need to shower after his scenes.

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Cersei...well, I think she's going to die soon anyway, so I wouldn't waste one death wish on her. It's a given. :chin:

Cersei dying is good, but never soon enough for me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 23, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Can any-one explain one thing to a wondering Asmo..?

You know, back in the seasons when the... Other king-kid. Not the sociopath one, but... Tommen, I think it was.

Why exactly did he commit suicide again..? I mean, I remember watching that scene as someone who has been on both sides of suicide and like... "Nope. Thin. Very thin. Transparent."

So... Am I missing something important?

His mother blew up the Sept with Tommen's wife in it, whom Tommen, child tho he was, appeared to sincerely love.  And honestly, since that left him living once again under Cersei's thumb, I can see his being suicidal.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2017, 11:24:15 AM
Yes, that's what I thought. But such would be a reasoned decision, demanding some time alone in a dark place, doing mental masturbation. His suicide was more sort of a "Fuck it! NOW!" type of situation, which... Sort-of has to be pre-deliberated. As in, you wake up every morning, trying to think of a few reasons not to off yourself, then your wife gets blown up in a shitstorm of green goo the remainder of which Killjoys seem to be using for their thing, and you sort of like... "Meh" and then like... *Jump*

So... Yeah. I guess my actual question is, why was it as sudden as it was? Was he suicidal before, one wonders? Did it show?

...Also, now The Asmo is fascinated with the similarity of goo... He needs a few episodes of GoT, a few episodes of Killjoys and... Super-high definition.  :headscratch: Do production companies sell each other goo, He wonders... Or do they all buy it from the same goo-maker. How does one become a goo-maker for the television industry?  :notsure:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 23, 2017, 12:07:46 PM
I don't think it showed, he seemed to be happy with his wife and, as Books mentioned, genuinely in love. With her gone maybe he thought there was nothing else to live for and decided to off himself, especially considering his mother exerted such control over his life, even if he was king.


...goo, Asmo? :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2017, 03:42:37 PM
Goo.  :sadnod:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 23, 2017, 10:28:13 PM
Yes, that's what I thought. But such would be a reasoned decision, demanding some time alone in a dark place, doing mental masturbation. His suicide was more sort of a "Fuck it! NOW!" type of situation, which... Sort-of has to be pre-deliberated. As in, you wake up every morning, trying to think of a few reasons not to off yourself, then your wife gets blown up in a shitstorm of green goo the remainder of which Killjoys seem to be using for their thing, and you sort of like... "Meh" and then like... *Jump*

So... Yeah. I guess my actual question is, why was it as sudden as it was? Was he suicidal before, one wonders? Did it show?

I don't know that I agree suicide is always a reasoned decision, rather than a rash impulse, particularly in kids and teenagers who haven't really grasped what death is yet. 

And in Tommen's case I can see a "fuck it, out the window I go" reaction.  He'd spent his whole young life under the thumb of a self-absorbed, manipulative woman who could only be trusted to consider her own interests.  And he was used to it.  Then along comes Margaery, bringing a life that's so much better -- happier and fulfilling. 

And an instant later it's all gone.  His mother has destroyed it and he's back looking at dragging thru a dismal life as her puppet again but now it's from the perspective of having briefly known freedom and love.  Given his youth, immaturity and generally passive nature I can see using the impetuous of grief for the single assertive act of freeing himself by going out the window.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 23, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
I never thought I'd say this, but it's Sunday night!  :jumps:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 23, 2017, 11:41:05 PM
Goo.  :sadnod:

And here I was thinking you were in the clay business.  ;)

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 24, 2017, 12:47:30 AM
Goo.  :sadnod:

And here I was thinking you were in the clay business.  ;)

He branches out. Why, mysterious and highly potent green goo may just hold the key to the destruction of a certain mountain dutchy. Hmm... if one were to, say, put goo under a certain mountain and then, have a candle in the said goo... Of course, an enterprising Asmo may need to kidnap a few urchins for the candle planting and some occasional stabbing... Keep their hands after... Yes. Yes... This plan is shaping up... *mumble about urchins and also a pizza pie and a rocket nozzle. Important, the nozzle. Will also need four ladders and... *
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 24, 2017, 09:30:13 AM
Epi. 7.2, Stormborn

Well, that was depressing.  So has Dany lost her fleet now?  Didn't look like there was much left.  And not sure if she still has the Dorn army if the Sands are either dead or captured.  Probably someone else will take over Dorn and might not care so much about Oberyn being dead, and even throw their support Cersei's way. 

On the plus side, at least Grey Worm and Missandei had a good time pre-parting. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 24, 2017, 12:58:15 PM
It answered the question about whether Arya knew about Jon and Sansa or not.  Something tells me her trip there isn't going to be straightforward.

I usually have a strong stomach but I had to turn away when Sam was treating the greyscale.  Yuk.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 24, 2017, 01:24:28 PM
I don't know that I agree suicide is always a reasoned decision, rather than a rash impulse, particularly in kids and teenagers who haven't really grasped what death is yet.
I'm buying this line of thought, by the way. It does seem thin to me, but then I'm not the kind of person who would for example find religion quite as easily as Tommen did, so I suppose he may have been that easily influenced and that impulsive. 

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And an instant later it's all gone.  His mother has destroyed it and he's back looking at dragging thru a dismal life as her puppet again but now it's from the perspective of having briefly known freedom and love.  Given his youth, immaturity and generally passive nature I can see using the impetuous of grief for the single assertive act of freeing himself by going out the window.
Well... Yes. Gravity is a weird weapon choice for the situation, but those were different times... In another universe...

I might need to watch the next episode. I have me an urge to find out what The Dwarf™ is up to. Asmos approve of dwarves.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 25, 2017, 01:15:38 AM
I could not get past the fact that Grey Worm and Missandie didn't close the door before their little tryst.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 25, 2017, 03:53:09 AM
I could not get past the fact that Grey Worm and Missandie didn't close the door before their little tryst.

Obviously too overwhelmed by passion for such concerns.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 25, 2017, 12:26:09 PM
The Asmo has seen the episode now too.

He has NO intuition about such things, but Himthink Jon Snow and Dana... The dragon lady, however the hells you spell her. In any case, those two will get their asses nearly-married at some point, mark His intuition-about-such-matters-lacking words. Perhaps even fully-married.

But latest Gray Analysis;

Arya's wolf no longer likes her. Good, neither does The Asmo.

Poor Reek is still paying for being a dick (That was... Clever. Was that clever? In a sort-of obvious ways? The Asmo claims cleverness.) in the early seasons.

Sansa is not paying nearly enough for being an insufferable bitch around those same times, but then... As a character, she evolved well. Has some leadership-rlated whatchamacallems that her half-ish-brother-ish lacks.

The sea battle went to the Pirate™. Somewhat unexpected, and it was far too dark and suddenly bright and generally confusing, but good for him. The Asmo approves.

The Queen Xerxes will soon have her a daughter to murder slowly in front of a mother who murdered her own daughter. I predict that will happen.

Is Reek's bisexual sister alive, The Asmo wonders? He would like her to be alive and rescued for some undefinable reasons.

Did anything else important happen?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 25, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
Watched the second episode yesterday so I'm all caught up. I didn't dare read these posts until then because this thread is dark and full of spoilers. :grin:

Random thoughts:

So, Stormborn begins with Dany Stormborn on Dragonstone, where she was born, during a storm. The scene felt a little meh because of the association with her name. Could have done without. Anyway after the group's brief conversation on what is to be done, Lady Olenna tells her to not be a "sheep", like the other lords, but instead be a "dragon" and conquer Westeros with fire. I think Lady Olenna might be a contender for the moniker "The Mad Lady", it just seems to me that she's so focused on burning Cersei alive that she stopped making sense. What's the point of destroying the realm you mean to rule? It would be a lot to rebuild. I just don't get it.

The realisation that Jon is a wight dawned on me while watching this episode, I dunno why. :shrug:
He's obviously not the same breed of zombie as those the Night King resurrects, maybe they're lacking something the Fire God gave Jon and Beric  Dondarrion (the guy brought back multiple times by Top-Knot), their "spirits" and memories maybe.

The Sand Snakes. Finally something was done to alleviate this show from the Sand Snakes! Their "Mama this" and "Mama that" talk prior to being attacked was cringe-worthy. 

Theon Greyjoy, such a broken man. He left his sister to her fate...or did he? Perhaps he only fled so that he could come up with a master plan to rescue her at a later point. :notsure:

That Euron Greyjoy is a mad dog. Is Yara going to be the "gift" he brings Cersei?

Littefinger down in the crypts with Jon, trying to wreak chaos again so that he can climb the ladder. I wonder what he's planning to do...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 25, 2017, 11:05:44 PM
The Asmo has seen the episode now too.

He has NO intuition about such things, but Himthink Jon Snow and Dana... The dragon lady, however the hells you spell her. In any case, those two will get their asses nearly-married at some point, mark His intuition-about-such-matters-lacking words. Perhaps even fully-married.

That could get complicated when Bran arrives with the information that Dany and Jon are aunt and nephew.  Altho, considering they're Targaryens, maybe not.

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Arya's wolf no longer likes her. Good, neither does The Asmo.

That made me sad, but I can see the wolf's point of view.  She has a pack of her own now, after all.

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The sea battle went to the Pirate™. Somewhat unexpected, and it was far too dark and suddenly bright and generally confusing, but good for him. The Asmo approves.

The Queen Xerxes will soon have her a daughter to murder slowly in front of a mother who murdered her own daughter. I predict that will happen.

Is Reek's bisexual sister alive, The Asmo wonders? He would like her to be alive and rescued for some undefinable reasons.

I had to watch that sea battle twice to figure out what was going on, and I'm still not sure I got everything.  Pretty sure two of Ellaria's daughters were killed, and she and the third daughter were taken captive along with Yara.  I expect they'll turn up in episode 3 as the gift Euron promised Cersei.

I'm unhappy about Yara, don't really care about the Sands.  I really can't figure Ellaria out anyway -- according to the daughter-chatter, she now accepts that Oberyn's death was his own fault (and it was) so why is she still so peeved at the Lannisters? 

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Did anything else important happen?

Well, there was Sam Tarley starting to cure Jorah Mormont of greyscale.  It looks like this treatment will take some time, and won't the maesters notice that Jorah isn't dead and his cell isn't vacant?  And does this mean we're going to have to watch Sam get greyscale?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 25, 2017, 11:19:43 PM

The realisation that Jon is a wight dawned on me while watching this episode, I dunno why. :shrug:
He's obviously not the same breed of zombie as those the Night King resurrects, maybe they're lacking something the Fire God gave Jon and Beric  Dondarrion (the guy brought back multiple times by Top-Knot), their "spirits" and memories maybe.

That never dawned on me at all.  I thought Jon and Dondarrion were in a different category from the zombies.

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The Sand Snakes. Finally something was done to alleviate this show from the Sand Snakes! Their "Mama this" and "Mama that" talk prior to being attacked was cringe-worthy. 

Yeah, no love lost here either.  They're just mindlessly violent and sadistic, which I do realize a lot of characters on this show are but I never liked any of them either.  And Ellaria just strikes me as being too many sandwiches short of a picnic to be truly interesting.

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Theon Greyjoy, such a broken man. He left his sister to her fate...or did he? Perhaps he only fled so that he could come up with a master plan to rescue her at a later point. :notsure:

Broken was exactly what I thought about him abandoning Yara too, but my girlfriend is sure he has a master plan for rescuing her.  I'll hope for the best, but Theon just does not seem a master plan type to me.

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That Euron Greyjoy is a mad dog. Is Yara going to be the "gift" he brings Cersei?

That's my assumption, along with the remaining Sands.  Perhaps Cersei will kill the Sands like the Asmo predicts, and delay killing Yara long enough for a rescue to happen?

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Littefinger down in the crypts with Jon, trying to wreak chaos again so that he can climb the ladder. I wonder what he's planning to do...

I don't know but he practically broke into the happy dance when Jon handed the North over to Sansa in his absence.

Speaking of Jon's absence, I'm wondering what will happen when Davos and the Red Witch meet up again at Dragonstone.  Didn't he promise to kill her the next time he saw her?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 26, 2017, 12:55:14 AM

The realisation that Jon is a wight dawned on me while watching this episode, I dunno why. :shrug:
He's obviously not the same breed of zombie as those the Night King resurrects, maybe they're lacking something the Fire God gave Jon and Beric  Dondarrion (the guy brought back multiple times by Top-Knot), their "spirits" and memories maybe.

That never dawned on me at all.  I thought Jon and Dondarrion were in a different category from the zombies.

They're fire wights.

I dug up the article (Time)(contains annoying autoplay video) (http://time.com/4791258/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-interview/) I briefly scanned:

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Interviewer: And Jon Snow, too, is drained by the experience of coming back from the dead on the show.

George Martin: Right. And poor Beric Dondarrion, who was set up as the foreshadowing of all this, every time he’s a little less Beric. His memories are fading, he’s got all these scars, he’s becoming more and more physically hideous, because he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing.

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The Sand Snakes. Finally something was done to alleviate this show from the Sand Snakes! Their "Mama this" and "Mama that" talk prior to being attacked was cringe-worthy. 

Yeah, no love lost here either.  They're just mindlessly violent and sadistic, which I do realize a lot of characters on this show are but I never liked any of them either.  And Ellaria just strikes me as being too many sandwiches short of a picnic to be truly interesting.

Yeah, the whole killing Mycella thing went beyond power-grabbing and into plain cruelty. I lost interest in her as a character after that. She just seems like some one-dimensional, spiteful and vengeful psychowoman.

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Theon Greyjoy, such a broken man. He left his sister to her fate...or did he? Perhaps he only fled so that he could come up with a master plan to rescue her at a later point. :notsure:

Broken was exactly what I thought about him abandoning Yara too, but my girlfriend is sure he has a master plan for rescuing her.  I'll hope for the best, but Theon just does not seem a master plan type to me.

He doesn't seem like a master planner but maybe that's to his advantage? He could become the best planner of them all if people didn't expect that sort of thing from him. I don't know, I'm just sitting here hoping he has some redeeming quality left in him. Fleeing like that purely because he is a coward just makes him...a coward.

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That Euron Greyjoy is a mad dog. Is Yara going to be the "gift" he brings Cersei?

That's my assumption, along with the remaining Sands.  Perhaps Cersei will kill the Sands like the Asmo predicts, and delay killing Yara long enough for a rescue to happen?

Yes, I'd bet that's going to happen as well.

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Littlefinger down in the crypts with Jon, trying to wreak chaos again so that he can climb the ladder. I wonder what he's planning to do...

I don't know but he practically broke into the happy dance when Jon handed the North over to Sansa in his absence.

Speaking of Jon's absence, I'm wondering what will happen when Davos and the Red Witch meet up again at Dragonstone.  Didn't he promise to kill her the next time he saw her?

I don't think he'll get the opportunity to kill the Red Witch much less be allowed to, even if he made that promise. Or maybe he throws everything to the wind and kills her anyway. Either way, there's going to be a lot of tension.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Guardian85 on July 26, 2017, 03:10:06 AM

I had to watch that sea battle twice to figure out what was going on, and I'm still not sure I got everything.  Pretty sure two of Ellaria's daughters were killed, and she and the third daughter were taken captive along with Yara.  I expect they'll turn up in episode 3 as the gift Euron promised Cersei.
I thought Ellaria and her one captured daughter were the two women hanged from the bowsprit at the end.  :???:


And while Theons action in that battle was certainly not , on the surface, the most honourable thing to do he was in a no-win situation. "Those who fight, and run away..." and all that.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 26, 2017, 07:45:01 AM
I thought Ellaria and her one captured daughter were the two women hanged from the bowsprit at the end.  :???:

I couldn't figure out who those two were, but I did wonder why the camera was spending so much time on them.  If all four Sands are dead, that will certainly put an end to nearly half of Dany's invasion forces -- she's lost her armada, and the Dornish army.  I can't imagine whoever takes over ruling Dorn after the Sands will want to push on fighting their frankly silly personal vendetta.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on July 26, 2017, 08:06:39 AM
Well, there was Sam Tarley starting to cure Jorah Mormont of greyscale.  It looks like this treatment will take some time, and won't the maesters notice that Jorah isn't dead and his cell isn't vacant?  And does this mean we're going to have to watch Sam get greyscale?
Hmm... Methink that maybe Sam will lose an appendage to that, yes.  But also, he will probably succeed in um... I wouldn't call it "curing," but at least effectively treating Ser Whatshisname.

Also, I know Sam is supposed to be a fat person, but why does he shamble about like an old fat person? The Asmo shall figure it out eventually, see if He doethn't!  >:(

That never dawned on me at all.  I thought Jon and Dondarrion were in a different category from the zombies.
Oh, he's a Z. A different kind from the Walker King's Zs, but still... I can see how Martin had to demand that as a price for reanimation. Otherwise, it would more or less have broken the game. "Dead but intact, you say?! No worries! Drag them priests over 'ere for a visit!"

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Yeah, no love lost here either.  They're just mindlessly violent and sadistic, which I do realize a lot of characters on this show are but I never liked any of them either.  And Ellaria just strikes me as being too many sandwiches short of a picnic to be truly interesting.
I agree. While they did provide some sort of light-hearted whatsitcalled, totally boring.

That said, I don't think too many other characters have been mindlessly violent or sadistic. King Got-His-Ass-Poisoned was a pampered sociopath, and in his case, I do think that the description applies. Lord Bastard Ramsay, however, was... Intricately psychopathic, and smart/wise enough to know that he was good at it and to use it to his advantage. Ser Mountain... He just likes fighting and killing, I think. In a simple sort of way. Also, he's a Z now, so his ways must be excused, yes? Zs are a murderous bunch, on the whole. Ser Hound is more of a knight than most knights, despite his impolite and sometimes murderous ways... Who else is on the mentally disordered list of one sort or another? Queen Dragon Lady... That one still has a lot of learning to do before I find her likeable beyond the blondness of her hair. Queen Xerxes (I shall learn to spell her name one day. Shall too!) uses violence as a tool. The elderly Frey feller was deeply unpleasant, but same story - a path of least danger to his person may have sometimes involved some backstabbing baby-murdering ways, but I don't think there was much mindless cruelty to him, more... Him being a product of his time in his universe.

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Broken was exactly what I thought about him abandoning Yara too, but my girlfriend is sure he has a master plan for rescuing her.  I'll hope for the best, but Theon just does not seem a master plan type to me.
I agree, and yet I do think he ran to find a way to fight another day.

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That's my assumption, along with the remaining Sands.  Perhaps Cersei will kill the Sands like the Asmo predicts, and delay killing Yara long enough for a rescue to happen?
Here is to hoping! I like Yara in a sort of I-would-date-her kind of way.

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I don't know but he practically broke into the happy dance when Jon handed the North over to Sansa in his absence.
Well, if he wants to rule the seven kingdoms with Sansa at his side... If there really is no more to his ambitions... (Grand as they are, in him, I find the scope slightly... Disappointing)

Still, at the end of the day, I think his loyalty to Sansa extends just as far as he can use her, so... Maybe there is more to it. Now, to avoid killing his ass until his endgame is certain.

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Speaking of Jon's absence, I'm wondering what will happen when Davos and the Red Witch meet up again at Dragonstone.  Didn't he promise to kill her the next time he saw her?
...If she came North, he would. That's what he said.

I think there will be an insufferably long scene of "ooh, this is awkward" and that all participants will emerge disappointingly alive.  :(

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 26, 2017, 02:44:07 PM

I had to watch that sea battle twice to figure out what was going on, and I'm still not sure I got everything.  Pretty sure two of Ellaria's daughters were killed, and she and the third daughter were taken captive along with Yara.  I expect they'll turn up in episode 3 as the gift Euron promised Cersei.
I thought Ellaria and her one captured daughter were the two women hanged from the bowsprit at the end.  :???:


And while Theons action in that battle was certainly not , on the surface, the most honourable thing to do he was in a no-win situation. "Those who fight, and run away..." and all that.

That's what I thought, although usually we get a much clearer picture of a major character death and the entire scene was extremely confusing.

It doesn't outwardly make as much sense to kill them as take them prisoner, however I suppose his "thing" is being batshit and somehow that's just worked for him up until now. Not sure why Cersi would want to be so closely aligned with that, unless she's planning to use him for a singular purpose then kill him but even then he doesn't seem reliable. I foresee him pulling a Custer in the next few episodes.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 31, 2017, 01:37:42 AM

I had to watch that sea battle twice to figure out what was going on, and I'm still not sure I got everything.  Pretty sure two of Ellaria's daughters were killed, and she and the third daughter were taken captive along with Yara.  I expect they'll turn up in episode 3 as the gift Euron promised Cersei.
I thought Ellaria and her one captured daughter were the two women hanged from the bowsprit at the end.  :???:


And while Theons action in that battle was certainly not , on the surface, the most honourable thing to do he was in a no-win situation. "Those who fight, and run away..." and all that.

That's what I thought, although usually we get a much clearer picture of a major character death and the entire scene was extremely confusing.

It doesn't outwardly make as much sense to kill them as take them prisoner, however I suppose his "thing" is being batshit and somehow that's just worked for him up until now. Not sure why Cersi would want to be so closely aligned with that, unless she's planning to use him for a singular purpose then kill him but even then he doesn't seem reliable. I foresee him pulling a Custer in the next few episodes.

Pulling a Custer. This expression is new to me. Is it in reference to the Battle of the Little Bighorn?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 31, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
Ep. 7.3 The Queen's Justice

Just a few random thoughts:

As much as the story arc continues to depress me (I was so Team Dany), the scenery around Dragonstone is magnificent.  Would love to know where these scenes are shot.

This epi had a number of choice lines in it, delivered deftly:
  "This place has changed."  Davos' opinion of Dragonstone
  "What a twat."  Euron's opinion of Theon
  "They just like severed heads really."  Euron's opinion of the mob
  "You  look a lot better brooding than I do.  It makes me feel that I'm failing at brooding about failing."  Tyrion's opinion of Jon's superior brooding
  "He really was a cunt, wasn't he?"  Olenna's opinion of Joffrey

(as much as I dislike slang for female sex parts being used derogatorily, I have to agree with the feelings behind these comments)

Somewhat disappointed by the lack of an awkward meeting between Melisandre, and Jon and Davos.  However I am intrigued by the possible foreshadowing of Varys and Melisandre dying together in her comment about both of them having to die in Westeros.

OK, so 2 or 3 of Yara's ships escaped, but no Sands or Greyjoys.  So armada gone, Dorn army gone and I really don't think Theon ran away to live and fight another day, it looks like he just ran away to live another day and too bad about his sister.  Sadly, I think Theon is definitely on his way back to Reeklandia.

And only the Sands were turned over to Cersei as gifts, Euron kept Yara for himself.  Poor Yara.  And poor me -- I hate Euron but damn him he is funny and that's my weakness.

And while I'm feeling bad about myself, that was a terrible vengeance Cersei visited on Ellaria but I still can't care about the Sands at all.

Is it just me, or does Bran look a lot older now than he did in epi. 7.1?

Jorah's cure was awfully quick for something so wide-spread and horrible.  It's really stretching credulity but I suppose they have to get him back in the fight ASAP.  Is having a Westerosi military man on hand supposed to help?

So . . . are the Unsullied lost now too?  They seem trapped in Casterly Rock by Euron's fleet with no food and depleted ranks.

Sad to see the end of Lady Olenna -- I really liked her -- but I loved her final scene and how she got in one last thrust to the gut in telling Jaime that she killed Joffrey when it was too late for him to change her painless death into a painful one.  Paid them back in advance for stealing all High Garden's money.

Not glad to see that Bronn and Tyrion are now fighting on different sides.

Glad to see Brienne will be fighting again in the next epi.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 31, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
I think I read that Dragonstone is set in Spain.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 31, 2017, 02:33:49 PM
I think I read that Dragonstone is set in Spain.

Must visit Spain.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 31, 2017, 02:40:17 PM
Just looked it up -- Dragonstone exteriors are filmed in Downhill Strand, a beach in County Derry, Ireland.  Well, that's more local to other places I'd like to visit but I still want to visit Spain (had a dream about Barcelona once).
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 31, 2017, 02:49:21 PM
The steps are in Spain apparently...http://www.india.com/travel/articles/you-can-walk-the-steps-of-dragonstone-from-game-of-thrones-in-spain/
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on July 31, 2017, 11:05:24 PM
The steps are in Spain apparently...http://www.india.com/travel/articles/you-can-walk-the-steps-of-dragonstone-from-game-of-thrones-in-spain/

Makes me wonder how many locations they have for one imaginary place?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 01, 2017, 02:10:42 PM
This episode was a little off putting, I mean, it was so obvious when Jon arrived on Dragonstone's shore that he was going to be a prisoner trapped guest on Dany's grounds. While she's definitely come far (from Visery's sister to Khal Drogo's broodmare to a serious contender for the Iron Throne) she still lacks the bigger picture, even when Jon has spelt it out for her. I wouldn't blame her though, she must think that Jon is mad, but dead armies and White Walkers isn't something unheard of in Westerosi history.

I too am curious to see what will happen with Melisandre. Maybe Davos will get to kill her after all if she must die in Westeros. Varys though... :notsure: Hopefully he won't die too soon.

Yeah...Theon, I mean Reek. Disappointing.

This episode has done nothing to make me feel sorry for the Sands. Good riddance.

Bran does look older, or is it because he's lost weight? Or cut his hair? I don't know, I don't remember how he looked in 7.1 and I'm too lazy to rewatch it. :P I'm just eager to see Bran tell Jon about his parentage. Hopefully Dany will release Jon in the next episode and we can see that happen.

Too bad about Lady Olenna, it is a pity. I will miss her dry wit in this show.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 01, 2017, 02:50:32 PM
Bran in season 1

(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Bran-Stark-Season-1.jpg)

I'm sad about Lady olenna. The rest of them can fuck off.

I'm discouraged because I don't see any satisfactory conclusion in the time left. BFs theory is that the White Walkers win.

Other interesting theories:

Tyrion is a traitor to Dany. Not sure I buy it, but interesting.

Jamie is going to kill Cersi. That I would really love to see.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 01, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
I'm discouraged because I don't see any satisfactory conclusion in the time left. BFs theory is that the White Walkers win.

I think that's what GRRM has in mind for the books, don't know about D&D for the show.  I hope not, I really hate zombies.

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Other interesting theories:

Tyrion is a traitor to Dany. Not sure I buy it, but interesting.

Jamie is going to kill Cersi. That I would really love to see.

Totally with you on Jaime killing Cersei -- should have happened after she pulled the wildfire stunt.  He killed the Mad King for less than that, after all.

It would make me sad if Tyrion betrayed Dany, but I can sort of see it in the context of this show.  But for me it would only be worth it if Tyrion somehow ends up on the Iron Throne.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 01, 2017, 10:28:16 PM
If I had to guess, Jon and Dany will end up married before this show is done, then they can rule a united kingdom as monarchs in their own right. I mean, think about it, they've only just met this episode and already there's interpersonal conflict! They would make a perfect couple. :grin:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 01, 2017, 10:50:32 PM
If I had to guess, Jon and Dany will end up married before this show is done, then they can rule a united kingdom as monarchs in their own right. I mean, think about it, they've only just met this episode and already there's interpersonal conflict! They would make a perfect couple. :grin:

That aunt/nephew thing shouldn't be a problem since the Targaryens were into incestuous marriages after all.  Not really sure how traditional Dany is, tho, and Jon may take some real convincing.  Honestly, at this point I just hope they're both alive at the end of the series -- which is now only 10 episodes away.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 01, 2017, 11:46:36 PM
That aunt/nephew thing shouldn't be a problem since the Targaryens were into incestuous marriages after all.  Not really sure how traditional Dany is, tho, and Jon may take some real convincing.  Honestly, at this point I just hope they're both alive at the end of the series -- which is now only 10 episodes away.

Maybe not as much convincing as giving up his title of King in the North, though. If Cersei doesn't kill Dany's dragons then they'd be invaluable in the fight against the dead army and marriage would be a way to join forces in that fight. Since Jon is focused on that war to come he might even suggest it.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 02, 2017, 01:15:49 AM
Maybe not as much convincing as giving up his title of King in the North, though. If Cersei doesn't kill Dany's dragons then they'd be invaluable in the fight against the dead army and marriage would be a way to join forces in that fight. Since Jon is focused on that war to come he might even suggest it.

Do you think he really wants to be King in the North tho?  He seems rather tepid about the whole thing.  I think he'd rather just go back to being Commander of the Night's Watch, leave the North in Sansa's hands and let her sort out the knee bending thing with Dany -- if they survive the war with the dead.

New topic:  dragon-riding.  We've got three dragons and have been promised (I dimly remember) three riders.  Drogon is spoken for, so what about the other two?  I can see Jon Snow riding Rheagal, he seems an obvious pick when push comes to shove in dealing with both Cersei and the Army of the Dead, but what about Viserion?  I've seen both Tyrion and Bran (who'd warg rather than ride) suggested but I can't really warm up to either.  What about Grey Worm (assuming he survives Casterly Rock), or Jorah?  Or maybe Yara, if she survives Euron?  If she can ride waves, she can ride a dragon.
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Post by: Firebird on August 02, 2017, 03:59:49 AM
I would not be surprised at all if Jamie killed Cersei. In fact, it almost seems too obvious to actually happen. But maybe I'm overthinking it. I also really hate the Bran/3-eyed raven storyline, personally. It always felt like it was dragging on and on and broke the momentum of the show whenever they were showing it.

Someone on facebook said that you can almost think of the White Walkers as an analogy for climate change, as the true threat that people don't want to believe. I'm not sure that that's intentional, but it was interesting to think about nonetheless.

Also, I'm not looking forward to seeing what happens to Theon's sister. Given the history of this show, I don't think it's going to end well for her.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 02, 2017, 05:44:03 AM

Someone on facebook said that you can almost think of the White Walkers as an analogy for climate change, as the true threat that people don't want to believe. I'm not sure that that's intentional, but it was interesting to think about nonetheless.


I thought the same thing when Tyrion made that comment about monsters like White Walkers being too much to bear, so it was easier to concentrate on ordinary monsters like Cersei instead.  That does seem like climate change vs. Trump all over.
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Post by: Asmodean on August 02, 2017, 10:04:35 AM
Time for an Asmonalysis then, in no particular order of time.

By the way, do others too have trouble with the timeline of GoT? I struggle to follow it in a linear fashion. Events that ought to take months and years seem to take at most weeks and what have you.

In any case,

The Queen's Gambit, I liked. Send the army to conquer the money people, get the Pirate™ to sneak up on an enemy fleet on a clear day from open sea... Sacrifice a rook but save the knight and his pawns, while tying up a number of opposing pawns and a... Bishop, let's call him, in the process.

My opinion of Queen Xerxes is again on the rise. They call her a monster, the Dwarf™ and the old funny-hat lady, but... Would any-one remind me exactly why she is a monster? As seen through the eyes of the GoT universe? So she blew up a church, killed a direwolf, fucked her brother (And it does takes two to do that tango, I might add) what else..? Because like... Small potatoes.

The meeting of the Dragon Queen and the Northern King was anticlimactic, verging on boring. She invoked an oath. He's neither a Stark nor the first to have broken it. He invoked the Zs. She is not interested in Zs at this time. He gets obsidian, she may get an ally down the road. Yeah, yeah... The whole thing was unconvincing. Still, them's gonna sleep together at some point. The Asmo still thinks that hypothesis will prove accurate.

There was a thin implication of the Spider heading to an unfortunate demise... Too bad, I like him. Still, the red woman did not state anything beyond that they would both die in Westeros, so... Who knows?

What else happened..? Yes, Bran-thing went pretty much as I predicted, though King Snow was not there. I find that story line reasonably transparent interaction-wise.

The Queen's Revenge went as predicted too, though we have yet to have seen the Dorn girl actually die... Same goes for the funny-hat lady. Shame about that. Here's to hoping she has some antidote stashed in her room somewhere... Although, that would be quite unlike Mr. Martin.

Also, yes, they do "just like severed heads, really" and The Asmo, He does too. He would make a good mob, The Asmo would. ;D

So Yara is alive and there is some hope of her staying that way. Good. Reek was fished out of the sea. Expected. I still do think that he has a fight-another-day kind of role to play in the episodes to come.

Did anything else happen?

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Post by: Davin on August 04, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
I think this might have been posted already, but I'm too apathetic about it to check.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 04, 2017, 06:03:59 PM
^ Is 'Throme' a misspelling or does it mean anything? I tried looking it up and haven't found a definition. :notsure:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Davin on August 04, 2017, 06:07:08 PM
I think it's just a misspelling. Looks like the graphics guy just got lazy and copied the 'M'. Or maybe it's meant to hide from the IP lawsuits.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 04, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
Maybe not as much convincing as giving up his title of King in the North, though. If Cersei doesn't kill Dany's dragons then they'd be invaluable in the fight against the dead army and marriage would be a way to join forces in that fight. Since Jon is focused on that war to come he might even suggest it.

Do you think he really wants to be King in the North tho?  He seems rather tepid about the whole thing.  I think he'd rather just go back to being Commander of the Night's Watch, leave the North in Sansa's hands and let her sort out the knee bending thing with Dany -- if they survive the war with the dead.

New topic:  dragon-riding.  We've got three dragons and have been promised (I dimly remember) three riders.  Drogon is spoken for, so what about the other two?  I can see Jon Snow riding Rheagal, he seems an obvious pick when push comes to shove in dealing with both Cersei and the Army of the Dead, but what about Viserion?  I've seen both Tyrion and Bran (who'd warg rather than ride) suggested but I can't really warm up to either.  What about Grey Worm (assuming he survives Casterly Rock), or Jorah?  Or maybe Yara, if she survives Euron?  If she can ride waves, she can ride a dragon.

I don't think Jon wants to be King in the North, I think he might have felt obligated by a sense of duty to Stark's bannermen after they elected him. I don't think he wants to be Commander of the Night's Watch either, as he himself said after he was brought back to life and was leaving Castle Black "My watch has ended". I think the betrayed was probably too much for him, and he probably felt could do more elsewhere. He hasn't lost focus though, he's still got his mind bent on the White Walkers and the coming war against the dead. But yeah, if we see what happens after that war (and if they survive of course, nothing is a given) then I'm also curious to see whether Jon will continue to be King in the North. I also wonder what will happen once Bran tells Jon of his true parentage. With Ned's last trueborn son (Bran) back and Jon not being Ned Stark's son might put him even further from the Northern Kingdom's throne.

Maybe Littlefinger will try and manipulate Bran. :notsure: If he does, I don't think he'd ever be successful at that, knowing that Bran could see all of Baelish's past actions. Pity there's no Hodor anymore to hold Baelish's neck for the crippled boy.

As for the dragons, if memory serves only Targaryans can ride the dragons? If this is true then the fan theory that Tyrion is also a Targaryan bastard must be true in order for him to ride Viserion. It's very possible that one or more dragon can die until Dany finally takes the Iron Throne, if she does. Maybe Viserion does. :shrug:

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 05, 2017, 12:30:57 AM
I think I posted these here before, but here goes again, in case anyone who hasn't seen these bad lip-reading videos.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on August 05, 2017, 12:23:50 PM
With Ned's last trueborn son (Bran) back and Jon not being Ned Stark's son might put him even further from the Northern Kingdom's throne.
I don't quite get Mr. Snow's heritage...

Is he like the product of the mad king's whatstheirrelation and Ned Stark bumping uglies? Or..? Who's the damned father? Judging from how genetics seem to work in that universe, my money is on a Baratheon of some kind..? Then again, Bran is Ned's kid, and he does kinda' look like Jon to a few first degree approximations. (Hair/eyes/jaw - that sort of stuff) More like Jon than like the Red Wedding brother, anyways. The other kid... You know, the one Ramsay, the very-well-played psychopath, shot to death..? That kid sort of looked more like the other brother. So does Arya. Sansa... Grew up to not really look like any of them, but if I HAD to approximate, I would put her in with those three as well, mostly because I can sort-of see her being her mother's daughter and the rest is age and circumstances.

But then, what the hell do I know? For starters, both Bran and the shot kid were basically in the story from before their voices broke. Kids do grow up according to their own genetic template, not the wishes of screenwriters.

So yeah. Any one care to draw a pretty little family tree for The Asmo with an explanation or two?
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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 05, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
So yeah. Any one care to draw a pretty little family tree for The Asmo with an explanation or two?

Well, as far as the Starks are concerned, Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon are all Ned Stark's kids with his wife, Catelyn.  Jon Snow is the bastard son of Ned's sister, Lyanna Stark, and Rheagar Targaryen, who was married and apparently kidnapped Lyanna.  I say apparently because I think she willingly ran off with him rather than marry her fiance, Robert Baratheon.  Ned claimed that Jon was his bastard, however, to keep Robert from killing the baby as revenge for the loss of his fiance (he was killing all Targaryens for that at the time).

This makes Jon the nephew of Dany because Rheagar was Dany's oldest brother, which also makes Jon the grandson of the Mad King with possibly a claim to the Iron Throne altho as a bastard I'm not sure if his claim would be before or after Dany's.
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Post by: Claireliontamer on August 05, 2017, 06:03:15 PM
Has anyone watched the leaked episode?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 05, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
Has anyone watched the leaked episode?

Not yet. Do you have a link? I'm watching all episodes online (solarmoviez.to) but episode 4 doesn't load. I don't know if it's because the server's too busy or it was removed.  :scratch:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 05, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
Argh, now that it's loading I'm going out for the evening! I think I can survive putting it off until tomorrow. I think. :P
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 06, 2017, 03:14:49 AM
As for the dragons, if memory serves only Targaryans can ride the dragons?

This is something I've never been clear on -- is it that only Targaryens can ride dragons, or that only Targaryens have ridden dragons?
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 06, 2017, 04:01:37 AM
I'm not sure :notsure:. I'll look up an answer in the morning.:smilenod: 
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Post by: Asmodean on August 06, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
I wonder if the hot queen... The other hot queen's ballistae will prove effective weapons against dragons. I'd... Like them to be.

 :popcorn:
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 06, 2017, 03:28:42 PM
For Asmo:

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mnvy-G4NceahW8e1W7kiJJPBBmU=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6642301/house_targaryen_complete_family_tree_by_poly_m-da5q943.jpg)

Jon isn't depicted in this family tree, but he would be there in the bottom right. As Books said, Daenery's brother Rhaegar Targaryen and Ned Stark's sister Lyanna are his parents.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 06, 2017, 03:43:24 PM
As for the dragons, if memory serves only Targaryans can ride the dragons?

This is something I've never been clear on -- is it that only Targaryens can ride dragons, or that only Targaryens have ridden dragons?

From: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Dragons (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Dragons)

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While the specific methods used in training them are not widely known at the time of the novels (such information was nearly all lost in the Doom of Valyria), it has long been believed that only those who possess Valyrian blood (such as the Targaryens) can bond with and ride dragons. This may be for the simple reason that the Valyrians were the first to accomplish this feat, and dragons do seem to be inherently friendlier around people with at least some Valyrian blood. During the Dance of the Dragons, for example, Rhaenyra Targaryen had many dragons at her disposal but not enough allies able to ride them. Therefore, she sought out any surviving Targaryen bastards in the hope that their partial Valyrian descent would enable them to bond with the dragons (which some were able to do, but not others).

From: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragon (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragon)

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Dragons will not simply allow anyone to mount them. They seem to be very selective of who they allow become their rider. The rider having Valyrian heritage might be a factor. Once a dragon bonds with a rider, that dragon will not allow anyone else to mount it while its rider lives, though dragons will allow new riders once their previous rider is deceased. No rider though has ever ridden a different dragon while his/her current dragon was alive.

There seems to be a special bond between a dragon and its rider. A dragon might to be able to sense when its current rider is in distress or has died. This is implied in the case of the dragon Dreamfyre, who, despite being locked and chained in the Dragonpit, sensed when her rider Helaena Targaryen committed suicide in Maegor's Holdfast. At the moment of Helaena's death Dreamfyre rose suddenly with a roar that shook the Dragonpit and snapped two of the chains that bound her.

So apparently one does not have to be a Targaryen, though having Valyrian blood goes a long way in training dragons.

There is a fan theory that Tyrion is also secretly a Targaryen -- the Mad King may have raped Tywin's wife when he visited them in Casterly Rock. This could be why the dragons allowed Tyrion to unchain them.

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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 06, 2017, 06:12:17 PM
There is a fan theory that Tyrion is also secretly a Targaryen -- the Mad King may have raped Tywin's wife when he visited them in Casterly Rock. This could be why the dragons allowed Tyrion to unchain them.

Cool.  Could also give a reason beyond sour grapes and being a bad father for Tywin's "you're not my son" comment.  Who else is Valyrian, other than the Targaryens?  And they'd be from Essos, right?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 06, 2017, 06:54:13 PM
There is a fan theory that Tyrion is also secretly a Targaryen -- the Mad King may have raped Tywin's wife when he visited them in Casterly Rock. This could be why the dragons allowed Tyrion to unchain them.

Cool.  Could also give a reason beyond sour grapes and being a bad father for Tywin's "you're not my son" comment.  Who else is Valyrian, other than the Targaryens?  And they'd be from Essos, right?

Yeah, that's one aspect of the fan theory that believers cite as evidence. Besides blaming Tyrion for his wife's death in childbirth maybe Tywin knows that Tyrion isn't his and just pretends he is to avoid humiliation at the hands of the Mad King.  :shrug:

I know the Baratheons have some Targayren blood through the female line, that's why Robert was able to usurp the throne, backed by other noble families including the Lannisters, who saw him as having some right to sit on the Iron Throne.

Yes, the Targaryens are originally from Essos and Dragonstone, the seat of their power before they invaded and conquered Westeros. 

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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 07, 2017, 06:20:22 AM
Epi 7.4, Spoils of War.  Holy freaking crap!  I'm sure it was a dull battle to the Asmo but, not being an Asmo, I cannot be blase about so much fire and blood.

Definitely enjoyed the scene of Anya and Brienne practicing together -- have a feeling that a) they're going to end up training each other, and b) they emerge as two of the best fighters in Westeros.

Bran is getting more and more boring to me.  Even the knowing things and visions isn't doing anything for me.

All thru this episode I kept thinking "I am going to be so unhappy if Bronn dies", so whew.  But I suppose he can still drown while rescuing armor laden Jaime.

Continuing to worry about how Yara is doing in Euron's clutches.

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Post by: Claireliontamer on August 07, 2017, 10:02:05 AM
One thing that confused me: at the end was Tyrion rooting for Jamie?  I mean I guess they are brothers after all but does this mean his allegiance isn't really with Dany?
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Post by: Davin on August 07, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
One thing that confused me: at the end was Tyrion rooting for Jamie?  I mean I guess they are brothers after all but does this mean his allegiance isn't really with Dany?
Jamie was the person in Tyrion's family who treated him the least worst.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 07, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
One thing that confused me: at the end was Tyrion rooting for Jamie?  I mean I guess they are brothers after all but does this mean his allegiance isn't really with Dany?

I think he's loyal to Dany, but still wanted Jaime to escape.  It's a hard situation to be in, esp as Davin pointed out, Jaime is the one relative he's had anything like a good relationship with.
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Post by: Asmodean on August 07, 2017, 07:16:41 PM
Wha..? The 'Smo heard His name mentioned..?

Why, yes. The battle, if that it could be called, was a dull affair. Ser Merc's chaotic run to the ballista, I buy. The uh... Army having just one such when they knew the enemy had dragons, I do not. Also, Ser Merc should have been more on target with a weapon like that. It's not a torsion catapult - it's a giant crossbow. Those are highly accurate machines.

Still, I like the ballista being that effective. I want to see one or two of them dragons shot out of the air in a more permanent fashion at some point.

I was overall disappointed with the episode. Bran the wheelchair raven is in chop-chop land, although I think he'll at the very least live to face the Zs. Jamie not throwing the spear at the distance he was at... He was riding towards it. While we did not more than glimpse the movement, he had to see the dragon turning. Sorry, too thin. The dragon queen ought to have died or been seriously injured there. Reek... Yeah. That was pretty much what I expected. Run to find a way to get sister back. Still, some journey would have been nice. It almost feels like the screen writers are giving up on boobs and character development... Shame. Special effects only buy you some Asmoproval. The story does the rest. One exception; can Snow and the dragon queen just get to the point where alliance by marriage already?! Because their relationship is heading there with the speed of a 100-season soap opera. Fucking fuck and say your vows already! Or just do the vows thing... Or just the sex. That would be acceptable. Get ON with it!

As for the Dwarf, I agree with the above, but also I think he just... Doesn't like to see good people throw their lives away.

Best-liked characters (this episode only) Ser Merc, Sansa
Least liked: Arya, Bran, Dragon Queen, Lord Weasel, Bran and the wheelchair kid.
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Post by: Asmodean on August 07, 2017, 07:41:37 PM
Afterthought;

You know... One unexpected thing has been happening for a long time, and this episode tipped the scale. As good as dead as they may be, I find myself rooting for the Lannisters.
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Post by: Firebird on August 07, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
Tyrion and Jamie have always been close. Don't forget that Jamie was the one who helped him escape from his father.  Tyrion wants to take down his sister because he knows more than anyone how evil she is, and that's why he's with Daenarys. Makes perfect sense that he wouldn't want Jamie to die. And let's remember that Jamie now knows for sure that Tyrion did not kill Joffrey after all. Jamie will turn on his sister somehow. May not mean he kills her directly, but there will be some betrayal.
Loved the battle. Loved the mix of wide pan shots and up close combat, the one-shot of Bron dodging through the battle to get to the Scorpion, even the appearance of the Dothraki far off on the hill. Just a glimpse at first, but the long line of them in the hill, knowing how many are behind them... Awesome.
The Bran storyline has always been the weakest element of this show, and I can't wait for it to be done somehow. I get what they were trying to do with him, but the whole 3-eyed raven mythology and explanation has been done very poorly and doesn't seem to fit into the rest of the show's world somehow. Sadly, it'll probably be there until the end because clearly the writers have some sort of massive reveal set up there, probably about Jon Snow's true lineage. It will be interesting to see what comes of Littlefinger and whether he did try to have him killed in season 1.
Strong start to the season so far. I'm looking forward to the rest, though wondering how they'll resolve so many story lines with so little time left.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 08, 2017, 12:49:05 AM
Jamie will turn on his sister somehow. May not mean he kills her directly, but there will be some betrayal.

I live for this scene.  It's second in line after the dragons being ridden into battle.  Which, check.

In the meantime, does anyone else think Dany was riding Viserion, not Drogon?  That dragon looked like it had gold markings to me.


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Loved the battle. Loved the mix of wide pan shots and up close combat, the one-shot of Bron dodging through the battle to get to the Scorpion, even the appearance of the Dothraki far off on the hill. Just a glimpse at first, but the long line of them in the hill, knowing how many are behind them... Awesome.

To say nothing of the synchronized horse standing shot.  That was my girlfriend's favorite bit.

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The Bran storyline has always been the weakest element of this show, and I can't wait for it to be done somehow.

I feel that, like the Sands, Bran is a wasted character.  Maybe they could have been interesting and attention grabbing, but not enough effort was put into them.  It seems to me that the Sands were supposed to just get by on being beautiful and violent, and Bran is supposed to get by on being a cripple mystic.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2017, 11:20:07 PM
Watched it yesterday (tried watching the leaked version before that, but the quality was so bad that I decided to wait a little before they uploaded something better.

Thoughts:

It was so obvious that Littlefinger was going to try and plant some seed in Bran's head, maybe try and encourage him to become the Lord of Winterfell instead of Jon since Bran is Ned Stark's only remaining trueborn son. Good to see that Bran can see right through him.

Bran. What a boring character he's become. After the whole adventure over the Wall there was such potential for positive character development and see him actually grow as one, but instead we get the opposite --negative character development in which it seems that Bran has lost some of his humanity and become one-dimensional in the process. The way he said his 'goodbye' to Meera Reed after all they had been through together was off-putting. He may not be the same anymore as he himself tells Meera, but that still doesn't mean he has to become so...simple? in his motives. Hopefully this will be different in the books, once they are released, if they are ever released.  ::)

Dany and Jon. Dany still misses the bigger picture and fails to see the bigger threat or she's using Jon's desperation to fight the Army of the Dead as a means to get him to bend the knee. They should just get married already and both rule over a united kingdom, I think that's how the story will develop.   

Good battle scene, loved the intensity of it. Dany finally took her dragon to war, which makes sense because why wouldn't you take a dragon to war if you had one?  :shrug: Almost lost the beast though, but at least now she knows that they have weapons capable of seriously injuring or even killing her dragons. Maybe that will get her to change he tactics when attacking King's Landing.

Ayra and Brienne training scene. Arya is getting good.  ;D
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2017, 11:25:41 PM
Tyrion and Jamie have always been close. Don't forget that Jamie was the one who helped him escape from his father.  Tyrion wants to take down his sister because he knows more than anyone how evil she is, and that's why he's with Daenarys. Makes perfect sense that he wouldn't want Jamie to die. And let's remember that Jamie now knows for sure that Tyrion did not kill Joffrey after all. Jamie will turn on his sister somehow. May not mean he kills her directly, but there will be some betrayal.

Do you remember the prophecy that was told to Cersei when she was a child? They aired the scene in an episode but I don't recall which. The Witch in the scene tells Cersei that all her children will die and that her brother will be the end of her. Just doesn't say which brother. One reason why Cersei always hated Tyrion and tried to get him killed on more than one occasion is because she thinks that the prophecy refers to him, and we're sort of led to believe that he will do it, but maybe the show doesn't end like that at all. Maybe Jaime's the one to kill her in the end. It would be more interesting if he did, IMO. Maybe they leave the world as they came -- together. :notsure:
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Post by: Asmodean on August 09, 2017, 07:59:55 AM
If a Kingslayer kills a queen... Does that cancel out his title, or..?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on August 09, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
I'm beginning to wonder how they're going to tie off all loose ends before the end of the limited episodes which are left.  I mean we haven't even seen the white walkers yet this season.  I just fear they're going to rush a lot of it to reach an end, either that or there are going to be lots of unanswered questions.
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Post by: Asmodean on August 09, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
They already are. Have you seen the shoddiness of storytelling this season?  >:(
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Post by: Davin on August 09, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 09, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
I'm beginning to wonder how they're going to tie off all loose ends before the end of the limited episodes which are left.  I mean we haven't even seen the white walkers yet this season.  I just fear they're going to rush a lot of it to reach an end, either that or there are going to be lots of unanswered questions.

I read that they're already planning a spin-off, maybe they're hoping to cover it there.  One problem tho -- the actor playing Dany won't be part of it.
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Post by: Asmodean on August 10, 2017, 10:05:28 AM
The role would likely have to be recast for a prequel - but then, all the kids and young people who were born in them prequel times would have to be recast. A sequel would face similar issues. A sort-of story within the story... Yes, her not being there would be detrimental to that if indeed she was a player in that world. One could, for example, see the story with the eyes of House Stark and avoid her almost entirely for a vast number of episodes, other than by mention.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 12, 2017, 03:18:59 PM
I'm beginning to wonder how they're going to tie off all loose ends before the end of the limited episodes which are left.  I mean we haven't even seen the white walkers yet this season.  I just fear they're going to rush a lot of it to reach an end, either that or there are going to be lots of unanswered questions.

Spin-offs, books and videogames apparently, which kind of sucks because even though I totally go into full blown geek mode with all things GoT-related I don't have the time nor energy to play the videogames.  ::)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 14, 2017, 01:36:38 AM
Thinking over last week's episode, I have a couple of questions that I think need the input of someone experienced in, or at least knowledgeable about, fighting and combat:

1) the sparring between Brienne and Arya.  I can't get over the feeling that this was entirely unrealistic, no matter how agile, fast and ninja-like Arya is.  Since she wasn't fighting ninja style, should she really have been able to fight to a draw with someone not only more experienced in sword-fighting, but much stronger and with a longer reach?  Or are we to assume that Brienne was pulling all her punches?

2)  Bronn and the what-not.  I actually have a couple of questions here.  The less important one is his ability to hit a fast moving, distant target on the second try with absolutely no training at all, but I'm willing to put that down to luck and long practice at aiming things in general.  What really puzzles me about this scene is that he's in the midst of attacking Dothraki, completely vulnerable while he's fussing with the Scorpion thing, and not a single Dothraki takes a a few seconds to kill him.  It's like he suddenly acquired invisibility while he was shooting at their Khaleesi.

What am I missing here?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 14, 2017, 06:47:21 AM
Epi 7.5, Eastwatch.

Meh, can't say this episode did much for me tho there were a few things I liked:

The last few years have been good for Gendry's looks, and he has some interesting street fighting skills.

We were given a penny in mid-fall with the news that Jon isn't a Snow after all. 

There was a nice bit of comic action in Arya and Baelish spying on each other.

Finally the Hound is back -- I always enjoy him.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on August 14, 2017, 01:46:31 PM
1) the sparring between Brienne and Arya.  I can't get over the feeling that this was entirely unrealistic, no matter how agile, fast and ninja-like Arya is.  Since she wasn't fighting ninja style, should she really have been able to fight to a draw with someone not only more experienced in sword-fighting, but much stronger and with a longer reach?  Or are we to assume that Brienne was pulling all her punches?
Hound The Wise once said something about thick armor and a big fucking sword. There is a reason why vanguards in medieval times did not charge into a melee with daggers. Pretty much no-one did. Those were secondary weapons for crossbowmen and what have you.

I don't think the tall knight-lady gave it her best.

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2)  Bronn and the what-not.  I actually have a couple of questions here.  The less important one is his ability to hit a fast moving, distant target on the second try with absolutely no training at all, but I'm willing to put that down to luck and long practice at aiming things in general.
The beauty of a crossbow type weapon is that it requires very little training to be hugely effective. In fact, from the movements of that dragon, he should have been more on target with a weapon like that. Ok, fine, it was probably a prototype with unbalanced bolts and what have you, but still... Crossbows are very accurate, even in the hands of a lesser marksman.

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What really puzzles me about this scene is that he's in the midst of attacking Dothraki, completely vulnerable while he's fussing with the Scorpion thing, and not a single Dothraki takes a a few seconds to kill him.  It's like he suddenly acquired invisibility while he was shooting at their Khaleesi.
Well, them horsemen fought like an uncivilized mob. In fact, if not for the dragon, I'd say that the Lannister spear wall may have broken them. Still, their line was way too long. Spears and pikes can be devastatingly effective in defense when in a box or circular shiltron formation (Hedgehog) as they present the same threat from each side and thus can not be effectively flanked. The dragons are obviously a game breaker in such matters, which is why I want to see them dead or otherwise incapacitated. I probably won't, but I still want to.

In any case, one might assume that they went after targets which posed some threat to themselves rather than strategic targets.

By the way, in no way was mine an expert opinion. It was based mostly on common sense and what knowledge I have of medieval warfare. If someone wants to correct my facts and suppositions, please do.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on August 14, 2017, 04:47:43 PM
...So The Asmo just saw the latest episode and shall contribute with His usual Asmonalysis;

Them Zs be marching. Good... That's good.

I think executing Lord Dick and his father was a strategic error on the Dragon Queen's part. It shall bite her faction in the ass yet.

I liked Ser Merc's attitude towards the whole dragon business, all "Nuh-uh, motherfucker! YOU fight them" Sensible, Ser Merc.

So the Dwarf™ and the brother met... Well and good, if a little anticlimactic. There was a lot of mixed blood there, too easily sorted. I think the show creators are getting lazy around trivial minutia which forms the overall impression of depth for reasons of brevity. I disapprove.

Arya is being a disappointment of late, but we shall see if that story line manages to grow some meat on its bones later on. Doubtful, but here's to hoping.

I liked the shot of Lord Weasel knowing things. It does renew my hope that his plots may well be as intricate as I want them to be.

The Hound... Totally in jail. HA!

Lord Bastard Baratheon... Respect for the size of the war hammer, but also... Not buying it. Compare the head of a bec-de-corbin with that thing and you may see why. Also, fermented whatwherenow..?  :o

Also, disappointing, if not surprising, that Bran's story is being handled... The way it is. Speaking of not surprising, Queen Xerxes is obviously up to backstabbery.

Sam... Will be interesting, I think. I approve of him having just enough screen time to be important in this episode. As in, cut the filler type of situation.

Favourite characters: Ser Merc, King Wildling (loved the exchange about the two queens. So... Uncomplicated), Lord Weasel for that one expression, Queen Xerxes, King Snow.

Chopping block: Arya, Bran, Ser Jamie, Dragon Queen. Regretfully, The Dwarf™ is in a downward approval spiral in The Asmo's book. Something needs to be done, or he may well end up there too. Still, some have managed to get themselves off the list after having been on it.

Overall, I actually liked this episode way better than the last one. It moved some affairs forward, which I have long wanted to see moved.

Who did The Asmo neglect to mention? He neglected to mention someone of importance, yesno?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 14, 2017, 08:48:37 PM

Sam... Will be interesting, I think. I approve of him having just enough screen time to be important in this episode. As in, cut the filler type of situation.


Sam's future is going to get interesting on so many levels.  1) he's now the head of his house, and baby Sam (Craster's bastard) is next in line, 2) he doesn't know it yet but he has major game changing information about Jon and 3) dealing with his friendship with Jon and Jon's friendship with the Dragon Queen after Sam finds out what happened to his father and brother.

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Also, fermented whatwherenow..?  :o

Yeah.  I was thinking they'd have died of food poisoning anyway if Gendry hadn't mercy killed them.  Will men try anything if it's labeled an aphrodisiac?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on August 14, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
A 'Smo doth wonder; the king of them icy Zs... He has powers. He has to know that there be dragons. How plans he to defeat those..? Just by throwing Zs at the issue until it's an issue no more?

Also, King Snow being all cozy with the dragon... Is it because he's a Targa... Tagra... Agrarian?

*a fucking-google-it later*

Targaryen. Or is it because he be a fire Z? Or does the dragon just... Not dislike him? Or a combination/other factors?

Also, will Queen Xerxes die in childbirth, thus sort-of making Jamie her undoing..? Would that not be an interesting twist to that prophecy? Ooh, and Ser Mountain... He still be having sex with that woman, you reckon? How do Zs..? Nevermind...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 14, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
A 'Smo doth wonder; the king of them icy Zs... He has powers. He has to know that there be dragons. How plans he to defeat those..? Just by throwing Zs at the issue until it's an issue no more?

I've heard a spoiler that one of the dragons will be killed and turned into an ice dragon that the Night King will ride into battle.

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Also, King Snow being all cozy with the dragon... Is it because he's a Targa... Tagra... Agrarian?

*a fucking-google-it later*

Targaryen. Or is it because he be a fire Z? Or does the dragon just... Not dislike him? Or a combination/other factors?

Because he's Targaryen -- and legitimate (as it turns out) and precedes our Dany's claim to the Iron Throne. 

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Also, will Queen Xerxes die in childbirth, thus sort-of making Jamie her undoing..? Would that not be an interesting twist to that prophecy?

Not as satisfying as a murder/suicide by sword.

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Ooh, and Ser Mountain... He still be having sex with that woman, you reckon?

If by "that woman" you mean Brienne, I will kill the Mountain myself, even if I have to steal a flamethrower.


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How do Zs..? Nevermind...

Magic.  They were created by magic and reproduce by magic.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on August 15, 2017, 05:48:52 AM
You know, the woman... The one Xerxes gave him to be the god of..? But without blood pressure and what have you..? Well... He might need some of them fermented sea creatures Ser Smuggler's pushing. Like... The dude sails around with buckets of rotting squid...  :twitch:

Also, yes please! A dragon for the Zees :D The Asmo approves deeply.

Now... The Asmo's Alternate Storyline:

So there's the King Z, right, going all Nazgûl on their asses 'n shit, then suddenly, the tall knight-lady jumps out all like "Bitch, prepare to DIE, ser!" and the Z's all like "Motherfucker PLEASE! Aint no dude who can kill ME!" and she's all like "Fool, FUCK you! There aint nothing poking out between them legs! Uh... Ser." And then she be like *CHOP* and he be like "NNOOOOO!!" And... and... Then they all kill each other in the war over the sword chair.

 :popcorn:

The Asmo, He ought to do Hollywood, Himthink.  :smilenod:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 15, 2017, 10:22:50 PM
You know, the woman... The one Xerxes gave him to be the god of..? But without blood pressure and what have you..? Well... He might need some of them fermented sea creatures Ser Smuggler's pushing. Like... The dude sails around with buckets of rotting squid...  :twitch:

Oh, her . . . the "shame, shame" woman.  She must be long dead by now.  I do wonder, tho, if the Mountain has moved on to raping Ellaria?

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Now... The Asmo's Alternate Storyline:

So there's the King Z, right, going all Nazgûl on their asses 'n shit, then suddenly, the tall knight-lady jumps out all like "Bitch, prepare to DIE, ser!" and the Z's all like "Motherfucker PLEASE! Aint no dude who can kill ME!" and she's all like "Fool, FUCK you! There aint nothing poking out between them legs! Uh... Ser." And then she be like *CHOP* and he be like "NNOOOOO!!" And... and... Then they all kill each other in the war over the sword chair.

 :popcorn:

The Asmo, He ought to do Hollywood, Himthink.  :smilenod:

I agree, I like it.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 18, 2017, 01:13:58 AM
So I just watched the leaked episode, "Death is the Enemy", and I must say, things have certainly gotten interesting.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 18, 2017, 03:57:49 AM
So I just watched the leaked episode, "Death is the Enemy", and I must say, things have certainly gotten interesting.

Are we finally getting full zombie combat?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 18, 2017, 09:38:16 AM
So I just watched the leaked episode, "Death is the Enemy", and I must say, things have certainly gotten interesting.

Are we finally getting full zombie combat?

Let's just say it was a tense episode. And the Night King has acquired a nice, new addition to his army of the dead.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Claireliontamer on August 18, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
I saw the HBO Spain leaked episode.  I have some issues with it!  I won't spoil it until others have seen it though.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Arturo on August 18, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
You ever think leaks are part of the marketing campaign?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 18, 2017, 09:36:47 PM
You ever think leaks are part of the marketing campaign?

I think almost definitely.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 21, 2017, 02:38:46 PM
Has everyone watched the latest episode yet?  :sidesmile:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 21, 2017, 03:37:48 PM
Yup. It was too predictable for me. Creating an impossible situation doesn't leave me going "omg, what are they going to do?!" When the obvious conclusion is dragons are going to show up.

Tormund and The Hound win the episode.

I just realized where they're going with this Jon and Dany thing tho... Tyrion starts ranting about heirs apparently with little context. Dany cannot produce an heir. Jon is a Targarian. They're obviously falling in love, as has been a given for several seasons and for all the rush they're putting on other story lines this one is going painfully slow.

So Jon can produce a legitimate Targarian heir. Dany cannot. They're going to play the stupid fucking "love that can not be" game.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 21, 2017, 03:44:08 PM
Has everyone watched the latest episode yet?  :sidesmile:

Twice, and I'm still not sure I entirely understand what went on.  Did only "red shirts" among the Bannerless Men die?  I know I saw several people overcome by zombies, but the only familiar person who died was Top Knot.  And did they lose the zombie they captured, or was it flown out too?

And about those dragons -- just how fast do they fly?  Do they have wormhole technology?

Frankly, I'm not at all comfortable with Brienne going to King's Landing -- it has a death knell feel about it to me.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 21, 2017, 03:55:47 PM
Forget how fast dragons fly, the fuck are the ravens doing?! It takes many days to travel from Winterfell to the coast by foot and a raven did it hours?

I don't actually understand who lived and died up north either, but they did bring the zombie back. The impaled it on one of the dragon's larger spines before taking off.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 21, 2017, 04:13:29 PM
So Jon can produce a legitimate Targarian heir. Dany cannot. They're going to play the stupid fucking "love that can not be" game.

I think Dany's going to die before the season is over and Jon will inherit her remaining dragons and the kingdom they will conquer together. If this turns out to be true, then they won't have to deal with all that succession conflict. Maybe a different (but still cliché "love that can not be" game).

And about those dragons -- just how fast do they fly?  Do they have wormhole technology?

Wyvernhole technology, of course.  :sidesmile:

Frankly, I'm not at all comfortable with Brienne going to King's Landing -- it has a death knell feel about it to me.

Yes it does, especially since Littlefinger was the one to suggest it.



Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 21, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
Forget how fast dragons fly, the fuck are the ravens doing?! It takes many days to travel from Winterfell to the coast by foot and a raven did it hours?

I forgot all about those ravens!  And now that I think of it, what about Gendry?  Just how fast can he run, and for how long without stopping to catch his breath?

So Jon can produce a legitimate Targarian heir. Dany cannot. They're going to play the stupid fucking "love that can not be" game.

I think Dany's going to die before the season is over and Jon will inherit her remaining dragons and the kingdom they will conquer together. If this turns out to be true, then they won't have to deal with all that succession conflict. Maybe a different (but still cliché "love that can not be" game).

I would hope not!  Cersei and Jaime are stomach churning enough for me.

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And about those dragons -- just how fast do they fly?  Do they have wormhole technology?

Wyvernhole technology, of course.  :sidesmile:

I see what you did there.   :lol:

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Frankly, I'm not at all comfortable with Brienne going to King's Landing -- it has a death knell feel about it to me.

Yes it does, especially since Littlefinger was the one to suggest it.

This makes me sad.  I was so hoping Brienne and Tormund would get one night of passion together before one or both of them gets killed off.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 23, 2017, 05:51:50 AM
I love Tormund's crush, but I actually don't want them to hook up. It goes against everything Breinne stands for. Especially his baby fantasy. She's not going to break her oath as a knight to pop off and have some children.

Can we get to the raging inconsistencies in this episode? Are we still waiting for anyone? Like, where the fuck did those chains come from? How did the undead get in the water after it is clearly established they can't get in the water? And other, more spoilery things.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on August 23, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
Frankly, I'm not at all comfortable with Brienne going to King's Landing -- it has a death knell feel about it to me.

Yes it does, especially since Littlefinger was the one to suggest it.

I'm still trying to figure out what his long game is.  It seems like he's trying to make Sansa wholly reliant on him. Trying to marry her? For power? If so, does that bode ill for Jon and Dany, perhaps?
The timelines are indeed all fucked up, one of the directors essentially admitted it during an interview. This is clearly a byproduct of the shortened season, which begs the question of why they're doing that. Probably a pure business decision from HBO. The show may be wildly successful, but it's still very expensive.
As for how they got the chains down there, we'll probably never know.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Papasito Bruno on August 23, 2017, 06:14:59 PM
I think this is the most popular thread on the forum, and since I don't watch the show I can't participate in it, so I feel left out and all alone :waah: :cryandrun:


Guess I'll just go back to the old grumpy thread, talk about boners and such.:weepy:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 24, 2017, 12:40:35 AM
Can we get to the raging inconsistencies in this episode? Are we still waiting for anyone? Like, where the fuck did those chains come from? How did the undead get in the water after it is clearly established they can't get in the water? And other, more spoilery things.

Go ahead, everyone knows this thread is full of spoilers (especially since it's in the title bwaha), and it's been a while since the episode was both leaked and aired so I think it's safe to assume that everyone who wanted to watch it already has.  :devil:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 24, 2017, 12:44:22 AM
I think this is the most popular thread on the forum, and since I don't watch the show I can't participate in it, so I feel left out and all alone :waah: :cryandrun:


Guess I'll just go back to the old grumpy thread, talk about boners and such.:weepy:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/26uf0s23nLld0ZL0c/giphy.gif)

Someone who doesn't watch GoT! What an exotic creature. :grin:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 28, 2017, 03:28:04 AM
BF and I can't stop laughing.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean Prime on August 28, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
So The Asmo is sort of deployed somewhere obscure to... Well, make the work of a lesser minion allright, thus, He's grumpy and he had to carve out some time to do some important maintenance work at HAF, so while He waits, He will do what He does in this thread.

Disclaimer: May contain some language certain people deem unsafe for kids. In all the usual places.

Season finale. The Asmo approves, if only because most of what He hath called came to fruition.

In no chronological order,

What was The hound referring to? with the big Z? Whoscomingforwhomwherenow?!

Ooh! Ooh! Asmolternative story time! All family friendly 'n shit!  ;D Ok. Ok. So there is Ser MountainZ going all mediaeval-roid-junkie on the poor Hound's ass in a smithy, right? Suddenly, that Gendry kid jumps out and goes like "Motherfucker, FREEZE your big zombie-ass right there!" and the Z goes like "Fool, be real! do you think it wise, crossing blades with a Z?"  and then they be like *WHACK* and *SLASH* and *WOOSH!* around a barrel of swords, so the Z be like "...Fuck me! Who-the-flaming-cuntpickle makes all these?!" and Gendry be like "I do! and I practice with them three hours a day!" and the Z be like "Motherfucker, WHY?!" and he be like "So that when I meet a Z, I *SWOOSH* can KILL it!" and the Z's like "Bitch, you needta' get yourself some pussy, man... Pshh! Saaad." And Gendry's like... Like "Fuck you, you zombified Salami-monster! I has me rugged good looks and a three-inch cock (The Asmo MAY have seen a season of Skins some years back, and He seems to remember what little he saw of it was about Gendry's cock being all tiny) and I can gets me all the pussy I want, MOTHERFUCKER!" and then the Hound, right? He comes to his senses, gets up all sneaky 'n shit and WHACKS the big Z over the head with a wine skin. And then... then... then they all like... Kill each other over the sword chair.

...Yes?  :popcorn:

...Rght. so which dragon got zeeified anyways? (The Asmo has been on deployment, but... A DRAGON for the ZEES! Wee and whatnot. Don't tell me! The one named after the nasty brother, right? Figures. (DO correct me if it was some other dragon - they all look alike to me. Asmos are raging racists like that. Still, I don't see how it could be something more predictable than that one. and did the same actor play Jon Snow daddy? and where did he get his dark eyes and hair and jaw line and what have you from? Fuck them for fucking with genetics and fuck them SIDEWAYS for ruining what could have been great with really sketchy time table.)

So yeah. Xerxes still plots and schemes and Jamie is totally in exile and shit and Xerxes may try to make the Dwarf™ look like a traitor to the Dragon Queen and by the way they so totally had disappointing sex, just like The Asmo thought they might. You know... not the Dwarf™, the other two. The Snow and the Queen.

Speaking of disappointments, I also seem to remember calling Lord Weasel coming to a disappointing end. He SO did, and although I did predict him getting his head cut off... Close enough.

Ser Merc of Fucking Backwater. Him, The Asmo still likes.

Ooh! also, did not Ramsay just chop poor Reek's cock off? Because if he still has them balls, those be the ones what hurt most from getting kicked in. Still, that one is doing better than predicted now. May his death be suitably heroic - no more, no less.

What else happened? Zs be marching... Xerxes... Jamie... Queen One and Two... The Hound and Ser MountainZ... Ah! Yes. Bran and Sam. I don't get why Jon's heritage is being subtly played up in this fashion. He's just as likely to go "Meh. I'm still Ned's kid. 'Sides, I's tapping that fine ass there now, so like... Hush you two!" and Sam be like "Eh." *shrug* and Bran be like "Mnh..." (Sound beyond "Meh") I just hope they don't ruin some well-developed characters, few of such as remain, by making this a disproportionately big deal.

Also, Sansa and Arya dynamic... Nah. Lord Weasel was not that stupid. He would not have walked into that. Not without several episodes worth of backstory. Still, I have come to expect less from the show's creators over this past season, and in that regard, they seem only too happy to oblige. Also, while Sansa has become somewhat interesting, Arya has turned into an insufferable bitch. Off with her head, says The Asmo, but no-one listens...  :sadshake:

Also, I must say that I can't get enough of King Z. He's so... Purpose-driven. Ever noticed that there seems to be no malice or hatred or lust for power in what he does? He's basically... Like a robot, acting according to his programming. I DO hope they don't ruin him in some way!  :(

Well, now that the season is over, The Asmo might puiblish an alternative storyline involving a House Gray, situated in The Great clay pits between the North and the South, led by His LORD Ser The Asmo Gray and His bastard son by a brothel saucer, Asmoclean Clay, may mould befall his rusty turret, that near-do-evil! :rant1: (For the newish sort of member... run a search. Might turn up something. basically, it was Tank) the plot is supposed to explain who He would side with and why, rather than provide any story alteration, so He made His plot glide into the existing world. Also, Ser LORD The Asmo has him a Fire Kiln dragon. It's like a regular dragon, right, only The Asmo's. What, for making His clay golems armoured, you know. Ooh! Ooh! did He tell you He has the power to raise the fallen as Clay Golems? Because He's like... totally secretly a rabbi. Has a funny hat and everything. Fake locks of hair too. So there you have it. Golems. Basically, Clay Zs. Kind of like Ser MountainZ, only way eviller.


Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 29, 2017, 06:25:25 AM
Just watched the last episode. :popcorn:

Seriously? Jon's real name is Aegon? :suspicious: Like 'Young Griff' of the Golden Company (the band of mercenaries that Cersei was talking of hiring)?

In the books, the leader of the Golden Company tries to matchmake Dany and Young Griff, who supposedly is Aegon Targaryen, son of Rhaegar and his first wife Elia. Things are getting a little confusing with these divergences from the books.  :sad sigh:

So, Sansa finally learned something after 7 seasons and got rid of Littlefinger. It's a pity though, I would have liked to see some more of his schemes unravel.

Arya is creepy.

Cersei is just as nutcasey as ever.

Good for Theon! See, I knew he was going to somehow try and rescue his sister! :grin:

So the power couple fell in love. How cute. How predictable. How much do you guys want to bet that Dany is going to be pregnant with Jon's *clears throat* Aegon's child in the following season? All that inbreeding can't be good. They would share roughly 25% of their DNA being aunt and nephew, which is the same amount half-siblings share. Not as bad as the 50% non-identical full siblings share (as is customary in the Targaryen bloodline) but still high nonetheless. Considering the Mad King Aerys is ancestor to them both...

Seven seasons gone and still Jon Aegon knows nothing about his parentage. How frustrating.  ::) How will Dany react to it, I wonder?

Ok, so the Army of the Dead just went from being a big problem to holy-fuck-what-in-Westeros-are-we-going-to-do?! All the more reason why they are going to go for the Night King in hopes that everything he turned will die. :notsure: Double die. De-zombify. Decease and desist. Just like when the zombie hunting party killed the white walker in the last episode they all bit the snow for good.

How did Grey Worm and the Unsullied get away from Casterly Rock?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on August 29, 2017, 10:22:22 PM
How did Grey Worm and the Unsullied get away from Casterly Rock?

This is what's really bugging me. What was that scene all about? Were they about to fight? Were they just coming to tell Jamie to proceed to King's Landing? Did Jamie forget to pay his parking permit? It felt like someone screwed up when editing the episode.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 29, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
How did Grey Worm and the Unsullied get away from Casterly Rock?

This is what's really bugging me. What was that scene all about? Were they about to fight? Were they just coming to tell Jamie to proceed to King's Landing? Did Jamie forget to pay his parking permit? It felt like someone screwed up when editing the episode.

Your guess is as good as mine! :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 30, 2017, 02:39:17 AM
How did Grey Worm and the Unsullied get away from Casterly Rock?

This is what's really bugging me. What was that scene all about? Were they about to fight? Were they just coming to tell Jamie to proceed to King's Landing? Did Jamie forget to pay his parking permit? It felt like someone screwed up when editing the episode.

Your guess is as good as mine! :lol:

I think that scene was just to show off the Dothraki's precision stampeding.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 30, 2017, 04:23:37 AM
I think this is the most popular thread on the forum, and since I don't watch the show I can't participate in it, so I feel left out and all alone :waah: :cryandrun:


Guess I'll just go back to the old grumpy thread, talk about boners and such.:weepy:

I don't see why you can't join in here -- I watched Talking Dead for nearly a year before I started to watching Walking Dead.  Not watching the show didn't interfere with my enjoyment at all.

Which is not to say we won't enjoy a good boner talk here, either.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 30, 2017, 04:41:35 AM
What was The hound referring to? with the big Z? Whoscomingforwhomwherenow?!

The Hound is still coming for the ex-Mountain to settle the face-burning score.  According to spoilers, this will take place at the (former) Wall.

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...Rght. so which dragon got zeeified anyways? (The Asmo has been on deployment, but... A DRAGON for the ZEES! Wee and whatnot. Don't tell me! The one named after the nasty brother, right? Figures.

Yep, that was Viserion who got wighted (or whatever).  I can't tell them apart, either, altho they're supposed to be different colors -- black, green, and cream, if I remember correctly.

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and did the same actor play Jon Snow daddy? and where did he get his dark eyes and hair and jaw line and what have you from? Fuck them for fucking with genetics and fuck them SIDEWAYS for ruining what could have been great with really sketchy time table.)

Yes, it did look like the same actor (Harry Lloyd, for what it's worth) but I don't know if it was.  I've been wondering about the coloring as well, what with Targaryens being silver haired and lavender eyed, and Starks apparently having brown hair and blue eyes (I'm guessing the red-haired Sansa takes after the Tully side).  But they also gave Robb Stark black hair, and I noticed that Arya's brown hair has turned black.  I don't know what the heck is going on.  Mendel would not be happy.

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Ooh! also, did not Ramsay just chop poor Reek's cock off? Because if he still has them balls, those be the ones what hurt most from getting kicked in. Still, that one is doing better than predicted now.

Cut it off and, if I'm remembering right, ate it.  Or maybe that's just something I'm thinking Ramsey would have done.  From the looks of things, I guess he took the balls off as well.  Have to admit, I did like that twisted smile on Theon's face when the groin-kneeing didn't produce the desired result.

My favorite moment in the episode was Brienne's "fuck loyalty".  In my opinion Jaime did not play his response sufficiently shocked -- that was a big change of direction for her.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 30, 2017, 07:58:55 AM
Interesting article on season 7:  GoT has become a terrible show (http://theweek.com/articles/719732/game-thrones-become-terrible-show)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Pasta Chick on August 30, 2017, 12:53:18 PM
Dark features would override pale genetically speaking. The only way to achieve the Targarian silver hair would be pretty hardcore inbreeding. Lilliana Stark was known to have black hair. The reality would likely have been more mixed - one side of my family is blonde and the other is dark brown, so there I sit with hair technically blonde by professional standards but to laymen it's just brown.

What gets me about the whole thing is the emphasis put on Baratheons all having curly black hair in season one. I've been sure Jon was one of Roberts bastards, likely with Lillian, who died before the marriage could be officiated. That's why he cared about him enough to hide him with his best friend Ned, as opposed to dropping him in Flea Bottom with the rest. It makes way more fucking sense than Jon being Targarian and makes for more storyline continuing the Baratheon usurpation of Targarians.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Firebird on August 30, 2017, 03:32:00 PM
Cut it off and, if I'm remembering right, ate it.  Or maybe that's just something I'm thinking Ramsey would have done. 

He didn't eat it. There was a scene immediately after cutting it off where Ramsey was eating a sausage, Theon looked at it thinking it was his dick, and Ramey said "Oh come on, I'm not that kind of monster!" or something like that, so that's probably what you're thinking of.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 30, 2017, 10:57:04 PM
Interesting article on season 7:  GoT has become a terrible show (http://theweek.com/articles/719732/game-thrones-become-terrible-show)

I think there is some truth to that. :chin:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 30, 2017, 11:05:56 PM
Dark features would override pale genetically speaking. The only way to achieve the Targarian silver hair would be pretty hardcore inbreeding. Lilliana Stark was known to have black hair. The reality would likely have been more mixed - one side of my family is blonde and the other is dark brown, so there I sit with hair technically blonde by professional standards but to laymen it's just brown.

Funnily enough both my parents have dark hair and mine is light brown. I don't know how that works but it seems like it's quantitative inheritance, much like skin colour.

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What gets me about the whole thing is the emphasis put on Baratheons all having curly black hair in season one. I've been sure Jon was one of Roberts bastards, likely with Lillian, who died before the marriage could be officiated. That's why he cared about him enough to hide him with his best friend Ned, as opposed to dropping him in Flea Bottom with the rest. It makes way more fucking sense than Jon being Targarian and makes for more storyline continuing the Baratheon usurpation of Targarians.

I was also so sure that Jon was Robert's bastard! I thought Ned adopted Jon to protect him from the Lannisters, as if he somehow foresaw that they were  going to seek and kill Robert's bastards after Joffrey was crowned.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 30, 2017, 11:07:36 PM
Cut it off and, if I'm remembering right, ate it.  Or maybe that's just something I'm thinking Ramsey would have done. 

He didn't eat it. There was a scene immediately after cutting it off where Ramsey was eating a sausage, Theon looked at it thinking it was his dick, and Ramey said "Oh come on, I'm not that kind of monster!" or something like that, so that's probably what you're thinking of.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  I also think he was that kind of monster.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 30, 2017, 11:38:54 PM
Cut it off and, if I'm remembering right, ate it.  Or maybe that's just something I'm thinking Ramsey would have done. 

He didn't eat it. There was a scene immediately after cutting it off where Ramsey was eating a sausage, Theon looked at it thinking it was his dick, and Ramey said "Oh come on, I'm not that kind of monster!" or something like that, so that's probably what you're thinking of.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  I also think he was that kind of monster.

Sort of like Hannibal Lector meets GoT generic pyschopath?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 31, 2017, 03:12:31 AM

Sort of like Hannibal Lector meets GoT generic pyschopath?

Like I would put nothing -- nothing at all -- past Ramsey Bolton.

A few quick questions:

Is anyone still holding out hope against hope that Tormund survived?

Does it strike anyone else as icky that as soon as the show got rid of one incestuous couple it immediately created another incestuous couple?  Just whose kink is this?

Is it possible Sam still does not know that Dany killed his father and brother in a truly horrifying way?
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 31, 2017, 07:28:18 PM
Is anyone still holding out hope against hope that Tormund survived?

I think since we didn't actually see him die it's quite possible that he didn't. 

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Does it strike anyone else as icky that as soon as the show got rid of one incestuous couple it immediately created another incestuous couple?  Just whose kink is this?

:lol: In Dany and Jon's Aegon's defense, they don't know that they're aunt and nephew.

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Is it possible Sam still does not know that Dany killed his father and brother in a truly horrifying way?

I don't think he knows, it's not like he has any reason to keep in touch with his family after he stole the family heirloom and left. Maybe Bran, who makes things a little boring by knowing everything, will tell him. I think he'll find out some way another soon.   
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Post by: Sandra Craft on August 31, 2017, 11:47:27 PM

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Is it possible Sam still does not know that Dany killed his father and brother in a truly horrifying way?

I don't think he knows, it's not like he has any reason to keep in touch with his family after he stole the family heirloom and left. Maybe Bran, who makes things a little boring by knowing everything, will tell him. I think he'll find out some way another soon.   

It just seems odd to me that Sam wouldn't have heard people talking about it during his trip from the Citadel to Winterfell.  People must be talking about that battle -- the first one in centuries with an actual dragon -- and the Tarley executions.

Btw, in my opinion Cersei still qualifies as the stupidest Lannister (tho Jaime may run a close second).  So she's going to "just" fight whoever's left after the battle between the dead and the North huh?  Apparently she hasn't thought this thru to realize that, if the victors are the dead -- and from the looks of things they probably will be -- what Cersei is going to end up fighting isn't just the dead from North of the former Wall, but all the dead from Winterfell, plus the Unsullied, the Dothraki and maybe a few Ironborn if Theon manages to save Yara.  I don't even want to think about what a Dothraki wight will be like.

If Cersei had any sense at all, she'd go ahead and send her all her forces North to fight.  If the living win, she can hire the Golden Company then to fight Dany for the Iron Throne, and if the dead win, she might as well commit suicide because all she's going to end up queen of is her own grave.  And that's if she's lucky.  Just as likely she'll be nothing but one more nameless wight in the Night King's army.

Now, if it was me, I'd immigrate to Essos post haste.  Given all the people Dany killed in her sweep thru the Slaver Cities, there are plenty of places in Essos where the population needs shoring up.  Maybe even the entirety of Kings Landing could immigrate without causing Essos any heartburn.

While I'm at it, what is it with wights and water?  Is drowning a third way a wight can die, or are they just unable to move underwater?  Do they sink to the bottom and stick there, grumbling to themselves and unable to either swim or walk out, unless someone cares enough to fetch them and it's obvious no one does?  You can always get more dead after all.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 01, 2017, 01:19:50 AM
It just seems odd to me that Sam wouldn't have heard people talking about it during his trip from the Citadel to Winterfell.  People must be talking about that battle -- the first one in centuries with an actual dragon -- and the Tarley executions.

You have a point there.

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Btw, in my opinion Cersei still qualifies as the stupidest Lannister (tho Jaime may run a close second).  So she's going to "just" fight whoever's left after the battle between the dead and the North huh?  Apparently she hasn't thought this thru to realize that, if the victors are the dead -- and from the looks of things they probably will be -- what Cersei is going to end up fighting isn't just the dead from North of the former Wall, but all the dead from Winterfell, plus the Unsullied, the Dothraki and maybe a few Ironborn if Theon manages to save Yara.  I don't even want to think about what a Dothraki wight will be like.

If Cersei had any sense at all, she'd go ahead and send her all her forces North to fight.  If the living win, she can hire the Golden Company then to fight Dany for the Iron Throne, and if the dead win, she might as well commit suicide because all she's going to end up queen of is her own grave.  And that's if she's lucky.  Just as likely she'll be nothing but one more nameless wight in the Night King's army.

Yeah, but she's shown on more than one occasion that she lacks the brains to think things through. Either that or she's so blinded by her hate and jealousy that she won't think things through.

Perhaps that whole plot point was to force Jaime to leave her. I think it's he who is going to kill Cersei after all, and not Tyrion. Now that he's defecting to the other side in order to fight the dead while Mad Cersei has her head in the sand maybe it's all to advance that plotline.

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Now, if it was me, I'd immigrate to Essos post haste.  Given all the people Dany killed in her sweep thru the Slaver Cities, there are plenty of places in Essos where the population needs shoring up.  Maybe even the entirety of Kings Landing could immigrate without causing Essos any heartburn.

I think I would too, though I don't think I would like the climate. :P

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While I'm at it, what is it with wights and water?  Is drowning a third way a wight can die, or are they just unable to move underwater?  Do they sink to the bottom and stick there, grumbling to themselves and unable to either swim or walk out, unless someone cares enough to fetch them and it's obvious no one does?  You can always get more dead after all.

:notsure: Maybe they can't swim or lack the buoyancy to float?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 01, 2017, 02:53:37 AM

Thought this was cool so I decided to share it.  ;D What Game of Thrones would be like if set in the modern world.
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Post by: Sandra Craft on September 02, 2017, 07:10:00 AM
Thought this was cool so I decided to share it.  ;D What Game of Thrones would be like if set in the modern world.

I'd watch that.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 03, 2017, 02:56:51 AM
Thought this was cool so I decided to share it.  ;D What Game of Thrones would be like if set in the modern world.

I'd watch that.

 ;D

They should probably call it "Castle of Cards". 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on September 04, 2017, 06:57:20 AM
The Brotherhood without Banjos
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 07, 2017, 02:39:05 AM
^ :lol: The Hound's expression at the beginning!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 22, 2017, 04:46:11 PM
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Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 26, 2017, 02:02:12 AM
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:lol:
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 24, 2018, 06:01:36 PM

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on January 24, 2018, 11:13:36 PM
Still no date?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
Still no date?

People are hoping the first episodes will by the end of 2018, but most likely season 8 will premiere only next year. :sad sigh:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on January 26, 2018, 07:48:26 AM
Still no date?

People are hoping the first episodes will by the end of 2018, but most likely season 8 will premiere only next year. :sad sigh:

*groan*  Why do I even have a TV?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 26, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
Still no date?

People are hoping the first episodes will by the end of 2018, but most likely season 8 will premiere only next year. :sad sigh:

*groan*  Why do I even have a TV?

:grin:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 27, 2018, 02:39:24 PM
I don't remember if I already posted this here, but if not, here goes!

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 30, 2018, 08:41:33 PM
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Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Tank on January 31, 2018, 06:53:22 AM
That's cheating! That's the 4th Feb 2020!!!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on January 31, 2018, 10:19:22 PM
That's cheating! That's the 4th Feb 2020!!!

However you look at it, too freaking long off.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 07, 2018, 05:03:07 PM
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2019 :sad sigh:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 25, 2018, 01:59:34 PM
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 :weepy:

(I approve of Cersei's death)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 25, 2018, 02:03:39 PM
:lol: Did you know?

http://www.businessinsider.com/kit-harington-related-john-harington-flushing-toilet-2017-1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/kit-harington-related-john-harington-flushing-toilet-2017-1)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 25, 2018, 07:35:22 PM
(https://scontent.fpoa13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29496851_1614147051974404_1496033866220044288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c7d12e9e830341d7956abdbd1a10f3cc&oe=5B2F69BF)

 :weepy:

(I approve of Cersei's death)

Well, GRRM has said that the books will end (whenever he get around to writing them) on a field of bones with everyone dead, so maybe the TV guys are trying to anticipate the books.

But yes, Cersei needs to be very dead.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 25, 2018, 09:45:38 PM
I wonder if that means the Night Walkers will end up winning. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 25, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
I wonder if that means the Night Walkers will end up winning.

That's my guess.
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 25, 2018, 11:12:20 PM
I wonder if that means the Night Walkers will end up winning.

That's my guess.

Well, if that's the way it turns out then that's the way it turns out. Though...I just hope Tyrion doesn't die. IMO he's one of those characters who grow on you.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 01, 2018, 11:22:23 PM
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I hope this is true. :tellmemore:
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 06, 2018, 02:07:28 PM
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Post by: Asmodean on April 06, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
I hope this is true. :tellmemore:
I hope that doesn't mean "everyone" lived and the Zs were defeated...  :(

...But I suspect it does... It so bloody does...  :( Poor, poor Zs...  :(

The Asmo needs a cookie now.  :(
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 06, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
The Asmo needs a cookie now.  :(

:therethere:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 18, 2018, 02:05:17 AM
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Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 19, 2018, 03:01:32 AM
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 :woohoo!:
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 22, 2018, 02:06:13 AM
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:rofl:
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Post by: Bluenose on September 22, 2018, 02:08:11 AM
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:rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 10, 2018, 05:49:31 PM
Apparently some footage containing spoilers for the final Season has been leaked online. I won't go near that stuff though!  :la la la la:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 01, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
The Prequel Series is coming!  :woohoo!:

Naomi Watts confirmed to play a lead role in the Game Of Thrones ‘Long Night’ prequel (http://wikiofthrones.com/18015/naomi-watts-confirmed-lead-role-game-of-thrones-long-night-prequel/?fbclid=IwAR0j_nzzYSN6LRBIbHVVxUvtzU6lMxjYG17Xjo5l8FDm_hDFTfrllrlkN1Y)
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Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
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Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 14, 2018, 01:02:58 AM
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on December 14, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 14, 2018, 11:20:03 PM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.

There's a fire zombie now?  Is it Kat?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on December 15, 2018, 07:09:06 AM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.

There's a fire zombie now?  Is it Kat?
The feller what’s banging the Dragon Queen. Him be a Z, remember? :-P
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 15, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.

There's a fire zombie now?  Is it Kat?
The feller what’s banging the Dragon Queen. Him be a Z, remember? :-P

He just doesn't act like a zombie.  Jon is more like that fire-sword guy who got brought back a lot, I think they're something different from zombies.
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Post by: Asmodean on December 15, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
Well, yeah, but the ÜberWalkerZ is not a classic silver screen Z either...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 16, 2018, 01:43:51 PM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.

I think there will, but I'm hoping that Jon versus the Night King won't be the climax of the final battle. It would be too predictable if it were.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 16, 2018, 02:02:32 PM
So... Who thinks that somehow, in the end there will be a sword-off between the fire Z and the ice Z?

Trouble is, I kind of like them both... And the ice Z will die.  :-\ Very sad.

There's a fire zombie now?  Is it Kat?
The feller what’s banging the Dragon Queen. Him be a Z, remember? :-P

He just doesn't act like a zombie.  Jon is more like that fire-sword guy who got brought back a lot, I think they're something different from zombies.

I don't remember if it was said in one of the episodes or in the book but Beric Dondarrion mentioned that each time he was brought back he lost a part of himself. Maybe on the zombie spectrum with 1 being Jon Snow and 10 being the classic brainless zombie being a 10, Dondarrion would be a 3 or 4.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 16, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
I like that there's a zombie spectrum.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Asmodean on December 17, 2018, 06:57:39 AM
Hey, it's 2018. Hashtag Zlivesmatter hashtag Zsarepeopletoo!  8)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 14, 2019, 08:58:28 PM
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 06, 2019, 07:04:26 PM

 :jumps:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 21, 2019, 08:10:53 PM
April 14th is just around the corner!  :woohoo!:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 14, 2019, 01:17:56 PM
It's today! :jumps:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 16, 2019, 12:32:00 AM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Magdalena on April 16, 2019, 01:09:06 AM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: hermes2015 on April 16, 2019, 04:47:55 AM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So our club has two members.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Magdalena on April 16, 2019, 06:26:53 AM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So our club has two members.
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Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 16, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So our club has two members.
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:lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 16, 2019, 05:47:37 PM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So you haven't read The Song of Ice and Fire by our Lord and Saviour George RR Martin?  :dominidomini:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Magdalena on April 16, 2019, 06:07:09 PM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So you haven't read The Song of Ice and Fire by our Lord and Saviour George RR Martin?  :dominidomini:
No.  :(
Maybe I should. :notsure:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 16, 2019, 06:28:47 PM
So, who else watched the first episode, 'Winterfell'? :popcorn:
Nope. I think I'm still the only human being who has never watched Game of Thrones.
 :run!:

So you haven't read The Song of Ice and Fire by our Lord and Saviour George RR Martin?  :dominidomini:
No.  :(
Maybe I should. :notsure:

:grin: If you do, just don't hold onto any expectations for the characters, especially in the beginning. ::) 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 17, 2019, 05:44:54 AM
My favorite bit of dialog from Sunday night:

"Watch out, it has blue eyes."
"I've always had blue eyes."

Not too much to this episode but catch up, still was very glad to see Gendry again.  Not sure about Jaime's reaction to seeing Bran --  did he really not know Bran was still alive?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 19, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
My favorite bit of dialog from Sunday night:

"Watch out, it has blue eyes."
"I've always had blue eyes."

Not too much to this episode but catch up, still was very glad to see Gendry again.  Not sure about Jaime's reaction to seeing Bran --  did he really not know Bran was still alive?

I thought this episode was a little slow, and even the part I was waiting for since last Season -- the part where Jon learns of his parentage -- was a little...meh. ::)

As for Jaime, maybe he knew but didn't think it'll be such a big deal? Jaime's future uncertain is. :notsure:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 20, 2019, 03:34:41 AM
Well, this Sunday should be very lively, given that the Army of the Dead were only hours away from Winterfell.  Personally, I'm just waiting to see Jaime kill Cersai, and maybe Theon kill Euron -- that'll be enough for me.  I've given up on the idea of a Brianne/Tormund romance.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 20, 2019, 02:16:52 PM
Well, this Sunday should be very lively, given that the Army of the Dead were only hours away from Winterfell.  Personally, I'm just waiting to see Jaime kill Cersai, and maybe Theon kill Euron -- that'll be enough for me.  I've given up on the idea of a Brianne/Tormund romance.

Yes. :smilenod: I also believe it's going to be Jaime and not Tyrion to kill Cersei, but I'm hoping it'll be Yara who will off that mad dog Euron. Theon will be busy in Winterfell redeeming himself, I think.

As for Brianne and Tormund, there are still several episodes to go, maybe there will be a spark somewhere, somehow.  ;D
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on April 20, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
What's the special weapon Arya has commissioned?
What's going to happen when the hot dragons meet the cold one?
Shouldn't everyone just have moved to warmer climes for a while?
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 20, 2019, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx link=topic=10074.msg386704#msg386704

Yes. :smilenod: I also believe it's going to be Jaime and not Tyrion to kill Cersei, but I'm hoping it'll be Yara who will off that mad dog Euron. Theon will be busy in Winterfell redeeming himself, I think.

Jaime killing Cersei is just too poetic to pass up.  Maybe it'll be a murder/suicide.  Not only poetic but appropriate.

As for Yara, I'd like for her to be the one to kill Euron but she seems to be on her way out to sea to lick her wounds whereas Euron and the Golden Company will be heading into the fight (tho who knows on what side?) so I think it's more likely Theon who'll be meeting his uncle in battle.

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As for Brianne and Tormund, there are still several episodes to go, maybe there will be a spark somewhere, somehow.  ;D

We can dream.  I think Brienne would probably prefer Jaime as her first and only fling, but I also think he'll die the way he lived -- with his sister as his only sex partner.

Having watched the episode again, three more things occurred to me:

1.  When Cersei sends Bronn off to kill her traitorous brother, which one did she mean?  I know she's always wanted Tyrion dead, but Jaime's turned his back on her now and she's unlikely to take that well. 

2.  I know it was very obvious, but I did not realize at first that was little Lord Umber tacked up to the wall.  So I guess the dead now have the wagons and horses he was taking back to his people, and there'll be no Umbers at the big fight.  Unless that clan starts all over with a new leader from another branch of the family. 

3.  If the fire dragons are being made unwell by the Northern climate, they aren't going to be much use either when the ice dragon turns up.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 20, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
What's the special weapon Arya has commissioned?
I thought it was a sword, to be made of Valarian steel.  Swords seem to be her weapon of choice.

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What's going to happen when the hot dragons meet the cold one?
Nothing good for the human side is what I'm thinking.

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Shouldn't everyone just have moved to warmer climes for a while?
Or to wetter ones, since the Dead don't seem to be able to do anything more than walk along the bottom of lakes and oceans.  But I wonder if there will be any warmer climes once winter settles in -- will the entire planet be under snow?  And are there places other than Westeros and Essos?

In any case, most of the people in the Seven Kingdoms don't seem particularly smart.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 20, 2019, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx link=topic=10074.msg386704#msg386704

Yes. :smilenod: I also believe it's going to be Jaime and not Tyrion to kill Cersei, but I'm hoping it'll be Yara who will off that mad dog Euron. Theon will be busy in Winterfell redeeming himself, I think.

Jaime killing Cersei is just too poetic to pass up.  Maybe it'll be a murder/suicide.  Not only poetic but appropriate.

As for Yara, I'd like for her to be the one to kill Euron but she seems to be on her way out to sea to lick her wounds whereas Euron and the Golden Company will be heading into the fight (tho who knows on what side?) so I think it's more likely Theon who'll be meeting his uncle in battle.

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As for Brianne and Tormund, there are still several episodes to go, maybe there will be a spark somewhere, somehow.  ;D

We can dream.  I think Brienne would probably prefer Jaime as her first and only fling, but I also think he'll die the way he lived -- with his sister as his only sex partner.

Yes, according to the witch's prophecy, back in Season I-don't-remember, Cersei's younger brother will be the one to kill her, but the witch didn't mention to her exactly which younger brother it'll be. Cersei and Jaime are twins, but Cersei was the first to be born. As for Tyrion, I get the feeling the whole show tried to lead us to believe that her younger dwarf brother will be the one to kill her since they absolutely hate each other, but I think that anything that if something seems predictable in this show it won't happen.   

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Having watched the episode again, three more things occurred to me:

1.  When Cersei sends Bronn off to kill her traitorous brother, which one did she mean?  I know she's always wanted Tyrion dead, but Jaime's turned his back on her now and she's unlikely to take that well. 

I understood it to mean both her brothers? :notsure: If I remember correctly, she said that both Jaime and Tyrion wronged Bronn.

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2.  I know it was very obvious, but I did not realize at first that was little Lord Umber tacked up to the wall.  So I guess the dead now have the wagons and horses he was taking back to his people, and there'll be no Umbers at the big fight.  Unless that clan starts all over with a new leader from another branch of the family.


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3.  If the fire dragons are being made unwell by the Northern climate, they aren't going to be much use either when the ice dragon turns up.

Yeah, things should get interesting.

Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 22, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
Well, that was just more calm before the storm.  Still I suppose we'll need it since there's bound to be about 4 episodes worth of relentless carnage.

I was wrong about Arya's weapon, tho glad to see she did get in on the dragon glass -- much more useful than valarian steel with the wights.  Or whatever they are.

Not sure how I feel about her and Gendry.  She's clearly not a little girl anymore, but it's still creepy to me.

Even tho they're all going to be dead soon, it was very sweet of Jaime to knight Brienne.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 23, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Trying hard not to succumb and read your post, Sandy! I haven't caught up yet. :sad sigh:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 23, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Trying hard not to succumb and read your post, Sandy! I haven't caught up yet. :sad sigh:

Eh, still no real action yet.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on April 23, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
:sad sigh: They've been stretching it out for 7 seasons, what's one more episode?  ;D
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 29, 2019, 06:29:50 AM
Holy Fucking Shit -- I can't believe the final season is really about fighting damn Cersei. 

And because I couldn't keep the list of the dead and living straight: Who died and who survived the Battle of Winterfell (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/29/18522076/game-of-thrones-long-night-who-died-battle-of-winterfel)

I notice Tormund isn't on either list, and now I'm going to be worrying about him until next week.

[edit: just re-read the list and Tormund did survive, along with Pod and Ghost.  Whew.]
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bluenose on April 29, 2019, 11:22:28 AM
Yay!  The onion knight survived the battle of Winterfell!
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 30, 2019, 05:40:14 AM
Yay!  The onion knight survived the battle of Winterfell!

And apparently that little girl who promised to defend the crypt.  Now he can adopt her, if he survives the fight with Cersei, and they can live happily ever after.  Probably in Essos because Westeros is going to be nothing but a graveyard.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Davin on May 09, 2019, 08:56:35 PM

That happening the way it did, ignoring physics (even in a fantasy world), things built up in the world, and almost anything resembling consistency, just to bring Dany low... is why I stopped watching the show many seasons back, but am grudgingly finishing it now. There are so many other ways to have accomplished the same thing that didn't make her look blind (how could she not see a boat on the ocean from up there?), or stupid (she's not), or give super natural aiming and power abilities to bits of wood shooting from a ship (abilities that seem to have disappeared after the first Dragon died). But they chose to do it this way for surprise and shock value over internal consistency, logic, and reason.

It's just silly.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 10, 2019, 02:09:49 AM
:redface: Still haven't watched episodes 2,3 and 4, though I know plenty of spoilers. I just can't help not going looking for spoilers. ::)

It's a sickness.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 12, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
A special warning for Silver, if she isn't caught up yet -- this post has the Liberal Redneck's recap of the first four episodes of season 8.  Spoilers, so many spoilers.

GoTdamn recaps

Episode 1: Winterfell

Episode 2: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

Episode 3: The Long Night

Episode 4: The Last of the Starks
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 12, 2019, 12:43:24 PM
That happening the way it did, ignoring physics (even in a fantasy world), things built up in the world, and almost anything resembling consistency, just to bring Dany low... is why I stopped watching the show many seasons back, but am grudgingly finishing it now. There are so many other ways to have accomplished the same thing that didn't make her look blind (how could she not see a boat on the ocean from up there?), or stupid (she's not), or give super natural aiming and power abilities to bits of wood shooting from a ship (abilities that seem to have disappeared after the first Dragon died). But they chose to do it this way for surprise and shock value over internal consistency, logic, and reason.

It's just silly.

Yeah, I had considered not bothering with the final season but decided to go ahead since it is the final season.  Can't say I'm much lured by the prequel that's being planned tho.

It surprises me that they'd try to turn Dany into the Mad Queen because it seems to me that Cersei has that all sewn up.  And Cersei being the Mad Queen would dovetail so nicely with Jaime coming back to Kings Landing to fulfill the prophecy by killing her, just as he did the Mad King 20 years ago, and bringing their story full circle.

Altho, in view of what happened last week, I'd have no objection to Gray Worm killing Cersei instead while Jaime stood by and watched.  That would sort of fulfill the prophecy -- the younger brother was responsible for his sister's death by doing nothing to stop her assassin even tho he could have.

At this point I don't care at all who sits on the Iron Throne since all the people I'd thought actually likely to do a good job of leading Westeros (whether or not they were in either line of succession) are now dead. 
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 15, 2019, 12:08:06 AM
Episode 5: The Bells
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bluenose on May 15, 2019, 03:16:56 AM
Episode 5: The Bells

I just love the Liberal Redneck's taqke on things!

BTW, FWIW I don't think anyone is going to sit on the iron throne, cause as far as I can see there isn't one left after Daeny's little effort this week.  My thoughts on next week: I wonder if Tyrion gets to make up with Sansa, Jon returns to Winterfel as King in the North with Tyrion as his hand.  Arya decides being a lady of Storm's End isn't such a bad idea and hangs up her assasinhood. Of course I'm probably wrong on all counts, so sue me...
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Magdalena on May 15, 2019, 06:57:48 AM
^^^
I don't know anything about GOT, but I could sit here and watch this Liberal Redneck talk about it for hours.  :lol:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 15, 2019, 01:03:41 PM
BTW, FWIW I don't think anyone is going to sit on the iron throne, cause as far as I can see there isn't one left after Daeny's little effort this week.  My thoughts on next week: I wonder if Tyrion gets to make up with Sansa, Jon returns to Winterfel as King in the North with Tyrion as his hand.  Arya decides being a lady of Storm's End isn't such a bad idea and hangs up her assasinhood. Of course I'm probably wrong on all counts, so sue me...

Well, after guessing pretty well about how things were going to go at the beginning of this series, I have completely bombed on the entire 8th season.  I thought, given what I'd seen in the last 7 seasons, that there'd be one episode spent on gathering/catching up, 4 episodes of the battle at Winterfell with every single one of the living having died horribly by episode 5 (I mean, c'mon, they were facing an enormous army of zombies backed up by an ice dragon) and then the final episode showing the Night King over-running King's Landing and eating Cersei's face off.  Altho with the kind of story this is, he'd probably turn Cersei into a White Walker and make her the Night Queen.  I'd hate her getting off the hook in any way, but that ending would make sense to me.

Needless to say, what happened was pretty much the opposite of that. 

The only thing in the real episode 5 that made any sense to me was Clegane Bowl.  I was sorry to see the Hound die, he was one of my favorites, but I knew he had to kill his brother and the only way to kill the Mountain would be something so extreme it would end them both.  And of course Maester Frankenstein's sudden, violent death was a huge bonus.

But other than that . . .

Jaime and Cersei getting a romancey, ride or die death was my biggest complaint.  Seven seasons of Jaime's redemption arc thrown right out the window.  Why did they even make the effort.

As for the whole killing of the innocents while burning King's Landing to the ground after it had surrendered and it's soldiers lain down their weapons --

I can't really blame the Dothraki, they were being true to their culture and following Dany's lead,

And I can't really blame Gray Worm either, he was not only being true to his training and following Dany's lead but was in serious need of grief counseling before he did anything else, much less go into battle against the people he associated with Missandei's death the day before.  He had, briefly, a love that could be called transformative without it being a cliche, something so outside the realm of possibility it must have seemed like a true miracle -- explainable only by supernatural means.  As you can see, I'm a Gray Worm/Missandei fan and GoT has broken my heart.

But Dany, what in the blue blazes was she thinking?  She'd won, with comparatively little effort and after only killing soldiers.  King's Landing had surrendered to her, Cersei was on the run and if Dany acted fast enough she'd have been able to catch her, and if she'd burned the Red Tower to the ground to kill Cersei and whatever minions she had left, I wouldn't have blamed Dany in the least.  But no, she had to turn insane just like that and torch all of King's Landing, killing most of the population. 

And yes, yes, I know Dany had threatened cities before with "fire and blood" and being burned to the ground, but she'd also declared she had no interest in being "the Queen of the ashes" and had always shown the greatest concern for the innocent and helpless, the "small folk" as they're called here.  She'd only turned her dragons on powerful enemies before, or those who'd betrayed her like poor Varys.  (I am upset about him too tho he really did bring it on himself)

In fact, being a champion of the small folk was her main political plank, the way she was showing the world she was different from other rulers.  Well, not any more.  I suppose this is setting up Dany to be killed by outraged or terrified Westerosi -- either Jon and/or Tyrion, or any one of the remaining powerful families of Westeros who have no desire to go from crazy to crazier in a ruler.

And speaking of these, wasn't Yara on the way to King's Landing with an Ironborn fleet, and hadn't Dany secured the Vale and Dorne as allies?  Why was the war started before any of those three even got there, what was the point of getting them to come in on the fight if they weren't going to be used?  I get the feeling that this was only to have a large army (some of whom have a history of dragon killing) marching in that can now be turned against the untrustworthy Dany, and bring the story to a rushed and clumsy end.

I could whine also about Arya's remarkable ability to survive an entire city falling on her, and a dragon breathing at her, or for that matter Euron's ability to get blasted off a ship by a dragon and not even have a blister or a limp, but I won't.  This show has made me tired.







Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 15, 2019, 01:05:03 PM
^^^
I don't know anything about GOT, but I could sit here and watch this Liberal Redneck talk about it for hours.  :lol:

I know, I know.   :dance:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on May 16, 2019, 03:08:23 PM
I can't look what anyone else is saying but I just watched ep3.
I expected Arya would kill King Blue but I was worried for her.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 23, 2019, 10:32:15 PM
And so ends our watch.  I wasn't thrilled with the last season, but I'll take a handful of happy endings for the much put upon Starks as a consolation prize.

Here's a nice present for us:  most if not all of the favorite characters from all 8 seasons.  (Note where Brienne is sitting).

(https://i.imgur.com/7Zsko84.jpg?1)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on May 24, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
And so ends our watch. 

I'm still watching out for the final book/s.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Davin on May 28, 2019, 03:41:53 PM
And so ends our watch. 

I'm still watching out for the final book/s.
(https://i.imgflip.com/so5ya.jpg)
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: xSilverPhinx on May 28, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 28, 2019, 08:38:14 PM
^^^  :snicker: :rofl: :clapping:
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bluenose on May 29, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
^^^  :snicker: :rofl: :clapping:

Yes, very funny.  Nevertheless I am one of the apparently few who really enjoyed the last season and was quite satisfied with the way it all turned out.  I had been thinking Daeny was not all happiness and light for quite some time, seems I was right.  I get what those saying the series was too short are on about but in the end making it longer would simply have been inserting more padding rather than real content.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Bad Penny II on May 29, 2019, 02:03:12 PM
[Ned Stark voice] That's rubbish.[/Ned Stark voice]

The screen writers are copping heaps, they'd been doing so well.
They are GREAT screen writers.
George is a GREAT author, did he share his synopsis for the ending?
Expecting the GREAT screenwriters to finalize it when the GREAT author has been stuck for a decade, hmm.

I didn't mind the conclusion, Daenerys was likeable, freer of slaves no less.
Her feeling of entitlement to the throne of swords though, my ancestor killed all who opposed to make it so it should be mine.  I've assembled a mighty array of killers, let's sail.  What of the small folk?  I think Ned gave a fuck for the small folk.
The seven kingdoms didn't need Daenerys, well it wouldn'd have if it didn't have a zombie problem, did they help with that? 
Ye she saved John's bacon
But she donated a dragon.

So anyway I'd of liked another twenty episodes to finish it of properly.

Ah fuck it, Ned should of just stayed in Winterfell.
Title: Re: A Game of Thrones (Full of spoilers!)
Post by: Sandra Craft on May 29, 2019, 09:42:27 PM
I just can't stop watching it, and I laugh just as hard every time.

I will say one thing for a season that disappointed me, it does give me the fun of re-doing it on my own, which arguably I enjoy more than a good season.