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Title: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: MatureMcLeod on July 22, 2016, 08:14:36 PM
So I came out to my family as an atheist today. I gave them a list of over 100 evil bible quotes from pedophillia, to catching animals on fire, to dashing babies against the rocks. They said I was the crazy one, threw a tempertantrum and I said I didn't want to talk about it. So they grabbed my neck, threw me in the car and drove to a Christian hospital. They lied and said I was doing all these horrible things like robbing animals and raping random people (Cough Cough... God did those things in Matthew 21:1-3 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29). Anyway, Then they said they would forgive me if I said I accepted Jesus as my lord and savior. So I did, and they said I didn't "feel" like it. So I was stuck in a straight jacket for three hours for something I didn't do. And I had to say the Lord's Prayer three times and quote my favorite scripture to prove I was Christian. I quoted Numbers 31:17-18 where God's people killed the men and kept the women and children as sex slaves, and one of the hospital managers slapped me. In the end I faked to get out and my parents said it was a tiny mistake and it would be better since I am a "Christian" now. Good thing I have my shoe laces now.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Tank on July 22, 2016, 09:44:00 PM
Well now you know what will happen! FFS what the hell has got into your parents?
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
Well now you know what will happen! FFS what the hell has got into your parents?

God, with all his love for humans?
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Magdalena on July 22, 2016, 10:20:06 PM
... I quoted Numbers 31:17-18 where God's people killed the men and kept the women and children as sex slaves, and one of the hospital managers slapped me.
...

I'm gonna start Googling Christian Hospitals in my area so that I can avoid them, I wouldn't want the hospital manager slapping me.  :unsure:
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Waski_the_Squirrel on July 23, 2016, 05:15:17 AM
You were released that quickly?

With a situation like this, have you considered contacting social services?
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Magdalena on July 23, 2016, 06:31:12 AM
You were released that quickly?

With a situation like this, have you considered contacting social services?

Well, the the hospital manager slapped, MatureMcLeod! They didn't want him/her there, 'contaminating' the other patients with all this atheist nonsense! I already suggested what you suggested, but I think it's time to call the FBI, the DEA, the CIA, and the INTERPOL! Heck, I would even call Father Lankester Merrin, the elderly priest and archaeologist from the movie, The Exorcist. Just in case, he/she should also invite the young priest, Father/Dr. Damien Karras S.J., sure, he is just a troubled priest, vocational counselor, and psychiatrist, but right now, MatureMcLeod should be getting all the help he/she can get!  :-\


Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
... I quoted Numbers 31:17-18 where God's people killed the men and kept the women and children as sex slaves, and one of the hospital managers slapped me.
...

I'm gonna start Googling Christian Hospitals in my area so that I can avoid them, I wouldn't want the hospital manager slapping me.  :unsure:
I dunno'... To a dirtier mind, that might actually sound... Kinky.  :???:
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 23, 2016, 04:31:27 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 23, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 23, 2016, 08:48:23 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Recusant on July 23, 2016, 11:24:41 PM
I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Yes, it's an intriguing account.  :)
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Magdalena on July 24, 2016, 06:34:10 AM
An intriguing account? Meh.
I still think Pahu has the most intriguing account, so far.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Magdalena on July 24, 2016, 06:39:20 AM
... I quoted Numbers 31:17-18 where God's people killed the men and kept the women and children as sex slaves, and one of the hospital managers slapped me.
...

I'm gonna start Googling Christian Hospitals in my area so that I can avoid them, I wouldn't want the hospital manager slapping me.  :unsure:
I dunno'... To a dirtier mind, that might actually sound... Kinky.  :???:
To a dirtier mind...Yes. My mind is not that dirty, yet. I don't think I would enjoy getting slapped by hospital manager...I'm sure some would, I don't know...that would be kinky. I think that's the way a porno movie would start. Yes? :eyebrow:
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: OldGit on July 24, 2016, 10:19:52 AM
Hmmmm ...
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2016, 10:53:00 AM
Hmmmm ...
Now, "hmmmm" can mean everything from disdain through unbelief and consideration to utter delight.

Wonder which "hmmmm" that was?  ;D
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 24, 2016, 12:42:55 PM
Going back and reading this I'm convinced that the OP is parody of some sort. Notice that the whole event happened "today".  No way all that could happen in one day.  I think he just made it up to highlight what he sees as Christian abuses and dangerous dogma.  Interesting literary device.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Siz on July 24, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Aww dammit! I was just beta-testing my sympathy subroutines ready to go online. Guess I'll have to factory reset parameters back to 'stop whining' default and start again.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 24, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Aww dammit! I was just beta-testing my sympathy subroutines ready to go online. Guess I'll have to factory reset parameters back to 'stop whining' default and start again.

So if that was you (not sure who or what to believe now), I can offer some suggestions.  Don't be quite so over-the-top.  Religion can be bad, but the complaints must be believable if you want to trick someone into accepting you into the victim community.  Keep it real.

Remember "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Tank on July 24, 2016, 05:36:41 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Aww dammit! I was just beta-testing my sympathy subroutines ready to go online. Guess I'll have to factory reset parameters back to 'stop whining' default and start again.

So if that was you (not sure who or what to believe now), I can offer some suggestions.  Don't be quite so over-the-top.  Religion can be bad, but the complaints must be believable if you want to trick someone into accepting you into the victim community.  Keep it real.

Remember "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
MatureMcloud is posting from the USA and has nothing to do with Siz.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 24, 2016, 06:44:27 PM
I mean, it does sound really out there. But especially without having much background, I'm not willing to immediately write it off. These types of places do exist, especially in "off the grid" religious communities that basically self-police. If this is legit, the person involved needs to be believed and needs resources to get out.

What doesn't really line up for me is how someone in one of those communities is routinely online, let alone on an atheist forum, spewing quite a bit of hard-line hate.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 24, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Aww dammit! I was just beta-testing my sympathy subroutines ready to go online. Guess I'll have to factory reset parameters back to 'stop whining' default and start again.

So if that was you (not sure who or what to believe now), I can offer some suggestions.  Don't be quite so over-the-top.  Religion can be bad, but the complaints must be believable if you want to trick someone into accepting you into the victim community.  Keep it real.

Remember "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
MatureMcloud is posting from the USA and has nothing to do with Siz.

OK.  Thanks.  So I'm still waiting for Mature to give some details that substantiate his claim.  Right now it's in the "Pants on Fire" category. 
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 24, 2016, 07:00:21 PM
These types of places do exist, especially in "off the grid" religious communities that basically self-police. If this is legit, the person involved needs to be believed and needs resources to get out.

If it's legit then I'll take back everything I said.  But a "Christian hospital" that basically kidnaps people for being atheists? Where does that exist?  Who licenses that kind of facility?  I work for a hospital system that has religious ties to Baptists.  There are Methodist, Adventist, Presbyterian and Catholic hospitals all over the country.  None of them would do this.  I'm just not convinced.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Siz on July 24, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Uh, is this true?  I don't know a place in the USA where someone would be put in a straight jacket under these circumstances.  Where did this happen?

Yeah... If this is accurate, this place should be reported and investigated. There are a lot of things here that don't sound legal at all.

I'm not at all convinced this is legit, but I await a response from the poster.

Aww dammit! I was just beta-testing my sympathy subroutines ready to go online. Guess I'll have to factory reset parameters back to 'stop whining' default and start again.

So if that was you (not sure who or what to believe now), I can offer some suggestions.  Don't be quite so over-the-top.  Religion can be bad, but the complaints must be believable if you want to trick someone into accepting you into the victim community.  Keep it real.

Remember "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
I was just expressing my near-sympathy at this kid's ostensible plight. But if your suspicions are correct (which I'm not sure I share) then I'd have to reset my emotion chip.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 24, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
These types of places do exist, especially in "off the grid" religious communities that basically self-police. If this is legit, the person involved needs to be believed and needs resources to get out.

If it's legit then I'll take back everything I said.  But a "Christian hospital" that basically kidnaps people for being atheists? Where does that exist?  Who licenses that kind of facility?  I work for a hospital system that has religious ties to Baptists.  There are Methodist, Adventist, Presbyterian and Catholic hospitals all over the country.  None of them would do this.  I'm just not convinced.

They aren't conventional medical hospitals, and they certainly aren't liscenced. They're extensions of the church that rely on prayer, repentance, redemption, banishing demons and so forth.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 24, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
OK, still waiting for verification from Poster.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2016, 10:01:41 PM
OK, still waiting for verification from Poster.

One possible concern is that the poster is genuine, if exagerating the situation, and a bit paranoid. Being challenged here could then ensure that we are perceived as part of the threat and therefore to be avoided.

Therapists may have to overcome the, "If you are not with me you are against me," barrier when they do not immediately side with the client.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Tank on July 24, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
OK, still waiting for verification from Poster.

One possible concern is that the poster is genuine, if exagerating the situation, and a bit paranoid. Being challenged here could then ensure that we are perceived as part of the threat and therefore to be avoided.

Therapists may have to overcome the, "If you are not with me you are against me," barrier when they do not immediately side with the client.
Yes. Presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2016, 12:05:42 AM
OK, this is fine.  I'll wait and see.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2016, 09:06:56 AM
OK, this is fine.  I'll wait and see.

Well, whichever MM is, trollish, genuine or somewhere between,, chances are he has gone elsewhere after being challenged.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
OK, this is fine.  I'll wait and see.

Well, whichever MM is, trollish, genuine or somewhere between,, chances are he has gone elsewhere after being challenged.

So, was it wrong for me to challenge? 
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2016, 02:07:32 PM
OK, this is fine.  I'll wait and see.

Well, whichever MM is, trollish, genuine or somewhere between,, chances are he has gone elsewhere after being challenged.

So, was it wrong for me to challenge?
No, but the nature of the challenge could possibly have been gentler, more indirect, more first-person.

Rather than an almost accusatory statement about being a "parody" perhaps, "MM, you come over like a parody, help us understand your situation by . . ."

I was wondering how any sane (?) troll types would have made the almost obsessed listing of the "Christian evils". That seems, to me, to be more the product of a disturbed person.

Not sure there is a comparison with Pahu in terms of method rather than objective. Pahu's stuff is just c-a-p of, evidently, well rehearsed sources with little understanding of the substance. MM seens to have researched his stuff and chosen it for his own purposes, rather than logic or accuracy. That makes it, possibly, an expression of internalised  fears with external origins - whether those be actual or perceived.

"Actual or perceived" is crucial and may require a delicate touch with some.

There again - you could be right if he was a trollish type, we will probably never know now.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Asmodean on July 25, 2016, 04:04:13 PM
Rather than an almost accusatory statement about being a "parody" perhaps, "MM, you come over like a parody, help us understand your situation by . . ."
Wouldn't that be an insult of sorts to the person's intelligence? It's just... I don't know... If you want to say something that you know is likely to be percieved as less than flattering, does it not become even worse if you bake it into a PC-pie? I may misunderstand humans, but that just seems to add a layer of passive-aggressive to it far more often than not.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2016, 04:30:42 PM
Rather than an almost accusatory statement about being a "parody" perhaps, "MM, you come over like a parody, help us understand your situation by . . ."
Wouldn't that be an insult of sorts to the person's intelligence? It's just... I don't know... If you want to say something that you know is likely to be percieved as less than flattering, does it not become even worse if you bake it into a PC-pie? I may misunderstand humans, but that just seems to add a layer of passive-aggressive to it far more often than not.

That is the problem, perception is a very personal thing and my approafh might not work with MM. Therapists have a reputation for prolonging tgerapy to make more mkney, for doing nothing.. But before you can therapise someone, or merely understand a friend's fears, you have to understand the problem (as best you can) from the other person's point of view. Can take a long time. You might have to challenge that p-o-v to achieve that.

There are similarities between humans in their behaviours, their reactions and actions. Takes years for a therapist to build up that knowledge and find the best "approximation" to suit an individual case.

Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Pasta Chick on July 25, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Rather than an almost accusatory statement about being a "parody" perhaps, "MM, you come over like a parody, help us understand your situation by . . ."
Wouldn't that be an insult of sorts to the person's intelligence? It's just... I don't know... If you want to say something that you know is likely to be percieved as less than flattering, does it not become even worse if you bake it into a PC-pie? I may misunderstand humans, but that just seems to add a layer of passive-aggressive to it far more often than not.

I think that depends on how genuine you're being. If you're sure they're full of shit and trying to call them on it, odds are it will come off poorly and you're better to say nothing. If you have a genuine want to know more because you acknowledge that while out there, it -could- be true, there are plenty of ways to phrase further questions.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 26, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
OK, this is fine.  I'll wait and see.

Well, whichever MM is, trollish, genuine or somewhere between,, chances are he has gone elsewhere after being challenged.

So, was it wrong for me to challenge?

I don't think so.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: Waski_the_Squirrel on July 26, 2016, 04:35:21 AM
I had some concerns about this story, but I was kind and suggested contacting social services.

And there are several reasons why:

1. When you first get into something, you tend to have a missionary zeal. For example: when my fountain pen obsession started, I went a little nuts. When I started preaching, I got serious about reading and sharing the Bible (though ironically, that hastened my atheism). When I first became atheist, I wanted to debunk everyone.

2. Younger people, especially teenagers, don't always explain things the way those of us who are adults would. I quite clearly recall my second grade teacher slapping me and knocking me to the ground. At this point in my life, it's nothing. At the time, it was a pretty big deal, and I suspect that my memories make more of it than it actually was. So, there could easily be truth in this story. But, for example, a hand on the cheek to get attention could easily be interpreted as a slap.  There could easily be more to why this person was institutionalized than atheism. For example, some people (especially kids) are still institutionalized for being homosexual. They can also be institutionalized for self-destructive behavior. 

3. Stories change to make the subject look good. Apparently I'm terrifying when I yell. That's what my students tell me. Now, I'm not a yeller, so I'll concede that I have the element of surprise on my side. I broke up a fight at the school where I teach two years ago and was told how scary I was. Now, the reality is that I got their attention, but I was pretty calm. But, it was their way of saving their manhood.

4. I can believe that the OP is struggling with religion. Sadly, I do know that some families are horrific. One of my colleagues apparently believes I'm given over to Satan. Being a 40 year old man who can calmly say, "What are you going to do about it?" in response to her hysteria is a different place from being a minor child, especially a minor child who is outspoken.


I suspect that there is something going on with the OP. Whether the account reported is entirely accurate is a different question.
Title: Re: My parents sent me to a mental hospital for being an atheist.
Post by: SisterAgatha on October 03, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
This is a joke and a scandal.

I don't suggest being irreligious but there is no way a mental institution would accept someone for being atheist.

In fact they barely have them anymore.