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Religion => Creationism/Intelligent Design => Topic started by: Recusant on November 13, 2015, 03:43:48 PM

Title: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on November 13, 2015, 03:43:48 PM
We've had a couple of threads on the Christian theme park that Ken Ham and his band of liars for Jesus are creating in Kentucky (original here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6318.0)). I just checked in on what progress has occurred, since the last I knew it was just empty ground with some stakes in it. Turns out there has been some impressive progress (https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2015/07/28/ark-construction-moving-ahead/), though they of course are making absolutely no effort to replicate ancient building techniques. There was no mention in the Bible of a cinder/breezeblock core in Noah's ark, for instance. Nor steel bolts and connector plates and laminated lumber.

(https://cdn-assets.answersingenesis.org/img/blogs/ken-ham/2015/07/ark-roof-now-being-constructed5.jpg)

(https://cdn-assets.answersingenesis.org/img/blogs/ken-ham/2015/07/ark-roof-now-being-constructed4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Davin on November 13, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Maybe joining plates came naturally with Gopher Wood... no one know what that kind of wood Gopher Wood is.  :P
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Icarus on November 13, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
The crane and the man lift looks suspiciously un Noah like.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Tom62 on November 14, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
The crane and the man lift looks suspiciously un Noah like.

God works in mysterious ways ;)
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Tank on November 14, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
The crane and the man lift looks suspiciously un Noah like.

God works in mysterious ways ;)
By picking Kan Hamm as a prophet? Yes that's pretty mysterious!  :puke:
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: OldGit on November 14, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
It's sad that so much money is wasted on this nonsense.  Centuries ago they wasted it on the great cathedrals, but at least they created lasting architecture of great beauty.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Icarus on January 17, 2016, 06:37:53 AM
The latest report on the AIG  fun and games.                                    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/noahs-ark-rises-in-kentucky-dinosaurs-and-all/ar-BBohrlr?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHPames.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: jumbojak on January 18, 2016, 01:56:05 AM
They could've at least used joinery to fit the damn thing together. It's sad really. Had they done that it would've been an interesting piece of carpentry at least. Now it just rivals some wooden roller coasters.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on January 18, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
The latest report on the AIG  fun and games.                                    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/noahs-ark-rises-in-kentucky-dinosaurs-and-all/ar-BBohrlr?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHPames.

Thanks for posting that update, Icarus. I especially appreciated the detail regarding how Ham's troupe of mountebanks is going to make the employees at the theme park help pay for its construction. Sweet!

Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on January 18, 2016, 11:19:08 AM
They could've at least used joinery to fit the damn thing together. It's sad really. Had they done that it would've been an interesting piece of carpentry at least. Now it just rivals some wooden roller coasters.

Traditional timber framing techniques would certainly have made the interior of the thing more attractive, but the general public probably wouldn't really notice it. That would have made its construction much more expensive and time-consuming though and after all it is a theme park, so the roller coaster thing is in keeping.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on May 12, 2016, 07:28:10 PM
The Ark Park boondoggle is set to open in July. The main structure of the phony ark itself is almost done, as can be seen in the video below, which is a news report about the billboard that the Tri-State Freethinkers wanted to put up (http://abcnews.go.com/US/atheist-ad-mocking-noahs-ark-park-genocide-incest/story?id=39034409).


Ken Ham, as usual, is incapable of addressing the issue honestly. You can read his take on it here (https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2016/05/11/secularists-want-to-hurt-kentucky/) if you've been missing a touch of nausea in your life.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Icarus on May 12, 2016, 08:00:37 PM
Billboard companies were using good business sense to avoid renting space to the free thinker group. It is not much of a stretch to imagine billboard arson or other destructive methods. They are, after all, in the middle of the bible belt.

This is akin to the gay wedding cake flap that has gotten so much national attention.  Will the ACLU see this as a case worthy of their consideration?  I would not want to be one of the plaintiff lawyers in such a case. Another Scopes trial?
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on May 12, 2016, 09:14:48 PM
I don't see any case, if you're talking about the billboard issue. There was no government suppression of free speech. The tax incentive case (http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/grant-county/ark-encounter-builder-wins-legal-battle-over-tax-incentives) was already decided in Ham & Co.'s favor.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Firebird on May 12, 2016, 10:39:41 PM
I think what Icarus is saying is that it's possible the billboard companies refused to put up the billboard specifically because it was an atheist/freethinker group, which would be an issue. Not clear if that's the case, since it was clearly designed to offend.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on May 12, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
I think what Icarus is saying is that it's possible the billboard companies refused to put up the billboard specifically because it was an atheist/freethinker group, which would be an issue.

If they did, I think they're entirely within their legal rights to do so. They can refuse to provide their service to any group as long as that group is not specifically protected from discrimination. I don't think atheists/freethinkers have that sort of protection. Perhaps somebody could build a case based on the idea that atheism is a religious belief (it's been done successfully before (https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2014/jun/5/seventh-circuit-atheism-considered-religion-survey-prisoner-interest-required/)), and therefore should be protected. It might be difficult because atheism, being merely a position on the existence of deities, is not promoting any positive beliefs unlike, say, Humanism.

Not clear if that's the case, since it was clearly designed to offend.

Exactly--this wouldn't be a test case I would choose if I were trying to show religious discrimination. The opposing legal team can argue that the company refused to display the proposed billboard because of its defamatory and inflammatory message. The billboard company could very well have decided not to display the billboard because they were justifiably afraid their property would be damaged or destroyed.

Our local Christian legal eagle might be able to provide more insight, or correct any errors in the above.  :D
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Steeler on August 03, 2016, 05:46:46 AM
Being that this thing is only an hour and a half away from me I know a few people who have visited it. They all come away amazed. I've even heard of a few that are now buying into the young earth craziness because of it.
Wow.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Tank on August 03, 2016, 06:26:49 AM
Being that this thing is only an hour and a half away from me I know a few people who have visited it. They all come away amazed. I've even heard of a few that are now buying into the young earth craziness because of it.
Wow.
I wonder how many go the other way and just keep quite about it?
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Asmodean on August 03, 2016, 11:51:52 AM
Yes, but will it float? The Asmo, He notes with dismay a suspicious lack of a suitable body of water near the dry dock for field testing.  >:(
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Tank on August 03, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
Yes, but will it float? The Asmo, He notes with dismay a suspicious lack of a suitable body of water near the dry dock for field testing.  >:(
They didn't test the 'original' either. The water came to it, it didn't go to the water  ;D
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Asmodean on August 03, 2016, 12:43:47 PM
Hm.  >:( Well, The Asmo is GOD, and He ith considereth a FLOOD.  >:(

...At least, rent a few hundred thousand animals, walk over there and demand a field capacity test. Even offer to pay damage and cleaning if the test succeeds. I need to borrow vast sums of money and sleep with a few dozen zoo directors.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Steeler on August 03, 2016, 12:58:47 PM
Being that this thing is only an hour and a half away from me I know a few people who have visited it. They all come away amazed. I've even heard of a few that are now buying into the young earth craziness because of it.
Wow.
I wonder how many go the other way and just keep quite about it?

Good question. Probably not many though, since they have to pay to come aboard I'd say their minds are already headed in that direction. Lol
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Recusant on August 03, 2016, 03:28:37 PM
It's a relatively expensive ticket, too. You're required to park in their lot ($10.00), then for adults it's $40.00, children aged 5 to 12 $28.00, "seniors" 59 and older $31.00 (source (https://tickets.arkencounter.com/Webstore/shop/ViewItems.aspx?CG=PRETIX&C=PSGA)).
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Tank on August 03, 2016, 06:06:34 PM
Being that this thing is only an hour and a half away from me I know a few people who have visited it. They all come away amazed. I've even heard of a few that are now buying into the young earth craziness because of it.
Wow.
I wonder how many go the other way and just keep quite about it?

Good question. Probably not many though, since they have to pay to come aboard I'd say their minds are already headed in that direction. Lol

I agree with you about the ones that are paying. I'm hoping the teenage 'drag alongs' might just have the seeds of doubt sown in their minds.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Steeler on August 03, 2016, 08:29:28 PM
Being that this thing is only an hour and a half away from me I know a few people who have visited it. They all come away amazed. I've even heard of a few that are now buying into the young earth craziness because of it.
Wow.
I wonder how many go the other way and just keep quite about it?

Good question. Probably not many though, since they have to pay to come aboard I'd say their minds are already headed in that direction. Lol

I agree with you about the ones that are paying. I'm hoping the teenage 'drag alongs' might just have the seeds of doubt sown in their minds.

Yes hopefully so. Maybe they will see it for what it is, a big money maker. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 04, 2016, 03:13:47 AM
Are there any evolution theme parks?  I can think of some fun rides: Natural Ejection!! - the rider is put on a trebuchet and hurled into the next geologic age.  Random Teenage Mutation!!!   The rider is is put in a low-rider and sent through a mock South Chicago, where he is attacked by gangs of zombie youths - survival of the fittest.   The Origin of Feces!!!!  A simulated ride through the sewers of Dhaka, Bangladesh.   
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Steeler on August 04, 2016, 03:31:31 AM
Are there any evolution theme parks?  I can think of some fun rides: Natural Ejection!! - the rider is put on a trebuchet and hurled into the next geologic age.  Random Teenage Mutation!!!   The rider is is put in a low-rider and sent through a mock South Chicago, where he is attacked by gangs of zombie youths - survival of the fittest.   The Origin of Feces!!!!  A simulated ride through the sewers of Dhaka, Bangladesh.   

Great idea! Let's make it happen. You handle the funding, I got the engineering!
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Kekerusey on August 24, 2016, 06:12:01 PM
I read somewhere recently it was a financial disaster.

If so, good.

Keke
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: joeactor on August 24, 2016, 08:33:07 PM
Are there any evolution theme parks?  I can think of some fun rides: Natural Ejection!! - the rider is put on a trebuchet and hurled into the next geologic age.  Random Teenage Mutation!!!   The rider is is put in a low-rider and sent through a mock South Chicago, where he is attacked by gangs of zombie youths - survival of the fittest.   The Origin of Feces!!!!  A simulated ride through the sewers of Dhaka, Bangladesh.   

There's the Darwineum in Germany:
(I've never been, but my voice has ;-) )
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 25, 2016, 01:25:21 AM
Are there any evolution theme parks?  I can think of some fun rides: Natural Ejection!! - the rider is put on a trebuchet and hurled into the next geologic age.  Random Teenage Mutation!!!   The rider is is put in a low-rider and sent through a mock South Chicago, where he is attacked by gangs of zombie youths - survival of the fittest.   The Origin of Feces!!!!  A simulated ride through the sewers of Dhaka, Bangladesh.   

There's the Darwineum in Germany:
(I've never been, but my voice has ;-) )

That is such a cool thing to have on your resume.

Re: the Ark Park.  I agree it would have been much more interesting if it had been built according to biblical specs, as much as possible, using the technology of the era.  That would have actually been educational.
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: joeactor on August 25, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
That is such a cool thing to have on your resume.

Re: the Ark Park.  I agree it would have been much more interesting if it had been built according to biblical specs, as much as possible, using the technology of the era.  That would have actually been educational.

(thanks!)

Agreed on the biblical specs... however - if built according to specs with the proper tech, it probably would have collapsed under it's own weight.  (also, it would have been obvious that you couldn't get all those animals on board)
Title: Re: Ark Park A-Building
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 25, 2016, 04:05:10 PM
That is such a cool thing to have on your resume.

Re: the Ark Park.  I agree it would have been much more interesting if it had been built according to biblical specs, as much as possible, using the technology of the era.  That would have actually been educational.

(thanks!)

Agreed on the biblical specs... however - if built according to specs with the proper tech, it probably would have collapsed under it's own weight.  (also, it would have been obvious that you couldn't get all those animals on board)

Exactly -- educational!