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Atheism growing in the UK?
« on: September 04, 2017, 06:43:29 PM »
A BBC poll indicates that 53% of Brits, up on 48% on the last poll, express no religious affiliation (on the radio but can't find it in line). Fewer are simply following their parents belief or simply saying "C of E" or "Anglican" as an easy option. The younger people are seeking "spirituality" via meditation.

This is following a pattern:

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People of no religion outnumber Christians in England and Wales – study
Proportion of population who describe themselves as Anglican has halved since 1983
The Guardian, May 2016

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Church this Christmas hits RECORD LOW after rocky 2016
THREE quarters of the British public have no plans to go to church over the festive period with just five per cent planning to attend a service on Christmas Day, a YouGov poll has revealed.
Daily Express December 2016

But this time a bishop has actuality said that it is better that people are being honest rather than just going for the standard reply. Previously the frocked ones have tried to play such results down.

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 10:33:33 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 10:46:21 PM »
Well, atheists have no equals, just sayin' .

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2017, 02:12:44 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.

Yes, I'd have to agree. I guess those who see themselves as "spiritual, but not religious" might fit into that description. However, I'd bet that atheism is on the rise in certain geographical areas, the UK being among them. 
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2017, 02:57:08 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.

Yes, I'd have to agree. I guess those who see themselves as "spiritual, but not religious" might fit into that description. However, I'd bet that atheism is on the rise in certain geographical areas, the UK being among them.

Look, do I have to get definitively pedantic here?

"No"

Oh, OK then...

Agreed, most "true" atheists would not perhaps condider one who accepted there was a "spiritual" dimension to life - I arrempted to discuss this elsewhere, as a fellow unbeliever. I do feel there is a "dimension" in the human psyche that is not hormonal or exactly emotional, but that seeks satisfaction via some aspect of the world; in music, poetry, a glorious natural scene etc.

No dieties or non-coporeal entities, no prayers . . . Or perhaps "appreciation", which is a sort of manifestation of this, is due to hormones?

Whatever, religion in its currently recognised and defined form seems to be in decline here. Yet that might leave a "void" for some that they seek to fill with meditation,  relaxation,  some form of awareness practice (self or external) or other method of balancing the purely physical world with  an "internal" model. I  would not be too quick to dismiss such things as "woo" without careful consideration.
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 06:13:43 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2017, 08:13:36 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.

Yes, I'd have to agree. I guess those who see themselves as "spiritual, but not religious" might fit into that description. However, I'd bet that atheism is on the rise in certain geographical areas, the UK being among them.

Look, do I have to get definitively pedantic here?

"No"

Oh, OK then...

Agreed, most "true" atheists would not perhaps condider one who accepted there was a "spiritual" dimension to life - I arrempted to discuss this elsewhere, as a fellow unbeliever. I do feel there is a "dimension" in the human psyche that is not hormonal or exactly emotional, but that seeks satisfaction via some aspect of the world; in music, poetry, a glorious natural scene etc.

No dieties or non-coporeal entities, no prayers . . . Or perhaps "appreciation", which is a sort of manifestation of this, is due to hormones?

Whatever, religion in its currently recognised and defined form seems to be in decline here. Yet that might leave a "void" for some that they seek to fill with meditation,  relaxation,  some form of awareness practice (self or external) or other method of balancing the purely physical world with  an "internal" model. I  would not be too quick to dismiss such things as "woo" without careful consideration.

Funny you mention that Gloucester...
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2017, 08:16:55 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.

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That's why the need to distinguish between the two. Otherwise you don't know how many of you there are.
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 12:50:51 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.

The OP asks the question whether atheism is growing in he U.K.  It cites the survey.  The survey does not show atheism growing in the U.K.  It may be growing - probably is.  But that is not what the survey shows.

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2017, 02:20:52 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.

The OP asks the question whether atheism is growing in he U.K.  It cites the survey.  The survey does not show atheism growing in the U.K.  It may be growing - probably is.  But that is not what the survey shows.

OK, OK! I should have asked, "Is religion on the decline in the UK?"

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But if you define atheism strictly those who seek a non-religious and non-supernatural internal alternative, even if they call it "spiritual" (as opposed to "spirirualism" as normally defined and used), are "atheos," "godless". I am sure that the religionistas would call them "atheists".

"Atheist", unlike "humanist", is a very general term in my lexicon. Such a person can please themselves as to the nature of their beliefs, ethics and morals, having only themselves, anyone close to them and secular law to answer to. Thankfully most seem to chose a fairly "normal" set of those! A humanist, as normally defined, will also be an atheist but accepts a common but fairly loose set of "rules" to live by.
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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 03:59:00 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.

The OP asks the question whether atheism is growing in he U.K.  It cites the survey.  The survey does not show atheism growing in the U.K.  It may be growing - probably is.  But that is not what the survey shows.

OK, OK! I should have asked, "Is religion on the decline in the UK?"

:D

But if you define atheism strictly those who seek a non-religious and non-supernatural internal alternative, even if they call it "spiritual" (as opposed to "spirirualism" as normally defined and used), are "atheos," "godless". I am sure that the religionistas would call them "atheists".

"Atheist", unlike "humanist", is a very general term in my lexicon. Such a person can please themselves as to the nature of their beliefs, ethics and morals, having only themselves, anyone close to them and secular law to answer to. Thankfully most seem to chose a fairly "normal" set of those! A humanist, as normally defined, will also be an atheist but accepts a common but fairly loose set of "rules" to live by.

I'm not really disputing any of this.  I'm simply acting as a logic-Nazi. 

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 04:07:05 PM »
"No religious affiliation" does not equal "atheist".  Just sayin'.
It doesn't mean they aren't atheists either. Just sayin'.

So they may be apathetic, agnostic or atheist. It just means they have given up believing the myths of our ancestors.

The OP asks the question whether atheism is growing in he U.K.  It cites the survey.  The survey does not show atheism growing in the U.K.  It may be growing - probably is.  But that is not what the survey shows.

OK, OK! I should have asked, "Is religion on the decline in the UK?"

:D

But if you define atheism strictly those who seek a non-religious and non-supernatural internal alternative, even if they call it "spiritual" (as opposed to "spirirualism" as normally defined and used), are "atheos," "godless". I am sure that the religionistas would call them "atheists".

"Atheist", unlike "humanist", is a very general term in my lexicon. Such a person can please themselves as to the nature of their beliefs, ethics and morals, having only themselves, anyone close to them and secular law to answer to. Thankfully most seem to chose a fairly "normal" set of those! A humanist, as normally defined, will also be an atheist but accepts a common but fairly loose set of "rules" to live by.

I'm not really disputing any of this.  I'm simply acting as a logic-Nazi.

A "logic Nazi" ? Only in the same class as 1932 German democracy!  :grin:

I'll grant you a battle of definitions, especially between those in any half decent dictionary and how people actually use a word. Can we have "dictionary pedant" versus "usage pedant"?

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Re: Atheism growing in the UK?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2017, 04:52:04 PM »
Just had an email from Atheism UK with the following graph:



The fourth line is the site author's estimation of the growth of atheism, about half the total of "non-religious". Now, is that "atheists in fact" or "self-described atheists"? To my mind those who have no interest or belief in the supernatural, or any kind of philosophical stance or practice that involves a belief in something that has no basis in the material world ("chakra" for e.g.), could still be described as "athiests".
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