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Started by Tank, February 23, 2012, 07:04:57 AM

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Tank

PLEASE READ THESE INSTRUCTION BEFORE PROCEEDING.

At the bottom of this post is a list of actions that could be considered good or bad or neither.
Assume that for acts that may be illegal that you are 100% sure you will not be caught or prosecuted in any way.
Please copy them and arrange then in order from the best (goodest) at the top and the worst (badest) at the bottom.

There is no right or wrong order, it is just a random list that I have dreamt up.
The idea is to create a resource for other threads in the philosophy section.

EDIT: Please do not comment on the responses as it could put other people off from contributing.


Please Note, there is a discussion thread here.
Now scroll down to the list.



















































































Going to the shops to buy food.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Looking at internet porn.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Ill treating a pet.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Cutting your lawn.
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Smoking pot.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Smoking tobacco.
Drinking alcohol.
Loving somebody.
Hating somebody.
Eating too much
Going to the gym or swimming
Reading a novel
Reading a non-fiction book
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Skipping school.






If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Stevil

OK, I can't rank them in terms or goodest to baddest, I would need to know in what context?

I could rank them in terms of which is most likely to lead towards an unsafe unstable and disfunctional society.

But in terms of simply good and bad, I rank them all as neutral.

Tank

Loving somebody.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Clearing your old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Going to the gym or swimming
Going to the shops to buy food.
Cutting your lawn.
Looking at internet porn.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.
Reading a non-fiction book.
Reading a novel
Drinking alcohol.
Smoking tobacco.
Eating too much.
Smoking pot.
Skipping school.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Hating somebody.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Ill treating a pet.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

Quote from: Stevil on February 23, 2012, 07:10:45 AM
OK, I can't rank them in terms or goodest to baddest, I would need to know in what context?

I could rank them in terms of which is most likely to lead towards an unsafe unstable and disfunctional society.

But in terms of simply good and bad, I rank them all as neutral.
Use any criteria you like.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Amicale

#4
Loving somebody.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Clearing your old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Reading a non-fiction book.
Reading a novel.
Going to the gym or swimming.
Going to the shops to buy food.
Cutting your lawn.
Eating too much.
Skipping school.
Looking at internet porn.
Drinking alcohol.
Smoking tobacco.
Smoking pot.
Killing an armed burgler you find in your house at night.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Hating somebody.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Stealing a car.
Burgling a house.
Ill treating a pet.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.


"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb we are bound to others. By every crime and act of kindness we birth our future." - Cloud Atlas

"To live in the hearts of those we leave behind is to never die." -Carl Sagan

Stevil

#5
With regards to which is most likely to lead towards an unsafe unstable and disfunctional society.
least likely at the top, most likely at the bottom

Positive towards encouraging a safe, stable and functional society
Studying for a qualification or personal interest. (the studying for a qualification has potential to benefit society)
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Clearing you old neighbor's path of snow.

Neutral in no particular order
Helping a blind person cross the road. (I don't consider that the blind person needs help crossing a road)
Going to the shops to buy food.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.
Looking at internet porn.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Cutting your lawn.
Loving somebody.
Hating somebody.
Eating too much
Going to the gym or swimming
Reading a novel
Reading a non-fiction book
Skipping school.

Neutral but conditional
Ill treating a pet. (depends how severe, dressing it in ridiculous clothes is neutral, failing to feed it is negative)
Smoking pot. (depending if you are not pregnant)
Smoking tobacco. (depending if you are not pregnant)
Drinking alcohol. (depends on the consequences)
Taking heroin or cocaine. (depends on the consequences)

Negative these could all lead to unsafe, unstable and disfunctional society.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner. (order depends on how much money)
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.

statichaos

#6
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for. Don't know what that is.
Helping a blind person cross the road. Yes
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them. Yes.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner. No
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night. Neutral.  Is the burglar armed or in a position to cause harm to me or my wife?
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world. Yes.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500. No.
Looking at internet porn. HELL yes.  Some things are sacred.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally. Too vague.  In what  manner?
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship Yes
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money. Yes
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it. No.
Ill treating a pet. No.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you. Uncertain.  How badly did they annoy me?
Cutting your lawn. Probably.
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.  If you're talking about an old person who is my neighbor, then yes..
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity. Probably.
Burgling a house. Yes.
Stealing a car. No.
Smoking pot.  Yes, if I so chose.
Taking heroin or cocaine No
Smoking tobacco. Yes.
Drinking alcohol. Yes.
Loving somebody. Yes.
Hating somebody. Yes.
Eating too much Yes.
Going to the gym or swimming  Yes.
Reading a novel Yes.
Reading a non-fiction book Yes.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest. Yes.
Skipping school. Yes.







The Magic Pudding

Loving somebody.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Clearing your old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Reading a novel.
Reading a non-fiction book.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Going to the gym or swimming.
Going to the shops to buy food.
Looking at internet porn.
Skipping school.
Smoking pot.
Drinking alcohol.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Cutting your lawn.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Eating too much.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Smoking tobacco.
Hating somebody.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Stealing a car.
Burgling a house.
Ill treating a pet. - It would have be major abuse though.
Killing an armed burgler you find in your house at night.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.

Asmodean

#8
Order of magnitude from best to least best
Good Asmo and/or good for Asmo

Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Reading a non-fiction book
Smoking tobacco.
Reading a novel
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.

Order of magnitude from positive whatever, through don't give a shit, to negative whatever)
Neutral Asmo and/or Asmo doesn't care
Going to the shops to buy food.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Cutting your lawn.
Loving somebody.
Going to the gym or swimming
Skipping school.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Eating too much
Looking at internet porn.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.

Order of magnitude from just bad to wouldn't even consider it unless in extreme circumstances
Bad Asmo or Asmo just wouldn't
Drinking alcohol.
Hating somebody.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.
Smoking pot.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Ill treating a pet.

After quite a bit of work and self-analysis, I think this is pretty close to correct. There may have been an oversight somewhere, and if there is, I will correct it.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Ali

Loving somebody.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Clearing your old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Reading a non-fiction book.
Reading a novel.
Going to the gym or swimming.
Going to the shops to buy food.
Cutting your lawn.
Eating too much.
Looking at internet porn.
Smoking pot.
Skipping school.
Drinking alcohol.
Smoking tobacco.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Ill treating a pet.
Stealing a car.
Burgling a house.
Hating somebody.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Killing an armed burgler you find in your house at night.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.

Crow

I don't mind people questioning some of decisions, so if you want to go ahead.

A nice thing to do
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.
Helping a blind person cross the road. (if they want the help)
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Skipping school.

Neither good or bad
Going to the shops to buy food.
Going to the gym or swimming
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Reading a novel
Reading a non-fiction book
Cutting your lawn.
Looking at internet porn. (normal legal stuff)
Eating too much (irregular indulgence)
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Loving somebody. - Hating somebody.

Neither good or bad but questionable
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Smoking pot. (without tobacco)
Smoking tobacco.
Smoking pot. (with tobacco)
Drinking alcohol. (irregularly, not binge drinking)
Taking heroin or cocaine. (a one off never do it again occurrence)

Negative
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Helping a blind person cross the road. (if they don't want the help)
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Eating too much (daily)
Drinking alcohol. (regularly or binge drinking)
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Looking at internet porn. (illegal stuff)
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night. (accident)
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Ill treating a pet.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night. (on purpose)
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.
Retired member.

Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Melmoth

I'm with Stevil in principle, in that I find it hard to rank them morally. Though for me that includes ranking them by how much they encourage "safe, stable society" - that too is a moral directive as far as I can see. Why shouldn't I encourage an awful, unsafe, unstable society? Because I myself would suffer as a consequence? That's only possible - depends what kind of injury I inflict and how I choose to go about inflicting it - and there's no guarantee I won't suffer anyway. Besides, I can think of no reasoned justification for why I shouldn't suffer... only primal, instinctive feelings against the idea.

So I'm going to just rate them by said base, emotional reactions. It's good if it makes me feel good.

positive, no particular order.

Loving somebody.
Hating somebody.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Killing someone who has hurt you personally.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Clearing your old neighbour's path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.

no feelings, in no particular order.

reading a non-fiction book.
Reading a novel.
Going to shops to buy food.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Cutting your lawn.
Burgling a house. (depends who's)
Stealing a car. (depends who's car and what you need it for)
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night. (depends on the burglar's motives and on how apologetic he/she was)
Looking at internet porn.
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Smoking pot.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Smoking tobacco.
Drinking alcohol.
Eating too much.
Skipping school.
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Going to the gym or swimming. (futile but I wouldn't hold it against anyone)

negative, no particular order.

Ill treating a pet.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
"That life has no meaning is a reason to live - moreover, the only one." - Emil Cioran.

Davin

Beneficial:


Neutral/Depends on Context:
Going to the shops to buy food.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Looking at internet porn.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Cutting your lawn.
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Burgling a house.
Stealing a car.
Smoking pot.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Smoking tobacco.
Drinking alcohol.
Loving somebody.
Hating somebody.
Eating too much
Going to the gym or swimming
Reading a novel
Reading a non-fiction book
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.
Skipping school.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.

Detrimental:
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Ill treating a pet.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Ecurb Noselrub

Good – Descending Order
Loving somebody.
Contributing £/$10 a month to a secular children's charity that supports orphans in the third world.
Helping a blind person cross the road.
Contributing serviceable old clothes to charity.
Clearing you old neighbours path of snow.
Having a child in a stable and loving relationship
Stealing food from a supermarket to feed your family when you have no money.
Killing an armed bugler you find in your house at night.

Bad – Ascending Order
Eating too much
Skipping school.
Smoking pot.
Smoking tobacco.
Looking at internet porn.
Taking home a bottle of Tipex from work that you did not pay for.
Cheating on your tax return to save yourself £/$500.
Stealing a luxury box of chocolates from a supermarket when you have the money to pay for it.
Taking heroin or cocaine.
Finding a wallet in the street you take the cash but return the wallet to the owner.
Being mean to somebody on the internet because you don't like them.
Ill treating a pet.
Hitting somebody because they annoyed you.
Stealing a car.
Burgling a house.
Hating somebody.
Killing somebody who has hurt you personally.

Neutral

Going to the shops to buy food.
Reading a non-fiction book
Reading a novel
Cutting your lawn.
Drinking alcohol.
Going to the gym or swimming
Studying for a qualification or personal interest.