I've been trying to sort this issue out in my mind, not because I have a problem with it but because I don't understand why it causes so much strong emotion. Not really having much luck with it so I thought I'd throw it out here.
Most recently I saw a video of an actor (I think it was Alyssa Milano) defending public breastfeeding to a talk show host, also a mother, who found it disgusting. Milano said that the problem was that people were sexualizing the breast.
I don't think this can be it tho. Aside from those few people who object also to Victoria's Secret models and bikinis on the beach, most people have no problem with women's bodies being sexualized. Even men's bodies are becoming increasingly sexualized these days by the general public and no one except the usual prudes makes a fuss about it.
My suspicion is that the disgust is caused because breast-feeding desexualizes the breast, turning it from a fun toy for men and a trophy for women into a mere workaday tool and there goes all the excitement (unless one has a breast-feeding fetish, and I can't cover all the bases).
Anyway, that's my best guess so far.
I have no idea why it causes such a stir either. I have to say though I had nothing but positive experiences here in the UK when I breastfed Scamp. I fed her in all sorts of places until she got too nosey to feed in public (and if you've ever had a baby attached to your nipple who then sees something exciting and turns their head without stopping the suckling you'll know how painful that is!) and didn't have a negative comment said to me at all.
I also don't see what the big deal is, unless it's a child that should be fully weaned but isn't, lIke when mothers still suckle their 3 or 4 year old. Then it becomes weird. It's not my business, but it's weird nonetheless.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 21, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
I also don't see what the big deal is, unless it's a child that should be fully weaned but isn't, lIke when mothers still suckle their 3 or 4 year old. Then it becomes weird. It's not my business, but it's weird nonetheless.
Late breastfeeding is quite a strange thing. Personally I don't see how they keep doing it, they must have children with better concentration than mine! I kept going to 12-months which is a bit longer than some people but by about 9-months I was just expressing and giving her the milk in a cup.
I've worked security in a lot of public places here in Norway. I have seen many women breast-feed on park benches, in cafes, in libraries, etc. Never, however, seen for myself or heard from my colleagues of anyone who had a problem with it.
Maybe Norwegians just don't give as much of a shit about the boobies?
Quote from: Guardian85 on March 21, 2016, 04:10:32 PM
I've worked security in a lot of public places here in Norway. I have seen many women breast-feed on park benches, in cafes, in libraries, etc. Never, however, seen for myself or heard from my colleagues of anyone who had a problem with it.
Maybe Norwegians just don't give as much of a shit about the boobies?
The same here in Germany and in the Netherlands.
It's mostly here in "Murica where I think folks have a problem with it. (I'm sure in some countries in outlawed, and even punishable by stoning, but you would expect people to think differently in a so-called advance society)
I saw that interview you're speaking of and was kind of shocked that another woman would protest against a mother feeding her child.
And I agree with your assessment Books as I think it has more to do with the desexualizing of the breast which causes the most discomfort for those opposed by it.
Some of the reaction by folks I've seen on YouTube or news reports almost make it seem like they find it dirty, or disgusting, it boggles the mind really.
Here is a "What Would You Do" Episode on this very thing. According to this 57 percent of Americans disapprove of public breastfeeding, although it's a least 6 years old.
I bet Trump disapproves of it, along with most conservatives, but I was surprised Bill Maher disapproves? (He can be such a prick sometimes)
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
I also believe there's a good deal of dehumanizing the sexualized women happening. Obviously they're showing their tits, they're filthy whores who aren't smart enough to get a real job (but we deserve to keep seeing more of them anyway, after all she's asking for it). Respectable women should keep covered (those boobs belong to her husband).
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on March 21, 2016, 04:47:17 PM
And I agree with your assessment Books as I think it has more to do with the desexualizing of the breast which causes the most discomfort for those opposed by it.
I think this is it too. Also just general American prudishness. I remember being stunned (and thrilled) when I went to Greece as an 11-year-old and seeing postcards with boobs(!) on display and the women sunbathing topless. You'd never see anything like that so publicly here, too many people would freak out and worry "about the children". Europe's much more civilized and mature in that way.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on March 21, 2016, 04:47:17 PM
I bet Trump disapproves of it, along with most conservatives, but I was surprised Bill Maher disapproves? (He can be such a prick sometimes)
Bill Maher has a well documented dislike of children, breast-feeding or otherwise. ;)
I wonder if there is an element of 'I wouldn't do that so why should you!' in this? The TV host had been so indoctrinated to find any aspect of her own feminine physiology abhorrent that she displaced and transferred those feelings onto others? Along the lines of 'I would feel disgusted so you should too.'
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
I'm not sure whether these two videos are staged or not -- cannot wrap my mind around anyone telling a stranger "that's disgusting" for breast-feeding -- but I thought they were interesting. Part 2, breast-feeding vs. sexy, comes before part 1, just plain breast-feeding in public:
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
Yes, but those are man nipples, which are different because reasons.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Yes, but those are man nipples, which are different because reasons.
Oh, well Ok then.
Quote from: Tank on March 21, 2016, 07:57:07 PM
I wonder if there is an element of 'I wouldn't do that so why should you!' in this? The TV host had been so indoctrinated to find any aspect of her own feminine physiology abhorrent that she displaced and transferred those feelings onto others? Along the lines of 'I would feel disgusted so you should too.'
Sort of "I drank the kool-aide like I was told to, how dare you make me feel like a fool by not doing it"?
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:49:28 PM
I'm not sure whether these two videos are staged or not -- cannot wrap my mind around anyone telling a stranger "that's disgusting" for breast-feeding -- but I thought they were interesting.
It looks very staged to me. I think the major clue is that everybody who "had a problem with it" used the exact same words. Not to mention the porn level acting....
And JoeySalads has a reputation for staging videos to garner attention.
Quote from: Guardian85 on March 21, 2016, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:49:28 PM
I'm not sure whether these two videos are staged or not -- cannot wrap my mind around anyone telling a stranger "that's disgusting" for breast-feeding -- but I thought they were interesting.
It looks very staged to me. I think the major clue is that everybody who "had a problem with it" used the exact same words. Not to mention the porn level acting....
And JoeySalads has a reputation for staging videos to garner attention.
I'm not surprised, still it's a good point -- if the sexy isn't offensive why is the nourishing?
I haven't ever heard anyone in real life say it was disgusting though have heard the arguments about it many times.
Boobs are boobs some are attractive some aren't, a baby sucking on one is normal, a grown adult sucking on one is a bit fucking weird. Drinking milk from a cow, sheep, goat is even weirder especially coming from people that think a baby feeding on their mothers milk is "disgusting".
I have been in situations where it has been super awkward. You will be generally looking in a direction say at the specials board on the wall at the other side of the restaurant, a menu of a coffee shop or just thinking and not really looking and you notice a woman is giving you the evil eye so your like "fuck you I'm not looking at you", then a babies head pops up. Then once you know they are breast feeding and feel awkward for the moment prior by trying not to look you end up looking more making it super awkward. I think that is a possible reason in that they don't want to feel awkward or embarrassed.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
Yes, but those are man nipples, which are different because reasons.
They are about as useful as tits on a boar.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 21, 2016, 11:54:12 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
Yes, but those are man nipples, which are different because reasons.
They are about as useful as tits on a boar.
I would go so far as to say they are exactly as useful as tits on a boar.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 22, 2016, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 21, 2016, 11:54:12 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
Yes, but those are man nipples, which are different because reasons.
They are about as useful as tits on a boar.
I would go so far as to say they are exactly as useful as tits on a boar.
I'll have you know that boars find their tits extremely useful, in fact I know many a boar who would have nothing at all to do if it wasn't for their tits.
It's no big deal for me. Like everything else, the more we see of it, the more normal it will become.
It's a matter of desensitization.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 21, 2016, 07:57:07 PM
I wonder if there is an element of 'I wouldn't do that so why should you!' in this? The TV host had been so indoctrinated to find any aspect of her own feminine physiology abhorrent that she displaced and transferred those feelings onto others? Along the lines of 'I would feel disgusted so you should too.'
Sort of "I drank the kool-aide like I was told to, how dare you make me feel like a fool by not doing it"?
That's a very good way of putting it.
When I was younger I attended hippie events where nude people where common and ordinary. A week in the wilderness with naked people of all ages and body types in a social context that is not sexualized does change the way you think about sexuality. When the body becomes a normal sight and you mingle in a mud bath with super-model types and those with sagging breasts and scrotums dangling to their knees much of the shock value of nudity disappears. Sexuality becomes a little more complex than what is offered by peep shows and porn. Perhaps that is why society finds desexualizing the breast so repugnant. How are we going to conduct ourselves when flashing titties is no longer an obvious signal for sexual readiness ? We may have to start thinking with the brain between our ears.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM
You see, it's not boobs that are disgusting dirty filth, it's nipples. And models don't have nipples. (https://www.victoriassecret.com/lingerie/shop-all-lingerie-mobile/chantilly-lace-strappy-slip-very-sexy?ProductID=287758&CatalogueType=OLS)
But on the other hand, men flash their nipples all the time and only Putin gets called on it.
I am personally and vicariously disgusted on behalf of my assigned gender by this blatant gender stereotyping.
Slow reveal, it's all very artful, my nipple comes to view seemingly naturally, visits for a while, no flash involved.
Those opposed to breast feeding should explain their aversion a bit better. It's always so hilarious when the poor beleaguered bastards try to explain the sense of their world view.
People are stupid. That is the problem.
100% on topic.
https://www.facebook.com/eelocke/posts/10208571575425534
To be honest most of the time you don't even see anything anyway....
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Most mothers who breastfeed usually just look like they're cradling their babies. I bet there are more people doing it in public spaces than you actually notice.
I was thinking about this during the day, I said yesterday I didn't get any negativity and that is true when I was out and about. However, I made the mistake when pregnant of joining a parenting forum. Breastfeeding is one of the most decisive topics, probably only close to 'natural births' in terms of it's ability to cause grown women to argue. I did get a lot of negativity from certain people on there, interestingly usually the people who were really against breastfeeding where the people who for whatever reason couldn't do it themselves.
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 08:28:37 PM
I did get a lot of negativity from certain people on there, interestingly usually the people who were really against breastfeeding where the people who for whatever reason couldn't do it themselves.
This whole phenomenon fascinates and repulsed me... I think somehow "breast feeding is best because all these reasons we have evidence for" became "YOUR CHILD WILL LIVE A PAINFUL TORTURED LIFE OF SLOW DISEASE AND MENTAL DEFICIENCIES IF YOU DONT BREASTFEED YOU MONSTER!!!!" Which has received understandable push-back.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 22, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 08:28:37 PM
I did get a lot of negativity from certain people on there, interestingly usually the people who were really against breastfeeding where the people who for whatever reason couldn't do it themselves.
This whole phenomenon fascinates and repulsed me... I think somehow "breast feeding is best because all these reasons we have evidence for" became "YOUR CHILD WILL LIVE A PAINFUL TORTURED LIFE OF SLOW DISEASE AND MENTAL DEFICIENCIES IF YOU DONT BREASTFEED YOU MONSTER!!!!" Which has received understandable push-back.
Yep, some people are truly terrifying with their opinions on motherhood ideals. I'll be honest, the reason I breastfed was pure laziness, the thought of dealing with bottles in the middle of the night when could whip out a boob was enough for me. The other big factor was cost, bottles and formula are bloody expensive.
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 22, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 08:28:37 PM
I did get a lot of negativity from certain people on there, interestingly usually the people who were really against breastfeeding where the people who for whatever reason couldn't do it themselves.
This whole phenomenon fascinates and repulsed me... I think somehow "breast feeding is best because all these reasons we have evidence for" became "YOUR CHILD WILL LIVE A PAINFUL TORTURED LIFE OF SLOW DISEASE AND MENTAL DEFICIENCIES IF YOU DONT BREASTFEED YOU MONSTER!!!!" Which has received understandable push-back.
Yep, some people are truly terrifying with their opinions on motherhood ideals. I'll be honest, the reason I breastfed was pure laziness, the thought of dealing with bottles in the middle of the night when could whip out a boob was enough for me. The other big factor was cost, bottles and formula are bloody expensive.
People were against breastfeeding in general? Why would that be the case? I'm genuinely curious.
Quote from: Tank on March 22, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
100% on topic.
https://www.facebook.com/eelocke/posts/10208571575425534
Absolutely floored by the "we're trying to protect the children" comment. They were trying to protect children from watching another child being fed? And since when have kids ever cared one way or the other about nudity? You don't keep an eye on them, they'll be running down the street naked. It's adults who have the problem with it.
Quote from: Firebird on March 22, 2016, 10:57:06 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 22, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 22, 2016, 08:28:37 PM
I did get a lot of negativity from certain people on there, interestingly usually the people who were really against breastfeeding where the people who for whatever reason couldn't do it themselves.
This whole phenomenon fascinates and repulsed me... I think somehow "breast feeding is best because all these reasons we have evidence for" became "YOUR CHILD WILL LIVE A PAINFUL TORTURED LIFE OF SLOW DISEASE AND MENTAL DEFICIENCIES IF YOU DONT BREASTFEED YOU MONSTER!!!!" Which has received understandable push-back.
Yep, some people are truly terrifying with their opinions on motherhood ideals. I'll be honest, the reason I breastfed was pure laziness, the thought of dealing with bottles in the middle of the night when could whip out a boob was enough for me. The other big factor was cost, bottles and formula are bloody expensive.
People were against breastfeeding in general? Why would that be the case? I'm genuinely curious.
Because they see it as something they get pressurised into. The health professionals here are very pro breastfeeding for all the health benefits so push it a lot. It is difficult to begin with, although a natural process it is something you have to learn and the first days/weeks in particular are hell. There's the physical pain, sore nipples, engorged breasts etc but then there's mental exhaustion too. Some babies when they're newborn can feed for hours at a time initially or every couple of hours all times of day. So some people I know in particular those who also had PND decided that the overall benefit of a happy less exhausted mum far outweighed the health benefits. But then like PC said above they face pressure to keep going from the breastfeeding online gestapo......just peruse any baby forum you'll spot them!
So much about what is "best" is dependent on so many factors. And it confuses me when people take "best option" to mean "DO THIS OR ELSE." Someone who faces incredible stress and difficulty breastfeeding is probably making a better choice by using formula, and ironically the rabid attitudes of the pro-breastfeeding crowd are likely making it even more difficult for that mother to relax about the whole thing and figure it out.
I was both breastfed and formula fed, as were my siblings. We're all doing ok.
The entire issue of breasts being shown blows my mind, honestly. I don't get why it's a problem. I would kill to be able to mow the lawn in August without sweating into a goddamn sports bra. If someone finds that sexy, that's their problem.
I don't think breastfeeding is disgusting, people who find it disgusting just have issues that they need to work out. :shrug:
I agree with you, Claire, breastfeeding is difficult. I also went through the the pain of the let-down reflex, sore nipples, engorged breasts, mental exhaustion, etc. You said the reason you breastfed was pure laziness, well, the reason I breastfed was pure vanity. I lost the weight that I gained during the pregnancy and then some, very fast.
I never encountered a 'Breastfeeding Nazi' who made me feel as if my child would suffer if I didn't, and never had any problems in public places. It's also true that a lot of people can't even tell you're feeding the baby. Some women prefer to show the whole breast, others cover up completely, it's up to the individual. I don't know if one style bothers some people more than the other.
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It's OK if a woman doesn't want to breastfeed, and they don't have give anyone reasons why either.:nu-uh: Here are some reasons I've heard:
"Some women have huge boobs so they can breastfeed, I have small breasts, so there's not much milk in there."
"I couldn't breastfeed my baby because my milk 'dried up' right away."
"The baby didn't like my milk."
"I don't want everyone to see my boobs."
"My husband doesn't want everyone looking at my boobs."
Anyways...
Oh! Should we talk about how women are criticized for getting c-sections!? :grrr:
(https://temptressmama.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/anti-csection-meme.jpg)
What about breast pumps. Women don't always have to have their tit available at all times and if they have a problem with feeding in public just slap that milk in a bottle.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 05:58:35 AM
Oh! Should we talk about how women are criticized for getting c-sections!? :grrr:
(https://temptressmama.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/anti-csection-meme.jpg)
Is that really a cross in the logo that I'm seeing? ::)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 23, 2016, 10:35:43 AMIs that really a cross in the logo that I'm seeing? ::)
Yes, it's the logo of the "Disciples of the New Dawn." Though there is some doubt (http://www.enkivillage.com/disciples-of-the-new-dawn.html), it seems rather likely to me that it's a Poe/parody.
^^
I don't know how real the "Disciples of the New Dawn" are, but the C-Section haters are very real. I don't think I'll ever understand the logic behind their hate. :sadshake:
Quote from: Crow on March 23, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
What about breast pumps. Women don't always have to have their tit available at all times and if they have a problem with feeding in public just slap that milk in a bottle.
That's true.
A lot of women want nothing to do with breastfeeding or breast pumps because they believe in the "breastfeeding causes your breasts to become droopy" myth.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Crow on March 23, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
What about breast pumps. Women don't always have to have their tit available at all times and if they have a problem with feeding in public just slap that milk in a bottle.
That's true.
A lot of women want nothing to do with breastfeeding or breast pumps because they believe in the "breastfeeding causes your breasts to become droopy" myth.
I'm sure it would be easy to force some women to be part of a human milk farm. If we raise them from birth for it then it won't make any difference as they wont know any better and then babies have a reduced risk of diabetes and some women will have continually plump breasts. Don't know what you would do with the excess babies though, perhaps leather and animal feed or a premium product for the rich perhaps.
On a serious note. I wouldn't be surprised if droopy boobies came from the rapid growth then loss of mass that comes with having a baby rather than the action of breast feeding itself. Some women get saggy stomach skin after giving birth others go back to being tight and firm I assume it would be the same thing.
Quote from: Crow on March 23, 2016, 03:39:05 PM
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I'm sure it would be easy to force some women to be part of a human milk farm. If we raise them from birth for it then it won't make any difference as they wont know any better and then babies have a reduced risk of diabetes and some women will have continually plump breasts. Don't know what you would do with the excess babies though, perhaps leather and animal feed or a premium product for the rich perhaps.
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:picard facepalm:
Ay dios mio!
Quote from: Recusant on March 23, 2016, 12:07:34 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 23, 2016, 10:35:43 AMIs that really a cross in the logo that I'm seeing? ::)
Yes, it's the logo of the "Disciples of the New Dawn." Though there is some doubt (http://www.enkivillage.com/disciples-of-the-new-dawn.html), it seems rather likely to me that it's a Poe/parody.
I'm not sure :-\
I've never encountered a C-section hater before, but the thing with Poes is that they have counterparts that really do believe their nonsense. So even if it is a parody, it doesn't make it any better.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
^^
I don't know how real the "Disciples of the New Dawn" are, but the C-Section haters are very real. I don't think I'll ever understand the logic behind their hate. :sadshake:
If I may take a guess, they have sadistic tendencies.
My mother had 4 c-sections. I'm the eldest and the plan was for me to be born naturally but I was sitting in the womb so there wasn't anything else to do really. She had to be put under general anesthesia because she felt the cut - so there was plenty of pain there!
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 23, 2016, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
^^
I don't know how real the "Disciples of the New Dawn" are, but the C-Section haters are very real. I don't think I'll ever understand the logic behind their hate. :sadshake:
If I may take a guess, they have sadistic tendencies.
My mother had 4 c-sections. I'm the eldest and the plan was for me to be born naturally but I was sitting in the womb so there wasn't anything else to do really. She had to be put under general anesthesia because she felt the cut - so there was plenty of pain there!
I think it is a sadistic tendency. Many believe that as a direct result of the original sin, god made childbearing pain very severe. You are supposed to go through a lot of pain, if you don't, you're going against god's orders. Others think you couldn't handle the "pain" or contractions, and that you begged the doctor to do a C-section. The doctor, of course said, OK. ::) :sad sigh: Ignorant people.
I've had 3 C-sections, they are painful, so I don't know why some people think I 'got a lucky break.' If it's about comparing pain, I think I went through more pain than a woman who gives birth through the vagina. I arrived at the hospital and my cervix was 4 cm. After many hours, it was still 4 cm. They gave me Pitocin, this is a synthetic drug used to bringing about labor. I also had a amniotomy, this is a procedure done to artificially rupture the membranes or "break the water." I was in labor for 17 hours, contractions every 5 minutes and the cervix was still 4 cm. It never crossed my mind that I would have a C-section, I thought labor was supposed to be like that. Maybe it is, but it's because the cervix is opening, mine wasn't opening at all. The doctor said there was fetal distress and had to perform a C-section. So in the end, it wasn't even about all the pain I was in, it was about the baby having problems.
Some people even complain about women who had a vaginal birth with an epidural anesthetic. This is used in childbirth to produce loss of sensation below the waist. Again, they say, "That's not fair, they didn't have any pain, childbirth is
supposed to hurt!"
::)
Anyways...
Let's go back to talking about breastfeeding, boobs, and
Crow's human milk farm. :smilenod:
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
Let's go back to talking about breastfeeding, boobs, and Crow's human milk farm. :smilenod:
Maybe not poor they get fucked over far too much and they are really the target audience after all you need the masses to buy the product otherwise it is pointless. We will use the rich instead as the don't contribute anything apart from some of them being our entertainers and prostitutes. The western world is cool with this form of production line we do it on mass so may as well get the unproductive being productive for us, the farmers wont have to deal with them for long as they they probably will only have four cycles in them then it is off too the abattoir. However they won't be ready until they are at least eleven so that is a bit of a problem. There is always selective breeding we can bring that age down by few years in only a few generations.
I thought this idea only crossed
your mind, but I guess it's everywhere!
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I thought this idea only crossed your mind, but I guess it's everywhere!
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Oh but I don't think their reason is as rapid as mine. It is to prevent breasticles.
Quote from: Crow on March 24, 2016, 12:20:00 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 23, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
I thought this idea only crossed your mind, but I guess it's everywhere!
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Oh but I don't think their reason is as rapid as mine. It is to prevent breasticles.
Crow, what the hell is breasticle prevention?
Quote from: Magdalena on March 24, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
Crow, what the hell is breasticle prevention?
Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble too and fro? Can you toss them over your shoulder like a regimental solider? If the answer is yes to the three questions then you are suffering from breasticles, breasts that hang like testicles.
Quote from: Crow on March 24, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 24, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
Crow, what the hell is breasticle prevention?
Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble too and fro? Can you toss them over your shoulder like a regimental solider? If the answer is yes to the three questions then you are suffering from breasticles, breasts that hang like testicles.
Cheeses, that's off putting, this isn't a bloody National Geographic documentary.
Sports bras and briefs for both of you and no more of this wobbling too and fro! >:(
Quote from: Bad Penny on March 24, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Crow on March 24, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 24, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
Crow, what the hell is breasticle prevention?
Do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble too and fro? Can you toss them over your shoulder like a regimental solider? If the answer is yes to the three questions then you are suffering from breasticles, breasts that hang like testicles.
Cheeses, that's off putting, this isn't a bloody National Geographic documentary.
Sports bras and briefs for both of you and no more of this wobbling too and fro! >:(
I thought this woman's response to such a ridiculous request was awesome.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQ9GDg8t.jpg&hash=6b0856b2c02ab83c6ae9c92fc7eb72bcb7165b9f)
When I worked at Disney World, I would see women breast feeding sometimes. The line was horrid. Men just waiting for hours in the heat.
;)
-Nam
It ia very popular in England as well
From my point of view, I think it's fine to feed your baby whenever required, my wife breastfed all our 4 kids and as far as I know she never encountered any objections.
The only problem I have with breastfeeding is the fact that our kids got so used to the breast, I was of little use to them when she was not around, they would not take milk from a bottle, so while the kids were really young and still feeding my wife seemed to always have the boobies out, and was just like a milk machine for months. :D
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/944926_715525728550730_5749748204615886801_n.jpg?oh=b8d5160ac4ca161f8957d04cd4336ea2&oe=57B677C0&__gda__=1467927557_0bb14b23900096495e8597e388aa5f39)