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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »
Whatever makes you pieces of human garbage sleep better at night.  :( :(

Pieces of human garbage?  Meant to be thrown away?   :-\ 

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2012, 12:44:19 PM »
^ it's probably not too keen on you, either.  ;)

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2012, 12:45:25 PM »
^ it's probably not too keen on you, either.  ;)


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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2012, 12:56:34 PM »
^ it's probably not too keen on you, either.  ;)


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Oh, for all you know, the pope has some seriously un-godly mags under his bed  ;D

...Probably full of choir boys, but still...  ???
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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2012, 10:25:45 PM »
^ it's probably not too keen on you, either.  ;)


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Oh, for all you know, the pope has some seriously un-godly mags under his bed  ;D

...Probably full of choir boys, but still...  ???

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 01:41:03 AM »
Can't you just see it - rank after rank of juicy choirboys in very tight leather shorts, goose-stepping past the Vatican balcony.

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 06:19:05 AM »
Can't you just see it - rank after rank of juicy choirboys in very tight leather shorts, goose-stepping past the Vatican balcony.
I probably thank you for putting that insight in to Vatican porn in to my virgin sailor's mind.
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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 10:23:29 AM »
Really, the original quote from the priest ought to finish with this, "And so therefore, in conclusion, the Catholic and Protestant churches, as a whole, ought to be abolished for all their violent agenda."

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 05:47:55 PM »
Really, the original quote from the priest ought to finish with this, "And so therefore, in conclusion, the Catholic and Protestant churches, as a whole, ought to be abolished for all their violent agenda."

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2012, 08:38:24 AM »
I am a bit embarrassed by the church's response. I would have expected more logic from the tongue of a learned man. As was par for the course in those days, everything was less pleasant. The biggest current obstacle is the claim of infallibility.

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2012, 08:22:33 PM »
I am a bit embarrassed by the church's response. I would have expected more logic from the tongue of a learned man. As was par for the course in those days, everything was less pleasant. The biggest current obstacle is the claim of infallibility.
With out the claim of infallibility the Catholic Church has nothing to prop up the authority of its institutions.
It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds which follows from the advance of science - Charles Darwin

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the object of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a god, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. - Albert Einstein

Religion is a by product of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity. - Arther C. Clarke

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2012, 08:21:28 AM »
I am a bit embarrassed by the church's response. I would have expected more logic from the tongue of a learned man. As was par for the course in those days, everything was less pleasant. The biggest current obstacle is the claim of infallibility.
With out the claim of infallibility the Catholic Church has nothing to prop up the authority of its institutions.

Claiming infallibility is too dangerous - can go horribly wrong. Like what happened when they were on a collision course with Galileo. They've become a bit smarter and as less quick to add their uninformed opinions in things they demonstrably know close to nothing about.

Scratch that, they haven't really learnt all that much since Galileo.
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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2012, 09:20:33 AM »
Since this oldish thread has popped back up, I wanted to ask if anyone had bothered to verify the OP's claim that it came from a catholic priest. Has anyone done that?

We like to think we are good at separating BS from legitimate stuff, but my quick search showed that it came, at least in part, from an anonymous person on a catholic web site: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-i-defend-the-church-against-the-inquisition

What worries me is that so many people have commented and then added to this as if it has been backed by the catholic church, the vatican, the pope, etc. without a single person bothering to do some fact-checking.

Again, my quick check shows the following, from a legitimate catholic site, and clearly states that the church does not condone the Inquisition's practices:

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0029.html

Playing devil's advocate here for the sake of reminding people that the road goes both ways when it comes to making claims and accusations. I'm not defending the catholic church, but making a point about our actions here when it comes to taking a questionable post and running with it without checking for accuracy first.


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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2012, 09:48:47 AM »
Since this oldish thread has popped back up, I wanted to ask if anyone had bothered to verify the OP's claim that it came from a catholic priest. Has anyone done that?

We like to think we are good at separating BS from legitimate stuff, but my quick search showed that it came, at least in part, from an anonymous person on a catholic web site: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-i-defend-the-church-against-the-inquisition

What worries me is that so many people have commented and then added to this as if it has been backed by the catholic church, the vatican, the pope, etc. without a single person bothering to do some fact-checking.

Again, my quick check shows the following, from a legitimate catholic site, and clearly states that the church does not condone the Inquisition's practices:

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0029.html

Playing devil's advocate here for the sake of reminding people that the road goes both ways when it comes to making claims and accusations. I'm not defending the catholic church, but making a point about our actions here when it comes to taking a questionable post and running with it without checking for accuracy first.



Your right the original post may play into our prejudices a little to well. I usually read the originating article and this time I did not notice the lack of a link in this case. Oops.
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I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the object of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a god, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. - Albert Einstein

Religion is a by product of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity. - Arther C. Clarke

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Re: Catholics say the Crusades and the Inquisition were a good thing
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 02:36:34 PM »
Since this oldish thread has popped back up, I wanted to ask if anyone had bothered to verify the OP's claim that it came from a catholic priest. Has anyone done that?

We like to think we are good at separating BS from legitimate stuff, but my quick search showed that it came, at least in part, from an anonymous person on a catholic web site: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-i-defend-the-church-against-the-inquisition

What worries me is that so many people have commented and then added to this as if it has been backed by the catholic church, the vatican, the pope, etc. without a single person bothering to do some fact-checking.

Again, my quick check shows the following, from a legitimate catholic site, and clearly states that the church does not condone the Inquisition's practices:

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0029.html

Playing devil's advocate here for the sake of reminding people that the road goes both ways when it comes to making claims and accusations. I'm not defending the catholic church, but making a point about our actions here when it comes to taking a questionable post and running with it without checking for accuracy first.




Thanks, you are absolutely right that we shouldn't have assumed.
Of course, the Vatican still sucks, but we shouldn't assume :)
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