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Started by Dave, January 30, 2017, 07:22:23 AM

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Davin

Quote from: Dave on April 17, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
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And add to that Trump is trying very hard to get his hands on the documents taken from his private lawyer . . .
That is some kind of desperate grasping. He was crying about AC privilege, then wanted him and his lawyers to look through all of Cohen's files, looking at other clients files breaching their AC privilege... so that Trump and his lawyers can tell them which files are OK to look at. So fucking stupid.

Quote from: Dave
Still, if the Kremlin is holding footage of Trump having a mutual golden shower session with a whore the impact of releasing them will be reduced. I can think of fewer pieces of "porn" more appalling than a leaking orange blubber bladder.
I think they have more than a pee tape, I think they have evidence for other things. Maybe the pee tape doesn't exist, but I don't see how Russia is the only country in the world that Trump is weak on, unless there is a lot more going on there.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Dave

Quote from: Davin on April 17, 2018, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 17, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
^

And add to that Trump is trying very hard to get his hands on the documents taken from his private lawyer . . .
That is some kind of desperate grasping. He was crying about AC privilege, then wanted him and his lawyers to look through all of Cohen's files, looking at other clients files breaching their AC privilege... so that Trump and his lawyers can tell them which files are OK to look at. So fucking stupid.

Quote from: Dave
Still, if the Kremlin is holding footage of Trump having a mutual golden shower session with a whore the impact of releasing them will be reduced. I can think of fewer pieces of "porn" more appalling than a leaking orange blubber bladder.
I think they have more than a pee tape, I think they have evidence for other things. Maybe the pee tape doesn't exist, but I don't see how Russia is the only country in the world that Trump is weak on, unless there is a lot more going on there.

Wonder just how much capital he has invested in Russia - that they might be liable to grab?

If the UK government grabbed Russian property in London property values there might collapse. Ah, but then the Saudi's, and maybe the Chinese, would cash in . . .
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Davin

Quote from: Dave on April 17, 2018, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Davin on April 17, 2018, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 17, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
^

And add to that Trump is trying very hard to get his hands on the documents taken from his private lawyer . . .
That is some kind of desperate grasping. He was crying about AC privilege, then wanted him and his lawyers to look through all of Cohen's files, looking at other clients files breaching their AC privilege... so that Trump and his lawyers can tell them which files are OK to look at. So fucking stupid.

Quote from: Dave
Still, if the Kremlin is holding footage of Trump having a mutual golden shower session with a whore the impact of releasing them will be reduced. I can think of fewer pieces of "porn" more appalling than a leaking orange blubber bladder.
I think they have more than a pee tape, I think they have evidence for other things. Maybe the pee tape doesn't exist, but I don't see how Russia is the only country in the world that Trump is weak on, unless there is a lot more going on there.

Wonder just how much capital he has invested in Russia - that they might be liable to grab?

If the UK government grabbed Russian property in London property values there might collapse. Ah, but then the Saudi's, and maybe the Chinese, would cash in . . .
I also wonder how much is in Cohen's files that Trump is worried about. And it was revealed that Sean Hannity is also a client of Cohen.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Arturo

So I heard something about a draft.

A draft because of President wanting to do something in Syria.

I don't know like a chemical attack or something?

And he wants to draft us?

For the chemical attack?

Even though recruiters can't find anyone to join anyways?

I don't know what did you guys hear?
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Davin

I didn't hear anything about a draft yet, I guess I'll keep a look out for it.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Recusant

Quote from: Arturo on April 26, 2018, 11:24:53 PM
So I heard something about a draft.

A draft because of President wanting to do something in Syria.

I don't know like a chemical attack or something?

And he wants to draft us?

For the chemical attack?

Even though recruiters can't find anyone to join anyways?

I don't know what did you guys hear?

This rumor originated on a site called "Real News Right Now." As Snopes points out, said site is a known distributor of false information. On the other hand, the deceptively named right-wing site "USMilitary[dot]com" claims that Snopes is a fake news site. Politifact also debunked this story but again, Politifact is regularly derided by right-wingers as having a left-wing bias, and therefore untrustworthy. ::)
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Davin

I guess I should have said I haven't heard anything reliable about the draft getting reinstated.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Icarus

Some jackass is trying to stir up panic among the snowflakes. 

Miserable old curmudgeon that I am, I would be pleased to have a draft for everyone who achieves the age of 20.....Something like the Swiss ?   Someone please explain to the snowflake types that "there ain't no free lunch". Explain that sometimes you will have your feelings hurt. Sometimes, no all the time... a little discipline, military or otherwise, is useful for ones realistic development as a responsible and useful human being.

Davin

Quote from: Icarus on April 28, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Some jackass is trying to stir up panic among the snowflakes. 

Miserable old curmudgeon that I am, I would be pleased to have a draft for everyone who achieves the age of 20.....Something like the Swiss ?   Someone please explain to the snowflake types that "there ain't no free lunch". Explain that sometimes you will have your feelings hurt. Sometimes, no all the time... a little discipline, military or otherwise, is useful for ones realistic development as a responsible and useful human being.
It looks like "snowflake" is the new straw man.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Arturo

Quote from: Davin on April 30, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Icarus on April 28, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Some jackass is trying to stir up panic among the snowflakes. 

Miserable old curmudgeon that I am, I would be pleased to have a draft for everyone who achieves the age of 20.....Something like the Swiss ?   Someone please explain to the snowflake types that "there ain't no free lunch". Explain that sometimes you will have your feelings hurt. Sometimes, no all the time... a little discipline, military or otherwise, is useful for ones realistic development as a responsible and useful human being.
It looks like "snowflake" is the new straw man.

I've been thinking about this awhile. The "straw man" fallacy. While I don't know if some people actually make up these arguments to fuck with people and win over friends or if they are just listening to one side of the story and just have their imagination filled with that garbage. The reason I've been thinking about it because it took me back to my communication class in college where there is the message that is given, and there is the message that is received.

A guy told me that my friend's mom was "probably getting deported or incarcerated" so I asked him how does he know that my friend's mom is an immigrant? And he replied by saying that he never said she was an immigrant, I just assume what people say and that it's typical of the left if I remember correctly. Oh and that I took it personally. Well apparently all he wanted to say was that, deportation is a "new" way that they are handling things in the states lately. And it was all a huge argument. Anyways I ended it when he started to call me delusional and that I was digging a whole for myself so I ask him if he could read minds or was he a doctor or maybe a magician. He walked away after that saying he made his point.

But that all goes back to saying that there is the message that is being given, and the message being received. They are not always the same and when they aren't it can lead to arguments. But when they are, it can be a pleasant experience.
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Davin

Quote from: Arturo on April 30, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Davin on April 30, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Icarus on April 28, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Some jackass is trying to stir up panic among the snowflakes. 

Miserable old curmudgeon that I am, I would be pleased to have a draft for everyone who achieves the age of 20.....Something like the Swiss ?   Someone please explain to the snowflake types that "there ain't no free lunch". Explain that sometimes you will have your feelings hurt. Sometimes, no all the time... a little discipline, military or otherwise, is useful for ones realistic development as a responsible and useful human being.
It looks like "snowflake" is the new straw man.

I've been thinking about this awhile. The "straw man" fallacy. While I don't know if some people actually make up these arguments to fuck with people and win over friends or if they are just listening to one side of the story and just have their imagination filled with that garbage. The reason I've been thinking about it because it took me back to my communication class in college where there is the message that is given, and there is the message that is received.

[...]

But that all goes back to saying that there is the message that is being given, and the message being received. They are not always the same and when they aren't it can lead to arguments. But when they are, it can be a pleasant experience.
It is true that what is given does not always match what is being received, but using the generosity principle when evaluating opposing views, you will find that misrepresenting an opponents points happens less often and gets closer more often to the actual point being made.

In this case, with Icarus' use of "snowflake," it appears as an ad hominem to address straw man arguments. Not only is the argument presented by these fictional "snowflakes" not an argument submitted by them, but the idea that are no free lunches is easy to disprove. Look at the US president, he has gotten a lot of free lunches.

Anyways, discipline is more effective when driven from within than without, and that doesn't require the military techniques to tear a person down and essentially make killing machines out of them. I've known many people who had gone through it and years after, they are just as varied in their discipline as everyone else I know who hadn't.

One common thing I've seen from people talking about disciplining others, is that they don't so much want disciplined people as they want conformed people.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Arturo

Quote from: Davin on April 30, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: Arturo on April 30, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Davin on April 30, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Icarus on April 28, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Some jackass is trying to stir up panic among the snowflakes. 

Miserable old curmudgeon that I am, I would be pleased to have a draft for everyone who achieves the age of 20.....Something like the Swiss ?   Someone please explain to the snowflake types that "there ain't no free lunch". Explain that sometimes you will have your feelings hurt. Sometimes, no all the time... a little discipline, military or otherwise, is useful for ones realistic development as a responsible and useful human being.
It looks like "snowflake" is the new straw man.

I've been thinking about this awhile. The "straw man" fallacy. While I don't know if some people actually make up these arguments to fuck with people and win over friends or if they are just listening to one side of the story and just have their imagination filled with that garbage. The reason I've been thinking about it because it took me back to my communication class in college where there is the message that is given, and there is the message that is received.

[...]

But that all goes back to saying that there is the message that is being given, and the message being received. They are not always the same and when they aren't it can lead to arguments. But when they are, it can be a pleasant experience.
It is true that what is given does not always match what is being received, but using the generosity principle when evaluating opposing views, you will find that misrepresenting an opponents points happens less often and gets closer more often to the actual point being made.

In this case, with Icarus' use of "snowflake," it appears as an ad hominem to address straw man arguments. Not only is the argument presented by these fictional "snowflakes" not an argument submitted by them, but the idea that are no free lunches is easy to disprove. Look at the US president, he has gotten a lot of free lunches.

Anyways, discipline is more effective when driven from within than without, and that doesn't require the military techniques to tear a person down and essentially make killing machines out of them. I've known many people who had gone through it and years after, they are just as varied in their discipline as everyone else I know who hadn't.

One common thing I've seen from people talking about disciplining others, is that they don't so much want disciplined people as they want conformed people.

That last bit yeah I can see that a lot. It's probably why I am such a rebel and make those people feel bad. They don't want outside opinions. They want to sit in their box and live in their fantasy land I guess of predictability. But my getting angry at that makes me just as bad as them. Trying to make them "think outside the box" is just as conforming.

Let people be people.

But still they are right in a way as we do live in a collective society. We all have to agree on what we want. It makes us more powerful that way. So I find that ironic that these "right-wingers" say that we are communists or socialists or things of that nature...that everyone is in a box. All-or-nothing or black-and-white as a psychologist might put it. But I find it ironic because that is exactly what communism is. Or at least purported to be. That everyone is just what it is and nothing can be done about it. There is no individuality. Nobody has ever had a unique thought in their life and life is predictable.

While I see that can be nice for some. I just don't think it's realistic to be that way all the time. Sometimes you need new things to happen. That's why evolution occurs. The mighty eat the weak because they evolved beyond them from being exposed to new things. And then those that were eaten change and adapt and if they suit their environment better, that's evolution. That's life.
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Dave

#447
QuoteDonald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein

Donald Trump's former doctor has said he did not write a 2015 letter declaring the then-Republican presidential candidate's "astonishingly excellent" health, US media report.

"[Trump] dictated that whole letter," Harold Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday.

[. . .]

The New York City-based physician said he was visited by one of Mr Trump's personal bodyguards and two other men at his office on 3 February 2017.

"They must have been here for 25 or 30 minutes, it created a lot of chaos," Mr Bornstein told NBC News, adding that the incident made him feel "raped, frightened and sad".

He said the original and only copy of Mr Trump's medical charts, including lab reports, were taken by his aides.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

Now. are "personal bodyguards" those in his official security team or privately employed? Be interesting to know if gathering such reports is really a standard practice for incoming predidents. The official physician's, "I have no concerns about his cognitive ability or neurological functions." is a very qualified statement if that is as far as it went. But then, perhaps he was not qualified to comment on Trump's psychological climate.

But, if Dr Bornstein is telling the truth the smell of fish just gets stronger. Can one beleive anything Trump says?

Later: here is the link to the CNN item, with video, that answers my question about the bodyguard - it was his private bodyguard and company lawyer that removed the records. Sounds like a nice earner for the lawyers to sort this out if it comes to court. Which it will almist certainly not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doc-says-trump-bodyguard-lawyer-raided-his-office-took-n870351

The Trump Shite Hiuse has yet to comment on the allegation about the letter itself. Probably still working out how to spin it.

An American once commented that the word "politics" was often used perjoratively because it had underlying criminal connotations in many people's minds.
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Davin

Well, that doesn't seem right, the report was so well written and medical sounding.

Now where is that sarcastic emoji?
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Dave

And another one bites the dust . . .

QuoteTy Cobb exits Trump's legal team


Ty Cobb, President Donald Trump's top White House lawyer responding to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, is out, according to the New York Times's Matt Apuzzo and Michael Schmidt. He will likely be replaced by Emmet Flood, who worked for President Bill Clinton during his impeachment battle, though the Times report cautions that Flood's hiring hasn't yet been finalized.

The news is yet another tumultuous development for Trump's legal team, just as it has been in the midst of negotiations with Mueller about a sit-down interview with the president. John Dowd, who was Trump's top personal lawyer for the probe, resigned from the team in March, and Rudy Giuliani, Jane Raskin, and Martin Raskin joined the team in April.

It also comes after Trump has escalated his rhetoric criticizing Mueller and his probe — something Cobb pointedly resisted doing during his tenure, instead advising a strategy of cooperation and openness.

Trump insisted on Twitter in early March that he was "VERY happy with my lawyers" and had no plans to shake up the team. Since then, both Dowd and Cobb have exited, leaving only Jay Sekulow from that previous team.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/2/17156224/ty-cobb-resigns-trump-mueller

Interesring that Trump may be hiring a lawyer experienced in fighting impeachment . . .
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
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