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Words, Words And More Words!
« on: January 03, 2017, 06:16:33 PM »
Youth literature.

Is that how it's commonly used to describe books for children and adolescents? In Portuguese we have literatura infantojuvenil and I can't find a more adequate-sounding way of putting it. :chin: Is it common?
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Re: Words, Words And More Words!
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 08:24:30 PM »
Here in the US we would normally say either Children's Literature or Yong Adult or Juvenile Literature.
Here's a list:
The categories with an age range are listed below:

Picture books, appropriate for pre-readers or children ages 0–5.

Early reader books, appropriate for childrenages 5–7. These books are often designed to help a child build his or her reading skills.

Chapter books, appropriate for children ages 7–12.
Short chapter books, appropriate for children ages 7–9.Longer chapter books, appropriate for children ages 9–12.

Young adult fiction, appropriate for children ages 12–18.
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Re: Words, Words And More Words!
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 06:55:19 AM »
Thanks, Bruno! So there's no one word to encompass the whole lot? :chin:
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 08:08:46 AM »
Not that I'm aware of xSP.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 10:23:39 AM »
Similar pattern in the UK. "Young adult" is commonly used but others not so much. "Picture books" is used for toddlers and "Childrens' Literature" for those up to 12. Trouble is the change in kids' cognition in that age range seems to rise exponentially in my experience - a nephew went from Noddy to philosophy (in the original French) in six years!

Hope this adds something: https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2014/jul/31/ya-books-reads-young-adult-teen-new-adult-books
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 10:04:35 AM »
Thanks, Gloucester!
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Re: Words, Words And More Words!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 04:59:25 AM »
I run into this problem many times so I thought I'd ask, does this passive voice form look weird or ugly in English? It does to me.  :-\

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Blah, blah, blah, it is speculated that this action is triggered by the stimulation of endothelial β3 receptors...

In Portuguese this form is really common, "especula-se" translates to "it is speculated", but in English it seems to give off an almost childish vibe, and I don't encounter this form too often in research papers written by native speakers. 

Maybe it's just because I have a thing against passive voice in general.  ::) I would rewrite this sentence to remove the "it is". 

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 06:24:10 AM »
I would use that form happily if I were talking in general terms of a concensus of opinion.

"It has been speculated..." implies a specific person or group, thst would need a less passive voice. "Joe Bloggs  speculates..." or "The Cambridge group ...." would be far better.

Hmmm, "A consensus of opinion speculates..." ?
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 06:44:39 AM »
"Blah, blah, blah, it is speculated"
Looks and feels fine to me.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 06:48:57 AM »
Ok.  :thumbsup:

The original doesn't imply there's a specific person group, just that there is speculation surrounding a particular idea.

I just keep remembering the Dothraki in Game of Thrones with their "it is known" line. ::) I don't like it.   
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 06:54:18 AM »
I would use that form happily if I were talking in general terms of a concensus of opinion.

"It has been speculated..."

That gives me the creeping gripes.

There's been speculation.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2017, 06:54:57 AM »
Ok.  :thumbsup:

The original doesn't imply there's a specific person group, just that there is speculation surrounding a particular idea.

I just keep remembering the Dothraki in Game of Thrones with their "it is known" line. ::) I don't like it.   

"It is known..."

"By whom?"

"Those in the know you dumb twit!"
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2017, 07:11:35 AM »
Ok.  :thumbsup:

The original doesn't imply there's a specific person group, just that there is speculation surrounding a particular idea.

I just keep remembering the Dothraki in Game of Thrones with their "it is known" line. ::) I don't like it.   

I love the "it is known" line, I use it often, sweet irony.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2017, 07:30:35 AM »
Ok.  :thumbsup:

The original doesn't imply there's a specific person group, just that there is speculation surrounding a particular idea.

I just keep remembering the Dothraki in Game of Thrones with their "it is known" line. ::) I don't like it.   

I love the "it is known" line, I use it often, sweet irony.

Heheh. You must like it because...because you're upside down all the time. Being in that position can cause people to do and say funny things. :smug:
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2017, 08:28:38 AM »
you're upside down all the time. Being in that position can cause people to do and say funny things.

It is known.
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