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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2017, 01:19:49 PM »
I have some friends who annoyingly believe the 1% want to replace the other 99% of the world's population with robots because money. The 1% want to replace all manual labour jobs with robots to save money and kill off everyone who is unemployed and continue this trend with other jobs. Nobody will buy a robot to lay bricks I told them because they have to consider a lot of unknowns like how much it will cost to maintain and repair the robot and even finding someone to do that will be a challenge because everyday people don't know how to fix robots. But they insist that robots will take over just because there is one or two of them somewhere in the country.

I should mention that they have anxiety disorders and perceive everything as a threat.
Some processes can be automated or refined or future automation - others can not. At last, not yet. The company I work for would buy a brick-laying robot in a heartbeat, but a 2016 model would not be very autonomous.

Robots are already heavily involvd in the repetitive crap jobs like packing goods, they are well on their way to becoming primary vehicle operators (Not just those silly Über-cars, but trains, ships and aircraft as well) and they are valuable in a whole mess of situations.

Me, I am certainly with those who look forward to a world where robots do a lot more, but I don't care to exterminate brick-layers or hot dog salesmen. I don't care to feed them for free either, but maybe some re-education...

I.o.w; I, the employer, don't want to physically replace you with a robot. However, if said robot is more productive than you are, I will hire it and let you find something else to do. Where does the need for killing the unemployed come from, I wonder..?

Because the 1% have all the money and the 1% like pain and suffering.
But, uh...well there it is.

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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2017, 09:59:12 PM »
You may be kidding, but it does seem that wealthy people tend to be less empathetic, feel more entitled, and are more likely to engage in unethical behavior than those who aren't wealthy.
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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2017, 11:14:57 PM »
Of course, they are above all that common stuff! Swim or be pushed under.

What gets me is what do you do with all those billions? How much more luxury can a family, let alone a single person, consume?

Hurrah for the Gates and others who make their money achieve things that are not purely selfish.
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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2017, 09:54:03 AM »
Agreed with the above, but...

I'm not wealthy myself - not by any reasonable Norwegian standard, but I do not buy into the Marxist agenda of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That one is deeply and unapologetically unfair to those higher up on the ability ladder.

It may well be a necessary evil for the better-offs to contribute more (and we are talking percentages here, not absolute quantities) than those of lesser means, but it's... Wrong. In my book, it is, and deeply so. As such, this kind of unfairness should be avoided where possible, but tell that to the smug socialist "we carry everyone" crowd. You see, whether or not I have the capacity to spend all my money is quite beside the point; it's my money. What makes you think some crack whore deserves a chunk of it more than I do?

As for Recusant's trinity of negative traits... Is it possible that there is a connection between having those traits and getting wealthy in the first place? If you are willing to walk over corpses of friends... Well, it does open some doors, I suppose. Of course, then there is old money, but I hypothesise that it's far easier for a "blue blood" kid to grow up a spoiled little brat than it is for a "blue collar" kid, so... Same shit, different circumstances.

Apathy, are those the same 1%, you figure? If so, I kind of want to make a stand by the above. It doesn't relate to liking pain and suffering as much as it does to being willing to tolerate it to further personal agenda. Then there is my example from earlier. Me hiring a robot in stead of a human does not necessarilly have to benefit me directly. When hiring people or putting in machines in stead, I have to do that in the company's best interests or at least set those interests above my own, no..? Hiring based solely on the perkiness of one's boobs just seems so... 1958.
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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2017, 10:48:57 AM »
It is the greed that I cannot stsnd, asset stripping and causing misery for many just to boost a few private individual's accounts.

At some point aquisition becomes an illness, the grabbing of a few more dollars to add to the millions by stiffng a small contractor.

Not all the ultra rich are greedy, cheating, thieving bastards, some merely gain a million or a billion or ten in small increments by selling a successful product in large numbers. Some of these then give a lot of it away. Praise be unto them.
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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2017, 12:35:20 PM »
Agreed with the above, but...

I'm not wealthy myself - not by any reasonable Norwegian standard, but I do not buy into the Marxist agenda of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That one is deeply and unapologetically unfair to those higher up on the ability ladder.

It may well be a necessary evil for the better-offs to contribute more (and we are talking percentages here, not absolute quantities) than those of lesser means, but it's... Wrong. In my book, it is, and deeply so. As such, this kind of unfairness should be avoided where possible, but tell that to the smug socialist "we carry everyone" crowd. You see, whether or not I have the capacity to spend all my money is quite beside the point; it's my money. What makes you think some crack whore deserves a chunk of it more than I do?

As for Recusant's trinity of negative traits... Is it possible that there is a connection between having those traits and getting wealthy in the first place? If you are willing to walk over corpses of friends... Well, it does open some doors, I suppose. Of course, then there is old money, but I hypothesise that it's far easier for a "blue blood" kid to grow up a spoiled little brat than it is for a "blue collar" kid, so... Same shit, different circumstances.

Apathy, are those the same 1%, you figure? If so, I kind of want to make a stand by the above. It doesn't relate to liking pain and suffering as much as it does to being willing to tolerate it to further personal agenda. Then there is my example from earlier. Me hiring a robot in stead of a human does not necessarilly have to benefit me directly. When hiring people or putting in machines in stead, I have to do that in the company's best interests or at least set those interests above my own, no..? Hiring based solely on the perkiness of one's boobs just seems so... 1958.

I don't agree with my above mentioned statement about the 1% liking pain and suffering. It just seems ridiculous and part the otherization process people go through to add meaning to their personal ideals. I know a guy who is pretty well off thanks to his parents and when he complains to a lower class about his personal issues he is met with invalidation because he has more money and therefore doesn't have problems because money can fix it, according to them. That dynamic really bugs him and would be worse off if he didn't meet me.
But, uh...well there it is.

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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2017, 01:19:09 PM »
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
But, uh...well there it is.

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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2017, 12:05:09 AM »
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2017, 06:06:12 AM »
I'm not wealthy myself - not by any reasonable Norwegian standard, but I do not buy into the Marxist agenda of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That one is deeply and unapologetically unfair to those higher up on the ability ladder.

Unfair? That may be a useful concept in some contexts but I often find use of the word grating.
That one deeply and unapologetically disadvantages the advantaged.
I did it without appeal to the Fairness Fairy, didn’t even need a ladder.

You see, whether or not I have the capacity to spend all my money is quite beside the point; it's my money. What makes you think some crack whore deserves a chunk of it more than I do?
No it’s not your money, otherwise it wouldn’t be being redistributed to the detestable crack whores.
You may hire a factory to make your widgets, pay the owner and he'll redistribute to crack whores.

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Re: Why the fork would an AI want me dead and that Hawking's a publicity whore
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2017, 07:51:16 AM »
Yes, fairness is a loaded concept. Your way of putting is fine by me.

The money IS mine until I pay my taxes, and I assure you that I pay a far higher percent of my income for the same services and privileges than ye average crack whore does. Basically, I'm paying more for the use of the same roads, hospitals, schools, retirement facilities, environmental causes I don't even subscribe to AND a chunk of my coin does go into getting the crack whore fed, housed and possibly even off crack while the best I can hope for from that person is... Disappointing sex in exchange for narcotics.

It seems to me that the wealth redistribution is balanced quite heavily towards the crack whore and away from me.
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