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Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« on: October 27, 2016, 12:21:32 AM »
I thought this book review was interesting: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower.  While I find the name  Tom Krattenmaker vaguely familiar, I couldn't say anything definite about him without using Google.

This caught my eye because I've always said that, given the inability by definition of providing evidence for the supernatural, the approach Xtians should take with atheists is presenting a convincing argument for following Christ's teachings anyway.  Now it seems someone secular has done that job for them.

From the review:
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Personally, this book came at an ideal time. I’m an atheist who often wishes for a god. I look around the world and see the best and worst of humanity haloed by religion. As a resident of Mississippi, I see generosity and hatred wrapped up in the same gaudy evangelical bow. In a way, Krattenmaker, resolves a lot of the mental gymnastics I play with myself in regards to moral behavior and Jesus. Yes, you can see Jesus as a good, moral guide and not worship him. Yes, you can be moral without god. But, more than that, he encourages people to follow Jesus for the humanizing aspects of his philosophy.

I have a suspicion that I still couldn't handle the level of cherry-picking involved, but I am curious enough to read this book.

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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 06:30:21 AM »
Jesus was not a nice guy from what I heard, and he was unfair. Not something I could agree with.
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 05:52:19 PM »
Jesus was not a nice guy from what I heard, and he was unfair. Not something I could agree with.

I doubt that Jesus really existed. Looking at the historical time line, he must have been a combination of at least three different persons, "cooked up" in a mythical sauce.
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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 06:19:26 PM »
If what I was told/fed as a child Jesus was Bernie Sander's ancestor.
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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 09:39:15 PM »
If what I was told/fed as a child Jesus was Bernie Sander's ancestor.
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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 11:33:53 PM »
If what I was told/fed as a child Jesus was Bernie Sander's ancestor.

That was pretty much the version that filtered into me as a kid, but I've come to the conclusion that I might not have been paying as much attention as I thought I was.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 11:40:18 PM »
I like Jesus.  Given his cultural environment, he was quite progressive and tolerant.  He treated women and minorities with respect and railed against the religious establishment.  He preached love and went around doing good. Overall he's better than most of what you see today.

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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 12:43:13 AM »
I like Jesus.
If he existed, I think I would've liked him too.

Given his cultural environment, he was quite progressive and tolerant.  He treated women and minorities with respect and railed against the religious establishment.  He preached love and went around doing good.
That sounds like Bernie to me.  :grin:


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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 11:20:37 AM »
I like Jesus.
If he existed, I think I would've liked him too.

Given his cultural environment, he was quite progressive and tolerant.  He treated women and minorities with respect and railed against the religious establishment.  He preached love and went around doing good.
That sounds like Bernie to me.  :grin:

Yes, if Bernie existed, he would be a lot like Jesus.  ;D

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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2016, 12:36:59 PM »
Yes, if Bernie existed, he would be a lot like Jesus.  ;D

But who would that make Jane Sanders?
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 08:08:09 PM »
Yes, if Bernie existed, he would be a lot like Jesus.  ;D

But who would that make Jane Sanders?

It would make her fictional, but we could get Mary Magdalene to play her on an SNL skit. 

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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 10:50:50 PM »
The greatest trick Jesus ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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Re: Confessions of a Secular Jesus Follower
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2016, 07:43:00 PM »
The name Jesus or its equivalent was a common one in that region at that time. It is therefore rational to believe that a man named Jesus did exist.  Many of them in fact.  The Jesus of the bible is a whole different deal. The loaves, fishes, healing, and all those other miracles are difficult to accept as real world events. He could have been an itinerant preacher that was practiced in prestidigitation.  Son of God? That one is hard to swallow.