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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2016, 04:21:41 PM »
This video is making the rounds--I found it on Moran's Sandwalk. The Creationist Mike Pence yammers:



So, he says that his training was in "law and history," then almost immediately presents a complete falsehood about law and history. At 0:47 --

"1925; in the famous "Scopes monkey trial" this theory [evolution] made its way, through litigation, into the classrooms of America . . ."

The Scopes trial was about a teacher who presented evolution in his classroom, so it's not true that it was because of the trial that evolution started being taught in the US. As anybody who knows something about the trial can tell you, Scopes was found guilty of violating the Butler Act. If anything, the trial resulted in the teaching of evolution being impeded, at least in Tennessee. Either Pence is ignorant about his supposed areas of expertise, or he's simply a bald-faced liar.
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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2016, 06:33:10 PM »
If the film was anything like accurate it would seem that creationist lawyers have not evolved much since 1925.

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2016, 09:14:41 PM »
"Inherit the Wind" is of course a dramatization of the trial. It's more or less accurate, but rather unsympathetic to the Creationist side. H.L. Mencken attended the trial and filed reports on its progress (no surprise that he was also unsympathetic to Creationism). There's a series of podcasts done in the style of 1920s radio that presents his reports. They can also be read online.

William Jennings Bryan, the star lawyer for the prosecution, was certainly an interesting character in his own right. Mencken said of his efforts during the Scopes trial: "Once he had one leg in the White House and the nation trembled under his roars. Now he is a tinpot pope in the Coca-Cola belt and a brother to forlorn pastors who belabor halfwits in galvanized iron tabernacles behind the railroad yards….It is a tragedy, indeed, to begin life as a hero and to end it as a buffoon." I don't think Jennings was particularly dishonest, but I do wonder about Mike Pence.
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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2016, 10:28:38 PM »
The video featuring Mike Pence has annoyed me thoroughly. The esteemed governor Pence  used the word theory, umpteen times and it is evident that he does not know the actual meaning of the word. 

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2016, 10:57:52 PM »
Watched tbe clip again, yes, he uses "theory" almost like a swear word.

Kept thinking about Stewart Granger as I listened to the delivery. But, on reflection, I think Granger would have had trouble dumbing down enough for this act.

Poltics and religion is an alliance to be feared! Politics are science are bound to oppose. Unfortunstely politics always has the top cards - even if most of them are fakes.

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2017, 09:13:45 PM »
Found this collection of Mike Pence nonsense. The title is accurate, strange as that may seem.

"'Smoking Doesn’t Kill' And Other Great Old Op-Eds From Mike Pence | BuzzFeed
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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2017, 06:46:15 PM »
I was foolish enough to watch that vid a second time..  Mr. Pence is clearly behaving like a southern Baptist minister.  Is this goober to be our sure enough vice prez.?  May the rapture take him to his promised land before his term is up.

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2017, 12:57:21 AM »
. . .  May the rapture take him to his promised land before his term is up.

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2017, 02:35:16 PM »
I mean, the absolutely asinine shit that comes out of this guy's mouth is off the charts. My newsfeeds are flooded with it already. I can't figure out what Trump is thinking partnering with someone who has this many blatant skeletons, but that's a topic for the Duke thread.

Here's a good one to start things off: Pence States Children Who Have Working Mothers Are Emotionally Stunted

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"So am I condemning anyone who has chosen the day-care route?" he wrote.

"Absolutely not. I am criticizing a culture that has sold the big lie that 'Mom doesn't matter.' These statistics should ignite a national debate about the family and precisely who should be raising the next generation of Americans.

"We should seriously rethink a tax code that makes it less and less possible for one parent to stay home with the kids and replace it with a family-friendly system of tax collection.

"Or we could just settle for another generation of adults with good language and cognitive skills but stunted emotional growth. Let's take these findings and put families first again."

Or, you know, ensure maternity leave and affordable child care, but then those rascally womenfolk might get away from the stove again!

If he believes that, and I was Freud, I would say he has an incestuous fascination for his mother.
But, uh...well there it is.


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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2017, 06:40:29 PM »
Either Mike Pence is incredibly incompetent or what we have here is Pence lying to Fox News and the rest of the world on camera (skip to about 15:06 if the timestamp doesn't work and you don't want to listen to Maddow's setup).

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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2017, 01:41:32 AM »
Either Mike Pence is incredibly incompetent or what we have here is Pence lying to Fox News and the rest of the world on camera [...[

I'll hedge my bets and got for an each way wager. He is a lying incompetent and an incompetent liar.
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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2017, 02:24:17 AM »
If one were to choose "incompetent," then it would also imply that he is completely unable or unwilling to fulfill his duties as head of the Trump transition team.

I think that what the Fox interview shows is that Pence is a well-practiced liar who is rather good at impersonating somebody who is being honest. A normal politician, in other words. Why he would choose to lie about something like the date that he learned that Flynn has been in the employ of Turkey is another question. No immediately apparent benefit to him or the Trump administration accrues as a result of the lie.
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Re: I feel like Pence needs a thread of his own
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2017, 02:44:47 AM »
If one were to choose "incompetent," then it would also imply that he is completely unable or unwilling to fulfill his duties as head of the Trump transition team.

I think that what the Fox interview shows is that Pence is a well-practiced liar who is rather good at impersonating somebody who is being honest. A normal politician, in other words. Why he would choose to lie about something like the date that he learned that Flynn has been in the employ of Turkey is another question. No immediately apparent benefit to him or the Trump administration accrues as a result of the lie.
I will still go for "incompetent liar". The competent liar does not simply divert the question, or answer the question he or she really wanted to be asked, they answer the question directly in a manner that cannot be challenged but is wrong ir serves their interest. I would suggest the averaage politician is barely more competent a liar than the average five year old, they just use bigger words and more of them to obfuscate the truth.

But, OK, that's mainly semantics.

(Been waiting for a long time for an excuse to use "obfuscate"! Wanted "obscurate" but that isn't a word (yet).)
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