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Started by Firebird, June 29, 2016, 04:45:18 AM

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Ecurb Noselrub

When we separate any group - ANY group - and say that it's OK to kill them all, or that they have no value, we run the risk of running into the same dilemma that Pastor Martin Niemöller found himself in during Hitler's reign:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Tom62

I'm not a fan of Islam either. Killing Muslims however isn't the solution, unless we want to be as evil as Hitler, Stalin, Mao or pol Pot. They didn't succeed either. If only we could make out off the radical Muslims more decent Muslims. The moderate Muslims are not so much part of the problem (unless they invade your country by the millions ;)).
The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
Robert A. Heinlein

Dave

Firebird wrote:
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Serious question, would you have wanted to keep Turkey out of the EU 10 years ago as well, or just in light of recent events? I ask because I wonder if Turkey would have gone in a more Western direction had they been allowed into the EU back then. This would have been before Erdogan revealed his true Islamist colors and tilted the country towards the Arab world and against Western values and freedoms.

And a good question. Thinking back on what image Turkey was getting in the serious media - its growth in technology etc - before Erdogan I would have been happy for them to join. Back then a "bridge" between the Islamic world and the West could possibly have achieved much. Though it could just as possibly got right up the collective noses of Al Q and, later, Daesh.

I remember thinking, "The rot has started" or similar when Erdogan's mob started dismantling the more tolerant, secular, aspects of Turkish society. Still nothing against,the Turks but I would not want Erdogan or any puppet prime minister of his on any council determining any aspect of my life. Moot point now.
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
Passed Monday 10th Dec 2018 age 74

xSilverPhinx

Warning to bomb them into oblivion is an irrational approach, which is not justifiable. It's purely  one of vengeance which will only breed more terrorists in the short term, meaning more deaths of innocents in the long term.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Bad Penny II

Is No one a forum member in his own right or another of those fun poes?   
Anyway I think he should be referred to as "No One" even though he doesn't capitalise his one.
All the "no one, oh I don't mean No one" stuff is getting a bit dull.

Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
I'd of thought proper preaching would have some statements of fact in it.  :-\
Take my advice, don't listen to me.

Firebird

Quote from: Gloucester on June 30, 2016, 09:18:19 AM
I remember thinking, "The rot has started" or similar when Erdogan's mob started dismantling the more tolerant, secular, aspects of Turkish society. Still nothing against,the Turks but I would not want Erdogan or any puppet prime minister of his on any council determining any aspect of my life. Moot point now.

Can't disagree with that. My wife (she's from Ankara originally) was warning me about Erdogan long before his true colors came out, but by the time everyone else realized what he was trying to do, he had taken out virtually all of his opposition. Her family is quite secular and very patriotic, but even they're wondering if they'll have to leave eventually. When we got engaged 10 years ago, they were a little upset that she was staying in the US, but things have become so bad that they actively encouraged my sister-in-law to study abroad because they don't think there's any future left for her there. It's heartbreaking to see.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Davin

Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
Yep.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Magdalena

Quote from: Ali on June 29, 2016, 05:37:44 PM
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I know you said that you don't want to debate, and no one (haha No one) will force you to respond,
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Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
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All the "no one, oh I don't mean No one" stuff is getting a bit dull.
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No it isn't.
;D

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Bad Penny II

Quote from: Davin on June 30, 2016, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
Yep.

Tomatoes are excellent.
Potatoes are a gift.
Avocados are usually overpriced.
Pumpkin is OK, you need orange
Carrots are long and orange
Apples, I like the green ones.
Oranges are for always
Sweet sweet potato
Onions onions cut thin
Take my advice, don't listen to me.

Davin

Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Tomatoes are excellent.
Potatoes are a gift.
Avocados are usually overpriced.
Pumpkin is OK, you need orange
Carrots are long and orange
Apples, I like the green ones.
Oranges are for always
Sweet sweet potato
Onions onions cut thin
Ok...  :???:
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Dave

Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 30, 2016, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
Yep.

Tomatoes are excellent.
Potatoes are a gift.
Avocados are usually overpriced.
Pumpkin is OK, you need orange
Carrots are long and orange
Apples, I like the green ones.
Oranges are for always
Sweet sweet potato
Onions onions cut thin
Simply could not agree more with you, BP II  8) We are of one opinion on this.
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
Passed Monday 10th Dec 2018 age 74

Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 30, 2016, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
Yep.

Tomatoes are excellent.
Potatoes are a gift.
Avocados are usually overpriced.
Pumpkin is OK, you need orange
Carrots are long and orange
Apples, I like the green ones.
Oranges are for always
Sweet sweet potato
Onions onions cut thin

Bad Penny, the patron saint of vegetables, with another inspiring, and incontestably correct, sermon.  Next Sunday's topic: Eggplants: Purple by Design, or Felicitous Mistake?

Dave

 :-[ oops, got a bit  confused with the nesting in my last post.

Sooooorrrry!
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
Passed Monday 10th Dec 2018 age 74

Ali

Quote from: Bad Penny II on June 30, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Is No one a forum member in his own right or another of those fun poes?   
Anyway I think he should be referred to as "No One" even though he doesn't capitalise his one.
All the "no one, oh I don't mean No one" stuff is getting a bit dull.

Quote from: Davin on June 29, 2016, 10:00:31 PMJust giving your opinion and then saying that you refuse to discuss it, is preaching. I don't much appreciate people preaching at me.

Is it?
I'd of thought proper preaching would have some statements of fact in it.  :-\
Maybe he could change it to "Anyone!" in honor of who he'd like to bomb.

No one

Perhaps I never should have posted to begin with,  often times my anger gets the best of me. But, I have already posted, so here goes.

I am not here to fight with anyone about what they think. I am not here to tell you are wrong. I am not asking you to agree with me, I realize most people don't. I get that most people think that I am irrational, or callous, or even insane. I am not trying to convert you, therefore I am not preaching, only stating how I feel. However, islamic extremism is a serious issue. If the extremists kill indiscriminately and don't care who dies, than neither do I. If they see children as acceptable targets, than so do I. You have to be willing to go the distance with your enemy. You have to be willing to show them you can go places they can not. As far as  these maggots are concerned, you need to show them that "god" is on your side by unleashing the fires and hounds of hell upon them. Pummel them into submisson. Show absolutely no mercy.

If someone were to go on a rampage and start systematically exterminating them, starting with the children, I would not shed a single tear. There would not be an ounce of remorse. As a matter of fact, just like them I would celebrate in the streets. Honestly, I have more compassion for the cockroach then I do for these things. You can not dehumanize a virus.
Now do I know that not all muslims are bad, of course I do. Do I care if they all die, absolutely not.

As I have said before, nothing you say is going to change my mind. Just as I know, I will not change yours. We can go back and forth all day, or we can just accpet we have completely different views on this subject. Now I sincerely respect and understand how your course of action is  utterly different than the actions I would take.

Thank you very much, have a nice day.