Author Topic: Was Christopher Hitchens sexist in saying "women can work but don't have to"?  (Read 1152 times)

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 Also, I think there is a sexist problem in the atheist community, a problem I think is best solved by having more outspoken women (not necessarily outspoken against the sexism). Because people tend to spout all sorts of bullshit off in the absence of the group they are talking about, but only a few will continue to do so in the face of the group they are talking about.

Judging from the posts from our female HAFers, I reckon that they are definitely outspoken. If you have watched episodes on The Atheist Experience, there is Tracie Harris, an  immensely bright lady who is clearly capable of ripping her adversaries a new one. The same program has Jan Peeples, another capable woman. Those are just two examples of smart and tough women who are normally soft spoken but fully capable and willing to deliver vitriolic response. My next door neighbors are two classy women who are long term atheists. They are classy but will not hesitate to use cutting logic to blast critics of their lifestyle or their absence of religion.

Hitch' comes across as a sexist, something like Trump, except far more articulate. I respect Hitchens well enough to have bought his books, and read them too. He is was a bit of a bully. Well Dawkins can also be a bit of a bully when the occasion calls for sharp response. 

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 Also, I think there is a sexist problem in the atheist community, a problem I think is best solved by having more outspoken women (not necessarily outspoken against the sexism). Because people tend to spout all sorts of bullshit off in the absence of the group they are talking about, but only a few will continue to do so in the face of the group they are talking about.

Judging from the posts from our female HAFers, I reckon that they are definitely outspoken. If you have watched episodes on The Atheist Experience, there is Tracie Harris, an  immensely bright lady who is clearly capable of ripping her adversaries a new one. The same program has Jan Peeples, another capable woman. Those are just two examples of smart and tough women who are normally soft spoken but fully capable and willing to deliver vitriolic response. My next door neighbors are two classy women who are long term atheists. They are classy but will not hesitate to use cutting logic to blast critics of their lifestyle or their absence of religion.

Hitch' comes across as a sexist, something like Trump, except far more articulate. I respect Hitchens well enough to have bought his books, and read them too. He is was a bit of a bully. Well Dawkins can also be a bit of a bully when the occasion calls for sharp response.
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He was being sexist IMO at least as far as his personal circumstances were concerned.  It seems he would not have countenanced his wife working even if she were capable of earning a much higher wage than he was able to; a life choice made by many couples today. So he took the old-fashioned view that he should be the provider and she should be the nurturer - fine as long as these questions are aired before a long-term commitment is made. He was a bit ambivalent, saying slso that he was thrilled when women wanted to work. I do object to the idea that women are cooarsened by venturing into the workplace, although I don't know what he was thinking in particular - effing and blinding maybe? Laughing at, and even, FSM forbid, telling dirty jokes?
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No he wasn't. It depends on culture and economic status. Some western societies force both parents to work due to economic demands. Some don't.

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