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Are babies atheist?
« on: May 26, 2016, 03:47:24 AM »
New post up: Are Babies Atheist? Semantics and Communication.

This is a treatment of a common derail in discourse with apologists. Also a treatment of PZ Myers' 'dictionary atheists' rant.

http://reciprocity-giving-something-back.blogspot.com/2016/05/are-babies-atheists-semantics-and.html
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 06:14:06 AM »
I think some of them are Satanist.
Not your laid back man of wealth and taste Satanists.
The make every living thing wish they never were sort.
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 08:38:32 AM »
Well, in hindsight, I'd always been 'ic, if not 'ist...

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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 09:02:25 AM »
Commitment issues.
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 09:30:33 AM »
My research indicates babies are self worshipping, much like the Asmo



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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 09:59:05 AM »
 ;D
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 02:22:07 PM »
My research indicates babies are self worshipping, much like the Asmo
Yep. Utter narcissistic sociopaths.  ;D
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 01:51:48 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 11:52:23 PM »
No. Babies are not atheists.

To be an atheist one has to have been exposed to the concept of theism to come to the conclusion that a theistic god does not exist. As babies have no concept of a theistic god they can not be an atheist. They don't know about anything.
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2016, 02:07:30 AM »
No. Babies are not atheists.

To be an atheist one has to have been exposed to the concept of theism to come to the conclusion that a theistic god does not exist. As babies have no concept of a theistic god they can not be an atheist. They don't know about anything.

I disagree ... "theist" means to be "with god" , the "a" prefix in "atheist" reverses the sense of the word. Babies do not yet know of god or gods (they are without god/gods) so they are, by definition, "atheist". To become a "theist" is a "learned" thing IMO.

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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 04:45:20 AM »
No. Babies are not atheists.

To be an atheist one has to have been exposed to the concept of theism to come to the conclusion that a theistic god does not exist. As babies have no concept of a theistic god they can not be an atheist. They don't know about anything.

I disagree ... "theist" means to be "with god" , the "a" prefix in "atheist" reverses the sense of the word. Babies do not yet know of god or gods (they are without god/gods) so they are, by definition, "atheist". To become a "theist" is a "learned" thing IMO.

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No. You agree with me. A baby knows nothing. So it can't be a theist or an atheist.
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2016, 06:40:31 AM »
No. You agree with me. A baby knows nothing. So it can't be a theist or an atheist.

No I don't Tank, I believe that babies are clearly atheist based on exactly what I said before (on not being theist).

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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2016, 06:51:58 AM »
Some call babies agnostic, but going with gnosticism pertaining to (claimed) knowledge and theism to professed beliefs, babies do default to atheism. Knowledge is not all that relevant here.

This is a semantic argument, really. Atheism spans from those without a belief in gods for whom religion is not an issue (Also called apatheism by some) to those who actively, sometimes militantly, identify with their non-belief. Put the degrees of caring within atheism on an x-axis of a graph, and babies and people with certain disabilities will fall within the leftmost group. Replace caring with the degrees of knowledge and you will get the same result. They are still atheist.
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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2016, 07:53:40 AM »
An atheist is just a person that lacks a belief in a god or gods. In that case, I agree with Kekerusey here (and many other people as well), that babies are people who do not believe in a god or gods. That doesn't mean that all atheists are babies, not does it mean anything useful in regards to babies. But the utility is not in discussing theism about babies, the utility is a consistent definition.

But then I got to thinking about our ignorance of the thoughts of babies. Because we can't talk about things with babies (nor do we presently have any other reliable means to discover their thoughts), they might develop some kind of concept of a deity that we wouldn't know about. We know if that ever happens or, if it does happen, how often it happens. Which means that speculation is fine, but discussing the beliefs of a baby is rather pointless and useless.

With this definition, things that are not people cannot be an atheist, so cars, rocks, and shoes, not being people, are not atheists just because they too lack belief in a god or gods.

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Re: Are babies atheist?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2016, 08:20:16 AM »
Are babies people? As in persons rather than humans?
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