Walking Dead II

[Davin]

All good points.

Yeah, Eugene being about the only person there capable of critical thought, he's going to suffer horribly and the group is going to be screwed.

I feel like the show always punishes reasonable people because they always tend to die... though unreasonable people die too... It just bothers me because they tend to turn them into stereo types, like an "atheist" in a movie/universe that has real angels and demons and even direct evidence of a god or at least something that looks a lot like one. But I like Eugene, and most of the people I like tend to die in shows, so he might be on his way out. I still like Michonne though and while she's not that great at communicating, she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

I don't understand at all why Rick took a shot up row boat across a bog full of walkers, to get to a canoe, to get to a place that apparently wasn't not even an island?!

When they made it across I thought "wait, why the fuck aren't they tying up that canoe?" And they showed them loading up the truck on the same goddamn road they were just driving on and my brain exploded. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT WALK AROUND?

And since when do water-logged walkers have super speed, agility, and the ability to jump?

The way I saw it, was that once they got to the boat, they were able to pull up the anchor and then move it to the shore. I also had the thought about the canoe, I mean those things are pretty useful, especially a metal one when there are water zombies. Also, the water logged zombies seemed inconsistent with other water logged zombies that have been on the show (like the one in the well).

Also the ending montage of everyone simling at eachother gave me actual diabetes.

They seemed too happy to me, but then a lot of people seem too happy to me at times. It was a bit too much for me, but it did finally feel like something different than the same old, same old that the first half of this season had been. I get it, Negan's a dick, he has a lot of people completely loyal to him for no understandable reason, and people are going to die even if they try living under his rules so there's no reason left to not fight back.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

[Dragonia]

Ha ha, yeah, I was kind of excited to see more of King Ezekiel, but he's SUCH A POSER! That accent.... the deference of his side-men,  his big tame kitty cat..... its all just too much.... comic bookiness.
And why doesn't someone just snipe Negan? Man, I could totally do it. Yeah, have a back up Army, but plan this shit! I could totally work out the details.
I have to keep telling myself it's just a TV show. I think I get as aggravated at this show as some people get with sports on TV.

[Pasta Chick]

Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.

This show was never strong on acting or storyline.  The thing that made it great was zombies either ripping people up or getting smashed, and great villains.  Negan is one of the iconic villains of all time, and they need to get about the job of fighting him, getting killed and killing him, all while getting ripped by zombies and simultaneously crushing their skulls.  It's violence porn - don't try to be too cute with it.  Be true to your core perversions.

[Pasta Chick]

I've been saying for a while they need to either focus on their story and make it worth following, or just drop all pretenses and focus on making things deliberately well crafted over the topness that doesn't take itself seriously. This thing where they try to do both is bullshit.

[Bad Penny II]

Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.

This show was never strong on acting or storyline.  The thing that made it great was zombies either ripping people up or getting smashed, and great villains.  Negan is one of the iconic villains of all time, and they need to get about the job of fighting him, getting killed and killing him, all while getting ripped by zombies and simultaneously crushing their skulls.  It's violence porn - don't try to be too cute with it.  Be true to your core perversions.

I don't know if Pasta shares your core perversion, I don't  think I do, or at least my perversion is more refined, more subtle, perhaps it's just inhibited.  The exacting of vengeance stories, I can silently cheer the protagonist as he  or super she does their thing. 

I don't get anything out of watching WDs killing their zombies, might as well watch someone smash a pumpkin.  Well not a fresh pumpkin, that would be wasteful and I'd have a moral objection.  Might as well watch someone smash a rotten pumpkin.  Why don't they just kill all the zombies? it shouldn't take long, if they treated it like a job, didn't sit around all day indulging their weapons fetish.  Get a dozer going and bang some saucepans together for fk sake, this series could have been sorted four seasons ago.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

[Davin]

So I had a random thought. The binding of Isaac came up again and someone asked why the god would do such a thing. And while the scene wasn't very compelling to me, and ranks somewhere on the bottom of all the scenes in the show for me. The part where Negan tells Rick to cut his son's hand off came up in my brain.

So Negan wanted to break Rick and show Rick that he was the boss. He only "forgave" Rick and let Rick off the hook when he felt that Rick got the message.

And now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like an apt comparison if the god of Abraham (not the Abraham that got brained), existed and did such a thing, I think that would be the purpose. Not necessarily for the god's sake, but so that Abraham knew who was calling the shots.

Anyway, it was just a random thing I wanted to get out before I started taking it too seriously.

[Dragonia]

^^^Back in October, I had the same thought. Interesting parallels.....

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Has this show jumped the shark?  The Garbage People, the Porcu-Zombie -  the characters get stranger and stranger.  I'm having a hard time respecting Rick, too.  I need Carol to go ape-shit on someone soon or I'm going to lose faith. But she's so fragile Daryl can't  tell her about people dying.

I could half-way believe most of the groups encountered, such as the Governors group, Terminus and even the Saviors, but the Kingdom and now the Landfill group have gone too far.  This is no longer a story about real people in an apocalyptic setting, but has crossed some line of believeability. I'm disappointed.

[Pasta Chick]

The garbage people are so cliche I can't even.

I mean FFS just call it a Thunderdome and be done with it.

Ezekiel keeping his tiger in a giant cage in some basement that apparently just anyone can walk in to is fucking weird. I have no idea what they're getting at with that scene. If Daryl were still some kind of transitional character we didn't know yet it would be symbolic of his inherent goodness but they've spent 6 seasons beating us over the head with the hardass has a heart of gold cliche now.

The show continues to make his character dumb as a box of rocks too. Leaving the Kingdom makes no sense at all. I know he doesn't want to be there which is understandable, but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see he is useful there as well as not likely to be killed on sight. I mean, what is he going to do at Hilltop? Whine that Morgan sucks while Rick bumbles round looking for guns and hope what's his face doesn't kill Carol?

Morgans character is unnecessarily sucking as well. His thoughts about an assassination over a war and such are valid, and everyone is just ignoring it because war plays better to fans. So instead of being interesting and introspective he's just an indecisive wuss.

I hope to hell the next 5 episodes are not dedicated entirely to finding guns.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Agree with all you say.  The show has lost its way and is traveling down the Pathway of the Absurd.

[Pasta Chick]

EUGENE EPISODE!!!!!!

I loved it, actually. I have no complaints except that I don't think the show will properly utilize anything that happened.

Also, they played They Might Be Giants in Eugene's episode, which is maybe the most perfect thing ever.

[Dragonia]

I do agree that this was a good episode. I love Eugene's nerdy way of language. And I loved watching him get more confident as he started weaving his lies again. This guy has some serious issues, but a VERY strong sense of self-preservation. I hope it doesn't ruin him. Because I like Eugene.

[Pasta Chick]

Eugene and Father Gabriel are my current favorite characters. I'm a little afraid of seeing either get a lot of screen time because I feel like the show makes its popular characters into walking stereotypes for fan service.

And I'd still totally bang Daryl but I hate what his character has turned in to.