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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2012, 03:49:18 AM »
John ate locusts and wild honey, and wore camel skins. First, if the bones are real, you should find some locust droppings, bee droppings, and camel hair/droppings somewhere, I think.  Second, can you imagine what a horrible Valentine's Day date John would have been?

John: What's this place?

Date: This is a restaurant, John.

John: What do you do here - I hate cities.

Date: You eat here, John.  What would you like for an appetizer?

John:  Locusts. Raw locusts.

Date:  Eewww!  Don't you even want them dipped in chocolate?

John: What's chocolate?  They're pretty good in honey.

Waiter:  Sir, I'm sorry, we require a coat and tie in this restaurant.

John:  Well, you have a coat and tie on - that should satisfy you.

Waiter: No, sir, you do not meet our dress code.  In fact, I'm not sure you are even dressed at all.

John:  Woe to you, you serpent, you hypocrite!  The axe is laid to the root of the tree!  You shall be smitten with the rod!

Date:  Oh, no, not the rod again!

Security: Sir, you will have to leave now.

John: And you, you whited wall, you son of Satan, you will burn in the fires of hell!

Security:  Sir, that's a terroristic threat. (Takes out a steak knife and cuts John's head off).

Waiter: Thanks.  I was going to have a hard time finding any locusts.

Date:  Well, he wouldn't have left a tip, anyway.

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2012, 04:52:08 AM »
Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist

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An interesting article.

Very interesting! Not because I think it's John the Baptist that they've found per se, but the amateur historian in me absolutely loves any news having to do with new finds. I think this is certainly newsworthy. If random human bones were found in, say, New York City and were proven to be about 2,000 years old, it would certainly make the news and a lot of people would find it interesting. I find this discovery interesting, too. Even if it's a totally unknown human we've found a small part of, finding bones that old isn't exactly an everyday occurrence. :)


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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2012, 07:52:00 AM »

While these findings do not definitively prove anything, they also don't refute the theory first proffered by the Bulgarian archaeologists who found the remains while excavating under an ancient church on the island.

An interesting article.

So you can't prove it, but you also can't disprove it.  Guess I'm agnostic on the subject.

The way the article reads, it doesn't sound like the scientists are actually suggesting it's John the Baptist.  Sounds like they found remains on a Saint John island and dated it from the 1st century, and that the DNA suggests Middle Eastern descent.  Looks like it's the author of the article suggesting it's John the Baptist, even linking the work of the scientists with research of some Oxford historian.  The author of the article appears to me to be pulling a Glenn Beck with the information.

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2012, 05:35:20 PM »
Now that I look at them I can see that they are both left legs 
I'm not surprised, he isn't famous for his dancing, thus two left legs is just more substantial evidence that it MUST be him.

So THIS must be why Baptists aren't allowed to dance.  JtB was a terrible dancer, so he told everybody that dancing is a sin anyway.   Typical.  >:(

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2012, 02:32:58 AM »

While these findings do not definitively prove anything, they also don't refute the theory first proffered by the Bulgarian archaeologists who found the remains while excavating under an ancient church on the island.

An interesting article.

So you can't prove it, but you also can't disprove it.  Guess I'm agnostic on the subject.

But is disproving even an issue?  I can't disprove unicorns but it's my understanding that I'm under no obligation to, my friend who believes they're real has to prove that if she decides to claim her belief is a fact.  Wouldn't the same rule apply here?
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2012, 03:43:00 AM »
I think that if someone tells you that the burden is on you to disprove their claim, they're setting you up to fail. You can either agree with them or make the opposite claim, that is that unicorns don't exist. You would then have to prove your opposing claim, and to do so would have to search the entire universe and not find any unicorns.

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2012, 03:59:57 AM »
You would then have to prove your opposing claim, and to do so would have to search the entire universe and not find any unicorns.

You'd have to search the universe instantaneously because it may move to a previously searched place, or just behind you.  Unicorn could also be wearing camouflage pyjamas, so to do a proper search you'd need to have a camouflage pyjama detector.

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2012, 04:18:42 AM »
You'd have to search the universe instantaneously because it may move to a previously searched place, or just behind you.  Unicorn could also be wearing camouflage pyjamas, so to do a proper search you'd need to have a camouflage pyjama detector.

Those damn unicorns can be so tricky.
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2012, 06:34:44 AM »
You'd have to search the universe instantaneously because it may move to a previously searched place, or just behind you.  Unicorn could also be wearing camouflage pyjamas, so to do a proper search you'd need to have a camouflage pyjama detector.

Those damn unicorns can be so tricky.
How big are they?
Maybe you need an electron microsope to see them, with a comouflage pyjama filter installed of course.
It might take a while to scan the universe with an electron microscope, so I suggest you use two of them then you will halve your search time.
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2012, 06:37:29 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't jolly ol john fed to lions after his beheading? WTF?

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2012, 07:43:32 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't jolly ol john fed to lions after his beheading? WTF?

What the article didn't mention is that they found traces of fossilized lion feces as well.  What some archaeologists believe is John's grave was actually the lion enclosure at an ancient zoo.

As for proving/not-proving... I have seen on here often that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  I don't really believe in extraordinary evidence.  I believe all evidence is evidence.  I understand some evidence is held in higher regard than others (eye-witness vs. measurements).  Once a claim is made, however, I don't necessarily believe the burden of proof is on the claimant.  I think it depends upon how much others care about the topic.  I think sometimes it's in the best interests of people who didn't make a claim and don't have much confidence in that claim to find evidence one way or another.  Science is full of skeptical people trying to reproduce results to find the facts.  In the case of unicorns or gods, I wouldn't particularly care to even try.  But in the case of remains potentially belonging to an historical figure, I might find it interesting enough to get involved in if I were an archaeologist.

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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2012, 07:53:11 AM »
The problem with Unicorns is that you need to be a virgin, preferable female and adolescent, in order to find one. This may well explain the lack of reliable Unicorn sightings. Now, the true test for finding imaginary creatures is Dragons. Of course if you find one you me wind up being invited to lunch.
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2012, 10:59:26 AM »
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2012, 03:42:40 PM »
Once a claim is made, however, I don't necessarily believe the burden of proof is on the claimant.  I think it depends upon how much others care about the topic. 

I have to disagree with that.  I think anyone who goes so far as to make a claim is the one who needs to back it up or withdraw it.  Otherwise you're just asking other people to do your work for you and that right there would make me suspect the claims value.
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Re: Bones in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2012, 04:45:22 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't jolly ol john fed to lions after his beheading? WTF?

In the gospel account his disciples buried his body.  Don't know if there is another account.