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Religion / Re: Iceland's mooted circumcision ban sparks religious outrage
« Last post by Dave on Today at 07:15:13 AM »
Icarus, from all that I have heard male circumcision is mainly a religious tradition, there are certain, non-monotheistic, cultures in Africa where circumcision was/is part of the passage into manhood, at about age 14 IIRC. Though that does put pressure on the person.

Most Muslims seem to say the FGM is not part of their belief, that it is purely traditional or cultural. So it seems to be, basicaly, based on the control of women.

There has been condiderable debate over here about pre-adolescent transgender treatment. Probsbly carefully selected by the media those kids that I have heard who are seeking gender re-assignment treatment have been intelligent and have evidently researched and considered all angles. They sounded confident in themselves, not pressured or coached.

Adults should have the right to do anything to themselves that is not intended to deliberately make them a burden on society.
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Religion / Re: Iceland's mooted circumcision ban sparks religious outrage
« Last post by Icarus on Today at 12:46:28 AM »
I approve of the general intent of the  law ......
 
Genital mutilation is an inhuman practice.  OK if a Jewish boy has his talleywacker trimmed a bit then there is probably no long term disadvantage.   Whether that is here nor there, the fact that it is a religious requirement is of questionable causation.   

In the case of Muslim girls, their mutilation is clearly a matter of cruelty and might very well defeat the claimed purpose.  She is required to be a virgin at the time of her marriage..... If a young girl has "lust in her heart" ( the character flaw that  Jimmy Carter confessed to) she is guilty of carnal sin almost equivalent to having had premarital sex. . If her vagina is sewn almost shut then she has little choice but to remain virginal even though she may have once had normal urges. I suspect that mutilations of that kind could thoroughly dampen a woman's interest in sexual activity.

Recently I read  Hirsi Alis account of that treatment. Not pretty.

but I wonder how that law  might affect an individuals desire to have a transgender modification.   Oh, alright there are probably not many Icelanders who wish to have themselves physically re-arranged.
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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Dave on February 19, 2018, 09:57:29 PM »
I misread something!

?? What did you misread?

One of the graphs, thought it said 2018 was the second highest death count at less than two months into the year! But, even then, those graphs show the size and one of the possible causes of the problem.

My nature wants to see those plots against the incidence of verbal violence on anti-social media and maybe a few other social and political metrics.

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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Ecurb Noselrub on February 19, 2018, 09:23:46 PM »
I misread something!

?? What did you misread?
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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Dave on February 19, 2018, 09:17:29 PM »
I misread something!
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Media / Re: Recommend me some podcasts...
« Last post by Dave on February 19, 2018, 08:31:30 PM »
These progs take unusual approaches to viewing humans and technology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n7094/episodes/player
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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Ecurb Noselrub on February 19, 2018, 08:29:36 PM »
Maybe this has already been posted, but this Wiki article gives some good info on the Federal Assault Weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 in the US. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Look at the graph down in the article showing mass killings over the past 25 years or so.  When the weapons were banned, there was only one year when such killings were high.  Afterward, it skyrocketed. 
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Religion / Re: Iceland's mooted circumcision ban sparks religious outrage
« Last post by Dave on February 19, 2018, 08:12:44 PM »
Yeah, heard this on the World Service. Will all the whines from an Imam.

Fully agree that kids should decide for themselves when they are old enough. Same goes for religious affiliation and education. Teach ethics and morals from an early age by all means.

Forced circumcision is unethical and immoral. A crime of assault.
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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Dave on February 19, 2018, 08:07:52 PM »
I can get on board with this teachers attitude about the need for functional societal norms. .  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5407511/Florida-teacher-Facebook-post-gun-violence-goes-viral.html

Yes, I'll follow you on that! If parents of misbehaving kids could be subjected to a threat of punishment it might help, though it is hard to imagine a punishment that did not make some situations worse - no point in fining an already financially struggling family. I am sure that I have read ideas of "parenting classes" where both parents and kids have to attend, discuss, role play etc.

Too late, perhaps, for the current generation and no politician wants to commit funding etc beyond their expected ter,m. It would have to be a binding, all party scheme that even a president would be allowed scrap. But it might take ten years to design and set up. In the mean time stricter controls on access to guns is essential.

We may be in for interesting times.
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Current Events / Re: Another Mass Shooting
« Last post by Icarus on February 19, 2018, 07:53:34 PM »
I can get on board with this teachers attitude about the need for functional societal norms. .  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5407511/Florida-teacher-Facebook-post-gun-violence-goes-viral.html

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