I am a documentary film maker and I believe that modern day accepted version of history is faith based nonsense religion. It is very hard to almost impossible to predict what happened long ago in the past even as late as a few decades ago historical accounts are mostly assumptions and wild guesses. To further illustrate my point I made a documentary about world war II that shows it through an alternative lens yet remains as accurate as any other modern day counter part even though the accounts are radically different. For all we know History played out completely differently then we realize and in all likely hood it did.
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Is that a joke? Modelled after Trump's "alternate facts"?
Certainly just as confusing to me,
No its not a joke History is not cut and dry the "official story" is riddled with holes this is just a different take on what happened.
It's clear that you didn't bother to read our rules before you posted here, trustyoursources. Often in such a case, the staff of this site will simply remove the spam. Since your nonsense video may provide a minimal amount of amusement for members of this site who are desperate for such things, the link has merely been disabled.
People are still alive who lived through the period you've depicted. I know one of them personally--somebody who was an adult at the time and who would find your "revisionism" completely absurd. Perhaps your intent is comedic. If so, it falls flat but maybe there are people out there who like that sort of thing. Best of luck.
For those who would like to marvel at a ham-handed attempt to re-write history, paste the URL for the video into your browser's address bar and remove the asterisks.
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 07:22:34 PM
It's clear that you didn't bother to read our rules before you posted here, trustyoursources. Often in such a case, the staff of this site will simply remove the spam. Since your nonsense video may provide a minimal amount of amusement for members of this site who are desperate for such things, the link has merely been disabled.
People are still alive who lived through the period you've depicted. I know one of them personally--somebody who was an adult at the time and who would find your "revisionism" completely absurd. Perhaps your intent is comedic. If so, it falls flat but maybe there are people out there who like that sort of thing. Best of luck.
For those who would like to marvel at a ham-handed attempt to re-write history, paste the URL for the video into your browser's address bar and remove the asterisks.
Thanks for not out right banning me and allowing me to plead my case publicly. Having said that you offer no actual argument to the points that I have made. Since I still have my voice I will not be shy to use it.
Also regardless of what we may disagree on thank you for giving it a chance and watching it and finding at minimal entertainment value in it means a lot.
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
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Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
Answer Recusant's question please.
State your sources.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Same for me. What a load of bollocks.
This thread is alternatively awesome.
Quote from: No one on March 16, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
This thread is alternatively awesome.
Crap you mean?
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok that is a fair question it was not my arse but my brain and also google and clips mostly of youtube.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Its hard to accept something is wrong that you thought was true your entire life.
Quote from: No one on March 16, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
This thread is alternatively awesome.
Thank you :D
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
Answer Recusant's question please.
State your sources.
Answer is below thanks for the inquiry.
Quote from: Tom62 on March 16, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Same for me. What a load of bollocks.
HAHA i swear there are a dozen comments and the best argument an entire forum of so called "skeptics" could come up with is "WRONG!" you guys sure sound like Trump.
Quote from: Gloucester on March 16, 2017, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: No one on March 16, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
This thread is alternatively awesome.
Crap you mean?
You must be fascinated by crap you cant help but check on this thread religiously. Don't get me wrong glad you are enjoying yourself enough to spend time here (;
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Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok that is a fair question it was not my arse but my brain and also google and clips mostly of youtube.
You need to be more specific please.
Links to the Youtube stuff and the stuff you found vis Google.
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Quote from: Tank on March 16, 2017, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
Answer Recusant's question please.
State your sources.
Answer is below thanks for the inquiry.
It wasn't an inquiry, it was an instruction.
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Quote from: Tom62 on March 16, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Same for me. What a load of bollocks.
HAHA i swear there are a dozen comments and the best argument an entire forum of so called "skeptics" could come up with is "WRONG!" you guys sure sound like Trump.
JFK was made POTUS the same year that I joined the RAF. His part in WW2 was as the lowest rank of US naval officer, skippering a torpedo boat in the Pacific.
In this instance, at least, I will go with my memory of rather than your imagination or attempt at mock history.
Since your version seems so ridiculous ridicule rather than scepticism seems more appropriate here.
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Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Its hard to accept something is wrong that you thought was true your entire life.
Nope, that's not the reason why.
I am reminded of the quote, "it is possible to be so open minded, your brain falls out."
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2017, 01:16:03 AMWhat sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok that is a fair question it was not my arse but my brain and also google and clips mostly of youtube.
Thanks for the honest response. Translated: You came up with an imaginary narrative and put together a video to promote it. Anti-historical fiction, then.
Is your intent to observe people's reaction to a blatantly inaccurate mishmash of past events?
Lenin died in 1924, Trotsky was removed from power and expelled from the communist party in 1927. Both men didn't fight for Russia in WW-II.
Quote from: Tom62 on March 16, 2017, 11:34:50 PM
Lenin died in 1924, Trotsky was removed from power and expelled from the communist party in 1927. Both men didn't fight for Russia in WW-II.
Practically nothing in video is historically accurate. I'm interested in learning why our new member put it together.
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Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
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Its hard to accept something is wrong that you thought was true your entire life.
I just found out that erupting volcanoes are actually a nervous earth popping zits on date night.
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Well what the hell! That vid is evidence of someone smoking heavy duty weed. A historical can of worms that is so historically inaccurate as to be an insult.
Is this some kind of play on Kellyanne Conways' alternative realities?
I am going to my room now. That vid spoiled my whole damned day.
Quote from: Icarus on March 17, 2017, 12:28:08 AM
Well what the hell! That vid is evidence of someone smoking heavy duty weed. A historical can of worms that is so historically inaccurate as to be an insult.
...
Hmmm...I highly doubt this... :notsure:
So I'm going to ask:
trustyoursources, are you a
pothead? :eyebrow:
I haven't watched the video, assuming it's some neo nazi garbagé
That weird thing happened again, no inducation that a submission had been accepted, bug it had.
Quote from: Arturo on March 17, 2017, 05:50:48 AM
I haven't watched the video, assuming it's some neo nazi garbagé
No.
Just garbage.
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok so its hard to just out right tell you its not like I kept track I would just kind of out line what I thought would make an exciting plot based on random clips I clicked into in the middle of random videos. I tried to make it like divinely inspired. It helped that I had good knowledge of "official" Russian history and fair amount of "official" history behind wwii/cold war/space race periods. This made it easy to figure out how to re arrange all these stories into the most epic and irritating to classic scholars. Basically my brain ex nihilo made that sh*t truth.
Quote from: Tank on March 16, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2017, 01:16:03 AM
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok that is a fair question it was not my arse but my brain and also google and clips mostly of youtube.
You need to be more specific please.
Links to the Youtube stuff and the stuff you found vis Google.
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Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2017, 01:16:03 AM
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Recusant on March 15, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
What are your sources, trustyoursources, and why do you trust them?
Thats just a witty title I came up with once I decided to publish my first documentary. Hopefully there are more to come.
It's still a legitimate question. What sources, if any, have you used to create your mockumentary? As far as I can tell it was pulled straight from your arse. Would you dispute that statement?
Ok so its hard to just out right tell you its not like I kept track I would just kind of out line what I thought would make an exciting plot based on random clips I clicked into in the middle of random videos. I tried to make it like divinely inspired. It helped that I had good knowledge of "official" Russian history and fair amount of "official" history behind wwii/cold war/space race periods. This made it easy to figure out how to re arrange all these stories into the most epic and irritating to classic scholars. Basically my brain ex nihilo made that sh*t truth.
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on March 16, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Same for me. What a load of bollocks.
I assume you spent your entire life inside the USA then right? Consuming their media and high fat foods? Basically in a drugged out shopping daze am I right? Do you still think after watching fox news for 3 to 6 on average a day you still correctly remember despite your programming?
HAHA i swear there are a dozen comments and the best argument an entire forum of so called "skeptics" could come up with is "WRONG!" you guys sure sound like Trump.
JFK was made POTUS the same year that I joined the RAF. His part in WW2 was as the lowest rank of US naval officer, skippering a torpedo boat in the Pacific.
In this instance, at least, I will go with my memory of rather than your imagination or attempt at mock history.
Since your version seems so ridiculous ridicule rather than scepticism seems more appropriate here.
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 16, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 16, 2017, 01:28:43 AM
Urgh, I couldn't sit through the whole thing.
Its hard to accept something is wrong that you thought was true your entire life.
Nope, that's not the reason why.
Than why I have yet to hear a point.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 16, 2017, 10:29:50 PM
I am reminded of the quote, "it is possible to be so open minded, your brain falls out."
Please another none argument. I expected more from a community that prides it self on skepticism.
Quote from: Tom62 on March 16, 2017, 11:34:50 PM
Lenin died in 1924, Trotsky was removed from power and expelled from the communist party in 1927. Both men didn't fight for Russia in WW-II.
First off thank you for bringing up a real point. See most believe that world war ii, the space race, and the cold war are separate loosely connected events. I however found the truth that they are all part of world war II and I also realized not a single date ever provided by official history is correct thus when dates line up with the official story it is because I had to adjust them to make things make sense. Also North Korea is still at war with South Korea believe it or not World War II never ended. Even Trump is technically a World War II president.
Quote from: Icarus on March 17, 2017, 12:28:08 AM
Well what the hell! That vid is evidence of someone smoking heavy duty weed. A historical can of worms that is so historically inaccurate as to be an insult.
Is this some kind of play on Kellyanne Conways' alternative realities?
I am going to my room now. That vid spoiled my whole damned day.
I do smoke on the reg good call but that fact is not a legit argument to any points I make in my master work.
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 17, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 16, 2017, 10:29:50 PM
I am reminded of the quote, "it is possible to be so open minded, your brain falls out."
Please another none argument. I expected more from a community that prides it self on skepticism.
There is no more "argument" about your "documentary" than there is about
Star Wars.
Except
Star Wars has the remote possibilty of being something like the truth in the very distant future!
Later: actually arguing about
Star Wars is probably more sensible, speculation as to what might be possible in the future is more fruitful than arguing about an "alternative" account of past events that are within individual human memory. One is aware of propaganda, of "the winner writes the history" and all similar factirs but, sincerely, you expect people to go against events they effectively witnessed at the time? Small details might be fuzzy in memory but the actual event remains.
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Quote from: Icarus on March 17, 2017, 12:28:08 AM
Well what the hell! That vid is evidence of someone smoking heavy duty weed. A historical can of worms that is so historically inaccurate as to be an insult.
...
Hmmm...I highly doubt this... :notsure:
So I'm going to ask:
trustyoursources, are you a pothead? :eyebrow:
Yes I am and yes it was "utilized" during the creation of the video the script/research/voice over/obtaining footage/editing. In fact I am doing it right now.
Quote from: Arturo on March 17, 2017, 05:50:48 AM
I haven't watched the video, assuming it's some neo nazi garbagé
Right, definition of close minded.
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Quote from: Arturo on March 17, 2017, 05:50:48 AM
I haven't watched the video, assuming it's some neo nazi garbagé
No.
Just garbage.
Bravo an eloquent argument so convincing
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Quote from: trustyoursources on March 17, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 16, 2017, 10:29:50 PM
I am reminded of the quote, "it is possible to be so open minded, your brain falls out."
Please another none argument. I expected more from a community that prides it self on skepticism.
There is no more "argument" about your "documentary" than there is about Star Wars.
Except Star Wars has the remote possibilty of being something like the truth in the very distant future!
I made an entire 17 minute historic film and you cant even point out one thing wrong with it but you keep at every instance claim its wrong. Typical atheist.
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Quote from: Gloucester on March 17, 2017, 06:15:00 AM
Quote from: trustyoursources on March 17, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 16, 2017, 10:29:50 PM
I am reminded of the quote, "it is possible to be so open minded, your brain falls out."
Please another none argument. I expected more from a community that prides it self on skepticism.
There is no more "argument" about your "documentary" than there is about Star Wars.
Except Star Wars has the remote possibilty of being something like the truth in the very distant future!
I made an entire 17 minute historic film and you cant even point out one thing wrong with it but you keep at every instance claim its wrong. Typical atheist.
Typical assumption, we are not all atheists on this forum!
So, according to your version, JFK was POTUS during WW2?
Banned.
Fuck him.
If we expect our members to follow the forum rules...
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Shouldn't our Forum Janitor, Administrator, Excellent and Indefatigable Guardian of Reason, also follow the Rule Enforcement Process?
...Just asking. :notsure:
I know he's gone, but this is just for the record...
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Quote from: Magdalena on March 17, 2017, 04:55:04 AM
Quote from: Icarus on March 17, 2017, 12:28:08 AM
Well what the hell! That vid is evidence of someone smoking heavy duty weed. A historical can of worms that is so historically inaccurate as to be an insult.
...
Hmmm...I highly doubt this... :notsure:
So I'm going to ask:
trustyoursources, are you a pothead? :eyebrow:
Yes I am and yes it was "utilized" during the creation of the video the script/research/voice over/obtaining footage/editing. In fact I am doing it right now.
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Based on his answers, I think he made this for shits and giggles. At least I hope so for his sake.
Quote from: Firebird on March 17, 2017, 07:03:18 PM
Based on his answers, I think he made this for shits and giggles. At least I hope so for his sake.
Ignoring the subject I think he has a slightly similar style to Dredge - when is he joking and when is he not? Giggles or not makes him a suitable case for having his head looked at IMHO.
Just thought I'd leave this here.
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Some more facts.
Quote from: Firebird on March 17, 2017, 07:03:18 PM
Based on his answers, I think he made this for shits and giggles. At least I hope so for his sake.
He seemed so serious for that
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 17, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Just thought I'd leave this here.
OMG, Weird Al is a genius!!
Quote from: Tank on March 17, 2017, 06:39:29 AM
Banned.
Fuck him.
What ??? Why ??? and why be so rude ? It was just a bit of amusing fun
[ IMO]
I went back and read all the comments and am amazed really. Why are you all so serious about a bit of fun fiction ? Do none of you read fiction ? It is full of stories around events that really happened but taken to a diffferent conclusion.This cannot have been meant to be historically correct as so obviously is not so has no 'sources'. What about SS-GB by Len Deighton, currently on UK TV ?
Quote from: Lark on March 18, 2017, 11:34:35 AM
I went back and read all the comments and am amazed really. Why are you all so serious about a bit of fun fiction ? Do none of you read fiction ? It is full of stories around events that really happened but taken to a diffferent conclusion.This cannot have been meant to be historically correct as so obviously is not so has no 'sources'. What about SS-GB by Len Deighton, currently on UK TV ?
Do you really think the author intended it to be fictitious? I did not read that into any of what he wrote.
I took the OP's repeated assertations that the video was true coupled with ad hominem attacks on those who challenged this to be just plain trolling.
Not even creative trolling at that.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 18, 2017, 05:31:06 PM
I took the OP's repeated assertations that the video was true coupled with ad hominem attacks on those who challenged this to be just plain trolling.
Not even creative trolling at that.
The nature of ad hominems is that they have nothing to do with the validity of the previous person's statement. This guy wasn't very educated by that standard. And I'm sure they would teach you that if you ever really went to film school. So yeah, this guy might not have even made the film and just posted here to troll.
Note: I already forgot his name so I just called him "
this guy".
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Thank you that PC. I am a bit sensitive about that bit of history.