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Title: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 24, 2016, 03:41:57 AM
I know there are Dead fans on this board and, altho I'm not one (can't handle zombies), I thought this video would be a good way to restart that thread:

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 12:18:18 AM
That's amazing.

I almost restarted this thread after last episode, because I'm feeling very wtf about things. But... Spoilers...
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 25, 2016, 01:52:52 AM
Darn. 
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
  The thing is, altho I can't watch the show, I love watching The Talking Dead.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 25, 2016, 02:00:59 AM
Not sure what to think about that new guy, but what about Rick and Michonne getting it on?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 25, 2016, 02:05:17 AM
Here's a general question that shouldn't involve spoilers:  why do some people capture zombies and keep them around?  Are they expecting to find a cure soon?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on February 25, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 25, 2016, 02:00:59 AM
Not sure what to think about that new guy, but what about Rick and Michonne getting it on?
Guess it's too late to put spoiler tags  :)
Apparently a bunch of the fans had been clamoring for it. Me personally, I didn't see that kind of chemistry between them before, and his last girlfriend just died two episodes ago (even if it was a few months within the show) so it felt rushed for them to suddenly be an item. I do like how Michonne's evolved from a tough loner into a part of the family who can laugh and cry again. But they took the time to show that evolution, unlike this budding romance. Whatev,  just being picky.
As for Jesus... Ugh.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
Hahaha ok forgetting spoiler tags then...

Carl getting shot IN the eye was fucking stupid. I realize he only has one eye in the comics and whatever. This was stupid. He wasn't grazed. He was shot IN THE EYE by someone standing maybe 20 feet from him. Also this is what, at least the second time Carl's been shot. I'm sorry, but Carl is dead. Very "best" case Carl is lying in bed relearning how to flex his fingers and move his head and talk for the next two years, and might regain some semblience of his former abilities.

Richonne annoyed me too. I thought back in season 3 they might hook up, but then the show took the relationship in an entirely different direction. I never saw any chemistry between them after the initial getting to know eachother. Rick is apparently super into stereotypically cute, vapid soccer mom-y white chicks who need to be saved. The last of which was just brutally killed in front of him, apparently 2 months ago. I don't know what Michonne is into but I see her having a very short fuse with a "do as I say and I will keep you safe" type.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on February 25, 2016, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
Hahaha ok forgetting spoiler tags then...

Carl getting shot IN the eye was fucking stupid. I realize he only has one eye in the comics and whatever. This was stupid. He wasn't grazed. He was shot IN THE EYE by someone standing maybe 20 feet from him. Also this is what, at least the second time Carl's been shot. I'm sorry, but Carl is dead. Very "best" case Carl is lying in bed relearning how to flex his fingers and move his head and talk for the next two years, and might regain some semblience of his former abilities.
The bullet passed through the side of the skull right next to his eye, it wasn't a straight on shot and it didn't get into his brain. It happened pretty close to how and when it happened in the comics.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 25, 2016, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
Hahaha ok forgetting spoiler tags then...

Carl getting shot IN the eye was fucking stupid. I realize he only has one eye in the comics and whatever. This was stupid. He wasn't grazed. He was shot IN THE EYE by someone standing maybe 20 feet from him. Also this is what, at least the second time Carl's been shot. I'm sorry, but Carl is dead. Very "best" case Carl is lying in bed relearning how to flex his fingers and move his head and talk for the next two years, and might regain some semblience of his former abilities.
The bullet passed through the side of the skull right next to his eye, it wasn't a straight on shot and it didn't get into his brain. It happened pretty close to how and when it happened in the comics.

Then they did a terrible job of illustrating that for tv.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 25, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: Firebird on February 25, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
As for Jesus... Ugh.

Was he the guy wearing the wool cap in the video?  Say what you will, but that guy has great hair.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on February 26, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 25, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: Firebird on February 25, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
As for Jesus... Ugh.

Was he the guy wearing the wool cap in the video?  Say what you will, but that guy has great hair.
Yes, that's him.

I like what happens at the end of that episode :D
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 26, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 25, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
Richonne annoyed me too. I thought back in season 3 they might hook up, but then the show took the relationship in an entirely different direction. I never saw any chemistry between them after the initial getting to know each other. Rick is apparently super into stereotypically cute, vapid soccer mom-y white chicks who need to be saved. The last of which was just brutally killed in front of him, apparently 2 months ago. I don't know what Michonne is into but I see her having a very short fuse with a "do as I say and I will keep you safe" type.

I'll ditto the annoyance with writers who shove together characters with little or no chemistry, but a reason did occur to me why Rick and Michonne might make sense based on the story.

From what you've all said, Rick has a taste for women who are easily killed, and Michonne's apparently suffered so much emotional damage that she completely shut down that side of her.  I'm willing to guess there were some zombie-related losses that contributed to that.

They've also gotten to know each other well enough to realize they're both hard to kill, so I can see them deciding make do with each other as an adequate source of sex that the odds are in favor of not having to mourn in the immediate future. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 26, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
I think what weirds me out is that I did get that they cared deeply for eachother. I just got a best friend/so close you're family vibe from it. Not a sexual/romantic thing.

I'm out on Jesus. No thoughts yet. He seems to have near superhuman abilities, which is hard to swallow on a show where you already have to suspend a lot of disbelief. Especially when you already have a bunch of badasses on the show. Although rumor is Daryl is going to get his head bashed in... He certainly seems to have more dumb luck than control of his own destiny lately.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 27, 2016, 12:23:24 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 26, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Although rumor is Daryl is going to get his head bashed in... He certainly seems to have more dumb luck than control of his own destiny lately.

Daryl is the super-popular hillbilly, right?  I hope he doesn't get killed -- I have so many friends who are completely starry-eyed about him, I'll be hearing lamentations for months.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 27, 2016, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: Tank on February 26, 2016, 06:29:30 AM

I like what happens at the end of that episode :D

Was that the Rick/Michonne mash-up PC is complaining about?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 27, 2016, 01:27:07 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 27, 2016, 12:23:24 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 26, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Although rumor is Daryl is going to get his head bashed in... He certainly seems to have more dumb luck than control of his own destiny lately.

Daryl is the super-popular hillbilly, right?  I hope he doesn't get killed -- I have so many friends who are completely starry-eyed about him, I'll be hearing lamentations for months.

Yes. To be fair,

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I dunno if I'll keep watching if they kill him. Unless Jesus turns out to have a super hot friend or something. I mean, TWD is kinda a love-to-hate with eye candy deal for me. I openly stuck with watchinf season 2 because Shane kept taking his shirt off.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 27, 2016, 02:56:09 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 27, 2016, 01:27:07 AM
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Oh, the work that must take!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on February 27, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 27, 2016, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: Tank on February 26, 2016, 06:29:30 AM

I like what happens at the end of that episode :D

Was that the Rick/Michonne mash-up PC is complaining about?
No.
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 27, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
I don't like the "Jesus" dude - the show doesn't need another super strong character.  But I think he's going to lead them into the next crisis.  Maybe he has something to do with the Negan group, or something similar.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 29, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
Well, I bit the bullet and watched the last three episodes of TWD and it wasn't nearly as horrifying as I thought it would be, or maybe I've finally gotten over my zombie-phobia.  Still, if the zombie apocalypse were to actually happen, and real zombies were as incapable of climbing as the fake zombies seem to be, I'd climb up the tallest, sturdiest tree I could find, build myself a little tree hut and live off a diet of nuts shared with squirrels and birds shared with my cat.   And I'd stay there forever and ever, even if I was told the apocalypse was over because it shouldn't have happened the first time so who knows that it wouldn't start up again?

Good grief, Gregory is an asshole.  It's a shame he can't find out that he's just a figurehead, his ego needs a good puncturing.

And what happened to Jesus' hair?  It was so nice in his first episode, and now it looks not only scraggly but much shorter. 

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on February 29, 2016, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 29, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
...build myself a little tree hut...

So you would be Clementine. If somebody called Lee comes along you can trust them.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 29, 2016, 05:44:07 PM
TWD zombies are more gross than they are scary.

I've never understood why trees aren't more widely utilized. I suppose it makes it difficult to flee when faced with an attack from other humans, but it's also pretty tough to flee a tiny-ass compound with 2 exits.

Anyhow... I feel like last night was one of those slow progression episodes. I have no new thoughts. I feel like it was somewhat rash to make the deal to take out Negan, but otoh they're going to end up facing off with him sooner or later so they may as well take the element of surprise and turn a profit doing it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 29, 2016, 06:45:12 PM
Quote from: Crow on February 29, 2016, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 29, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
...build myself a little tree hut...

So you would be Clementine. If somebody called Lee comes along you can trust them.

What season are they in?

Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 29, 2016, 05:44:07 PM
Anyhow... I feel like last night was one of those slow progression episodes. I have no new thoughts. I feel like it was somewhat rash to make the deal to take out Negan, but otoh they're going to end up facing off with him sooner or later so they may as well take the element of surprise and turn a profit doing it.

That's where I'm still catching up -- I thought that guy they took out last week with the bazooka (or whatever) was Negan.  So that was only a Negan group?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on February 29, 2016, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 29, 2016, 06:45:12 PM
What season are they in?

They are in the game "Telltales The Walking Dead" which is much better than the series (and the comic), the story is a little bit obvious but it works well.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 29, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 29, 2016, 05:44:07 PM
I've never understood why trees aren't more widely utilized. I suppose it makes it difficult to flee when faced with an attack from other humans, but it's also pretty tough to flee a tiny-ass compound with 2 exits.


I have visions of swinging on a vine from treetop to treetop.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 01, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 29, 2016, 06:45:12 PM


That's where I'm still catching up -- I thought that guy they took out last week with the bazooka (or whatever) was Negan.  So that was only a Negan group?

Nope, he was only a minion of Negan.  I have a feeling that Negan is going to be the consummate psycho bad ass.  There will be blood.  I'm betting that someone will die.  Glenn has escaped twice now - he's toast IMHO, especially with Maggie pregnant (Oh! the Pathos!).  There are hints that something will happen with the Abraham/Sasha/Rosita group.  I'm betting we lose at least two of the core group in fighting Negan.  Just my gut feeling.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 01, 2016, 12:47:51 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 01, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Nope, he was only a minion of Negan.  I have a feeling that Negan is going to be the consummate psycho bad ass.  There will be blood.  I'm betting that someone will die.  Glenn has escaped twice now - he's toast IMHO, especially with Maggie pregnant (Oh! the Pathos!).  There are hints that something will happen with the Abraham/Sasha/Rosita group.  I'm betting we lose at least two of the core group in fighting Negan.  Just my gut feeling.

Hmmm.  So based on what I've learned so far, Rick should be sent in first since he ends up killing someone within 30 mins of meeting a new group.  Might as well take a shot that it'll be Negan this time.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 07, 2016, 05:59:04 PM
So a priest, a lesbian and Jesus are sitting in a car...

I actually enjoyed last night's episode. Kinda fucking stupid that they wouldn't get a bit more intel on Negan before moving forward, I'm used to that sort of thing by now.

Father Gabriel is suddenly a very interesting character this season.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 08, 2016, 01:41:24 AM
I'm a little surprised that Carol let herself get taken hostage by other women.  Maybe she was protecting Maggie.  Last night did fulfill my blood lust, however.  It was so cool to see so many of the Saviors get wiped out.  They deserved it.  I'm a little disappointed with how Abraham treated Rosaria, but that's life in the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 08, 2016, 11:21:39 AM
Abraham is an asshole. Not just for last episode. And I'm pretty sure Sasha knows it. I don't really care what happens there and I hope they don't waste too much time on it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 08, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
I kinda figure Abraham is not long for that world, anyway.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 08, 2016, 02:00:59 PM
I could see that.

I'm still annoyed they killed Bob, which is why I really hate the Sasha/Abraham idea.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 08, 2016, 07:46:34 PM
I have some general comments:

One of the Talking Dead episodes mentioned that fans had assumed Carol and Daryl would get together.  I hate being ageist, but Carol seems a bit old for Daryl.  The sad sack she did kiss seems more her age, if not her speed.  Unless being in a zombie apocalypse made Carol's hair go grey early?

Abraham and Rosita.  I have the impression they've been together since nearly the beginning of the apocalypse, since Abe said he once thought Rosita was the only woman left.  How long has the apocalypse been going on in their time?  Seems Abe stuck with Rosita well after he knew there were other women around. 

It seemed odd to me too that they would attack Negan's compound without knowing more about him or his organization, but then perhaps they were so short of food that they didn't think they had time to plan before becoming disabled from hunger?  I know Hilltop gave them some food, but Alexandria seems a very big place so perhaps it was only enough to give everyone just a meal or two before they went back to tightening their belts?

Not sure one could repeatedly punch a decapitated zombie face without it getting all squishy.

There's been a lot of talk about Rick's group crossing the line when they attacked the sleeping Saviors, but I disagree.  Negan's group had already shown themselves to be dangerous predators to everyone so killing them was the only thing they could do and there was no point in doing it in any other way than one that would be the least dangerous to Rick's group. 

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 09, 2016, 10:00:30 PM
Morgan argued for the high moral ground of talking with the Saviors first, but they are psychopaths.  In that world, survival requires "shoot first  , ask questions later."  Rick did the right thing .  Plus, it was more fun to watch. I'm a bit tired of Morgan.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on March 09, 2016, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 09, 2016, 10:00:30 PM
Morgan argued for the high moral ground of talking with the Saviors first, but they are psychopaths.  In that world, survival requires "shoot first  , ask questions later."  Rick did he right thing .  Plus, it was more fun to watch. I'm a bit tired of Morgan.

Agreed here, and with BCE too. There's a difference when it's either you or them.
Not too spoilery I hope, but I'm pretty certain we haven't seen Negin yet.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 10, 2016, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: Firebird on March 09, 2016, 10:30:20 PM
I'm pretty certain we haven't seen Negin yet.

Agreed.  Bad-assery is waiting.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 10, 2016, 01:40:15 AM
Regarding Carol & Daryl... Sorry, posting from iPhone so quoting is tricky when the post is more than a few lines...

I don't know how old either character is supposed to be. Daryl doesn't exist in the comics and Carol was 24, which she obviously is not in the show. Norman Reedus is 47, though, and Melissa McBride is 50. I assume Carol is supposed to be younger than that since her daughter looked to be about 10. So it does bug me when fans complain that she's "too old" for Daryl. I'm not sure why Daryl seems to come off as a young character. I always thought of him as at least 40.

I assumed there was something going on between them off screen in the prison, but they don't have the same chemistry since the group was separated following the battle with the Governer.

The Daryl and Beth crowd bugged the shit out of me. I'm so incredibly glad that didn't happen. She was 17 FFS, and as stated, he comes off as at least 40 to me.

As far as attacking the Saviors on short notice... Part of it would be time-sensitive due to their plan with bringing him the head. They can't wait long if that's going to work. I'm guessing maybe they're so used to being alone and finding little rag-tag groups that they wrongly assume this one is also small and ill equipped?

Definitely ok with the attack on the Saviors. It's a them or is situation. Best to play it safe, even if it means fighting dirty.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 10, 2016, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 10, 2016, 01:40:15 AM
Regarding Carol & Daryl... Sorry, posting from iPhone so quoting is tricky when the post is more than a few lines...

I don't know how old either character is supposed to be. Daryl doesn't exist in the comics and Carol was 24, which she obviously is not in the show. Norman Reedus is 47, though, and Melissa McBride is 50. I assume Carol is supposed to be younger than that since her daughter looked to be about 10. So it does bug me when fans complain that she's "too old" for Daryl. I'm not sure why Daryl seems to come off as a young character. I always thought of him as at least 40.

I assumed there was something going on between them off screen in the prison, but they don't have the same chemistry since the group was separated following the battle with the Governer.

The Daryl and Beth crowd bugged the shit out of me. I'm so incredibly glad that didn't happen. She was 17 FFS, and as stated, he comes off as at least 40 to me.


I read somewhere that Daryl is supposed to be in his early 40s, but to me he looks closer to a hard 30ish.  And I've only seen her a couple of times but Carol gives off a bad granny vibe to me.  Baking those cookies did not help.  I seriously need to binge watch the earlier episodes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: chimp3 on March 10, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
The Carol and cookies theme is how she gained the moniker "Scarol". I think her latest acorn and beets cookie cook-off is some serious foreshadowing. In the graphic novel this meet up with Negan does not turn out well for one of the most beloved characters.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on March 10, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
I personally love Carol's character on the show, mostly because of Melissa McBride. Be honest, how many of you thought she was a weakling who would die early when the show started? To transition from that to the bad-ass she is now believably is quite a feat. And she's a completely different character than the comics, so I won't even make that comparison.
I could see something happening between her and Daryl, but I personally don't care much about characters "getting together" like all the fans seem to, especially since they don't always pull it off well. Maggie and Glen was well done,  but Rick and Michonne, both great characters but absolutely no build-up or sexual chemistry between them until that one episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 10, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
I just don't like that in most cases, the romance takes over everything and the characters turn into boring, wishy-washy whiny assholes. As much as I like Maggie, Glenn was waaaaaay more interesting without her. Tara and what's-her-name are basically existing so there can be lesbian kisses. Rick has done pretty much nothing but mope about women the entire series (which makes the sudden Michonne pairing even more jarring).
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Bad Penny on March 12, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 10, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
I just don't like that in most cases, the romance takes over everything and the characters turn into boring, wishy-washy whiny assholes.

Ye, I'd hoped the zombie apocalypse would eradicate wishy-washy whiny assholes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 16, 2016, 08:03:15 PM
No spoilers but lots of speculation:  Who is Negan going to kill? (http://io9.gizmodo.com/which-major-walking-dead-character-is-negan-going-to-k-1765226833)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: chimp3 on March 17, 2016, 02:37:01 AM
Rick and Carols Clan have certainly done enough to seriously piss Negan off.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 17, 2016, 02:18:55 PM
Speaking of Carol, what about her panic attack when she was bound and gagged?  Real or faked?  I've only been watching the show for about 4 episodes now but when she started hyperventilating I thought sure she was faking it, but after awhile I just didn't know.

I've read some chatter about Carol growing a conscience, but to me it looked like she saw her future self in Paula and it scared her.  Not enough to keep her from burning two men alive, but enough to throw her off her game a bit.

I liked the exchange between her and Daryl after the rescue, it's obvious they have some kind of strong connection tho it doesn't seem romantic to me.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 17, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
I thought she was faking as an excuse to hold the rosary. But then she did have a very hard time killing the red head, so I don't know.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 17, 2016, 06:19:20 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 17, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
I thought she was faking as an excuse to hold the rosary. But then she did have a very hard time killing the red head, so I don't know.

She seems to be having a crisis of conscience.  She identified with the redhead who lost 4 daughters.  She knew why she was like she was.  Basically an all female bloodbath, that episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 17, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
I feel like Carol was faking it, but using some truth from inside her to fuel it. They were in a bad situation where they were given no slack. If things stayed as they were, with the whole group in the same room, watching Carol and Maggie, then they were definitely going to die. So Carol found a way to get some slack by pretending to be more scared than she was, and revealing that Maggie was pregnant. That changed the situation from static to fluid which would at least give them a chance to survive.

Carol has used the appearing weaker than she was thing several times already, so it's not out of character for her to try it again. It seemed to be very effective because they started calling her weak. But when trying to get more slack to move, Carol also learned a lot about the redhead (Paula I think). In that time, Carol started to identify with Paula, and I also think that Morgan's actions have influenced her a bit, along with wanting a better world for the new baby to grow up in. A world better for long term survival, which means that there needs to be less death, because it takes a long time for a replacement human and right now they are slowly edging towards extinction. If their goal is long term survival, then they need to start looking at things more like Morgan, not the complete lack of killing, but of valuing human life more.

So in the end, I think that while Carol planned to fake it, she ended up caring about Paula, and also questioned her views of what must be done in order to survive. Like a shift from looking in the short term to looking into the long term.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: chimp3 on March 18, 2016, 08:29:35 AM
I think Morgan is starting to get inside Carols head. She also likes baking cookies and is yearning for a bit of domesticity.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 01:45:40 AM
Theres a lot of suspended disbelief in a show like this. Makes the little details matter more.

So I'm really not ok with the idea that Daryl doesn't know how to drive stick in a half rotten pick up.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 21, 2016, 04:46:21 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 01:45:40 AM
Theres a lot of suspended disbelief in a show like this. Makes the little details matter more.

So I'm really not ok with the idea that Daryl doesn't know how to drive stick in a half rotten pick up.

Does seem extremely odd for someone of his background and experience.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 21, 2016, 04:57:45 AM
OK, somebody please tell me who Dwight is and what his problem is.  And is Eugene supposed to be autistic?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 21, 2016, 03:08:17 PM
Here's a wikia (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Dwight_%28TV_Series%29) link, I'll try to condense it.

So one episode a while ago, Darryl got separated from his little group. He wandered into a burn out forest area where he found two women who talked with the same kind of, "we earned what we took," that we now know is common among Saviors. Then he gets knocked out by Dwight.

Darryl gets aways, but then comes back to help them. Darryl seems to make some headway with becoming allies, but then at the end, Dwight holds a gun to Darryl and steals his crossbow and motorcycle.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
I don't think Eugene is canonically autistic, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I'm frankly getting annoyed with the violence:plot ratio in the show. Every time we start to get a bit of character development, everyone just starts shooting.

That aside, I want to see a 3-way Dwight fight

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Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 PM
That wikia page badly needs a proofreader.  OK, so Dwight's a former Savior who talks way too much.  Interesting that he turned down an invite to Alexandria, and then thinks he can get in after he's made it obvious what a bad bet he is. 

A few more questions:

1.  is it really possible to bite someone in the crotch like that?  I'm thinking no, not just off the cuff.

2.  What in the world was Denise talking about when she was telling Daryl and Rosita off for something or other?  Is she always that incoherent?  The best I could figure is that she was angry with them for being good at killing while not being touch with their softer sides (altho wouldn't the 2nd be a requirement to do the 1st?), and angry at herself for not telling Tara she loved her.  But I'm not sure and all of it seemed to me like an argument that should have been conducted in a much safer place.

I think that's the main problem I'm having with this show, altho I am enjoying it for the most part -- people acting with little to no situational awareness after was seems to be years of being surrounded by zombies and feral humans.  I know people adapt to changed circumstances and get on with things, but the adaptation has to account for the changes.  Adaptation that ignores change is worse than useless.  I know Denise had never gone beyond the walls before (and I have a whole other problem with her doing it now, when she was the town's only doctor) but she should have still been aware of how incredibly dangerous it was out there, and not been farting around like she was.

3.  But Denise wasn't the only one not making sense, what was with Carol leaving?  The note she left said she didn't want to have to kill any more but there's a far greater chance of her having to kill living outside of Alexandria than inside.  In fact, they seem to give a lot of slack to non-killers there.  Morgan is very anti-killing yet nobody gives him grief about it.

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 21, 2016, 10:23:32 PM
That's my long-standing beef with this show. This is also not the first fucking time they've sent their only doctor out into harm's way - in season 3 Hershel lost his leg after being bit helping clear the prison.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 21, 2016, 11:42:53 PM
I've given up on coherence - I just like to see them kick ass.  This is not the type of show where you can have consistent character development.  People have to evolve real quickly - the maturation cycle is about 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 22, 2016, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 PM1.  is it really possible to bite someone in the crotch like that?  I'm thinking no, not just off the cuff.
Jaw muscles are very strong, but to get one's mouth around something to bite down on is probably the difficult bit.

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc2.  What in the world was Denise talking about[...]?
In my experience, some people, when trying to improve themselves, tend to think they have a good perspective on others and try to give advice. The doc saw that Rosita and Daryl were sad for various reasons and tried to tell them how to fix themselves. It is as coherent to me as most other things people say.

Quote from: BooksCatsEtcI think that's the main problem I'm having with this show, altho I am enjoying it for the most part -- people acting with little to no situational awareness after was seems to be years of being surrounded by zombies and feral humans.[...]
That always bothers me in almost everything, when people out in a dangerous area slack off on looking around. And I don't like it when an attack comes from off the screen from a direction that one or more characters should be able to clearly see coming. So many of those "should see them coming deaths" that seems to be more about startling the viewer than telling a narrative.

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc3.  But Denise wasn't the only one not making sense, what was with Carol leaving?  The note she left said she didn't want to have to kill any more but there's a far greater chance of her having to kill living outside of Alexandria than inside.  In fact, they seem to give a lot of slack to non-killers there.  Morgan is very anti-killing yet nobody gives him grief about it.
People often do things that don't make sense if they think a bit farther ahead. Carol had been going through some shit and kept it to herself like she normally does, then just decided to go off by herself. She killed the sick people in the prison to "protect the group" when she didn't really need to, and it didn't even help, and she's killed to protect the group in many other situations as well. I think she just had enough of trying to feel better about the killing by justifying it behind having to kill for the good of the group. So not necessarily the killing, but killing for the group. Plus, she probably thinks she can go about alone and avoid most people.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 24, 2016, 07:19:07 AM
I had to subscribe to Netflix to do it, but I'm finally catching up on the first 5 seasons.  So far I've binge watched my way thru season 1 and half of season 2, and mostly what I've noticed is that the people who are still around from those seasons certainly have changed a lot.  And I am beginning to greatly dislike Lori.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 24, 2016, 10:03:37 AM
Hating Lori is perfectly normal. Soon you'll hate Andrea too.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 24, 2016, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 24, 2016, 10:03:37 AM
Hating Lori is perfectly normal. Soon you'll hate Andrea too.

And Shane.  Gotta hate Shane.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 24, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 24, 2016, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 24, 2016, 10:03:37 AM
Hating Lori is perfectly normal. Soon you'll hate Andrea too.

And Shane.  Gotta hate Shane.

So far I'm still OK with Andrea.  Shane I always knew had to go -- he had a strong "not to be trusted" vibe.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 24, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
OK, out of the second season and just starting the third.  Should finish catching up during the weekend.  I have to ask, of those who can remember season 2, does anybody really believe that none of the farm people knew Sophia was in the barn? 

I could have accepted them not telling anyone because it would have been hard to explain why they put her in the barn, to say nothing of having to spill the beans on all the other walkers, but to insist none of them knew about her at all really takes credulity past the breaking point.  Otis seemed to have been doing most of the walker collecting, and he definitely seemed like a talker to me.  That's not to say he couldn't keep a secret, but if something as poignant as capturing a child walker had happened, he'd have mentioned that to someone who already knew about the barn.  I think he would have needed to talk about it to someone -- to Patricia or Dr. Herschel, at the very least.  Even if Otis hadn't had an emotional need to talk about it, it's a given he would have kept Dr. Herschel up to date on the tally in the barn.  It's not only the sort of thing he'd have to know but the sort of thing he did know about the other barn denizens.

The point is, someone other than the quickly dead Otis should have known about that little girl in the barn and put 2 and 2 together when the rest of the Grimes group turned up and told them they were looking for a little girl who went missing around the time they collected one. 

Otherwise it's just a big, clunky pot hole in the story.  I have even more trouble with this than Lori's driving off alone to join Rick and Glenn in finding Herschel.  Because really, driving off alone at night to do something Rick and Glenn were already doing (and how many people can it take to find Herschel?) had been established as the sort of nitwit thing Lori would do, but clinging to a lie like the one about Sophia seemed way out of character for Dr. Herschel.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: chimp3 on March 25, 2016, 09:37:31 AM
BooksCatsEtc. : Suspension of your critical faculties will be a necessary skill through the rest of your binge.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 25, 2016, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: chimp3 on March 25, 2016, 09:37:31 AM
BooksCatsEtc. : Suspension of your critical faculties will be a necessary skill through the rest of your binge.

Absolutely.  You have to go into total escape mode. Just enjoy the gore.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 24, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
OK, out of the second season and just starting the third.  Should finish catching up during the weekend.  I have to ask, of those who can remember season 2, does anybody really believe that none of the farm people knew Sophia was in the barn? 

I could have accepted them not telling anyone because it would have been hard to explain why they put her in the barn, to say nothing of having to spill the beans on all the other walkers, but to insist none of them knew about her at all really takes credulity past the breaking point.  Otis seemed to have been doing most of the walker collecting, and he definitely seemed like a talker to me.  That's not to say he couldn't keep a secret, but if something as poignant as capturing a child walker had happened, he'd have mentioned that to someone who already knew about the barn.  I think he would have needed to talk about it to someone -- to Patricia or Dr. Herschel, at the very least.  Even if Otis hadn't had an emotional need to talk about it, it's a given he would have kept Dr. Herschel up to date on the tally in the barn.  It's not only the sort of thing he'd have to know but the sort of thing he did know about the other barn denizens.

The point is, someone other than the quickly dead Otis should have known about that little girl in the barn and put 2 and 2 together when the rest of the Grimes group turned up and told them they were looking for a little girl who went missing around the time they collected one. 

Otherwise it's just a big, clunky pot hole in the story.  I have even more trouble with this than Lori's driving off alone to join Rick and Glenn in finding Herschel.  Because really, driving off alone at night to do something Rick and Glenn were already doing (and how many people can it take to find Herschel?) had been established as the sort of nitwit thing Lori would do, but clinging to a lie like the one about Sophia seemed way out of character for Dr. Herschel.
I don't think they put Sophia into the barn, I think she got in on her own and died in the barn. I don't think they were keeping a close eye on the quantity of zombies.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 25, 2016, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 25, 2016, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: chimp3 on March 25, 2016, 09:37:31 AM
BooksCatsEtc. : Suspension of your critical faculties will be a necessary skill through the rest of your binge.

Absolutely.  You have to go into total escape mode. Just enjoy the gore.

I'm not sure I can do it -- I have the soul of an editor.  And since I'm not really into gore, my escape will have to be enjoying the good-looking people.  And not be bothered by the fact that nearly a year into the zombie apocalypse they all have bright white teeth and the women shave their underarms and legs regularly.  Arrgghh!  I just can't do it!

Anyway, just finished season 3 and was not much impressed by it.  I got bored with the Andrea/Governor show very quickly -- altho I thought Andrea started out as a promising enough character, in the end she just fizzled, and the Governor was never more than a cartoon.  They were boring separately and there was no improvement in putting them together.  Worse yet, the Governor is still out there -- someone please tell me he doesn't show up again.

I found Rick's temporary insanity tedious and Carl's recklessness more a new level of stupid than courage.  And I never again want to see anyone fall to the ground and roll around weeping.  I'm sure it happens in real life, I just don't want to see it.

I have no problem with somebody taking over Dale's place as the moral center of the group, but it was rather jarring when Dr. Herschel made the 180 to do it -- not that he wasn't moral before in his own way but he certainly wasn't so welcoming or forgiving back on the farm.  It seemed to me they were setting up Rick to be the moral center with his "be like Dale" campaign, but I guess that idea got junked.

Having done all this nitpicking, there were some things I did enjoy, chief among them Glenn's bound-to-a-chair fight with a zombie.  Way to go, Glenn!

And I'm right back to nitpicking because that reminds me of how Maggie continues to perplex me with her hot and cold nonsense, plus half the time I don't understand what she's talking about.  What does "I just wanted you to see me" even mean?

I'm wondering why I find so many of the female characters so unsympathetic.  I know this is based on a comic book written by men, and those same men are in charge of the show, and I'm wondering if that's it.  Or maybe it's just me.

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 25, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
I don't think they put Sophia into the barn, I think she got in on her own and died in the barn. I don't think they were keeping a close eye on the quantity of zombies.

But if Sophia could get into the barn on her own, other zombies could have gotten out -- Sophia was a child, but not a small one.  And it's inconceivable that they would not keep tabs on how many people were in the barn.  They had to know how many animals to throw in to feed them all so they didn't get rowdy from hunger, and they'd have to know if the barn was filling up to the point were another zombie enclosure needed to be found or built.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on March 25, 2016, 06:50:44 PM
I think the implication was that Otis was collecting walkers regularly and the rest of the group either didn't know or didn't make the connection. But you're not wrong.

Fast-forwarding to this season, while Morgan has pissed me off, he's at least been consistent. Carol wigging out and leaving seemed like a sudden 180 for the kind of character she had developed into. And she was one of my favorites, so this sudden change bugs me a lot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 25, 2016, 08:03:50 PM
No one liked Rick's weeping and insanity. That's why we have the Ricks Bad Dad Joke Meme!!

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Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 25, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 25, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
I don't think they put Sophia into the barn, I think she got in on her own and died in the barn. I don't think they were keeping a close eye on the quantity of zombies.

But if Sophia could get into the barn on her own, other zombies could have gotten out -- Sophia was a child, but not a small one.  And it's inconceivable that they would not keep tabs on how many people were in the barn.  They had to know how many animals to throw in to feed them all so they didn't get rowdy from hunger, and they'd have to know if the barn was filling up to the point were another zombie enclosure needed to be found or built.
As far as I have seen on the show, these zombies cannot climb, while children younger than her can. The Zombies do not appear to be able to use ladders, while a child younger than her can. So I don't see how it would be that unbelievable to conceive that a child could climb up (much the same way Glenn did), into the barn in such a way that the zombies could not also get out.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 26, 2016, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 25, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
I don't think they put Sophia into the barn, I think she got in on her own and died in the barn. I don't think they were keeping a close eye on the quantity of zombies.

But if Sophia could get into the barn on her own, other zombies could have gotten out -- Sophia was a child, but not a small one.  And it's inconceivable that they would not keep tabs on how many people were in the barn.  They had to know how many animals to throw in to feed them all so they didn't get rowdy from hunger, and they'd have to know if the barn was filling up to the point were another zombie enclosure needed to be found or built.
As far as I have seen on the show, these zombies cannot climb, while children younger than her can. The Zombies do not appear to be able to use ladders, while a child younger than her can. So I don't see how it would be that unbelievable to conceive that a child could climb up (much the same way Glenn did), into the barn in such a way that the zombies could not also get out.

Oh, I see, so you're saying she was alive when she went into the barn and then just fell off the ledge into the zombie pit?  Still finding that a bit of a stretch since the house was right there, but OK.  I was assuming she'd been zombified in the forest and then collected when she got stuck in the mud like all the others.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 26, 2016, 03:50:50 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 26, 2016, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 25, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
I don't think they put Sophia into the barn, I think she got in on her own and died in the barn. I don't think they were keeping a close eye on the quantity of zombies.

But if Sophia could get into the barn on her own, other zombies could have gotten out -- Sophia was a child, but not a small one.  And it's inconceivable that they would not keep tabs on how many people were in the barn.  They had to know how many animals to throw in to feed them all so they didn't get rowdy from hunger, and they'd have to know if the barn was filling up to the point were another zombie enclosure needed to be found or built.
As far as I have seen on the show, these zombies cannot climb, while children younger than her can. The Zombies do not appear to be able to use ladders, while a child younger than her can. So I don't see how it would be that unbelievable to conceive that a child could climb up (much the same way Glenn did), into the barn in such a way that the zombies could not also get out.

Oh, I see, so you're saying she was alive when she went into the barn and then just fell off the ledge into the zombie pit?  Still finding that a bit of a stretch since the house was right there, but OK.  I was assuming she'd been zombified in the forest and then collected when she got stuck in the mud like all the others.

That involves a good bit of speculation.  It's better to just suspend belief and accept what happened, and then revel in the slaughter.  That's what it's all about - I don't know why it's so appealing.  We are a strange lot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 26, 2016, 06:13:16 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 26, 2016, 03:50:50 AM

That involves a good bit of speculation.  It's better to just suspend belief and accept what happened, and then revel in the slaughter.  That's what it's all about - I don't know why it's so appealing.  We are a strange lot.

I generally look away during the slaughter, unless it's something incredibly cool like Glenn's fighting a zombie while duct taped to a chair.  I'm still enjoying how awesome that was.

BTW, just finished ep. 5 of season 4 and I see the Governor is back.  I may stab myself in the head.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: chimp3 on March 26, 2016, 06:54:41 AM
I don't believe the puzzle of whether Sophia was hidden from Ricks group is answered. The show just moves on. One moral dilemma after another. The core moral question of the show is whether or not Rick is veering into evil or protecting goodness. Carol , Morgan , Marshone  , Deanna ,Herschel ,or Darrell are just embodiments of the alternative moral realities available for Rick to choose from or build upon.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 27, 2016, 05:28:45 AM
Almost caught up, just finished season 4 which I liked better than 3 despite the (thank goodness) brief return of the Governor.  And he's now definitely dead, so I'm happy.  Monomaniacs are boring. 

Altho the separate wandering around stories did tend to drag a bit, I liked getting all the background info on the various characters, and Daryl and Carol's reunion was well worth seeing.  I'd love to have someone say hello to me like that.

Also well worth seeing, despite my usually gore-adverse nature, was the big fight with the Claimers.  Lesson: never ask Rick, "what are you going to do?", unless you're really ready to find out.  Rick's jugular, toothy man scene now joins Glenn's chair fighting scene as one of my big favorites.

Question, because I think any fan of this show has probably thought about it: in a zombie apocalypse, what would you choose as a good hunker down spot?  I was thinking police stations, military bases and fire houses would be good choices with the fire house being the best bet.  All of them are, for obvious reasons, well fortified and hard to break into, have emergency generators, weapons, first aid and medicine, food, water and cots always on hand.  Also, tho this is depressing, the original occupants are all first responders and would therefore be among the earliest victims so you wouldn't have to deal with their prior claim to the place.  Fire houses are at the top of my list because they're relatively small and it would be easier to clear out any zombie infestation, plus they have real beds, full kitchens and pantries stocked with real as well as vending machine food.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 27, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
Assuming the rules of the TWD universe apply, I'd head north, staying a couple hundred miles off the coast to avoid the more highly populated areas. All the walkers will freeze over the winter and we can get around easily on the absolute fuckton of snowmobiles that are lying around. Since Daryl has never been outside of Georgia, I'll have to teach him how to keep warm.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on March 27, 2016, 04:00:20 PM
BCE has the right idea.  Failing that,  would have gone to this repurposed armory first:

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It was down the street from our old place. Probably no weapons, but it would have at least allowed us to catch our breath.

After that, hard to say. There's lots of uninhabited island off the Massachusetts coast, so maybe get to one of them and learn how to fish
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 27, 2016, 04:21:30 PM
Having been to Nantucket, the Vineyard and Block Island... I fear there isn't enough food or fresh water on MA islands. You could theoretically raise livestock, but you'd have to get it out to the island.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 27, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
BF just predicted that tonight on TWD Jesus dies and the group encounters him as a walker 3 days later.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 27, 2016, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: chimp3 on March 26, 2016, 06:54:41 AM
The core moral question of the show is whether or not Rick is veering into evil or protecting goodness. Carol , Morgan , Marshone  , Deanna ,Herschel ,or Darrell are just embodiments of the alternative moral realities available for Rick to choose from or build upon.

I think this is true.  Rick is the focus of the show.  The nature and character of his person, and therefore his leadership, is the foundation of the series.  He's the only indispensable.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 28, 2016, 04:06:50 AM
I'm disappointed in Daryl because he lets people sneak up on him too much.  Now it looks like he's been shot.  Carol, on the other hand, never disappoints.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 28, 2016, 04:43:10 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 27, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
Assuming the rules of the TWD universe apply, I'd head north, staying a couple hundred miles off the coast to avoid the more highly populated areas. All the walkers will freeze over the winter and we can get around easily on the absolute fuckton of snowmobiles that are lying around.

I remember the question of whether cold affects zombies coming up in the show, but I don't remember if it was ever answered.  I was disappointed, in the scene with Herschel in the bar, that no one asked that survivor from Philadelphia about it.  He'd likely have seen if zombies can get too cold to move.

Also, what's the story with zombies and water?  In TWD it looks like they can't even handle crossing a fairly shallow stream, but I've seen commercials for Fear of the Walking Dead where it looks like they're moving around in the ocean without a care in the world.

QuoteSince Daryl has never been outside of Georgia, I'll have to teach him how to keep warm.

I'm getting dizzy imagining your competition for that.   :o
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 28, 2016, 04:48:21 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 27, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
BF just predicted that tonight on TWD Jesus dies and the group encounters him as a walker 3 days later.

:this: :lol:

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 28, 2016, 04:06:50 AM
I'm disappointed in Daryl because he lets people sneak up on him too much.  Now it looks like he's been shot.  Carol, on the other hand, never disappoints.

I think PC mentioned Daryl's been losing his touch lately.  Maybe Reedus has been getting movie offers so they're working up to an "out" for him?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 28, 2016, 04:16:37 PM
I was really looking forward to this episode as the previews looked like Carol left, Daryl went after her, and a bunch of shit happened with the Saviors leading up to a showdown next episode. So the whole episode felt random and disconnected to me. Daryl trying to take out an entire fucking group of well armed people who have captured him twice already, on his own is just dumb. I always took him as somewhat smart, not just dumb muscle.

As far as walkers and water - I think the issue in this show is more that they get stuck easily, and rivers are full of mud and clay. The ocean should knock them around but it'd make sense if it didn't fully stop them.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 28, 2016, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 26, 2016, 12:45:34 AMOh, I see, so you're saying she was alive when she went into the barn and then just fell off the ledge into the zombie pit?  Still finding that a bit of a stretch since the house was right there, but OK.  I was assuming she'd been zombified in the forest and then collected when she got stuck in the mud like all the others.
As a lone kid, she might have been afraid of going up to an occupied home filled with strangers. Meanwhile, a perfectly good looking shelter was away from strangers (but filled with zombies). That doesn't seem like a stretch to me. She could have died in a lot of ways, maybe she dehydrated in there while hiding from the Hershels, maybe she got bit and hid in there before dying, maybe she did fall into the zombies, maybe the zombies were quiet when she got in and she went down exploring and got attacked... there are a lot of different ways it could have gone down.

What strains my belief and enjoyment now, is the run on gag of the Saviors always sneaking up on the crew. It's happened so many times and from angles and places that a normal person would be able to see. Twice just in this last episode, once in the one before, to Daryl once before that... it's gotten very silly. I actually laughed when Glenn and Michonne got captured. Instead of feeling like, "oh no," I felt more like, "those rascally Saviors!"
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 28, 2016, 07:06:21 PM
Finally finished season 5, so I just have to find a way to catch up with the first half of season 6 since Netflix doesn't have those.  And I was reminded of how I formed the impression of Carol as a "bad granny".  While flipping channels one night before I became a fan, I just happened to catch that bit with her threatening the Sam kid with death by zombie.  That was all I saw of it but it was not a good first impression.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 30, 2016, 03:18:50 AM
Heads up to anyone who doesn't know -- AMC is running a season 6 marathon on Saturday, starting at 8 p.m.  Yes, I double checked that it was PM and not AM, which would have made more sense.  Lucky for me, since the only other way I could find to see the season 6 episodes I missed was to buy them on Amazon, which I am reluctant to do.

Random thoughts:

Most people bitch about Morgan, but Father Gabriel is the one I have problems with.  I know he's supposed to be all better now, but he still strikes me as way too emotionally unstable -- he took far too long to kill that savior, for my taste.  I know Rick's been emotionally unstable too, but at least his behavior when he's close to the edge tends to protecting others while Gabriel's tends to endangering others.  I can't see leaving him in charge of a goldfish, much less an entire town.

Of all the characters and groups that have come and gone over the past 6 seasons, I find myself wondering most often about the street gang from "Vatos" in season 1.  You'll remember that was the group that had grown up around a nurse and janitor who'd stayed behind when Atlanta was evacuated in order to care for the abandoned residents of a nursing home -- people who couldn't even walk, much less run from zombies. 

I can't help wonder what might have happened to them -- are they still there, sheltering in place as the military calls it?  were they over-run by zombies and killed?  did they find a way of transporting their remaining charges to a less infested location?  did they manage to get out when their last charge died naturally (with limited medication, that wouldn't have taken long)?  I would really like to know.

I also wonder how much of the story was based on this: If we left, they wouldn't have nobody (http://www.npr.org/2014/11/21/365433685/if-we-left-they-wouldnt-have-nobody).  There are too many similarities for co-incidence, but I wonder if the writer deliberately based "Vatos" on this real life story, or if it was just something he vaguely remembered hearing about that sounded compelling?

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 30, 2016, 02:41:41 PM
I've thought of that group from season 1 too. Them, and the family Daryl saved on the bridge in season 3, when he and Merle were off in the woods alone. I guess they had to go on their way because Merle was being a douche, but that group fit every fucking criteria to have joined them, except they didn't speak English.

Father Gabrial is erratic but I find him interesting. I think Morgan comes off as preachy and people dislike the non-violence aspect in a show like this. I don't dislike him, in fact I think his current character is very in line with who he's always been.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 03, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
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Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2016, 03:35:04 AM
Who did Negan kill?  My guess is Eugene.  Guess we won't know until the fall.

It's a sort of "who shot J.R.?" deal, for those of you familiar with "Dallas."
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 AM
I'm so mad. I don't even have anything to say anymore.

A few years ago, a friend of mine who is in the entertainment industry said that the quality of your product no longer matters, as long as people are talking about it on social media. That's what I think about now every time I watch TWD.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2016, 04:16:07 AM
So I'm guessing we still don't know who got Lucilled, and won't until next season?  I think the entertainment industry is putting way too much faith in the average attention span.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 04, 2016, 04:36:12 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 03:49:06 AM
I'm so mad. I don't even have anything to say anymore.

A few years ago, a friend of mine who is in the entertainment industry said that the quality of your product no longer matters, as long as people are talking about it on social media. That's what I think about now every time I watch TWD.

When the split a season into two parts they usually don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
I thought they split it to avoid airing new episodes at times like Christmas.

Seriously, though, literally nothing happened in that episode. Everyone wandered around for 45 minutes while AMC shoved commercials down our throats for an additional 45. I posted on FB immediately after it ended and thought to myself, "ok, there's no spoiler here right... Wait... There's nothing to spoil. This episode has no spoilers."
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2016, 12:09:35 PM
I thought it was a yawn.  Negan come on only in the last 10 minutes of the episode and after 5 minutes I was already bored with him.  And season 7 is supposed to be Negan-centric.  The only reason I'm now looking forward to it is to find out something about those knights of Morgan's, they interested me.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2016, 12:58:58 PM
Were they Knights or ninja turtles. What's with that armor?

The core group was stupid for going out in that RV, and they got totally humiliated.  The only way they regain my respect is if they go totally postal early next season and kill 200 Saviors.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 04, 2016, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
I thought they split it to avoid airing new episodes at times like Christmas.

Seriously, though, literally nothing happened in that episode. Everyone wandered around for 45 minutes while AMC shoved commercials down our throats for an additional 45. I posted on FB immediately after it ended and thought to myself, "ok, there's no spoiler here right... Wait... There's nothing to spoil. This episode has no spoilers."

They essentially get two seasons for the price of one, 8 + 8. It also allows them to re-edit or change tact by shooting multiple versions of scenes and ending on a mid point season cliff hanger. Often tv shows will shoot multiple versions of scenes to avoid leaks and then for the rest they limit the amount of screen time the other option would have. Ultimately it is about keeping viewing figures up as cheap as possible and rather than writing a damn fucking good story irrelevant of the audiences opinions they offer a form of fan service instead. The Networks that do it (AMC in this case), it is part of their fiscal tact more than anything.

My biggest problem with the show is how long they have taken to do anything and that they are still having the same conversation and are 6 seasons deep. Where they are now could have probably been done in about three to four seasons, but that's the problem when you take a source that is still in on going, at some point you are going to catch up. That is why you get flashback episodes that add nothing to character development and a lead character who has been saying "it was the right call" and "we have to survive" for the last few seasons who has been hinted at being mentally unstable. Carol is the only character with development that is actually interesting but that is just in the background because if they explore it properly that character either has to die or take over as there is no middle ground, there is also no source material to go off so whatever they do would be a dramatic departure and nothing they have done indicates they are willing to take such a sharp side step even though it would make the TV series much better for it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on April 04, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
I'm more than a little disappointed in how all that went down. The Savior surrounding them and coming out of seemingly no where thin is getting so tired as to being silly right now. I suppose they're about 2/3's through the comic story lines, but they skipped a few issues entirely seemingly to get to Negan faster, but then took their sweet time with the Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd routine for the last few episodes. There is so much inconsistency going with everything that my brain is losing it while watching. I like Jeffery Dean Morgan, but I hope this story line only lasts one season at most.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 04, 2016, 12:09:35 PM
I thought it was a yawn.  Negan come on only in the last 10 minutes of the episode and after 5 minutes I was already bored with him.  And season 7 is supposed to be Negan-centric.  The only reason I'm now looking forward to it is to find out something about those knights of Morgan's, they interested me.

Not even. He appeared, there was an 8 minute commercial break, and then 6 minutes of Negan waffling over who to kill that got boring after 2 min.

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2016, 12:58:58 PM
Were they Knights or ninja turtles. What's with that armor?

The core group was stupid for going out in that RV, and they got totally humiliated.  The only way they regain my respect is if they go totally postal early next season and kill 200 Saviors.

SHUT UP THAT WAS THE BEST 3 SECONDS OF THE EPISODE!!!

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I put this on Facebook too - I will be watching season 7 to see if Morgan drives a decoy tanker full of sand so the peaceful villagers can escape with their horses.

I think the Saviors have been portrayed as too strong now, and the core group as too bumbling and incompetent to effectively turn anything around. Whatever they do is going to come off ridiculous.

Edit: While we're (I'm) talking other movie references, wtf is fuck is up with the Hunger Games whistling? Is that actually in the comic, or are they really just pandering to crossover fans? It comes off as the latter.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 05:52:01 PM
Quote from: Crow on April 04, 2016, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
I thought they split it to avoid airing new episodes at times like Christmas.

Seriously, though, literally nothing happened in that episode. Everyone wandered around for 45 minutes while AMC shoved commercials down our throats for an additional 45. I posted on FB immediately after it ended and thought to myself, "ok, there's no spoiler here right... Wait... There's nothing to spoil. This episode has no spoilers."

They essentially get two seasons for the price of one, 8 + 8. It also allows them to re-edit or change tact by shooting multiple versions of scenes and ending on a mid point season cliff hanger. Often tv shows will shoot multiple versions of scenes to avoid leaks and then for the rest they limit the amount of screen time the other option would have. Ultimately it is about keeping viewing figures up as cheap as possible and rather than writing a damn fucking good story irrelevant of the audiences opinions they offer a form of fan service instead. The Networks that do it (AMC in this case), it is part of their fiscal tact more than anything.

My biggest problem with the show is how long they have taken to do anything and that they are still having the same conversation and are 6 seasons deep. Where they are now could have probably been done in about three to four seasons, but that's the problem when you take a source that is still in on going, at some point you are going to catch up. That is why you get flashback episodes that add nothing to character development and a lead character who has been saying "it was the right call" and "we have to survive" for the last few seasons who has been hinted at being mentally unstable. Carol is the only character with development that is actually interesting but that is just in the background because if they explore it properly that character either has to die or take over as there is no middle ground, there is also no source material to go off so whatever they do would be a dramatic departure and nothing they have done indicates they are willing to take such a sharp side step even though it would make the TV series much better for it.

I mean, that does make sense, and there was obviously a ton of really super blatant "HEY WE NOTICED YOU FANS THINK EITHER GLENN OR DARYL WILL DIE! WHICH ONE WILL IT BE? HAHA YOU CANT TELL!" *drops a million hints for either*

Speaking of cheap as possible, their special effects have become so fucking terrible I thought of Evil Dead several times last night.

The Carol story line is waaaaay more interesting to me, but at the same time frustrating because it has nothing to do with anything else. I do think there are other interesting characters, but none that could be a lead. Rick has bored me since season 3 and I was hoping they'd kill him off in 4, but obviously that's too radical.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2016, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2016, 12:58:58 PM
Were they Knights or ninja turtles. What's with that armor?

The core group was stupid for going out in that RV, and they got totally humiliated.  The only way they regain my respect is if they go totally postal early next season and kill 200 Saviors.

I watched The Talking Dead right after, and a producer or writer (can't remember which) said the real surprise killing of the season 6 finale was Rick's confidence -- whoever got bashed is part of season 7.  I call lame.

And I think the guys who were actually interesting were knights, but I base that solely on the fact that they had horses.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 05, 2016, 01:45:32 AM
Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Speaking of terrible things and TWD, ever look at any of the fan fiction? So much Daryl/Jesus slash... It's like a train wreck. I recently discovered you can search any pairing on Fanfiction.net and there is just no end to the weirdness.

My second favorite thing is the "smut" obviously written by 14-year-old virgins. Which is fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 05, 2016, 07:24:21 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 05, 2016, 01:45:32 AM
Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Speaking of terrible things and TWD, ever look at any of the fan fiction? So much Daryl/Jesus slash... It's like a train wreck. I recently discovered you can search any pairing on Fanfiction.net and there is just no end to the weirdness.

My second favorite thing is the "smut" obviously written by 14-year-old virgins. Which is fucking hilarious.

Ah yes, I remember fanfic from my Buffy days.  Don't tell anyone.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Buddy on April 05, 2016, 03:00:18 PM
I still read a lot of fanfiction. Though I stay far away from the X-rated stuff but I find that in the case of some shows (mostly Supernatural) the fanfic writers portray the characters better than the show writers.   
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 05, 2016, 06:10:49 PM
Some of it is really ridiculously good. I think it depends heavily on the audience the source material draws. Walking Dead tries to pander to fans, so it makes sense that the fanfic would be a lot of fans twisting things to fit their vision. A lot of it is just regular, boring bad, but some of it is MST3K bad. Like, I read one the other day that was rated M, but included a ridiculous amount of justification for how they were totally in love so it was ok if they had sex, a way too long discussion about condoms, and ended on a super PG13 they kiss and fall off screen and wake up next to eachother in their underwear deal. Many lolz were had.

AU fascinates me too. It ends up either super creative and good, or hilarious from the concept alone.

I've read some awesome fanfic form different source material. And honestly suuuuuper into Star Wars EU for most of my life, which is pretty much just fanfiction. EU geeks created an actual world around the OT, which is kinda amazing.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 05, 2016, 06:19:42 PM
Mystery solved!!

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Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 06, 2016, 12:27:19 AM
The poor cameraman!  We hardly got to know him!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 06, 2016, 12:39:46 AM
An online club I belonged to in my Buffy days used to write fanfic for their own amusement.   I wrote a few jokey pieces but mostly I beta'd.  Usually the only thing that makes me write fanfic is if something strikes me as so badly done that I have to "fix" it or I can't sleep at nights.  I did that with the whole Franklin/Tara subplot from "True Blood", which I thought started out interesting and then just totally stuck its finger in a socket.

But yeah, some fanfic is slush, some is good enough and some is even better than what the show writers produce.  If I'm remembering right, two writers in BTVS started out writing fanfic that got Joss Whedon's attention, and he gave them jobs writing for Buffy and then Angel -- possibly also Firefly but I'm not sure about that one.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 06, 2016, 12:46:59 AM
And then you've got Fifty Shades of Grey, which started out as fanfiction and remains just terrible fanfiction. BF and I actually watched 15 minutes of it because he thought all my ranting was misdirection and I secretly thought it was hot. And that it was sort core porn. It ended with him ranting at the television while I laughed hysterically.

But... Some seriously awesome fanfiction about it. I was following an 50 Shades hate group for a bit that produced some great sories.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 06, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 06, 2016, 12:46:59 AM
And then you've got Fifty Shades of Grey, which started out as fanfiction and remains just terrible fanfiction. BF and I actually watched 15 minutes of it because he thought all my ranting was misdirection and I secretly thought it was hot. And that it was sort core porn. It ended with him ranting at the television while I laughed hysterically.


That'll teach him.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Buddy on April 06, 2016, 08:47:34 AM
Plus with fanfiction you have to know where to look. fanfiction.net is crap nowadays because like you said, it mostly has young teenage authors, but archive of our own is pretty decent. It at least has a nice tagging system so you can find exactly what you want.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 06, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
When the memes nail it better than the show or fanfic...

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Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 07, 2016, 11:57:31 PM
Has anyone watched Fear the Walking Dead and if so is it any good?

The Telltale games are far superior to the show I think that is in part not being confined to the comic (seriously play the first episode of season one it is free, and you will see what I mean, if you get stuck use your noggin) and was wondering if this was similar.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 08, 2016, 12:23:14 AM
I watched 3 or 4 episodes of Fear the Walking Dead and just absolutely could not bring myself to give a shit.

It's kind of the same fucking thing, actually, except Carl is a 16-year-old heroin addict.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 08, 2016, 12:56:10 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 08, 2016, 12:23:14 AM
I watched 3 or 4 episodes of Fear the Walking Dead and just absolutely could not bring myself to give a shit.

It's kind of the same fucking thing, actually, except Carl is a 16-year-old heroin addict.

Yeah, I tried watching one episode but when I realized I was reading a totally unrelated book thru it I gave up.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 08, 2016, 02:31:40 PM
Ha!

Parents of Director Behind TWD Cliffhanger Not Speaking to Him (http://comicbook.com/2016/04/07/the-parents-of-the-director-behind-the-walking-deads-cliffhanger/)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on April 08, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
Are cliff hangers that big of a deal? I mean, the result is only a few months away, no big deal. I would be upset if they cancelled the show, but as long as a resolution is coming, I don't mind.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 08, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
When the entire season has been sold on "OMG NEGAN IS COMING ONE OF THE MAIN CAST DIES ON SEASON 6!!!" Yes. That makes it a big deal.

Especially after using cliff hanger teasers throughout the season - it's just lazy. They're doing it in place of an actual plot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 08, 2016, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Davin on April 08, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
Are cliff hangers that big of a deal? I mean, the result is only a few months away, no big deal. I would be upset if they cancelled the show, but as long as a resolution is coming, I don't mind.

Nope I just watched the final now and it is obviously who it is. All the cues are there in the episode something they have done since the first season.

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.


The episode needed more Trevor though. The next season could actually be quite good they have finally got some charismatic actors on board. Far more interested in them than the current lot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on April 08, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
I agree that it looks like they've succumbed to meta advertising inside the show using almost fourth wall breaking methods to try to gain popularity and viewers. In my mind it's another small dent in my enjoyment of watching the show. In the last few episodes, all of the season 6.5 episodes really, I haven't seen any good events/moments/anything to make up for the damage in a few episodes. I don't think it's all that bad, but it's heading that way.

I'm not against selling out, but I do think they could have sold out while not making it look like that is all they were doing. I also don't think they needed an extra half an hour of wandering around for a season finale.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 09, 2016, 06:07:19 AM
OK, I've changed my mind.  It's Glenn who Negan kills.

https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Does-Negan-Kill-Glenn-Walking-Dead-Season-6-Finale-40823381#photo-40824583

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 09, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 09, 2016, 06:07:19 AM
OK, I've changed my mind.  It's Glenn who Negan kills.

https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Does-Negan-Kill-Glenn-Walking-Dead-Season-6-Finale-40823381#photo-40824583

You should have read my post I figured that shit out. Though there are a lot more first person perspective than the one used in the link, there are loads very subtly done but they are there and always from the perspective of Glen. They happen in the first part of the season, first I can think of is when he spots Maggie a top the tower from outside the walls. They are almost seamlessly done but they are distinct in style from every other shot in the series.

But it is actually a big story point in the comics so even though they played with it there isn't really another character that could have died to get the same reaction for the direction the story is about to go. It has to be one of the originals and seeing as there was only Glenn, Carl and Rick there which were there from the first season.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 09, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
Daryl is season one, and not in the comics at all. Hence the rumors it's him - he has no story line, and Reedus has his own show & side projects now.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 09, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 09, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
Daryl is season one, and not in the comics at all. Hence the rumors it's him - he has no story line, and Reedus has his own show & side projects now.

I'm not going to say anything that would potentially spoil something but Daryl doesn't have the connection to a specific character who is integral to the progress of the story who changes directly after the death of Glen though they hinted at the direction of that person in this series. And even though they have changed bits they have never gone totally off plot and it is a big turning point.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 09, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: Crow on April 09, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 09, 2016, 06:07:19 AM
OK, I've changed my mind.  It's Glenn who Negan kills.

https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Does-Negan-Kill-Glenn-Walking-Dead-Season-6-Finale-40823381#photo-40824583

You should have read my post I figured that shit out. Though there are a lot more first person perspective than the one used in the link, there are loads very subtly done but they are there and always from the perspective of Glen. They happen in the first part of the season, first I can think of is when he spots Maggie a top the tower from outside the walls. They are almost seamlessly done but they are distinct in style from every other shot in the series.

But it is actually a big story point in the comics so even though they played with it there isn't really another character that could have died to get the same reaction for the direction the story is about to go. It has to be one of the originals and seeing as there was only Glenn, Carl and Rick there which were there from the first season.

My favorite.  It figures.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on April 10, 2016, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: Crow on April 07, 2016, 11:57:31 PM
Has anyone watched Fear the Walking Dead and if so is it any good?

The Telltale games are far superior to the show I think that is in part not being confined to the comic (seriously play the first episode of season one it is free, and you will see what I mean, if you get stuck use your noggin) and was wondering if this was similar.

I watched the first season. I'll probably give season 2 a shot, but there's not enough to distinguish it from TWD. It was sold as showing a whole different perspective and getting to see society crumble slowly, unlike TWD, but they've done a poor job of that so far. And one of the main characters (the father) really gets on my nerves.

TWD finale...Carol's character shift continues to confuse me. Negan's group blocking every road was well done IMO, as it built on the sense of futility and dread, and the introduction of Negan was frightening for like the first two minutes of his speech. By minute 5 I was just getting impatient. If you're going to tack on another 20 minutes to the show, at least make it count.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Crow on April 10, 2016, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: Firebird on April 10, 2016, 07:51:11 PM
TWD finale...Carol's character shift continues to confuse me. Negan's group blocking every road was well done IMO, as it built on the sense of futility and dread, and the introduction of Negan was frightening for like the first two minutes of his speech. By minute 5 I was just getting impatient. If you're going to tack on another 20 minutes to the show, at least make it count.

I was really disappointed the way they went with Carol. When I wrote what I did about her I had just watched the episode where they are getting attacked by the wolves. It just didn't really make any sense where they went after that, it was like they wanted to write in the empathy part but that was way too late in the day to try pull that off. They might of thought of doing that around the time she kills the girl or the two ill people.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Firebird on April 11, 2016, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: Crow on April 10, 2016, 09:10:25 PMThey might of thought of doing that around the time she kills the girl or the two ill people.

Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 24, 2016, 03:23:00 AM
It's back.

Abraham is dead.

Glenn is dead.

Rick has been humiliated.

Daryl is a hostage.

Negan will definitely die a horrible death at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 24, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
They killed both the character I cared most about and the one I cared least about.  Altho I have to say both Glen and Abraham died very "them" sort of deaths.

Did anybody watch The Talking Dead afterwards?  It was held in a huge outdoor setting (a cemetery, no less) and it rained on them all night long.  I thought that was hilarious.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on October 24, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
I'm so happy that you guys have a WD thread! I came first thing this morning to check, and voilá!  :D
So Books, I am opposite of you in that Glenn was one of my least favorite and Abe was one of my most favorite characters.
Last night tore my heart up, especially the whole plan to try to break Rick, but I'm excited to watch how Negan meets his demise. And they dispatched Daryl nicely, so he can be not dead, but still go fulfill his other obligations IRL.
And I did watch the rain-soaked Talking Dead afterwards. It was so great to watch all of those cast members be together. The most I've seen together at one time I think.
It's was fun watching the interactions until Jeffery Dean Morgan (Negan) came out. Even though I know he is a great actor, I still can't like the real life man at all. Ech....
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2016, 01:55:04 PM
I chose Westworld.

I feel so free...  ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on October 24, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
Westworld looks good too, but I don't have HBO. Cause I'm too cheap to pay extra for it.  ;)

Sooo, I forgot, but I have a question for anyone else who watched Walking Dead last night.  Did anyone else see some serious parallels between when Negan was going to make Rick cut Carl's arm off, and a certain Bible story, (Genesis 22:1-14) where God told Abraham to murder (sacrifice) his only son, Isaac?  We don't see as much of the turmoil this causes Abraham, but we assume it was great, considering all that it took to get this son.
Well, at the last minute, God said "ah, hang on, nevermind, good job for being willing to do it, but don't kill him". Just like Negan did.
Except we thought Negan was such a sick twisted monster, and he was only asking for an arm! But the God of the Bible was asking for Isaac's life and Christians make excuses all over the place as to why it was in God's rights to do this and he lovingly and benevolently stopped Abraham from doing it, blah blah blah.
It would be interesting to apply all of the defense arguments for God's actions to Negan's actions last night.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2016, 02:42:44 PM
We have the Spectrum app through Charter which includes either HBO or Showtime. Because I'm way too cheap for a full cable package.

Seriously though, I was trying to subscribe to AMC on Roku last night and it wouldn't let me... but after this morning I don't even care. I'm so pissed off by fan-pandering and plays for social media attention. It's like the click-bait of television series.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 24, 2016, 03:57:05 PM
Yes, I thought about the Genesis story.  Negan didn't stop Rick, however.  Rick gave in (which he had to do) and that ended the crisis.

I'm hoping another biblical principle will eventually apply - he who lives by Lucille shall die by Lucille.   
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on October 24, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
That axe also wouldn't be a bad thing for Negan to die by.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on October 24, 2016, 10:19:48 PM
^^^ I concur, but only after someone mentally plays with him and degrades him and rips his spirit and pride and dignity to shreds.
Good Lord, what is this show doing to me?!?!?  :o
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 24, 2016, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Dragonia on October 24, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
I'm so happy that you guys have a WD thread! I came first thing this morning to check, and voilá!  :D
So Books, I am opposite of you in that Glenn was one of my least favorite and Abe was one of my most favorite characters.

I've always felt Glen would have made a much better leader than Rick.  Not that Andrew Lincoln doesn't have a great profile and is one of the very few men who looks good with a full beard, but Rick has an emotional breakdown nearly every season -- he's just not that stable.  Whereas Glen was solid as a rock no matter how awful things got.  The only points against Glen as leader were his youth and lack of experience, and he was catching up there fast.

And then there's this, my absolute favorite WD scene: 


But as terrible as I found his death, it did suit him -- to the last he was thinking of Maggie.  I'm not a particularly sentimental person (well, not about other people anyway) but that "I will find you" had me on the verge of tears.

And Abraham's death suited him as well, died telling his killer to suck his balls.  But it wasn't that that got to me about Abraham, it was something I didn't even notice until someone far more observant pointed it out -- just before he first got hit by Negan, he flashed the peace sign to Sasha, because that was their "thing".  That was what finally made me warm up a little to Abraham, right when he was getting killed off.

QuoteIt's was fun watching the interactions until Jeffery Dean Morgan (Negan) came out. Even though I know he is a great actor, I still can't like the real life man at all. Ech....

I don't know anything about Morgan in real life, but I have to admit my opinion of Negan has changed since season 6.  Then I thought, "oh great, another one-note cartoon bad guy", but Negan's really gotten fleshed out as far more complex than that so I'm actually enjoying his awful self.  Looking forward to learning more about him before he gets done in.

Quote from: Davin on October 24, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
That axe also wouldn't be a bad thing for Negan to die by.

This.  I just haven't decided yet who I want to see do it.  Maggie and Sasha are big favorites, of course, but Daryl and Rick are heavy contenders as well.  And what about Carl?  I think he could also be a poetic possibility.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 25, 2016, 12:05:39 AM
Altho I will admit, Rick's instability does have its uses at times:
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 25, 2016, 02:03:35 AM
Ahem.  The Walking Dead Quitters Club (http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/24/13378876/the-walking-dead-season-7-premiere-recap-review-end-of-quitters-club)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on October 25, 2016, 01:33:05 PM
From the Walking Dead Quitters Club, this sums it up nicely:
QuoteThat's TWD's biggest problem going forward. We're supposed to hate Negan now, and the reason people should want to keep watching is to see what type of revenge Rick strikes back with, no matter how many seasons it takes. But no amount of payoff is worth being jerked around like this.
I will still keep watching, because I want to know what happens, but that article had some good points.
Besides, this is the only tv I watch.  :-\
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 25, 2016, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: Dragonia on October 25, 2016, 01:33:05 PM
From the Walking Dead Quitters Club, this sums it up nicely:
QuoteThat's TWD's biggest problem going forward. We're supposed to hate Negan now, and the reason people should want to keep watching is to see what type of revenge Rick strikes back with, no matter how many seasons it takes. But no amount of payoff is worth being jerked around like this.
I will still keep watching, because I want to know what happens, but that article had some good points.
Besides, this is the only tv I watch.  :-\

Me too, and I'm particularly curious about what's going on with Morgan and Carol.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on October 25, 2016, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 25, 2016, 02:03:35 AM
Ahem.  The Walking Dead Quitters Club (http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/24/13378876/the-walking-dead-season-7-premiere-recap-review-end-of-quitters-club)

I was just coming to post this!

And reading the comments, a lot of people are missing the point. It's not that it's gory and cruel - I expect a zombie show to be gory and cruel - it's that that's ALL it is. Dragged out over multiple seasons.

I miss character development. I don't even care that Glen and Abraham are dead because they're just pawns the show uses to toy with us.

People keep talking about "but that's how the novels are!" But there are several problems with this:
- Novels translated to the screen cut out a lot of detail FOR A REASON. Some cut too much which is just as bad, but for real, can you imagine GoT or Harry Potter with literally every detail kept in place?
- Even if that particular scene was panel by panel from the novel, the obnoxious pacing, the placement of commercial breaks, and splitting it between not just episodes but an entire damn season is ridiculous. While very obviously playing off social media.
- Being in graphic novel form doesn't make something good. Sorry nerds. Truth sucks. If this IS word-for-word, setting and drama copied from the novels, then the novels suck balls. /sorrynotsorry
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 25, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Rick and Carol and Maggie are all being developed, in my opinion.  The women are turning into bad asses and Rick is a question mark, vacillating between courageous leader and sniveling wimp.  Daryl is constant.  Michone is fairly constant, but shows a little more humanity and rationality now.  Morgan finally killed someone.  It is just escalating violence, and after Negan is horribly killed I'm not sure where they will go with this, although they promise more years.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 08, 2016, 06:47:56 AM
So, for those of us still watching, what are we thinking so far?

I like the Kingdom, it's my kind of place, but I find King Ezekiel's affected speaking style baffling and more than a little annoying.  I suppose that's how he talks in the comic but I think it's a mistake for the show.  His natural style, which he uses with Carol, would be perfectly fine for his role as king, and not make him sound like a loon.

The Kingdom itself may be working like a fairy tale (esp. with most of the people apparently in the dark about Negan) but I think that would be OK with me if I had lost consciousness in a George Romero film and woken up in Camelot.  I'd enjoy the luxury of just relaxing into it for a few weeks before asking "OK, what's really going on?"

Negan's group just gets worse and worse.  The actress playing Dwight's now ex-wife said she thought Negan a charismatic leader but I have to disagree.  Ezekiel is charismatic -- he enchants everyone into cooperating with him.  Negan rules purely by fear -- people only obey him out of terror of becoming his next victim, or of getting hurt even worse than usual the next time it is their turn for the pain.

Fear is the answer to poor Gordon's question about why, with only one of Negan and so many of them, they can't get rid of him.  They're all too afraid of dying to take the chance, and it's a reasonable fear.  Even if one of them managed to kill Negan by surprise, it's just about a given the other minions would kill that guy and then one of them them would surely seize the opportunity to become the new Negan -- making the hero's death not only a sacrifice but a wasted one.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on November 08, 2016, 07:31:04 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 08, 2016, 06:47:56 AM
So, for those of us still watching, what are we thinking so far?

I like the Kingdom, it's my kind of place, but I find King Ezekiel's affected speaking style baffling and more than a little annoying.  I suppose that's how he talks in the comic but I think it's a mistake for the show.  His natural style, which he uses with Carol, would be perfectly fine for his role as king, and not make him sound like a loon.

The Kingdom itself may be working like a fairy tale (esp. with most of the people apparently in the dark about Negan) but I think that would be OK with me if I had lost consciousness in a George Romero film and woken up in Camelot.  I'd enjoy the luxury of just relaxing into it for a few weeks before asking "OK, what's really going on?"
I like the kingdom, I think it would be just fine if he dropped the act and kept everything else.

Quote from: BooksCatsEtcNegan's group just gets worse and worse.  The actress playing Dwight's now ex-wife said she thought Negan a charismatic leader but I have to disagree.  Ezekiel is charismatic -- he enchants everyone into cooperating with him.  Negan rules purely by fear -- people only obey him out of terror of becoming his next victim, or of getting hurt even worse than usual the next time it is their turn for the pain.

Fear is the answer to poor Gordon's question about why, with only one of Negan and so many of them, they can't get rid of him.  They're all too afraid of dying to take the chance, and it's a reasonable fear.  Even if one of them managed to kill Negan by surprise, it's just about a given the other minions would kill that guy and then one of them them would surely seize the opportunity to become the new Negan -- making the hero's death not only a sacrifice but a wasted one.
I don't find Negan's group to be very realistic, it looks like it was written by someone who is going off of bro pseudo science and folk wisdom, and surprisingly, against everything we've learned about human behavior in the last 100 years, it produces a large and stable population of loyal people who amazingly seem well behaved and not insanely unpredictable, and another population that are almost completely subservient.

If we look at another "experiment" that was fairly similar, there is one very popular example. But even in the Stanford Prison Experiment, there were a lot more "prisoners" fighting back from the start and until the end. There are lot of things that are different of course, but I think the differences lean away from instead of towards what is being presented. People don't respond to punishment like that at all, it would make more sense if they took out the punishments and left in the deprivation, starvation, and "rewards."

So I find Negan and that whole thing a lot more cheesy than anything else, and the Kingdom seems a lot more realistic. Although, I thought Carol was so good at acting back before she left the group, and then she went way overboard in the Kingdom. Even if Ezekiel was as cray as he acted, he could have seen through the act. So far it's still tolerable, but the misrepresentations that Negan's group presents is grating on my nerves.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 08, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
You have to suspend belief for the entire series - we are talking zombies here - so quirky things like the Kingdom and Negan don't bother me that much.  Everything is a caricature.  However, I think that some cults and even big corporations have the sort of "bow to the leader" culture that we see this season.  I just look at those as sort of background noise to how Rick & Co. are going to develop  - what they are going to become. I think of this series as a dream in which the brain is trying to reveal something to us about our/its essential nature. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on November 08, 2016, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 08, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
You have to suspend belief for the entire series - we are talking zombies here - so quirky things like the Kingdom and Negan don't bother me that much.  Everything is a caricature.  However, I think that some cults and even big corporations have the sort of "bow to the leader" culture that we see this season.  I just look at those as sort of background noise to how Rick & Co. are going to develop  - what they are going to become. I think of this series as a dream in which the brain is trying to reveal something to us about our/its essential nature.
I'm fine with suspending belief, that's like a, "no shit" kind of thing. If a story is not going to be realistic, then at least it should expose something about humanity... otherwise it seems pointless... and that's even fine in its own. But in this case, the misrepresentations of how humans behave work against revealing anything about our essential nature instead of for it. It's not revealing something about humanity, and it's moved too far down the "what if" path that they're no longer concerned about plausibility. Which of course is fine too. I just don't enjoy it as much.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on November 09, 2016, 11:32:42 PM
Gah!! What is WRONG with me?? I just watched the latest episode of WD and despite how much I hate Negan, how sick and cruel he is...... am I the only one who thinks he is totally smoking HOT?  :o
It's just one more way the producers are messing with my head!!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 10, 2016, 12:29:42 AM
Quote from: Dragonia on November 09, 2016, 11:32:42 PM
Gah!! What is WRONG with me?? I just watched the latest episode of WD and despite how much I hate Negan, how sick and cruel he is...... am I the only one who thinks he is totally smoking HOT?  :o
It's just one more way the producers are messing with my head!!!

Well, I don't think Negan is, but the guy playing him is so it does create some confusion, yeah.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on November 10, 2016, 12:57:26 AM
Yeah.

Yeah, I do.

I'm still firmly a Daryl fan though. They're both good actors and i thoroughly enjoyed last episode for that.

Otherwise I'm still pretty over the show. It'd be good if they were just like "fuck it, here's a shitton of really bad CGI blood and why not a motherfucking tiger?!" But they take it all so seriously. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on November 10, 2016, 02:31:39 AM
Yeah, I'm still a Daryl kind of girl myself. I won't tell him that I have a secret crush on his tormentor.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 20, 2016, 08:52:09 AM
One question about last week's episode, "Service" -- has Michonne always been this bad a shot?  Nine shots taken at an increasingly close zombie and all she hit was a deer walking thru the forest, minding her own business.  Maybe because she's so good with a blade I just assumed she also knew how to handle a rifle.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 20, 2016, 11:22:28 PM
She doesn't have much experience with firearms.  She's relied on her sword to date.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2016, 03:45:42 PM
The worst part of the "mid season finale" was BF fell asleep at the beginnings and now hes going to want to watch it again tonight.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 12, 2016, 04:26:22 PM
I haven't seen it yet, just got back home yesterday, but I did see the 2nd to last one yesterday.

I don't see how Negan has lasted so long by pissing every one off, being a huge dick, while also giving all of the people he's treating like shit plenty of opportunities to kill him. It still bothers me to watch it happen, like it was written by someone with a high school level understanding of psychology who actively ignores many studies that contradict the behavior of the characters.

There still isn't enough that bothers me to the point where I stop watching the show though. I just hope that it picks up again, and I'm not talking about action, I liked the "sitting around on a farm" episodes and felt like they offered a lot more in terms of things happening per episode than most of the this first half of a season.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
Yeah, he is alone with or massively outnumbered by people who hate him a lot. It really doesn't make sense.

There's also no reward for anyone. You have to provide benefits other than "I won't horribly disfigure you or kill your loved ones" to the people closest to you. Literally everyone hates and suffers under him and no one will act. It's maddening.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 12, 2016, 07:24:30 PM
It would make a little more sense he didn't break his own rules. At least then people could justify being safe as long as they followed the rules, but he breaks and makes up rules seemingly on his own whims, so everyone is in danger all the time for almost no reward and for definitely and always being treated like shit. I could see that working with a small group of people with rare and specific issues, but any more than one or two dozen people and it becomes silly.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2016, 09:14:25 PM
I've pretty much given up on there being any rational, coherent story line. The zombies aren't even fun anymore. I'm just here for the blood and guts.  The knife to the belly was pretty cool.  I can't wait until Negan gets his. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2016, 10:41:50 PM
I enjoyed the knife to the belly. That was probably the highlight of the episode for me.

The zombies aren't even consistent though.

The boat scene pissed me right the fuck off, as those of you following me on Facebook will have seen. I guess I'll wait for Davin to catch up to get into real spoilers.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 13, 2016, 01:48:06 AM
The most surprising thing for me lately has been hearing Andrew Lincoln on The Talking Dead and being startled by how different his real voice is from his Rick-voice. 

Other than that I'm just waiting for the Kingdom to reappear.  I need more tiger.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 13, 2016, 05:34:57 PM
So out of three people "trying" to kill Negan, only Lucille got hit. That doesn't exactly build confidence. I hope they get Haircut back, he probably won't last long with that group.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 13, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
Yeah, Eugene being about the only person there capable of critical thought, he's going to suffer horribly and the group is going to be screwed.

I don't understand at all why Rick took a shot up row boat across a bog full of walkers, to get to a canoe, to get to a place that apparently wasn't not even an island?!

When they made it across I thought "wait, why the fuck aren't they tying up that canoe?" And they showed them loading up the truck on the same goddamn road they were just driving on and my brain exploded. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT WALK AROUND?

And since when do water-logged walkers have super speed, agility, and the ability to jump?

Also the ending montage of everyone simling at eachother gave me actual diabetes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 13, 2016, 07:13:41 PM
All good points.

Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 13, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
Yeah, Eugene being about the only person there capable of critical thought, he's going to suffer horribly and the group is going to be screwed.
I feel like the show always punishes reasonable people because they always tend to die... though unreasonable people die too... It just bothers me because they tend to turn them into stereo types, like an "atheist" in a movie/universe that has real angels and demons and even direct evidence of a god or at least something that looks a lot like one. But I like Eugene, and most of the people I like tend to die in shows, so he might be on his way out. I still like Michonne though and while she's not that great at communicating, she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

Quote from: Pasta ChickI don't understand at all why Rick took a shot up row boat across a bog full of walkers, to get to a canoe, to get to a place that apparently wasn't not even an island?!

When they made it across I thought "wait, why the fuck aren't they tying up that canoe?" And they showed them loading up the truck on the same goddamn road they were just driving on and my brain exploded. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT WALK AROUND?

And since when do water-logged walkers have super speed, agility, and the ability to jump?
The way I saw it, was that once they got to the boat, they were able to pull up the anchor and then move it to the shore. I also had the thought about the canoe, I mean those things are pretty useful, especially a metal one when there are water zombies. Also, the water logged zombies seemed inconsistent with other water logged zombies that have been on the show (like the one in the well).

Quote from: Pasta ChickAlso the ending montage of everyone simling at eachother gave me actual diabetes.
They seemed too happy to me, but then a lot of people seem too happy to me at times. It was a bit too much for me, but it did finally feel like something different than the same old, same old that the first half of this season had been. I get it, Negan's a dick, he has a lot of people completely loyal to him for no understandable reason, and people are going to die even if they try living under his rules so there's no reason left to not fight back.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on February 14, 2017, 03:54:16 AM
Ha ha, yeah, I was kind of excited to see more of King Ezekiel, but he's SUCH A POSER! That accent.... the deference of his side-men,  his big tame kitty cat..... its all just too much.... comic bookiness.
And why doesn't someone just snipe Negan? Man, I could totally do it. Yeah, have a back up Army, but plan this shit! I could totally work out the details.
I have to keep telling myself it's just a TV show. I think I get as aggravated at this show as some people get with sports on TV.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 14, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 14, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.

This show was never strong on acting or storyline.  The thing that made it great was zombies either ripping people up or getting smashed, and great villains.  Negan is one of the iconic villains of all time, and they need to get about the job of fighting him, getting killed and killing him, all while getting ripped by zombies and simultaneously crushing their skulls.  It's violence porn - don't try to be too cute with it.  Be true to your core perversions.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 14, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
I've been saying for a while they need to either focus on their story and make it worth following, or just drop all pretenses and focus on making things deliberately well crafted over the topness that doesn't take itself seriously. This thing where they try to do both is bullshit.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Bad Penny II on February 15, 2017, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 14, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 14, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
Not impressed.  Ricks group gave up their weapons to the Kingdom people and got surrounded by the other group at the end.  Can you imagine the Saviors allowing that?  And I can't handle King Ezekiel.  Time for some wholesale carnage.

This was super stupid too because they were like "we need your two guns" and then let them walk in covered in knives and swords.

This show was never strong on acting or storyline.  The thing that made it great was zombies either ripping people up or getting smashed, and great villains.  Negan is one of the iconic villains of all time, and they need to get about the job of fighting him, getting killed and killing him, all while getting ripped by zombies and simultaneously crushing their skulls.  It's violence porn - don't try to be too cute with it.  Be true to your core perversions.

I don't know if Pasta shares your core perversion, I don't  think I do, or at least my perversion is more refined, more subtle, perhaps it's just inhibited.  The exacting of vengeance stories, I can silently cheer the protagonist as he  or super she does their thing. 

I don't get anything out of watching WDs killing their zombies, might as well watch someone smash a pumpkin.  Well not a fresh pumpkin, that would be wasteful and I'd have a moral objection.  Might as well watch someone smash a rotten pumpkin.  Why don't they just kill all the zombies? it shouldn't take long, if they treated it like a job, didn't sit around all day indulging their weapons fetish.  Get a dozer going and bang some saucepans together for fk sake, this series could have been sorted four seasons ago.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on February 17, 2017, 07:30:53 PM
So I had a random thought. The binding of Isaac came up again and someone asked why the god would do such a thing. And while the scene wasn't very compelling to me, and ranks somewhere on the bottom of all the scenes in the show for me. The part where Negan tells Rick to cut his son's hand off came up in my brain.

So Negan wanted to break Rick and show Rick that he was the boss. He only "forgave" Rick and let Rick off the hook when he felt that Rick got the message.

And now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like an apt comparison if the god of Abraham (not the Abraham that got brained), existed and did such a thing, I think that would be the purpose. Not necessarily for the god's sake, but so that Abraham knew who was calling the shots.

Anyway, it was just a random thing I wanted to get out before I started taking it too seriously.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on February 17, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
^^^Back in October, I had the same thought. Interesting parallels.....
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 20, 2017, 02:50:01 AM
Has this show jumped the shark?  The Garbage People, the Porcu-Zombie -  the characters get stranger and stranger.  I'm having a hard time respecting Rick, too.  I need Carol to go ape-shit on someone soon or I'm going to lose faith. But she's so fragile Daryl can't  tell her about people dying.

I could half-way believe most of the groups encountered, such as the Governors group, Terminus and even the Saviors, but the Kingdom and now the Landfill group have gone too far.  This is no longer a story about real people in an apocalyptic setting, but has crossed some line of believeability. I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 20, 2017, 05:56:46 PM
The garbage people are so cliche I can't even.

I mean FFS just call it a Thunderdome and be done with it.

Ezekiel keeping his tiger in a giant cage in some basement that apparently just anyone can walk in to is fucking weird. I have no idea what they're getting at with that scene. If Daryl were still some kind of transitional character we didn't know yet it would be symbolic of his inherent goodness but they've spent 6 seasons beating us over the head with the hardass has a heart of gold cliche now.

The show continues to make his character dumb as a box of rocks too. Leaving the Kingdom makes no sense at all. I know he doesn't want to be there which is understandable, but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see he is useful there as well as not likely to be killed on sight. I mean, what is he going to do at Hilltop? Whine that Morgan sucks while Rick bumbles round looking for guns and hope what's his face doesn't kill Carol?

Morgans character is unnecessarily sucking as well. His thoughts about an assassination over a war and such are valid, and everyone is just ignoring it because war plays better to fans. So instead of being interesting and introspective he's just an indecisive wuss.

I hope to hell the next 5 episodes are not dedicated entirely to finding guns.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 20, 2017, 11:18:58 PM
Agree with all you say.  The show has lost its way and is traveling down the Pathway of the Absurd.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on February 27, 2017, 11:36:29 PM
EUGENE EPISODE!!!!!!

I loved it, actually. I have no complaints except that I don't think the show will properly utilize anything that happened.

Also, they played They Might Be Giants in Eugene's episode, which is maybe the most perfect thing ever.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on March 01, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
I do agree that this was a good episode. I love Eugene's nerdy way of language. And I loved watching him get more confident as he started weaving his lies again. This guy has some serious issues, but a VERY strong sense of self-preservation. I hope it doesn't ruin him. Because I like Eugene.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 01, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Eugene and Father Gabriel are my current favorite characters. I'm a little afraid of seeing either get a lot of screen time because I feel like the show makes its popular characters into walking stereotypes for fan service.

And I'd still totally bang Daryl but I hate what his character has turned in to.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 01, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on February 27, 2017, 11:36:29 PM
EUGENE EPISODE!!!!!!

I loved it, actually. I have no complaints except that I don't think the show will properly utilize anything that happened.

Also, they played They Might Be Giants in Eugene's episode, which is maybe the most perfect thing ever.

This was definitely better than the first two episodes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on March 02, 2017, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 01, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Eugene and Father Gabriel are my current favorite characters. I'm a little afraid of seeing either get a lot of screen time because I feel like the show makes its popular characters into walking stereotypes for fan service.

And I'd still totally bang Daryl but I hate what his character has turned in to.
Ach,  one doesn't need good character to still be good in the sack!  :smug:
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dragonia on March 02, 2017, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 01, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Eugene and Father Gabriel are my current favorite characters. I'm a little afraid of seeing either get a lot of screen time because I feel like the show makes its popular characters into walking stereotypes for fan service.

And I'd still totally bang Daryl but I hate what his character has turned in to.
Ach,  one doesn't need good character to still be good in the sack!  :smug:

Help me understand.  Is it the bad boy image, or that he is a rebel, or the motorcycle, or the crossbow, or the permanent scowl, or the Cherokee Rose episode, or what?  What's the attraction to Daryl?.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on March 02, 2017, 03:30:55 AM
Kind of a funny question.... The reasons I think he's hot: He's quiet, gruff, total bad ass with a crossbow,  good in stressful situations, super capable survivor, and you get glimpses of a good generous heart beneath that slightly bitchy, aloof exterior. Plus he does have that greasy bad-boy look in leather on a motorcycle.....  :tellmemore:
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 02, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dragonia on March 02, 2017, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 01, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Eugene and Father Gabriel are my current favorite characters. I'm a little afraid of seeing either get a lot of screen time because I feel like the show makes its popular characters into walking stereotypes for fan service.

And I'd still totally bang Daryl but I hate what his character has turned in to.
Ach,  one doesn't need good character to still be good in the sack!  :smug:

Help me understand.  Is it the bad boy image, or that he is a rebel, or the motorcycle, or the crossbow, or the permanent scowl, or the Cherokee Rose episode, or what?  What's the attraction to Daryl?.

I've always been into gross dudes with longhair. Idk what everyone else's deal is.

Also there are a good deal of long standing Reedus fans from Boondock Saints.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 12:33:12 PM
Thanks for the responses regarding Daryl.  I was curious, as Daryl does seem to be quite attractive to a significant number of women.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 02, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
I think theres a significant amount of "I can fix him!!" too.

Which... No.

Otherwise I really don't get it - I've been made fun of for my taste in men my entire life so when I find someone attractive I don't expect anyone else to. Short of like, Brad Pitt because obviously.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 02, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
I think theres a significant amount of "I can fix him!!" too.

That instinct has probably led to incalculable female suffering.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 02, 2017, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 02, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
I think theres a significant amount of "I can fix him!!" too.

That instinct has probably led to incalculable female suffering.

Also 100% why Fifty Shades of Grey is a thing.

(That and most people apparently have really boring sex).
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 14, 2017, 04:15:06 PM
I don't even know what the fuck with this show anymore.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on March 14, 2017, 05:09:17 PM
Aside from the clear hints that the kid was on his way out, I felt fewer cringe moments this episode than most other recent episodes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 14, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
I find clear hints obnoxious. BF or I called this exact chain of events like 4 episodes ago. Which goes to show how freaking slow this show is. Carol pulling her shit together is cool. Morgan not really being over his "clear" days makes sense. The entire thing with Richard was just weird though. I don't really know how to process that.

Last episode was so awful I can't even address it. I can't stand the Rick and Michonne relationship to start with. And I cannot for the life of me figure out how they are somehow able to run through hoards unscathed now?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 14, 2017, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 14, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
I find clear hints obnoxious. BF or I called this exact chain of events like 4 episodes ago. Which goes to show how freaking slow this show is. Carol pulling her shit together is cool. Morgan not really being over his "clear" days makes sense. The entire thing with Richard was just weird though. I don't really know how to process that.

Last episode was so awful I can't even address it. I can't stand the Rick and Michonne relationship to start with. And I cannot for the life of me figure out how they are somehow able to run through hoards unscathed now?

My wife says the same thing about Rick and Michonne - does not compute.  I think Carol is about to save the show.  Someone sure needs to, because it's on the verge of truly jumping the shark.  Yet I continue to watch.

Agreed on Richard - I still don't understand what that was all about.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 14, 2017, 09:16:10 PM
As far as I can tell, Rick is with Andrea in the comic, but the show killed Andrea in season 3. Fans like Rick and Michonne so they made it a thing, because pandering to fans is the most important part of TWD production.

I feel like, well, for one thing we don't really know Michonne. She's more of a vague badass for most of the show, although we know from seeing her with Andrea and Judith that she has a tendency toward seeking companionship and care taking we don't see much of her in those roles. Rick is just a fucking lunatic, who up until the end of last season was super into vapid white soccer moms in need of saving.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 20, 2017, 02:50:20 PM
I didn't hate this episode too much except I'm hung up on wall art in the apocalypse.

Did anyone else catch the lobster bibs hung on the wall of Jesus' trailer like a painting?

Pretty much everyone is dead. You could probably walk right up and steal the Mona Lisa. And you guys are hanging literal garbage on your walls.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 20, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 20, 2017, 02:50:20 PM
I didn't hate this episode too much except I'm hung up on wall art in the apocalypse.

Did anyone else catch the lobster bibs hung on the wall of Jesus' trailer like a painting?

Pretty much everyone is dead. You could probably walk right up and steal the Mona Lisa. And you guys are hanging literal garbage on your walls.

Sasha and Rosita should have taken a shot at Negan when they had the chance.  Even if they hit Eugene, it would have been worth the attempt.  Cut off the snake's head and the rest of the snake dies.  Simon is about the only other strong leader with the Saviors, and he's out and about, so they could dispatch him rather easily.  So far, Carl, Sasha and Rosita have failed as assassins.  Looks like Sasha is making a suicide run - odds are she will be dead pretty soon.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on March 20, 2017, 07:02:17 PM
I have a lot of issues with the whole sniper plot line. Like, maybe try not walking around talking at full volume between hanging your entire rifle out the window.

Eugenes story line continues to be of interest to me.

I assume Rosita is about to die, since we just saw our first real character development on her.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 27, 2017, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2017, 02:33:45 AM

Help me understand.  Is it the bad boy image, or that he is a rebel, or the motorcycle, or the crossbow, or the permanent scowl, or the Cherokee Rose episode, or what?  What's the attraction to Daryl?.

Daryl's a diamond in the rough -- you can't take him any place fancy, but you can count on him when life goes sideways.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 27, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
After a season of Savior storylines, the only interest I can work up for Negan is trying to decide whether he's a psychopath or a sociopath, which is frustrating because I like the actor playing him.  I actually find Negan's chief henchman Simon more interesting, if equally vile.  Would be interested in his back story.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 27, 2017, 03:20:15 PM
They actually showed a bit of butt-crack on Negan last night when he bent down to talk to Sasha.  I guess it says something about me that I noticed that.  Negan is turning into one of the better villains on the screen, but I agree that Simon is a pretty good second.  Now Rick's group has guns.  There will be blood. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 03, 2017, 10:12:24 AM
Season finale:  Shiva attacking Saviors, walker Sasha attacking Negan.  Overall rating: satisfied.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on April 03, 2017, 04:38:43 PM
Hopefully, they'll start acting smarter from now on.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 03, 2017, 06:46:46 PM
Basically lost respect for Rick.  He gets fooled by the Garbage People, lets their leader get the drop on him, tries to make a weak plea before she shoots him, then ends up kneeling before Negan again, before getting bailed out by a tiger.  The other regulars put up a good fight.  Time for Rick to be impeached.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 03, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 03, 2017, 06:46:46 PM
Basically lost respect for Rick.  He gets fooled by the Garbage People, lets their leader get the drop on him, tries to make a weak plea before she shoots him, then ends up kneeling before Negan again, before getting bailed out by a tiger.  The other regulars put up a good fight.  Time for Rick to be impeached.

To me Rick's main problem is that he's stuck being in charge when he's not qualified for more than right hand man of the guy in charge.  I'm not sure if this is deliberate on the writers part, or if it's one of the areas where the story just got away from them.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2017, 01:08:37 AM
As much as I never warmed up to the Abraham character, once again last night he had my favorite line:  "We kick shit and eat snakes.  That's what we do."  Got to hand it to whoever thought of adding the "eat snakes" to that, it really was the cherry on top.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 01:50:28 AM
I liked Abraham as a fighter. Outside of that he was kind of giant douche. I get why Rosita was with him (although she could do better) but I never got what Sasha saw in him. Especially after Bob, who was pretty awesome.

The whole thing was too ridiculous for words. I spent half the episode thinking "Christ are we really doing this AGAIN?" And then boom, tiger. Because why the fuck not?

And again with the garbage people - not only have you almost completely lost the ability to speak coherently, you also forgot all basic social norms? Like women don't own men and trade them off for sex? BF's theory is that they were somehow isolated and living in the garbage for generations before the zombie outbreak.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2017, 05:44:28 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 01:50:28 AM
I liked Abraham as a fighter. Outside of that he was kind of giant douche. I get why Rosita was with him (although she could do better) but I never got what Sasha saw in him. Especially after Bob, who was pretty awesome.

Damn.  I have completely forgotten who Bob is.  Definitely agree about the "what the hell?" quality of Abraham and Sasha together.  It's even weirder than Rick and Michonne.  There's a lot of fan flack about racism being why people can't see those couples, and that may be part of it -- who am I to say?  I don't think it's all racism tho, since Carol and Ezekiel seem to me to have plenty of chemistry and make sense as a couple.

QuoteThe whole thing was too ridiculous for words. I spent half the episode thinking "Christ are we really doing this AGAIN?" And then boom, tiger. Because why the fuck not?

There's a lot of deja vu on this show.  On the other hand, Shiva is now my 3rd preferred way for Negan to die, after Rosita using any method and Rick using the axe.

QuoteAnd again with the garbage people - not only have you almost completely lost the ability to speak coherently, you also forgot all basic social norms? Like women don't own men and trade them off for sex? BF's theory is that they were somehow isolated and living in the garbage for generations before the zombie outbreak.

My theory is that they're survivors from some sort of institution, so most of them were never that articulate or much for social norms in the first place. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:16:04 AM
I'm sure there is a racist component for a lot of people, I happen to think all of the current male characters suck. Whereas many of the women are holding shit down. Thus most pairings would seem weird to me.

For Sasha and Abraham specifically my big "ew" moment was after their drive to lure the hoard, when he told her he could sense she was in to him because a man knows these things. And like two days later was hitting her up with the "how bout kids" convo.

I've been asking myself who I would pair either of them with, and I don't have an answer.

Glenn was really the only nice, rational guy on the show. And Maggie snapped him right up.

Jesus is pretty awesome, but he's gay.

Aaron (I think?) also seems pretty down to earth, but he's gay and in a relationship.

Tara is pretty fucking awesome but none of the other female leads are lesbian as far as we know, and honestly for one to come out and hook up with her now would almost certainly come off as forced pandering.

I like Ezekiel but I don't get the sense he's out for a relationship at present. But then we don't know much at all about who he really is, since he's got the King facade up most of the time (I was actually saying to BF during this episode I feel like he's quite handsome, but he spends all his time making faces and talking like he's in a Medieval Times restaurant so I can't get into it).

Father Gabriel is married to his Man of God role.

I would put money Eugene would be a fedora wearing "friend zoned" douche... I mean he used to sneak around watching Abraham bang Rosita.

We don't know much about the secondary characters like Tobin, who seems decent, albeit boring, yet interesting enough to catch Carol's attention.

I guess there aren't many men left on the show either.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:18:54 AM
Oh, I do think Daryl is going to hook up with Dwight's wife.

Which is stupid too, I just think that's where they're going with it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 04, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
What about Carl, once he grows up a few more years?  I know they seem to have paired him off with Enid, but I'm hoping she gets eaten.

I would suggest Morgan, but that man has way too much baggage and can be nearly as unstable as Rick.

I'm not sure about the King -- there's just something in his scenes with Carol that make me feel he's interested.  And since he drops the whole Camelot facade around her, I don't have a hard time imagining something coming of that.

And speaking of the Kingdom, what about Jerry?  He strikes me as the goofy but lovable teddy bear type.



Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2017, 12:14:25 PM
Dale and Herschel provided good male role models, and there was a moral thread then.  Now it's all just disjointed crap.  But I continue to watch, as I'm invested in a Negan's death.  And Simon and Dwight also must die.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on April 04, 2017, 12:29:00 PM
Is Jesus really gay? I must have missed that part. I was kind of rooting for Maggie and Jesus. I know it hasn't been very long since Glenn got whacked,  but these are strange times....
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 04, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
What about Carl, once he grows up a few more years?  I know they seem to have paired him off with Enid, but I'm hoping she gets eaten.

I thought about him, but I don't even know how old he's supposed to be. I've favored killing of Rick and letting him develop into a strong lead since season 4, but I doubt it will happen. He acts like so much of a kid at present it's tough to imagine him in that context.

QuoteI would suggest Morgan, but that man has way too much baggage and can be nearly as unstable as Rick.

Yeah, Morgan, Rick and to a lesser extent Daryl are all a little nuts and not really worth bothering with IMO

QuoteI'm not sure about the King -- there's just something in his scenes with Carol that make me feel he's interested.  And since he drops the whole Camelot facade around her, I don't have a hard time imagining something coming of that.

I could see that, but he needs more character development first. I couldn't see Sasha or Michonne with him though. Maybe he could talk his way in to Sasha's heart the way Bob did but I feel like Michonne would find it all bullshit.

QuoteAnd speaking of the Kingdom, what about Jerry?  He strikes me as the goofy but lovable teddy bear type.

Is the cobbler dude? I couldn't remember his name. I do like him but again, no real character development. I feel like he would really appreciate Rosita as a real person and just be kind to her, but I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 04, 2017, 12:14:25 PM
Dale and Herschel provided good male role models, and there was a moral thread then.  Now it's all just disjointed crap.  But I continue to watch, as I'm invested in a Nigan's death.  And Simon and Dwight also must die.

I've missed Dale immensely. Herschel too but I really liked Dale.

I miss Merle too. Not that he added anything admirable to the group but he made for interesting conflict without someone having to run in bashing skulls all the time.

And a lot of lesser characters that seemed really interesting but they used as walker bait. Like the prisoners they let join them and then immediately died.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
Quote from: Dragonia on April 04, 2017, 12:29:00 PM
Is Jesus really gay? I must have missed that part. I was kind of rooting for Maggie and Jesus. I know it hasn't been very long since Glenn got whacked,  but these are strange times....

Yeah he "came out" kinda ridiculously to Maggie last episode or two ago. They were just talking about fitting in and he mentions past BOYFRIENDS really obviously and pauses and then everything moved on. It felt forced but also glossed over to me, which is silly - either it's going to be a plot point and make sure people notice, or it's not and who gives fuck.

Also there is SO MUCH Daryl/Jesus stuff online, so I guess the should could fan pander that in to existence too...
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
I never thought I'd say this but I am so ok with Sasha being dead!

Soniqua Martin-Green Joins Confirmed Cast of Star Trek: Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/sonequa-martin-green-beams-aboard-discovery)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on April 04, 2017, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
I never thought I'd say this but I am so ok with Sasha being dead!

Soniqua Martin-Green Joins Confirmed Cast of Star Trek: Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/sonequa-martin-green-beams-aboard-discovery)
I'm OK with that too. I had hoped for a captain that wasn't a white guy, but I like still like Jason Isaacs.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 05, 2017, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 02:39:35 PM

And a lot of lesser characters that seemed really interesting but they used as walker bait. Like the prisoners they let join them and then immediately died.

The Red Shirts of the Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 05, 2017, 01:58:01 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
I never thought I'd say this but I am so ok with Sasha being dead!

Soniqua Martin-Green Joins Confirmed Cast of Star Trek: Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/sonequa-martin-green-beams-aboard-discovery)

They mentioned that on the Talking Dead, and good for her!  I'm just glad this pretty much ensures she won't come back as Negan's pet Walker in Season 8 (I don't remember seeing Walker Sasha killed).
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on April 05, 2017, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 05, 2017, 01:58:01 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 04, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
I never thought I'd say this but I am so ok with Sasha being dead!

Soniqua Martin-Green Joins Confirmed Cast of Star Trek: Discovery (http://www.startrek.com/article/sonequa-martin-green-beams-aboard-discovery)

They mentioned that on the Talking Dead, and good for her!  I'm just glad this pretty much ensures she won't come back at Negan's pet Walker in Season 8 (I don't remember seeing Walker Sasha killed).

Jesus and Maggie took her out. It wasn't well done - she was really only identifiable by her shirt and that Maggie started sobbing.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on April 05, 2017, 08:06:15 PM
^^^ Totally missed that both times I watched the episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 23, 2017, 11:54:19 AM
I won't really have much to say about the premier until, and unless, I collect my thoughts on it but I do have one observation and two questions:

Observation -- I knew, I just knew, the King was going to quote Henry V.

Question 1 -- I may have asked this before but if so I've forgotten the answer.  Is the tiger's name Sheba or Shiva?  I lean towards Sheba because of the sex, but I suppose Shiva could work too.

Question 2 -- are licorice whips now Tara's thing, like motorcycles and crossbows are Daryl's?  It seems odd.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 23, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
Very disappointed in the episode.  Rick said "only one person has to die", meaning Negan.  When they came to the compound, Negan stood in front of them without protection, and they listened to him.  Why didn't they kill him?  Irrespective of whether it was intended to be some last minute negotiation, they should have known it wouldn't work.  They should have killed him then.  The writers should have never included this scene.  Then when they did shoot they wasted hundreds of rounds of ammo shooting out windows.  I'll keep watching, but at this point it's about 1 good show for every 5. I've got too much invested to quit now, but I'm not happy.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 23, 2017, 11:07:34 PM
Yeah, it's annoying when you can see the writer's manipulation in a scene rather than have the scene just make sense. 

The big plus for me was seeing the characters I've grown fond of: the King, Carol, Morgan, Daryl, Jesus, Maggie -- even, in a weird way, Negan and Simon.  The big minus (other than silly things like the window attack) were the flash forwards or fantasy moments when everything is good in the world again.  They already did that once and it was touching, now it just feels repetitive. 

Silly thought of my own:  I would love to see Henry V performed entirely by The Kingdom, in their Kingdom garb.  Or maybe with the Saviors taking the French parts.

Biggest WTF moment: when Negan pulled out Gregory to order the Hilltop faction around.  I so wanted someone to yell out "Are you kidding with that?  Maggie's been our leader for months.  Where have you guys been?"
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2017, 02:37:59 AM
Right from the start, BF and I were irritated that super badass Daryl would stand literally right behind the delivery point of he and Dwight's little arrow message system. Way to be a super bowman there, guy.

Then a bunch of people ran around yelling, suddenly Rick was really old, then really weepy looking. We looked at eachother with an unspoken understanding that this shit was truly unbearable, and neither one of us has the will nor energy to put this much energy in to figuring out what is happening in a fictional show, turned on Family Guy reruns and fell asleep.

I'm just waiting for fans to lamely defend how deep and complex the show is without grasping that making things difficult to follow is actually just shitty writing.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 24, 2017, 03:30:08 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2017, 02:37:59 AM
I'm just waiting for fans to lamely defend how deep and complex the show is without grasping that making things difficult to follow is actually just shitty writing.

They're being "arty" don't you know.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 24, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2017, 02:37:59 AM


I'm just waiting for fans to lamely defend how deep and complex the show is without grasping that making things difficult to follow is actually just shitty writing.

This.  They have plenty to work with - a good theme, lots of action potential, good actors, many possible side plots and character developments.  But they screw it  up.  The writing is just bad.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on October 24, 2017, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on October 24, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2017, 02:37:59 AM


I'm just waiting for fans to lamely defend how deep and complex the show is without grasping that making things difficult to follow is actually just shitty writing.

This.  They have plenty to work with - a good theme, lots of action potential, good actors, many possible side plots and character developments.  But they screw it  up.  The writing is just bad.

I wonder if it has anything to do with being based on a comic book?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on October 24, 2017, 11:26:47 PM
I haven't read the graphic novels, as such things are not in my budget. But I hear the show departs dramatically from them in many ways, while at the same time drawing heavily from them.

One thing I hear Real FansTM talk about all the time is how the show is finally getting just like the comic and the rest of us posers just don't understand... To which I think I've said here before, graphic novels don't necessarily translate frame-for-frame to the screen. Even Watchmen, 300 and Sin City are not -that- closely matched, and they're really close. And if this is what the comics are like, the comics fucking suck.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on November 08, 2017, 05:36:41 PM
So... Anyone still watching? We ended up finishing episode 1nover dinner, started 2, went to bed and never picked back up. BF keeps asking me what the internet is thinking of it but as far as I can tell no one is actually watching.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 08, 2017, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 08, 2017, 05:36:41 PM
So... Anyone still watching? We ended up finishing episode 1nover dinner, started 2, went to bed and never picked back up. BF keeps asking me what the internet is thinking of it but as far as I can tell no one is actually watching.

I caught part of ep 3 but it's all still fighting.  According to Talking Dead, the hell for leather fighting is going to go on for 4 continuous episodes.  I may start watching the show again once it's over. 

Did enjoy seeing Morales from season one again, but I wish they'd spent more time on why he thought Rick a monster.  Given all the shit Negan pulls, Rick is a lesser evil by any definition.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on November 09, 2017, 06:53:39 PM
What I don't like, are that there only two kinds of people, "kill anything that moves" people and, "only kill them in battle" people. But the show has a history of killing off the rational thinkers so they're probably aren't any left.

Plus, most of the drama in the show comes from either killing someone they shouldn't or not killing someone they should. So maybe they want to keep that going.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 28, 2017, 06:52:44 AM
OK, I'm still watching the show tho not as enthusiastically as before and this last episode is really biting into my interest.

1.  I've always considered Rick emotionally unstable, but now I have to accept that he is truly a special kind of stupid.  Even after the Trash People betrayed him to Negan, Rick went back and tried to strike another deal with them.  The Trash People, whom I'm firmly convinced are all former insane asylum inmates, didn't trust him (since they're crazy but not stupid) and now have him imprisoned naked in a dumpster.  Just kill Rick now and let someone else, anyone else, lead Alexandria.

2.  Why is Maggie still pregnant but not even showing yet?  Are all of seasons 7 and 8 happening over a single weekend?

3.  And now King Ezekiel is having a Rick moment, huddled up in his throne room fondling Shiva's chain.  Whining about how he's not a real king, he just called himself one.  Dude, that's how all real kings got their start. 

4.  I may never, ever, forgive the killing of Shiva.

5.  The constant refrain of "you're going to get these people killed" really irritates me.  Most of the Saviors may be concerned solely with being protected and fed, but in general Alexandria, the Kingdom and Hilltop (aside from Gregory) seem more concerned with rebuilding society and don't mind risking life and limb for it.  They're following their leaders in hopes of a good battle plan, not protection.  And since when has Negan been all that great about keeping his people alive? 

6.  Right after Maggie says she'll kill any captive Savior who doesn't cooperate fully, the main asshole among the Saviors tries to attack a guard and escape and is not killed.  I realize the writers are probably keeping him around for additional dramatic value but seriously, way to undercut Maggie's integrity.

7.  On the other hand, thumbs up to the scene where a Savior tells Rosita "little girl, you aren't going to fire that" and doesn't even get the sentence finished before she vaporizes him with a rocket launcher.  Need more of that.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on November 28, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 28, 2017, 06:52:44 AM
7.  On the other hand, thumbs up to the scene where a Savior tells Rosita "little girl, you aren't going to fire that" and doesn't even get the sentence finished before she vaporizes him with a rocket launcher.  Need more of that.
That was a good part. But now I'm worried that she is going to either die from an off camera arrow to the head and/or become emotionally unstable. Happens when anyone becomes too strong for the situation.

I think that ties into my issues with the whole Negan thing. The situation isn't as dire as the writers wanted it to be. Negan is not as scary as they wanted him to be. And in order to make it work, they had to nerf all the strong characters. I know that writing is just making things up, but right now, it feels like they are forcing things way too hard.

A problem I see with a lot of long running shows with good actors, is that the good actors want to act. And that's all great, but a problem occurs when they finish a character arch. The good actor wants to keep having good acting moments. And they are getting paid a decent amount to act. But for viewers, seeing a character arch the same way over and over again makes the archs less satisfying.

A solution I think, would be to either have them arch in different ways or have main characters step back and let other characters get their arch.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on November 29, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
I tried to watch episode 2 again but I still couldn't make it through.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 30, 2017, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 29, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
I tried to watch episode 2 again but I still couldn't make it through.

It's circling the drain, no doubt about it. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 30, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
I'm watching, but I'm so tired of Rick that I can barely stand it.  He's caught again, by the trash people. He's a complete idiot.  I say just let Carol go Medieval on everyone and end the show on a good note. There's nothing to be learned here.  Just have Armageddon and call it a day. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 30, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 30, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
I'm watching, but I'm so tired of Rick that can barely stand it.  He's caught again, by the trash people. He's a complete idiot.  I say just let Carol go Medieval on everyone and end the show on a good note. There's nothing to be learned here.  Just have Armageddon and call it a day.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 06, 2017, 04:49:37 PM
Yeah, I feel like the show in general relies heavily upon telling you how things are supposed to be, and you're supposed to just go with it. But it doesn't actually work that way.

Rick and Daryl are supposed to be great survivalists. Instead they make one incredibly stupid decision after another and continually narrowly avoid dying. It doesn't add suspense or drama, it just makes you wonder how they've made it this far because reality is clearly not what the show supposes

Negan is supposed to be a terrifying, untouchable bad guy, but instead he just walks around like a normal dude with a bizarre attachment to sports equipment and for some reason everyone does what he says and no one bothers to kill him. It's maddening.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 06, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 06, 2017, 04:49:37 PM
Yeah, I feel like the show in general relies heavily upon telling you how things are supposed to be, and you're supposed to just go with it. But it doesn't actually work that way.

Rick and Daryl are supposed to be great survivalists. Instead they make one incredibly stupid decision after another and continually narrowly avoid dying. It doesn't add suspense or drama, it just makes you wonder how they've made it this far because reality is clearly not what the show supposes

Negan is supposed to be a terrifying, untouchable bad guy, but instead he just walks around like a normal dude with a bizarre attachment to sports equipment and for some reason everyone does what he says and no one bothers to kill him. It's maddening.

But it's like heroin - you know it's bad but you keep taking it. I have too much invested to give up now.  Maybe it will get better???
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 06, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
My little bro and his wife who got me into the show quit the show after Glen was killed off. I felt like quitting during that terrible second half of a season leading up to Negan's reveal.

To me, it was a very jarring transition. They went from learning how to survive and kick ass, to getting killed and destroyed left and right for no realistic reasons. And those "getting killed by something off screen by something that someone in the scene should have been able to easily see" shit they kept pulling was cringy as fuck. But I'll stick it out... I have to finish watching it.

And I get that they wanted to make Negan some kind of super bad ass, and while I think that Jeffrey Dean Morgan is doing a great job in the acting part of it. It just seems way too unrealistic for me to get behind.

And then last episode, they're sitting surrounded by tons of zombies and their magical solution to getting out, was to just shoot them all. Like why wasn't that on the table at all? For saving bullets? They were running out of food and water and they were worried about getting low on bullets? And they're supposed to be this kind of super power in the zombie world? They're a bunch of idiots. It's way too forced for me right now.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 07, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
I heard they are going to give Ed Sheeran a cameo on this show as well. ::)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 07, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
I heard they are going to give Ed Sheeran a cameo on this show as well. ::)

Ha!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 07, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 06, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 06, 2017, 04:49:37 PM
Yeah, I feel like the show in general relies heavily upon telling you how things are supposed to be, and you're supposed to just go with it. But it doesn't actually work that way.

Rick and Daryl are supposed to be great survivalists. Instead they make one incredibly stupid decision after another and continually narrowly avoid dying. It doesn't add suspense or drama, it just makes you wonder how they've made it this far because reality is clearly not what the show supposes

Negan is supposed to be a terrifying, untouchable bad guy, but instead he just walks around like a normal dude with a bizarre attachment to sports equipment and for some reason everyone does what he says and no one bothers to kill him. It's maddening.

But it's like heroin - you know it's bad but you keep taking it. I have too much invested to give up now.  Maybe it will get better???

I actually have just quit. I'm frustrated over having spent so much time on it and the show it could have been.

Hopefully the networks have learned something about fan pandering. I wonder what the actual ratings are?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 07, 2017, 10:30:14 PM
Apparently ratings are declining rapidly.

TWD at 6 Year Low (https://www.google.com/amp/deadline.com/2017/11/walking-dead-ratings-hit-low-six-years-andrew-lincoln-norman-reedus-amc-1202213137/amp/)

And as for killing Shiva, seriously, what do people expect? When it comes to a fight, animals are only good for killing several guys before getting taken down, saving you some man power (hopefully - tigers don't discriminate). I say the same thing to people who want a dog for protection all the time. Are you planning to run away while he's being shot/stabbed to death? Because that's what's gonna happen.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 08, 2017, 02:34:33 AM
Going cold turkey, eh?  Well, we won't tempt you with information about the mid-season finale.  Don't want you to have a relapse.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 08, 2017, 03:19:26 AM
I've tried episode 2 on three occasions now. It's not happening. I actively find reasons to do other things when it's on. At this point spoilers are just helpful reminders I'm not missing anything.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Bad Penny II on December 08, 2017, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 06, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
But it's like heroin - you know it's bad but you keep taking it. I have too much invested to give up now.  Maybe it will get better???

I don't know why Walking Dead is the HAF pet show.
I watched a few series, it is kinda crap.
Vikings is the good shit, we should've done that.
Ragnar would have had a shield wall up and hacked those slow zombie fcks...
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Davin on December 08, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
You could make a Vikings thread, I like that show.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 08, 2017, 04:54:58 PM
There was a Vikings thread at one point. I liked it but dropped out in season 2 due to scheduling conflicts. I think it was on late, and also at a time where I usually arrived home about 10 minutes in to an episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 08, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
How about a thread for "ANTIQUES ROADSHOW", PBS's 15-time Emmy® Award- nominated show? I love this show.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: AngelOfDeath on December 08, 2017, 11:46:01 PM


I'd be happy if rick got ate by the zombies.  the show has gotten so dumb
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: AngelOfDeath on December 08, 2017, 11:48:01 PM


aww, did they really kill off the stupid fake cgi tiger?  so silly
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on December 11, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
*choke*
*sniff*
I can't take this show any more.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Carl got bit. Wish it had been Rick.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 12, 2017, 02:53:32 AM
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 08, 2017, 11:48:01 PM
aww, did they really kill off the stupid fake cgi tiger?  so silly

That tiger was well on her way to becoming my favorite character.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: AngelOfDeath on December 12, 2017, 05:04:49 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Carl got bit. Wish it had been Rick.

They should have rick become a zombie, but have him be a nice zombie that doesn't bite anyone.  he'd be able to wander around in scenes but have no speaking parts any longer
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Carl got bit. Wish it had been Rick.

Granted I haven't been watching, but I can't think of any way this fits in, makes sense, or will advance the plot in a positive way. Especially if the producers really do want the show to go on forever. You can't kill off all the young people.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: AngelOfDeath on December 12, 2017, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 12, 2017, 02:53:32 AM
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 08, 2017, 11:48:01 PM
aww, did they really kill off the stupid fake cgi tiger?  so silly

That tiger was well on her way to becoming my favorite character.

when i first saw the tiger I knew the show had gone beyond silliness
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: AngelOfDeath on December 12, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Carl got bit. Wish it had been Rick.

Granted I haven't been watching, but I can't think of any way this fits in, makes sense, or will advance the plot in a positive way. Especially if the producers really do want the show to go on forever. You can't kill off all the young people.

Yea but after having carl wandering around with no eye in season 7 does anyone want him around?  that was really gross.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 07:06:15 PM
The more I read about what happened, the more angry I am with the shows producers. Apparently they had just told Chandler Riggs (Carl) they wanted him for another 3 years, information which he used when deciding to purchase a house in commuting range of their filming location. His dad is fucking rip shit pissed, and I don't blame him. Riggs has been on the show since he was 11 and just recently turned 18. I know he's an adult but there is a level of naivete to that situation as a whole and I absolutely believe he was taken advantage of.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 12, 2017, 05:04:49 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
Carl got bit. Wish it had been Rick.

They should have rick become a zombie, but have him be a nice zombie that doesn't bite anyone.  he'd be able to wander around in scenes but have no speaking parts any longer

Or just walk around getting captured and beat up all the time .... oh wait, he already does that.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 07:06:15 PM
The more I read about what happened, the more angry I am with the shows producers. Apparently they had just told Chandler Riggs (Carl) they wanted him for another 3 years, information which he used when deciding to purchase a house in commuting range of their filming location. His dad is fucking rip shit pissed, and I don't blame him. Riggs has been on the show since he was 11 and just recently turned 18. I know he's an adult but there is a level of naivete to that situation as a whole and I absolutely believe he was taken advantage of.

Yeah, Carl was a pretty interesting character and storyline. I would put him right behind Carol as far as significance.  I think they screwed up.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 12, 2017, 07:06:15 PM
The more I read about what happened, the more angry I am with the shows producers. Apparently they had just told Chandler Riggs (Carl) they wanted him for another 3 years, information which he used when deciding to purchase a house in commuting range of their filming location. His dad is fucking rip shit pissed, and I don't blame him. Riggs has been on the show since he was 11 and just recently turned 18. I know he's an adult but there is a level of naivete to that situation as a whole and I absolutely believe he was taken advantage of.

Yeah, Carl was a pretty interesting character and storyline. I would put him right behind Carol as far as significance.  I think they screwed up.

Absolutely. He has repeatedly proven the only one who can figure out to just go kill Negan, and all problems solved
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on December 13, 2017, 02:27:31 AM
I'm sure this is wishful thinking, but I heard a way that it could have been a human that bit Carl and not a zombie- a human in disguise. A "Whisperer". I don't know why a human would have got his teeth into Carl's side like that, ....I know.... I'm in denial. I have way too strong of an emotional attachment to Carl, made even worse by the fact that my son is Carl's absolute twin. He's had countless people stop us over the years and ask us for pictures, everyone at school calls him Carl.
No, I don't like this twist one bit.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Bad Penny II on December 13, 2017, 09:52:49 AM
OK so we cant just have a bulldozer go through town making that lovely Cat sound, attracting all the zombies, leading them to a park and then squashing, because reasons.

We cant have a half dozen of these sad remnants make a portable square of fencing, (the jail fence seemed to keep 'em out.)
They could stick a couple of pipes through it for carry handles, spears or pipes for deadering (1), you've got yourself a phalanx.


Does anyone outfit themselves in motor cycle attire, the full face helmet, boots and clothing designed to survive high speed bitumen slides?
OK I'll test this myself, my wife says she gets to be zombie but I'm sure it's my turn but what's the use of arguing?

Sadly the biker outfit didn't work, some areas are made to withstand contact, inner thigh not so much.
Of course she attacked with zeal, knowing where the best biting was to be had.
God help us if she every truly turns zombie full time.

Anyway I still think they're all pretty dumb, does the disease select for stupid?
What happened to the Robinson Crusoe spirit of building stuff? grumble grumble...

(1) deadering: to make deader.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
Well I'm up to speed now. It's seriously pissing me off the number of times Nagus could have been killed by Rick et. al. AND NOBODY FUCKING TOOK THE SHOT!!!

Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
I stopped watching at the end of series 6 for over a year and then my set top box started recording series 7. So I got series 7 on DVD. Binge watched that and have now watched the first 8 episodes of series 8.  :popcorn:

Now Sasha has turned up in Star Trek Discovery!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 31, 2017, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 31, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
Well I'm up to speed now. It's seriously pissing me off the number of times Nagus could have been killed by Rick et. al. AND NOBODY FUCKING TOOK THE SHOT!!!

I don't think it would matter anyway since they all seem to be really terrible shots.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 26, 2018, 10:57:56 PM
R.I.P. Carl.  There was some badassery in the season premiere, so I'm slightly hopeful things will pick up. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 27, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Questions:

Is it too early in the WD timeline to wonder how they all still seem to have an unlimited supply of gasoline and bullets?  I'd have thought those would be among the first things to run out.

Also, Morgan's disemboweling move -- would that really kill so quickly?

And am I the only one who thinks that the final edition of Carl's visions of the future show that, while he was undoubtedly innately noble and decent, he was completely delusional?
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on February 28, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
^^^I agree with all three points.
The gasoline that they use, I can kind of buy. There would be a ton of cars with tanks full of gasoline.  I think that resource could last for a long time.
The number of bullets they blow through is ridiculous. Totally not buying that one.

With Morgan ripping that guy's guts out, it's a nice dramatic scene, but I wondered the same thing. I would think that might be a slow horrifying death, probably trying to shove my guts back in and keep living. I don't know.

I think Carl was just really hopeful, as well as possibly delusional.  What I have a hard time with is.... how does Carl propose to put weapons down and have love and peace, with NEGAN prowling around with his delusions of grandeur and cruelty?  That was frustrating.

And finally, I just have to say that when Carl died, those last agonizing moments with his dad and Michonne, and then the quickly following montage of his last 8 years on the show, my whole family was a mess.  I saw my husband wipe a tear away. My son had to get up and go to bed, with tears in his eyes, and I was.... not even gonna talk about me. I did laugh at myself in the middle of crying, saying, this is so stupid! It's a tv show! Get it together!
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on February 28, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
You know you're involved when a TV show becomes a documentary to you.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 05, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
The garbage hamburger scene almost made me want to go vegetarian.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Dragonia on March 05, 2018, 06:03:45 PM
Yeah, that was pretty nasty. Did you watch Talking Dead afterwards, when they showed a replay of that scene, then put on the screen, "Chili, anyone?" HA!  :puke:

I thought for a half-second that Negan and Rick were going to have a moment of walkie-talkie solidarity.....until Rick started up and Negan started being himself.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 27, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
Well, they did not kill Rick but they did kill Jesus.  Poor Aaron, that's two lovers and one arm he's lost so far.

Yes, I'm still watching.  I am a creature of habit.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on November 27, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: Sandra Craft on November 27, 2018, 02:49:10 AM
Well, they did not kill Rick but they did kill Jesus.  Poor Aaron, that's two lovers and one arm he's lost so far.

Yes, I'm still watching.  I am a creature of habit.

I thought this was one of the better series with an interesting cliff hanger(s) with Negan escaping. I don't get the two teenage lads who would rather torment a zombie with a young lady around! And I do like Carol's hair.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 28, 2018, 01:36:45 AM
Quote from: Tank on November 27, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
I thought this was one of the better series with an interesting cliff hanger(s) with Negan escaping. I don't get the two teenage lads who would rather torment a zombie with a young lady around! And I do like Carol's hair.

Father Gabriel seems to have a habit of leaving gates and doors open that should be shut.

With the teens, I think they're trying to make the point that teenage stupidity over-rules everything.

I liked Carol's hair better when it was short, which seems to me more convenient in an apocalypse.  I don't know why Darryl keeps his long, unless it's a fashion statement.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on November 28, 2018, 08:03:25 AM
I love the way Daryl calls his dog 'Dog'  8)
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Tank on November 28, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Sandra Craft on November 28, 2018, 01:36:45 AM
Quote from: Tank on November 27, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
I thought this was one of the better series with an interesting cliff hanger(s) with Negan escaping. I don't get the two teenage lads who would rather torment a zombie with a young lady around! And I do like Carol's hair.

Father Gabriel seems to have a habit of leaving gates and doors open that should be shut.

With the teens, I think they're trying to make the point that teenage stupidity over-rules everything.

I liked Carol's hair better when it was short, which seems to me more convenient in an apocalypse.  I don't know why Darryl keeps his long, unless it's a fashion statement.

But The King probably likes something to hold on to during their rampant love making  :o
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 28, 2018, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 28, 2018, 08:03:25 AM
I love the way Daryl calls his dog 'Dog'  8)

Yeah.  It's very "him".  And about time we had a replacement for the tiger.
Title: Re: Walking Dead II
Post by: Sandra Craft on March 04, 2019, 07:43:19 AM
On The Talking Dead's preview of next week's show -- did I just see Daryl shoot Henry in the head with an arrow?