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Laid Back Lounge / Re: What's on your mind today?
« Last Post by Gloucester on Today at 01:37:31 PM »
Almost all our true southerners are addicted to ultra sweetened cold tea.  It is referred to in the regional vernacular as sweetee....all one word.   It is consumed in great quantities.by the rank and file

I am partial to hot tea with only the slightest hint of sugar, never with milk or cream. I confess that my tea of choice is usually Earl Grey which I suspect may be anathema to the more discriminate Brit.

Nope, I like Earl Grey, black with sugar. But I prefer green teas in general. However, these days it is 99.9% peppermint infusion. I tried it as an experiment because I had read that it helps with IBS, even the NHS advice site is open minded on this. Seems to work for me!

Also I am not supposed to consume caffeine.
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"Less harmless than...", in my Engish, could be written as, "not as harmless as..." this seemed to be equivalent to, "more harmful than.." to me.

Anyone else care to offer an opinion on this?

OK on the point on evolution, but nsinly semsntucs.

I was attempting to nsje thebpoint that I  am not anti-drug. I am, however, concerned about those who consume enough of sufficient psycho-active compounds, esoecially for recreational purposes, to do themselves damage, from either those compounds soecufically of the by-products of the method of their use.

This rdminds me of the devste on this matter in college, the difference between the users and non-users in approach. The users being the defensive and therefore the more aggressive side.
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Davin:
Anything specific to this discussion? I'm not going to go read several pages of information I already know to try to weed out the point you're trying to make.

Clever!

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Science / Re: Greatest Invention ever?
« Last Post by Gloucester on Today at 01:15:11 PM »
Personally if I were German I'd be seriously pissed off to see the Brits claiming they invented the jet engine. While technically true it's a fact that apart from one market (helicopters) all modern jet engines have a compressor section that follows the German axial compressor design. The radial compressor of the Whittle engine was a dead end because its cross section increases with power while the axial type increases in length. The first jet to fly was also German.

And they developed it faster and further along with the aircraft. I oncecread thst Hitler's insistance that all effort be turned towards high speed jet bombers and this actually held them back.

Whilst we in Controversyland, there is, apparently, evidence that one John Stringfellow, of Chard, England, beat the Wright brothers to powered flight.
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But since weed is mostly harmless, and there appears to be a connection to opioid addiction reduction, then why not give it a go?

Not arguing against you, Davin, anything that reduces drug overdose deaths is good - but the possibility that legalised pot msy cause long term problems, from it acting as a "gateway drug"[...]
The bottom line is, weed is mostly harmless. It's less harmless than sugar. It's less harmless than beef. It's less harmless than alcohol and way less harmless than tobacco. It's less harmless than most things we allow people to consume. There is no good reason to ban it from public consumption.

If it is less harmless than all those things you quoted then, surely, it is more harmful
lol wut?

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Yes, lots of things have heakth hazards and should be used or consumed sebsibly[...]
Everything actually.

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However we did not evolve to make use of  compounds[...]
Species do not evolve "to" anything. There are plenty of compounds that are mostly harmless even though we didn't have any evolutionary selective pressure from using or not using them. Like aspirin, aspirin is also mostly harmless.

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Less harmful but still harmfull, useful as a medication for those who standard painkillers are not suffiecient and opioids a social or medical problem - but that can be a boring pill.
I'm having trouble parsing this sentence.

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If hemp pills were available here and I was told they would relieve my various age related pains, or even my heart condition, i would sign up for the pills tomorrow. But I would never smoje the stuff!
That's great! But what do your personal choices have to do with supporting the restriction of other peoples personal choices?

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Info here on health, physical and mental, problems from marijuana.
Anything specific to this discussion? I'm not going to go read several pages of information I already know to try to weed out the point you're trying to make.
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Music / Re: What are you listening to?
« Last Post by Tom62 on Today at 01:08:18 PM »
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Science / Re: Greatest Invention ever?
« Last Post by Tank on Today at 01:04:40 PM »
Personally if I were German I'd be seriously pissed off to see the Brits claiming they invented the jet engine. While technically true it's a fact that apart from one market (helicopters) all modern jet engines have a compressor section that follows the German axial compressor design. The radial compressor of the Whittle engine was a dead end because its cross section increases with power while the axial type increases in length. The first jet to fly was also German.
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But since weed is mostly harmless, and there appears to be a connection to opioid addiction reduction, then why not give it a go?

Not arguing against you, Davin, anything that reduces drug overdose deaths is good - but the possibility that legalised pot msy cause long term problems, from it acting as a "gateway drug"[...]
The bottom line is, weed is mostly harmless. It's less harmless than sugar. It's less harmless than beef. It's less harmless than alcohol and way less harmless than tobacco. It's less harmless than most things we allow people to consume. There is no good reason to ban it from public consumption.

If it is less harmless than all those things you quoted then, surely, it is more harmful?

Yes, lots of things have health hazards attached and should be used or consumed sensibly, I eat very little red neat now and have even reduced my meat intake in general. But, as omnivores evolved for a varied diet, needing complex compounds from all food groups, "adequate intake" is a good rule.

However we did not evolve to make use of  compounds that are possibly part of a plants defence mechanism, compounds designed to damage the eater. We will have evolved a degree of tolerance to these, even a taste for some. Certainly the taste for the psycho-active effects of some! A neighbour has smoked pot for years, but not tobacco. He now suffers from COPD.

Less harmful but still harmfull, useful as a medication for those who standard painkillers are not suffiecient and opioids a social or medical problem - but that can be a boring pill.

If hemp pills were available here and I was told they would relieve my various age related pains, or even my heart condition, I would sign up for the pills tomorrow. But I would never smoke the stuff!

Info here on health, physical and mental, problems from marijuana.

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Laid Back Lounge / Re: Multi-Association Thread
« Last Post by Recusant on Today at 12:49:22 PM »
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It doesn't help that the current US Attorney General is a fucking 'reefer madness'/stomp on the necks of swarthy people ideologue.

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions told a gathering of law enforcement officials in Richmond, Virginia last week that legalizing marijuana would not make the United States "a better place," and he is "astonished" by the suggestion that cannabis could be used to combat the nation's "heroin crisis." Two days later, New Mexico -- which has suffered from by high rates of opiate-related deaths for years -- moved to do just that.

On Friday, New Mexico's legislature approved a bill that would make patients diagnosed with opiate disorders eligible for the state's medical marijuana program. The idea already has the blessing of the state's Medical Advisory Board, and if approved by the governor, New Mexico would become the first state to specifically to put opiate disorders on its list of conditions that can be treated with cannabis products.

A growing field of research suggests that medical cannabis can be used for opiate replacement therapy and as a safer substitute for prescription painkillers, resulting in dramatic drops in dependency, overdose deaths and hospitalizations. In some parts of the country, patients with opiate disorders are already being treated with cannabis products.  Last year, researchers echoed findings in earlier studies and determined that the number of prescriptions filled by Medicare dropped significantly in states with medical marijuana programs.

The findings, along with New Mexico's innovative legislation, are cause for excitement in the worlds of medicine and drug reform as the US confronts an opiate overdose epidemic. But for ultra-conservatives like Sessions, de-stigmatizing marijuana -- and suggesting that it could help solve drug-related problems instead of create them -- is an affront to the longstanding tradition of demonizing drugs and drug users in the name of the war on drugs. This decades-long war has cost over $1 trillion and greatly expanded the power of law enforcement at the expense of marginalized people, and Sessions seems reluctant to give that power up now that he is the nation's top cop.

In Richmond, Sessions acknowledged that his beliefs about drugs may be "unfashionable," but that doesn't matter because lives are at stake. His prepared remarks were posted online before the event, and he reportedly veered off script, skipping a line declaring marijuana use to be "only slightly less awful" than heroin after catching some flack on Twitter. The prepared speech is still available on the Justice Department's website.

"Sessions is basically saying [that] legalizing marijuana will increase our rates opiate deaths -- in fact, it's the reverse," said Emily Kaltenbach, a reform strategist for the Drug Policy Alliance in New Mexico. "He's not recognizing that, in fact, marijuana is an exit drug, not a gateway drug."

Sessions, who called for a return to anti-drug programs like Nancy Reagan's failed "Just Say No" campaign of the 1980s and '90s, is apparently nostalgic for the "reefer madness" of yesteryear. Marijuana is far less addictive than opiates, and it does not cause debilitating physical withdrawals like those suffered by people with opiate use disorders. In 2015, 33,000 people nationwide died of opiate an overdose, while the number of marijuana overdose deaths stayed at a steady zero. The medical marijuana industry now offers an array of treatments, including smokeless medicines and low-THC products that cause minimal intoxication.

This isn't the first time the nation's new attorney general has seemed out of touch when it comes to drugs. Drug policy reformers fiercely opposed Sessions' confirmation, citing his career-long history of favoring mass incarceration over drug treatment and recovery. Most recently, he helped block bipartisan sentencing reform in the Senate, which many advocates say would be an important step toward scaling back the war on drugs and its brutal impact on communities of color.

Critics say Sessions' harsh policies fell hardest on Black folks when he served as attorney general of Alabama, and he has a history of making racist statements. For example, Sessions once remarked that he thought the Klu Klux Klan was "OK until I found out that they smoked pot."

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