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Obama's Social Security Number Challenged

Started by AnimatedDirt, July 05, 2012, 09:40:52 PM

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fester30

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 06, 2012, 04:07:33 AM
Quote from: Recusant on July 06, 2012, 12:50:52 AM
In my opinion, it's in matters of policy that he has proven untrustworthy: He campaigned on a platform of reversing dreadful and (in my opinion) unconstitutional policies instituted by the George W. Bush administration; power grabs by the executive branch and destruction of checks on government intrusion into the lives of its citizens, broad reading of the "Authorization for Use of Military Force," and so on. His administration has, rather than reversing such policies, defended them and built on them. The only reason I could be considered a supporter of President Obama is because I think that his opponent is a blatant stooge of the megacorporations (among other things) who would be even worse.

Yeah, this.  Obama is far less of a liberal than I'd hoped for, but on the other hand he's still not a Republican which these days is a huge point in his favor. 

I've voted for Republicans before, and I hope some day I'll be able to do it again, but right now being bat-shit crazy seems a requirement for a Repub running for office and I'm sorry, but no way.  They actually make me happy to put up with a disappointing Democrat.


I'm on the same page with respect to Republicans.  There may be hope, however, as this year's Young Guns, a title given to young, up and coming Republicans, aren't all agreeing to sign Grover Norquist's pledge.  Perhaps there is a generation of Republicans brewing ready to actually think for themselves and be ready to do what is right for the country rather than sign pledges that handcuff them.

Ali

Quote from: fester30 on July 06, 2012, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 06, 2012, 04:07:33 AM
Quote from: Recusant on July 06, 2012, 12:50:52 AM
In my opinion, it's in matters of policy that he has proven untrustworthy: He campaigned on a platform of reversing dreadful and (in my opinion) unconstitutional policies instituted by the George W. Bush administration; power grabs by the executive branch and destruction of checks on government intrusion into the lives of its citizens, broad reading of the "Authorization for Use of Military Force," and so on. His administration has, rather than reversing such policies, defended them and built on them. The only reason I could be considered a supporter of President Obama is because I think that his opponent is a blatant stooge of the megacorporations (among other things) who would be even worse.

Yeah, this.  Obama is far less of a liberal than I'd hoped for, but on the other hand he's still not a Republican which these days is a huge point in his favor. 

I've voted for Republicans before, and I hope some day I'll be able to do it again, but right now being bat-shit crazy seems a requirement for a Repub running for office and I'm sorry, but no way.  They actually make me happy to put up with a disappointing Democrat.


I'm on the same page with respect to Republicans.  There may be hope, however, as this year's Young Guns, a title given to young, up and coming Republicans, aren't all agreeing to sign Grover Norquist's pledge.  Perhaps there is a generation of Republicans brewing ready to actually think for themselves and be ready to do what is right for the country rather than sign pledges that handcuff them.

I rather like Megan McCain (from what I know about her.)  If being a Repub went back to just being  fiscally conservative, I probably still wouldn't agree with them (I have different ideas about social responsibility than they do, usually) but I wouldn't consider them crazy and evil.  I'm willing to believe that people can be kind, smart, empathetic human beings, and still disagree with me about fiscal policy.  But this current crop of Tea Party/Conservative Christians/Corporate Toadies are like the predictable trite 1D bad guys in a siutation comedy. 

Crow

Do you know why the States has such a bad image with the rest of the world? Its not the people, its not the democrats, its not the bible belt, or capitalism, it is the Republicans.

I still want to know why people don't like Obama so much, is it because he speaks so slowly?
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markmcdaniel

It is time for a logic check. The person who is supposed to hold the same number as Obama was born in 1890 and the card was issued between 1977 and 1979. This would make the recipient about 87 to 89 years old at the time of the cards issue. As the Social Security Act was signed into law in 1935 and the first taxes were collected in 1937 this person should have applied for a number 50 years prior to  the issue of the number in question. This alone is enough to make me skeptical. Even assuming that there is a double issue of this number there is a much more likely scenario to explain this than fraud. The explanation is that it was an administrative error. This explanation is both simpler and more logical.
It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds which follows from the advance of science - Charles Darwin

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the object of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a god, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. - Albert Einstein

Religion is a by product of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity. - Arther C. Clarke

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Asmodean

Do they recycle the numbers if whoever is holding them dies?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Asmodean on July 06, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Do they recycle the numbers if whoever is holding them dies?

QuoteQ20:  Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?

A:  No. We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder's death. Even though we have issued over 453 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.

Source:  SSA Frequently Asked Questions

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Crow on July 06, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Do you know why the States has such a bad image with the rest of the world? Its not the people, its not the democrats, its not the bible belt, or capitalism, it is the Republicans.

I still want to know why people don't like Obama so much, is it because he speaks so slowly?

I'm not entirely sure why people don't like Obama either.  ???

It's like they just pick on him to pick on him. He is attempting to clean up the bullshit George Bush left behind for 8years. That's a huge shovel.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

fester30

Since cable news became a big deal, the political spectrum seems to me to have become more polarized.  They hate Obama because he's not their guy.  Because he's not their guy, they play up every angle they can to make him look bad so their guy can win.  They play up racial stereotypes to anger the bigots to get them to the voting booth.  They give a voice to the birthers so that we hear them say he's not American.  They play up his Senate voting record to say he's the most socialist politician in America.  They play up any bad news in the economy or gas prices as Obama's fault, and any good news as happening despite Obama. 

They do these things because they want their guy to get elected.  By "they," I mean the Limbaughs, the O'Reillys,and  the Hannitys of the country.  I don't think his approval rating would be as low as it is if Americans had actual facts to judge him by.  The disinformation being put out there by the loudest voices on cable and radio is actually having an effect.  I don't blame the average person for believing this stuff.  It's not the average American's fault we're becoming more stupid as a country. 

Asmodean

Quote from: fester30 on July 07, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
It's not the average American's fault we're becoming more stupid as a country. 
Isn't it though? For not doing anything about it?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

OldGit

Our UK politics is a nauseating swamp of filth but in the US it's much, much nastier. :D

fester30

Quote from: Asmodean on July 07, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: fester30 on July 07, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
It's not the average American's fault we're becoming more stupid as a country. 
Isn't it though? For not doing anything about it?

There are many websites and efforts to debunk and fact check those on the fringe elements of politics that try to dupe the rest of us with their warped statistics and outright lies.  We each have the power of our vote.  However, when it comes to the education of the common American in the issues, TV is more powerful than the individual.  Fox News' strategy of finding viewers with certain religious and conservative values, and roping them in by highlighting supposed injustices against the religious and conservative, and then feeding them neo-conservative, Tea Party rhetoric under the guise of Fair and Balanced and We Report, You Decide, is extremely effective.  They make their viewers believe that Fox News is presenting all sides fairly, and that it's the viewer that is smart enough to make up their own minds, while the whole time everything is from a shade of the ultra conservative in both presentation and in which stories to report.  Then, when we have entities such as the Supreme Court allowing companies and individuals spend whatever they want on campaign financing, the voice of the rich conservatives far outweigh the voice of the common independent or even the rich liberals.  Common people just don't have enough time in the day to research things on their own, so they trust that magic box in front of them.

Ali

Quote from: fester30 on July 07, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on July 07, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: fester30 on July 07, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
It's not the average American's fault we're becoming more stupid as a country. 
Isn't it though? For not doing anything about it?

There are many websites and efforts to debunk and fact check those on the fringe elements of politics that try to dupe the rest of us with their warped statistics and outright lies.  We each have the power of our vote.  However, when it comes to the education of the common American in the issues, TV is more powerful than the individual.  Fox News' strategy of finding viewers with certain religious and conservative values, and roping them in by highlighting supposed injustices against the religious and conservative, and then feeding them neo-conservative, Tea Party rhetoric under the guise of Fair and Balanced and We Report, You Decide, is extremely effective.  They make their viewers believe that Fox News is presenting all sides fairly, and that it's the viewer that is smart enough to make up their own minds, while the whole time everything is from a shade of the ultra conservative in both presentation and in which stories to report.  Then, when we have entities such as the Supreme Court allowing companies and individuals spend whatever they want on campaign financing, the voice of the rich conservatives far outweigh the voice of the common independent or even the rich liberals.  Common people just don't have enough time in the day to research things on their own, so they trust that magic box in front of them.

I don't know if I believe that the common people just don't have time to know better.  I think it's more likely that news channels like Fox play into their already existing beliefs and biases, and that's why they like it. 

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: fester30 on July 07, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
Common people just don't have enough time in the day to research things on their own, so they trust that magic box in front of them.

I don't think you need to do any research to be able to see that Fox, or programs like it, are a load of bunk. And that's not just because it doesn't align with my political views. If you have any amount of critical thinking skills at all, the kind of loaded rhetoric they use should raise some red flags. I think people watch Fox because they don't WANT to have to think critically. It's like PETA. You're not going to go to the PETA webpage for a "fair and balanced" view on omnivore nutrition, you're going to go there because you've already made up your mind and you want an organization to vehemently validate your black and white views.  
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Asmodean

What I meant was that with the amount of bad information floating out there disguised as legitimate facts, it is every average Joe's responsibility to choose his news sources with more care than "whatever's on the tube when I press the button"
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Asmodean

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on July 07, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
It's like PETA. You're not going to go to the PETA webpage for a "fair and balanced" view on omnivore nutrition, you're going to go there because you've already made up your mind and you want an organization to vehemently validate your black and white views.  
And thus, a perfect example of confirmatory bias is born  :D
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.