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According to Dredge: Abiogenesis is Magic

Started by Dredge, December 30, 2016, 05:23:33 AM

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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Dredge on February 01, 2017, 05:04:30 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on January 28, 2017, 08:06:20 AM
In the case of the Universe, life or human eye, for that matter, they sort-of only appear designed to those without the knowledge or understanding of their workings.
Huh?  The more I learn about how organisms and their organs and cells work, the more I'm convinced they're designed.

They're designed by natural processes, which makes it all the more wonderous.

You're projecting agency, which is perfectly natural, so don't feel bad about that. ;) Thinking is more difficult. There's a good evolutionary explanation for why humans do that.   
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

Famous example of unintelligent design: the laryngeal nerve in animals with necks. Here they take the longest neck in the animal kingdom to demonstrate just how unintelligent a designer with foresight would be. 

I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Dave

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 01, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
Famous example of unintelligent design: the laryngeal nerve in animals with necks. Here they take the longest neck in the animal kingdom to demonstrate just how unintelligent a designer with foresight would be. 



Excellent, good link xSP!

Perhaps Big G was a designer, just not intelligent? Met some of those in the engineering industry.
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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Gloucester on February 01, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Perhaps Big G was a designer, just not intelligent? Met some of those in the engineering industry.

Could be, though that's not what his minions say.  ;) 

I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Recusant

Human beings are walking, talking examples of unintelligent design. There's the commonly cited "Who in their right mind puts a playground next to a sewage plant?" but it goes well beyond that. The linked article lists ten, but there are more, and even some of the examples given don't actually elucidate all the problems in the area discussed. The Wikipedia article on the dysteleological argument gives a few more.
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Dave

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 01, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on February 01, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Perhaps Big G was a designer, just not intelligent? Met some of those in the engineering industry.

Could be, though that's not what his minions say.  ;)

Tsk, what do they know about anything?
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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Gloucester on February 01, 2017, 09:52:50 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 01, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on February 01, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Perhaps Big G was a designer, just not intelligent? Met some of those in the engineering industry.

Could be, though that's not what his minions say.  ;)

Tsk, what do they know about anything?

According to them, basically everything. :lol:
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

I found an example of intelligent design!

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Dredge

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
Quote from: Dredge on January 31, 2017, 12:05:31 AMSpeciation is repeatedly observed and confirmed?

Yes.
Can you cite an example of speciation, please?

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
Do yourself a favour and stop looking at crap such as Answers in Genesis for what you think are answers.
I've heard of Answers in Genesis but I've never actually visited that site.
Follow the evidence wherever it leads.

Dredge

Quote from: Asmodean on January 31, 2017, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: Dredge on January 31, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Organisms can't make themselves. God created them all.
What makes you think it was god? Why could it not have been Xzilotz, visiting from planet Axvkshaz, who dragged in some local microflora on his space boots?
Hypothesises of alien-seeding or panspermia are the result of desperation and are just passing the abiogenesis buck.  Life is a miracle that science cannot and never will explain.   Who can perform miracles, I wonder?

Besides, Xzilotz's speciality was genetic cloning; he never came up with anything original, in my opinion.  And did anything good ever come from Axvkshaz?  I've never been impressed by anyone from that planet - all talk and no action.   Maybe Stephen Hawking's ancestors were from Axvkshaaz?  He's all talk and no action - a bullsh.t artist masquerading as a scientist.
Follow the evidence wherever it leads.

Dredge

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 28, 2017, 12:56:15 PM.There are many hypothesis surrounding abiogenesis, it's a bit too early to talk about facts yet.
I'm not talking about hypothesises about how abiogenesis occurred.  As an atheist you would believe it to be fact that the first life form arose from inanimate matter as a result of some natural, but mindless process, would you not?
Follow the evidence wherever it leads.

Dave

#326
Quote from: Dredge on February 04, 2017, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 28, 2017, 12:56:15 PM.There are many hypothesis surrounding abiogenesis, it's a bit too early to talk about facts yet.
I'm not talking about hypothesises about how abiogenesis occurred.  As an atheist you would believe it to be fact that the first life form arose from inanimate matter as a result of some natural, but mindless process, would you not?

As an atheist with a scientific approach I do not "believe" life came from inanimate matter. But I do accept that, with our current understanding of the nature of the Universe, that hypothesis has the most going for it. Accepted with reservations, with the door left fully open for more demonstrable fact. Either way.

Belief, in this usage, is the prerogative of woo and its followers.

Corrected later, I put "theory" where I should have put "hypothesis".

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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Dredge on February 04, 2017, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 28, 2017, 12:56:15 PM.There are many hypothesis surrounding abiogenesis, it's a bit too early to talk about facts yet.
I'm not talking about hypothesises about how abiogenesis occurred.  As an atheist you would believe it to be fact that the first life form arose from inanimate matter as a result of some natural, but mindless process, would you not?

:d'oh!:

I don't think you've been paying attention, or are just ignorant. Probably the latter. Or both.

WE ONLY HAVE HYPOTHESIS!!!!!11!!!One!

Abiogenesis is frontier science.

Read this, you won't be cured of your scientific ignorance but you'll get one step closer.

As I mentioned before, science studies naturalistic processes, not the supernatural. No matter what delusion you're under that science proves the existence of god, angels, demons or tooth fairies, it does not. All that is metaphysical speculation, in the relam of philosophy, not science.

I ask again, have you ever heard of non-overlapping magisteria?   

I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Dredge on February 04, 2017, 07:02:10 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
Quote from: Dredge on January 31, 2017, 12:05:31 AMSpeciation is repeatedly observed and confirmed?

Yes.
Can you cite an example of speciation, please?

Examples were cited earlier in this thread. I'd rather you use your ATP and not mine to find them. Use the search function and ye shall find.

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
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Do yourself a favour and stop looking at crap such as Answers in Genesis for what you think are answers.
I've heard of Answers in Genesis but I've never actually visited that site.

*pats Dredge on the back*
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Arturo

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 04, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2017, 12:31:28 AM
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Do yourself a favour and stop looking at crap such as Answers in Genesis for what you think are answers.
I've heard of Answers in Genesis but I've never actually visited that site.

*pats Dredge on the back*

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