I Hate Rap

[Magdalena]

^^
OK.

[Arturo]

"That God damn (insert music by an African American here) got those pure white bread kids dancing like the devil"

And that was the story of Black Music in America.

[Pasta Chick]

^+1

Give me a mainstream music genre that is not misogynist.

Edit: I guess sexist is the more appropriate term, but that goes for rap too. Misogyny is specifically hate of women, which is not inherently implied in referring to women as females, bitches, hoes, etc as is commonplace in rap specifically. It's generally extremely degrading, yes, but so is One Direction singing about how they're super into girls with no self esteem and stop trying to steal her because she belongs to him.

[Kekerusey]

Give me a mainstream music genre that is not misogynist.

Edit: I guess sexist is the more appropriate term, but that goes for rap too. Misogyny is specifically hate of women, which is not inherently implied in referring to women as females, bitches, hoes, etc as is commonplace in rap specifically. It's generally extremely degrading, yes, but so is One Direction singing about how they're super into girls with no self esteem and stop trying to steal her because she belongs to him.

I couldn't name a One Direction song if I tried but point taken to a degree ... I don't think all mainstream music is misogynistic but I accept there is more of it than one might imediately realise.

Keke

[Pasta Chick]

It certainly isn't all sexist, but neither is rap, which is my point as well. All too often I hear *insert ethnic minority* getting trashed for something that everyone does. Which makes it not actually about that thing, but about rationalizing hating on minorities.

Edit: I don't intend to accuse anyone of being a consciously racist jerk, but I do think there is a major racial bias involved with whole "I hate rap" thing. We've had at least 3 topics about it on HAF alone, and it's hardly limited to HAF. No one is running around creating "I hate country" or "I hate opera" or "I hate EDM" threads, even though people most certainly do. There's a reason for that.

[Magdalena]

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Give me a mainstream music genre that is not misogynist.

Edit: I guess sexist is the more appropriate term, but that goes for rap too. Misogyny is specifically hate of women, which is not inherently implied in referring to women as females, bitches, hoes, etc as is commonplace in rap specifically. It's generally extremely degrading, yes, but so is One Direction singing about how they're super into girls with no self esteem and stop trying to steal her because she belongs to him.

Yes, all that is everywhere, not just or mainly in the rap industry.

The other day I found this:

Poll question: Which song has more archaically sexist lyrics?

Which song has more archaically sexist lyrics?

"Wonder Woman"

Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
All the world is waiting for you,
and the power you possess.

In your satin tights,
Fighting for your rights
And the old Red, White and Blue.


OR...

She's a Lady

Tom Jones

Well, she's all you'd ever want
She's the kind I like to flaunt and take to dinner
But she always knows her place
She's got style, she's got grace, she's a winner
She's a lady
Oh, whoa, whoa, she's a lady
Talkin' about that little lady
And the lady is mine

Well, she's never in the way
Always something nice to say, and what a blessin'
I can leave her on her own
Knowin' she's OK alone and there's no messin'
She's a lady
Oh, whoa, whoa, she's a lady
Talkin' about that little lady
And the lady is mine

Well, she never asks very much
And I don't refuse her
Always treat her with respect
I never would abuse her
What she's got is hard to find
And I don't want to lose her
Help me build a mountain
From a little pile of clay, hey hey hey

Well, she knows what I'm about
She can take what I dish out, and that's not easy
But she knows me through and through
And she knows just what to do and how to please me
She's a lady
Oh, whoa, whoa, she's a lady
Talkin' about that little lady
And the lady is mine
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's a lady
Oh, whoa, whoa, she's a lady
Talkin' about that little lady

Well...
I don't think I'm the kind they like to flaunt and take to dinner. 
And I still don't know "my place."
I am always in the way, and don't always have something nice to say...

I guess I'm not a lady, but I am a woman and a winner...
Oh, whoa, whoa, I'm a winner...because I say so.

Talkin' about that little atheist
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's an atheist
Oh, whoa, whoa, she's an atheist
Talkin' about grandiose atheists...

[Pasta Chick]

Oh my gosh, I could play this game all day, lol

Also, Tom Jones would not like me much, and I'm quite happy with that.

Tupac

Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper they roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care

And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nothin' don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him

And I ain't tryin to gash up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?

I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but you gotta keep your head up

Keep ya head up, oooo child things are gonna get easier
Ooooo child things are gonna get brighter

Nick Jonas

I don't like the way he's looking at you
I'm starting to think you want him too
Am I crazy? Have I lost ya?
Even though I know you love me, can't help it

I turn my chin music up
And I'm puffing my chest
I'm getting red in the face
You can call me obsessed
It's not your fault that they hover
I mean no disrespect
It's my right to be hellish
I still get jealous

'Cause you're too sexy, beautiful
And everybody wants a taste
That's why (that's why)
I still get jealous

I wish you didn't have to post it out
I wish you'd save a little bit just for me
Protective or possessive, yeah
Call it passive or aggressive

You're the only one invited
I said there's no one else for you
'Cause you know I get excited, yeah
When you get jealous too

Oh (that's why)
I still get jealous
Oh (that's why)
I still get jealous

[Arturo]

I'm pretty sure the song "Kill Me" by The Pretty Reckless is about a girl being a slut

[Magdalena]

Oh my gosh, I could play this game all day, lol

OK, me too, let's do it! Let's post the songs that are degrading to women (no rappers). Let's explore this, shall we? 
But one at a time.

Tyler Farr
"Redneck Crazy"

Gonna drive like hell through your neighborhood
Park this Silverado on your front lawn
Crank up a little Hank,
Sit on the hood and drink
I'm about to get my pissed off on

I'm gonna aim my headlights into your bedroom windows
Throw empty beer cans at both of your shadows
I didn't come here to start a fight, but I'm up for anything tonight
You know you broke the wrong heart, baby,
And drove me redneck crazy

Wish I knew how long it's been going on
How long you've been getting some on the side
Nah, he can't amount to much by the look of that little truck
Well, he won't be getting any sleep tonight

I'm gonna aim my headlights into your bedroom windows
Throw empty beer cans at both of your shadows
I didn't come here to start a fight, but I'm up for anything tonight
You know you broke the wrong heart, baby,
And drove me redneck crazy
Redneck crazy

Did you think I'd wish you both the best,
Endless love and happiness?
You know that's just not the kind of man I am
Yeah, I'm the kind that shows up at your house at 3 A.M.

I'm gonna aim my headlights into your bedroom windows
Throw empty beer cans at both of your shadows
I didn't come here to start a fight,
But I'm up for anything tonight
You've gone and broke the wrong heart, baby,
And drove me redneck crazy
You drove me redneck crazy, oh, yeah.

I will never break a redneck's heart! I promise. 



You have to watch the video! It's a whole military operation! 

[Asmodean]

It certainly isn't all sexist

Well... A determined feminazi is likely to find sexism in whatever lyrics you pick, probably even like... O Canada.

Is it just me, or is sexism percieved to be everywhere regardless of context or motives? Me, my motives are my own, which I assume to also be true of women. It's an important distinction, by the way. I would not put it past some women, for instance, to become like... Tom Jones' trophy girlfriend, so why is it sexist of him to sing about having or wanting one?

Yes, I guess it would be sexist to sing that all women are whores or some such nonsense, but most "sexist" lyrics seem to refer to a specific person. Real or imaginary, but just one. So much for degrading to women [plural]... And even when they don't sing about someone specific... I don't like Bill Maher at all, but to paraphrase something we agree on, when them rappers sing about having hoes in different area codes, it may well be because some women just are.





Hate mail to the right, support mail to the left, crackpot mail straight to the bin please.

[Magdalena]

 
Yes, my dear Asmo, when them rappers sing about having hoes in different area codes, it may well be because some women just are, but the next song explains why some women are hoes:

Aww, son

Now honey you can't blame her for what her mama gave her
It ain't right to hate her for working that moneymaker...

It's not just rappers who objectify women. I guess if they can do that, well then so can the loud, rowdy bar that plays "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk"


I don't know, but this one sounds like the Honky Tonk version of, "Baby Got Back"  by Sir Mix-a-Lot. 

"Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" Written by Dallas Davidson, Randy Houser and Jamey Johnson, and recorded by American country music artist Trace Adkins.

Advisory - the following lyrics contain explicit language:

Turn it up son
Alright boys, this is her favorite song, you know that, right?
So if we play it good and loud she might get up and dance again
Aw she's pretty good now
Here she comes, here she comes
Left, left, left-right-left

Hustlers shootin' eight ball
Throwin' darts at the walls
Feeling damn near ten feet tall
Here she comes Lord help us all
Old TW's girlfriend done slapped him out his chair
Poor old boy it ain't his fault it's so hard not to stare at that

Honky tonk badonkadonk
Keepin' perfect rhythm make you want to swing along
Got it goin' on like Donkey Kong
And ooh well shut my mouth, slap your grandma
There ought to be a law, get the sheriff on the phone
Lord have mercy how'd she even get them britches on
With that honky tonk badonkadonk,

Aww, son

Now honey you can't blame her for what her mama gave her
It ain't right to hate her for working that moneymaker
Band shuts down at two but we're hanging out 'til three
We hate to see her go but love to watch her leave with that

Honky tonk badonkadonk
Keepin' perfect rhythm make you want to swing along
Got it goin' on like Donkey Kong
And ooh well shut my mouth, slap your grandma
There ought to be a law, get the sheriff on the phone
Lord have mercy how'd she even get them britches on
With that honky tonk badonkadonk,

Aww, son
Oh that's what I'm talkin' 'bout right there

We don't care about the drinkin', barely listen to band
Our hands they start to shakin' when she gets the urge to dance
Drivin' everybody crazy you think you fell in love
Boys you better keep your distance, you can look but you can't touch

Honky tonk badonkadonk
Keepin' perfect rhythm make you want to swing along
Got it goin' on like Donkey Kong
And ooh well shut my mouth, slap your grandma
There ought to be a law, get the sheriff on the phone
Lord have mercy how'd she even get them britches on
With that honky tonk badonkadonk,

That honky tonk badonkadonk
That's it right there boys
That's why we do what we do
It ain't for the money, it ain't for the glory
It ain't for the free whiskey
It's for the badonkadonk

Edit: I had to fix my grammar. 
Can't be a dumb-trifling-illiterate-hoe. 

[Asmodean]

Hmm... Right, left or the bin™ though..?

Methink this one goes sort of to the rightish-left. 

When it comes to objectifying [often specific, and I do stand by that particular point's importance] women... Well, yes, I suppose some in the entertainment industry do that. However, it's worth noting that there are no murky depths to those shallow lyrics, and if they are a reflection of self, then it stands to reason that there is no depth to the lyricist either. So what if some shallow asshole objectifies you? It's what they do. Given half a chance, I think one of them would just as easily objectify me, although probably in a non-sexual way. Would you even like one such person if the only thing different about him was that he didn't objectify? Or do you not trust those of us not completely intellectually bankrupt not to listen to them songs, then promptly go completely intellectually bankrupt? Because otherwise, it seems like a made up problem.

That said, treating people like furniture or beating the shit out them lovingly... I'll take the former. Well, actually, I'll take neither unless forced as I am a bit of a staunch meritocrat, but yeah... There it is.

[Pasta Chick]

Both use of "all/everything" and "femanazis" are red herrings. Nothing to do with the discussion at hand, and "femanazis" as a concept were made up by people supporting the status quo.

As to the rest, I'll put it this way...

I want a black friend that's quiet and knows his place. He should be happy to hang out and clean up whenever he's around my place. I want him to call my BF "sir" and avert his gaze whenever either of us enter the room, and not speak unless spoken to. He should be happy and humble about his lot in life but also clean up well for show when in public or when other company is over. I'm not racist, these are just qualities I value in my black friends.

[Magdalena]

Hmm... Right, left or the bin™ though..?

Methink this one goes sort of to the rightish-left. 
...

I'm fine with that, Asmo. 

[Davin]

That got kind of intense. I don't really have anything to add, so I'll just offer my support by saying that I agree with Mags and Pasta Chick.

I don't like all rap, but I don't hate the genre. There is a lot that I like and a lot that I find kind of meh. One genre that I dislike almost entirely, is the boy band genre. Now that is a genre that is almost entirely sexist. The lyrics to almost all boy band songs make me cringe, girl.

When I hear a person use the term "feminazi" (and not as a joke to make fun of people that use that term in earnest), it's like when a person brings up solipsism as a counter point in a philosophical discussion. It should be frowned upon in the same light.