I mean, the absolutely asinine shit that comes out of this guy's mouth is off the charts. My newsfeeds are flooded with it already. I can't figure out what Trump is thinking partnering with someone who has this many blatant skeletons, but that's a topic for the Duke thread.
Here's a good one to start things off: Pence States Children Who Have Working Mothers Are Emotionally Stunted (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/mike-pence-mothers-day-care/index.html)
Quote"So am I condemning anyone who has chosen the day-care route?" he wrote.
"Absolutely not. I am criticizing a culture that has sold the big lie that 'Mom doesn't matter.' These statistics should ignite a national debate about the family and precisely who should be raising the next generation of Americans.
"We should seriously rethink a tax code that makes it less and less possible for one parent to stay home with the kids and replace it with a family-friendly system of tax collection.
"Or we could just settle for another generation of adults with good language and cognitive skills but stunted emotional growth. Let's take these findings and put families first again."
Or, you know, ensure maternity leave and affordable child care, but then those rascally womenfolk might get away from the stove again!
I feel obliged to defend this guy, I've been three pennies so far so I could be considered the equivalent of a threepence. Threepence's are rather small though, I wouldn't make the exchange, unless I start a rap career, but I probably wont.
QuoteSure, you can have it all, but your day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick
Some sticks are statistically obliged to be shorter but do emotional sticks have to have short end?
Is it better to get the long end of the emotional stick?
No, I won't be confined by this kind of paradigm promulgated by leftist psychologists.
Should every kid get his own emotional stick to wield as it wills?
Yes I think so, this sharing of the task of caring for kids has kids grouped and learning to share and I don't approve of it. It's obviously a socialist scheme to impose their ethos on the young.
Just look what it's done, look out the window, it's just not right, you're not happy are you?
No of course not, and we know whose fault it is, it's them, we're not going to put up with it though are we? NO!
To me it seems pretty clear that Trump is trying to rope more of the Republican base into actively supporting his attempt to become the President of the US. There are also plenty of "independents" who pretty much always vote Republican and who support the regressive social values that Pence promotes. He's got a pretty good record of pandering to the Christian/family/won't somebody think of the children crowd. Trump's own history isn't as ideologically pure.
It's not like that demographic was ever going to vote for Clinton; I think they've had a problem with her for a long time. But with this choice they may be more enthusiastic for the Republican ticket.
That's the thing though... They weren't ever going to vote for Hillary. Seems like it would make more sense to pick someone more toward the liberal end to pull in Dems who don't really like either candidate. Unless he's planning to swing left now but be like "hey but this bigoted Christian misogynist dude thinks I'm alright!"
They will not vote for Hillary, but they could 1) stay home; 2) vote Libertarian; or 3) write in a candidate like Cruz, etc. Trump has a problem - hatred of Hillary (however justified) will not secure him a majority of the electoral college. He actually has to get votes himself.
"Condoms are a very, very poor protection against STDs (https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mike-pence-in-2002-condoms-are-a-very-very-poor-protection-a?utm_term=.yy4GNYPOq#.hiQY8D67R)
Also "too modern".
I don't see how there are enough people buying this shit to make a difference.
Pence is an avowed evangelical Christian. He is on record as saying that he is "a Christian, a conservative, and a republican, in that order".
That is enough for me to disrespect him but what the hell, I never intended to vote republican in the first place. He is also a seasoned politician who is clever. He is an elected official despite the fact that he is not held in high esteem in Indiana... except for the other Indiana evangelicals. Pence is a climate change denier, an ardent enemy of abortions for any reason, LGBTs, and a few other things. One of his genius programs was to cut taxes and offset short fall by reducing Indiana education funding.
Indiana guy here. I keep hearing that Indiana residents hate this guy. Now I live in the southern end of the state, but you don't hear that around here. He is very well liked. Now I imagine if you polled far north, and cities with college campuses it would be a different story.
Quote from: Steeler on July 24, 2016, 12:58:57 AM
Indiana guy here. I keep hearing that Indiana residents hate this guy. Now I live in the southern end of the state, but you don't hear that around here. He is very well liked. Now I imagine if you polled far north, and cities with college campuses it would be a different story.
Unfortunately there is enough people up north that likes him too. Still makes me want to vomit.
I hope the Dems have a good convention to turn the tide. Kaine is a solid choice and will match up well against Pence, but Wikileaks threatens o spoil the party with their recent revelations. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to do the honorable thing and resign. She's played into Trumps hands by showing favoritism toward Hillary.
The latest news flash, 7:30 PM, is that Wasserman-Schultz has resigned from her leadership role. Damn, that is damaging to the DNC because she is a shrewd and influential woman. Something about e mails again? Sanders operatives plundered DNC or DNC plundered Sanders archives? We'll have to wait until the smoke clears to get this straight.....or not straight.
If those emails are genuine, then it makes sense for her to fall on her sword, because the DNC wasn't operating according to its own rules. There is no law that states the DNC couldn't just nominate whomever they choose, but they set up their own primary system, and present it as a democratic process. It appears that the DNC meddled in a way that calls that into question to some extent.
Back to Governor Pence: "Pence: Roe v. Wade Will Be Overturned After Trump Elected" |
Newsmax (http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/mike-pence-roe-wade-overturn-donald-trump/2016/07/29/id/741149/)
Quote"(I) couldn't be more proud to be standing shoulder to shoulder with the next pro-life president of the USA," Pence told the southwest Michigan audience. "I believe we'll see Roe v. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history where it belongs."
Both Trump and Pence seem to think that solidifying their base rather than attempting to reach out to the middle of the road will win them the election. I think they're mistaken, but I also think they're likely to continue with that sort of tactic. Trump is a classic "never wrong" narcissist, and Pence is a hardened ideologue.
May the FSM delivers us from the danger of a fundamentalist vice president.
Maybe is what this election will be like:
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This video is making the rounds--I found it on Moran's Sandwalk (https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2016/08/this-anti-science-creationist-could-be.html). The Creationist Mike Pence yammers:
So, he says that his training was in "law and history," then almost immediately presents a complete falsehood about law and history. At 0:47 --
"1925; in the famous "Scopes monkey trial" this theory [evolution] made its way, through litigation, into the classrooms of America . . ."
The Scopes trial was about a teacher who presented evolution in his classroom, so it's not true that it was because of the trial that evolution started being taught in the US. As anybody who knows something about the trial can tell you, Scopes was found guilty of violating the Butler Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Act). If anything, the trial resulted in the teaching of evolution being impeded, at least in Tennessee. Either Pence is ignorant about his supposed areas of expertise, or he's simply a bald-faced liar.
If the film was anything like accurate it would seem that creationist lawyers have not evolved much since 1925.
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"Inherit the Wind" is of course a dramatization of the trial. It's more or less accurate, but rather unsympathetic to the Creationist side. H.L. Mencken attended the trial and filed reports on its progress (no surprise that he was also unsympathetic to Creationism). There's a series of podcasts (http://www.underworldamusements.net/blog/2010/uavh-scopes-june29/) done in the style of 1920s radio that presents his reports. They can also be read online (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/menk.htm).
William Jennings Bryan (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/bryanw.htm), the star lawyer for the prosecution, was certainly an interesting character in his own right. Mencken said of his efforts during the Scopes trial: "Once he had one leg in the White House and the nation trembled under his roars. Now he is a tinpot pope in the Coca-Cola belt and a brother to forlorn pastors who belabor halfwits in galvanized iron tabernacles behind the railroad yards....It is a tragedy, indeed, to begin life as a hero and to end it as a buffoon." I don't think Jennings was particularly dishonest, but I do wonder about Mike Pence.
The video featuring Mike Pence has annoyed me thoroughly. The esteemed governor Pence used the word theory, umpteen times and it is evident that he does not know the actual meaning of the word.
Watched tbe clip again, yes, he uses "theory" almost like a swear word.
Kept thinking about Stewart Granger as I listened to the delivery. But, on reflection, I think Granger would have had trouble dumbing down enough for this act.
Poltics and religion is an alliance to be feared! Politics are science are bound to oppose. Unfortunstely politics always has the top cards - even if most of them are fakes.
Found this collection of Mike Pence nonsense. The title is accurate, strange as that may seem.
"'Smoking Doesn't Kill' And Other Great Old Op-Eds From Mike Pence | BuzzFeed (https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/smoking-doesnt-kill-and-other-great-old-op-eds-from-mike-pen?utm_term=.jvDWrbPApR#.bcDXPzxqo5)
I was foolish enough to watch that vid a second time.. Mr. Pence is clearly behaving like a southern Baptist minister. Is this goober to be our sure enough vice prez.? May the rapture take him to his promised land before his term is up.
Quote from: Icarus on January 24, 2017, 01:46:15 AM
. . . May the rapture take him to his promised land before his term is up.
Like, today?
Quote from: Pasta Chick on July 21, 2016, 12:12:58 AM
I mean, the absolutely asinine shit that comes out of this guy's mouth is off the charts. My newsfeeds are flooded with it already. I can't figure out what Trump is thinking partnering with someone who has this many blatant skeletons, but that's a topic for the Duke thread.
Here's a good one to start things off: Pence States Children Who Have Working Mothers Are Emotionally Stunted (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/mike-pence-mothers-day-care/index.html)
Quote"So am I condemning anyone who has chosen the day-care route?" he wrote.
"Absolutely not. I am criticizing a culture that has sold the big lie that 'Mom doesn't matter.' These statistics should ignite a national debate about the family and precisely who should be raising the next generation of Americans.
"We should seriously rethink a tax code that makes it less and less possible for one parent to stay home with the kids and replace it with a family-friendly system of tax collection.
"Or we could just settle for another generation of adults with good language and cognitive skills but stunted emotional growth. Let's take these findings and put families first again."
Or, you know, ensure maternity leave and affordable child care, but then those rascally womenfolk might get away from the stove again!
If he believes that, and I was Freud, I would say he has an incestuous fascination for his mother.
Either Mike Pence is incredibly incompetent or what we have here is Pence lying to Fox News and the rest of the world on camera (skip to about 15:06 if the timestamp doesn't work and you don't want to listen to Maddow's setup).
Quote from: Recusant on March 12, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
Either Mike Pence is incredibly incompetent or what we have here is Pence lying to Fox News and the rest of the world on camera [...[
I'll hedge my bets and got for an each way wager. He is a lying incompetent and an incompetent liar.
If one were to choose "incompetent," then it would also imply that he is completely unable or unwilling to fulfill his duties as head of the Trump transition team.
I think that what the Fox interview shows is that Pence is a well-practiced liar who is rather good at impersonating somebody who is being honest. A normal politician, in other words. Why he would choose to lie about something like the date that he learned that Flynn has been in the employ of Turkey is another question. No immediately apparent benefit to him or the Trump administration accrues as a result of the lie.
Quote from: Recusant on March 12, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
If one were to choose "incompetent," then it would also imply that he is completely unable or unwilling to fulfill his duties as head of the Trump transition team.
I think that what the Fox interview shows is that Pence is a well-practiced liar who is rather good at impersonating somebody who is being honest. A normal politician, in other words. Why he would choose to lie about something like the date that he learned that Flynn has been in the employ of Turkey is another question. No immediately apparent benefit to him or the Trump administration accrues as a result of the lie.
I will still go for "incompetent liar". The competent liar does not simply divert the question, or answer the question he or she really wanted to be asked, they answer the question directly in a manner that cannot be challenged but is wrong ir serves their interest. I would suggest the averaage politician is barely more competent a liar than the average five year old, they just use bigger words and more of them to obfuscate the truth.
But, OK, that's mainly semantics.
(Been waiting for a long time for an excuse to use "obfuscate"! Wanted "obscurate" but that isn't a word (yet).)
The latest rap on our Veep is that he is committed to the practice of the Billy Graham Rule. That is a rule that forbids a man from having lunch or any other meal with a woman unless the mans wife is present. It also forbids the man from occupying a room or office with a woman unless his wife is present.
That is going to make a problem if Mr. Pence actually practices that crackpot idea on work days. What if some political necessity involved having the VP meet with one of our female senators or representatives? I have to snicker at the prospect of Pence becoming aroused by Nancy Pelosi, Claire McCaskel, Nikki Haley, or Elizabeth Warren. (To be fair, there are a few lady reps that are pretty hot.)
I have news for him.... Mike you are a man of Jesus, right? You are duty bound to behave as he did, Right? Jesus did manage his libido sufficiently in cases such as his almost famous meeting with the Samaritan woman at a well out in the boondocks. The woman was a Jezebel but JC managed not to become all horny just because she was a scarlet woman, there was no witnesses around, and he had an ideal setup to get laid. ....See John 4:7.
The tale about Billy Graham goes like this......Billy was doing one of his spectacular gigs in Atlanta or somewhere. He went to his hotel room only to find that a naked woman was lying in his bed. The intent was to discredit poor Billy G. After that he promised never, ever, to allow himself to be alone with a woman unless his wife was present. Thus the Billy Graham Rule.
Pence describes himself as a "Catholic Christian" because in his youth he was a catholic but later became a born again type.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-39993725/mike-pence-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out
QuoteIn his address, Mr Pence decried the "increasing intolerance and suppression" of free speech that he said was sweeping university campuses.
As a vice president and a politician, he should know how the freedom of speech works.
If irony were iron here's enough in there to build a battleship.
A few years ago, discussing politics with right-wing folks, when they'd say that they wished that Obama would be impeached, I'd point out that they'd get Joe Biden as president. They usually admitted that wouldn't please them.
"Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'" |
The Hill (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/375852-pence-says-abortion-will-end-in-us-in-our-time)
QuoteVice President Pence predicted Tuesday that legal abortion would end in the U.S. "in our time."
"I know in my heart of hearts this will be the generation that restores life in America," Pence said at a luncheon in Nashville, Tenn., hosted by the Susan B. Anthony List & Life Institute, an anti-abortion organization.
"If all of us do all we can, we can once again, in our time, restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law."
Pence has long championed anti-abortion policies, as a congressman, as the governor of Indiana and as vice president.
He told the crowd he has seen more progress in the Trump administration's first year in office than he has in his entire life.
Since President Trump took office last year, he has signed legislation reversing an Obama-era rule that blocked states from defunding Planned Parenthood and reinstated a ban on federal funds for global health programs that cover or promote abortions.
[Continues . . . (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/375852-pence-says-abortion-will-end-in-us-in-our-time)]
Abortion has already been illegal in America "in our time". It wasn't pretty.
Pence may well be more dangerous than Trump.
Quote from: Icarus on March 03, 2018, 02:33:32 AM
Pence may well be more dangerous than Trump.
Undoubtedly. He's an agenda driven theist and smarter than Trump (ok that's not difficult).
Quote from: Tank on March 03, 2018, 08:28:02 AM
Quote from: Icarus on March 03, 2018, 02:33:32 AM
Pence may well be more dangerous than Trump.
Undoubtedly. He's an agenda driven theist and smarter than Trump (ok that's not difficult).
I agree. Pence is very creepy.
Argh, Pence is in Brazil. Take him back, please.
We were warned about the age of this thread and to consider starting a new one, though the Pence pathology deserves to stay on its original thread precisely because it is an old pathology.
In The Domestication of Europe, Hodder explores the archaeology that includes burial rites administered by an elite that used esoterica with which to control the population. This earlier theology included deceptions that exploited fundamental illusions of Man, for example, the illusion of not being dead once we already are. About this time, houses began to be placed in rows (striated space), reminiscent of State space. Thus, we are not surprised that Pence has recently announces a Space Force. As Guattari remarks in The Three Ecologies, 'The object of the institution is not an object at all. It is space.'
The Catholic Mike Pence swears in new members of Congress on the Qur'an, which is also not surprising. The Catholics founded the journal, Islamochristiana, in 1975.
Pence familial DNA rests along with George Washington familial DNA in the same cemetery in Ohio.
Quote from: MikeL on November 09, 2018, 07:37:28 PM
We were warned about the age of this thread and to consider starting a new one, though the Pence pathology deserves to stay on its original thread precisely because it is an old pathology.
In The Domestication of Europe, Hodder explores the archaeology that includes burial rites administered by an elite that used esoterica with which to control the population. This earlier theology included deceptions that exploited fundamental illusions of Man, for example, the illusion of not being dead once we already are. About this time, houses began to be placed in rows (striated space), reminiscent of State space. Thus, we are not surprised that Pence has recently announces a Space Force. As Guattari remarks in The Three Ecologies, 'The object of the institution is not an object at all. It is space.'
The Catholic Mike Pence swears in new members of Congress on the Qur'an, which is also not surprising. The Catholics founded the journal, Islamochristiana, in 1975.
Pence familial DNA rests along with George Washington familial DNA in the same cemetery in Ohio.
Hello and welcome to HAF, MikeL! Ignore the warnings, thread necromancy is not a crime here. ;D
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2018, 01:16:39 AM
Argh, Pence is in Brazil. Take him back, please.
Speaking of beta males, who has your Horror Show Elect selected for his VP? Is there any glimmer of joy there?
Quote from: Sandra Craft on November 09, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2018, 01:16:39 AM
Argh, Pence is in Brazil. Take him back, please.
Speaking of beta males, who has your Horror Show Elect selected for his VP? Is there any glimmer of joy there?
A loser General who is worse than our Horror Show Elect. He openly defends a military coup. I sincerely hope Horror Show Elect doesn't get impeached.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 09, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Sandra Craft on November 09, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2018, 01:16:39 AM
Argh, Pence is in Brazil. Take him back, please.
Speaking of beta males, who has your Horror Show Elect selected for his VP? Is there any glimmer of joy there?
A loser General who is worse than our Horror Show Elect. He openly defends a military coup. I sincerely hope Horror Show Elect doesn't get impeached.
We all feel your pain.
When invoking a "space force" the silverback Catholic mafiosi, Mike Pence, is not fooling some of us. Pence's moving lips we compare with Derrida's Grammatology:
'Rather, I will show that deconstructive notions such as "arche-writing" operate on an ultratranscendental level, which allows us to think the necessary synthesis of time without grounding it in a nontemporal unity. Derrida obliquely relates such a project to Kant in Of Grammatology, when he writes that " a new transcendental aesthetic must let itself be guided not only by mathematical idealities but the possibility of inscriptions in general, not befalling an already constituted space but producing the spatiality of space"....Derrida can thus think the experience of space and time as constituted by historical and technological conditions, without reducing spacing to an effect of a certain historical or technological epoch. If spacing were merely an effect of historical conditions, it would supervene on something that precedes it and thus adhere to the metaphysical notion of spacing as a Fall.'
(Haegglund, Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life pp. 26-7)
Obviously, Pence would not be lipping off at this time of the year about space adventures had he been clued up about Derrida's position. No Homo sapiens can credibly speak of modern atheism without having read Haegglund's book.
Quote from: MikeL on November 11, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
When invoking a "space force" the silverback Catholic mafiosi, Mike Pence, is not fooling some of us. Pence's moving lips we compare with Derrida's Grammatology:
'Rather, I will show that deconstructive notions such as "arche-writing" operate on an ultratranscendental level, which allows us to think the necessary synthesis of time without grounding it in a nontemporal unity. Derrida obliquely relates such a project to Kant in Of Grammatology, when he writes that " a new transcendental aesthetic must let itself be guided not only by mathematical idealities but the possibility of inscriptions in general, not befalling an already constituted space but producing the spatiality of space"....Derrida can thus think the experience of space and time as constituted by historical and technological conditions, without reducing spacing to an effect of a certain historical or technological epoch. If spacing were merely an effect of historical conditions, it would supervene on something that precedes it and thus adhere to the metaphysical notion of spacing as a Fall.'
(Haegglund, Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life pp. 26-7)
Obviously, Pence would not be lipping off at this time of the year about space adventures had he been clued up about Derrida's position. No Homo sapiens can credibly speak of modern atheism without having read Haegglund's book.
That's way above my simple little head. What is Derrida saying in everyday words?
Firstly, Pence invokes a space force but has stolen the reader's time due to the necessity of having to listen to his message without being able to interrupt him from his podium. At this very point, we can see Theo's modus operandi in action, which relies on both time and space. As Derrida explains in Radical Atheism, the becoming-time of space is also the becoming-space of time. Even though Helen Waddell's approach to the space-time problem pales in comparison to say, Bergson's Triplicity of Flux (as Deleuze explains in his book, Bergsonism, on Einstein's creating a symbol for a fiction), it is common enough language to grasp:
'It is the theologians but not the poets who divide the undivided Trinity in the pot-houses of Paris. Urania and Nature cover their faces and worship before the mystery of the triple-shafted fire.'
(Waddell, Wandering Scholars)
Pence the theologian attempts to ground this theft of time by reifying space as he speaks, as the reader listens/reads. This is deceptive media. with the third dimension always already stolen away from its victims/scapegoats, though as Deleuze says "But I would never say what I write." Pence attempts a non-temporal unity, which is impossible. Derrida is saying that the act of writing itself produces spatiality, which is a profound idea (Of Grammatology).
What is The Fall?
We think Camus links guilt to historicity fairly well, Sartre's 'bad faith,' Kierkegaard's 'dread' :
What Albert Camus's 'The Fall' Has to Say About Modern Society
https://the-artifice.com/albert-camus-the-fall-modern-society/