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Title: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 02:04:38 AM
School shooting is very very very very very bad (you hear that you fucking federal agents?). But yeah in another way I sympathize with them because in their eyes they see school as a hostile place where everything is cruel and they feel that the only way to get even is to nuke the place. I am not saying that I condone it. It's just yet another thing where i think people would rather brand these people as evil and not look actual psychology behind these incidents. I often feel like I can sympathize with people who do just about anything wrong. I always try to look at it in a different light and try to imagine to myself what the person who committed the crime was going through. I feel like there is a huge double standard where people act like people who don't have any empathy for others are scum bags, but the irony is the people who look at people who are mentally disturbed are often guilty of the same lack of empathy as the people who they hate. So how does this vicious cycle of hatred and ignorance even stop? In my eyes I don't see it stopping, and I will continue to get ridiculed just because I don't lack the empathy that a lot of our society to blatantly does. I am the one who gets the flack for it. Tell me how that is fair.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 22, 2014, 02:16:59 AM
No. It will be a cold day in hell when I start sympathizing with people who shoot up schools. Those people chose to go to a place and take the lives of children who are more likely than not totally innocent. It makes me sad and upset that a person could hurt so much that they feel the need to lash out in a violent way, but they will never get my sympathy.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 02:22:09 AM
Well the shooters are people too. i don't think that someone becomes less than human as the people who were killed. While I am sad that people died I have to be more sad that someone was in so much mental trauma to cause them to act so violently in the first place. So in a way I do care about the victims but I care more about the people who did it than the people who died, because their lives were the ones that were so fucked up that it lead to the deaths in the first place.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 22, 2014, 02:30:44 AM
Again, it is sad that a shooter is in a place where they feel like they had to kill, but they had that choice. The children and staff of schools do not have that choice. Their lives were cut short because somebody decided to deal with their anger with violence instead of getting the help that they need.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2014, 03:09:21 AM
No. We can try to understand why they kill dozens of people, but actually sympathizing with them is going too far.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tom62 on December 22, 2014, 05:35:38 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2014, 03:09:21 AM
No. We can try to understand why they kill dozens of people, but actually sympathizing with them is going too far.
No sympathy from me either, ever.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 22, 2014, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 02:04:38 AM
But yeah in another way I sympathize with them because in their eyes they see school as a hostile place where everything is cruel and they feel that the only way to get even is to nuke the place.
Hm... On a case-by-case basis I may or may not partially agree with you here. I do not sympathize with them, as my sympathy takes a lot to dig out, but I would likely understand some of them at least to a degree if I tried.

Thing is, if a kid who has been bullied nearly to the point of suicide goes and shoots up the place, I understand that. Completely. I don't agree with it, but I do understand. If, however, some self-made, self-proclaimed loser of the loner variety goes in and shoots up his school... Well, I have neither sympathy nor understanding for that individual.

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It's just yet another thing where i think people would rather brand these people as evil and not look actual psychology behind these incidents.
I do agree with you here.

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In my eyes I don't see it stopping, and I will continue to get ridiculed just because I don't lack the empathy that a lot of our society to blatantly does. I am the one who gets the flack for it. Tell me how that is fair.
Oh, I get my share of crap for not always cheering for the victim, or picking the "wrong" victim to align myself with. It's not just about people doing something wrong either. It seems to me that in today's society I live in, if you are not siding with the environment rather than progress, the worker rather than the corporation, the poor rather than the rich and any other "opressed minority", people think less of you. Well, as I see it, the cyanide vapor-spewing corporation deserves an advocate at least as much as the friendly polar bear and sometimes, the victim does deserve at least a portion of the blame.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 22, 2014, 08:48:48 AM
I do think that the way criminals are treated, post crime, is downright daft. We make no effort to understand why they committed their crimes and therefore invest no effort in prevention of the crime in the future. I have no sympathy with a school shooter. But I think we should make every effort to discover what physiological/sociological circumstances allowed them (in their own mind) to break such a taboo.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Davin on December 22, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
It's difficult to get my sympathy, I have to understand the situation first. I can understand the abstract of "kid got bullied, so attacked those that harmed them" but in the cases I've read, they tend to shoot up more than those that wronged them. So I cannot understand that. And in turn, I cannot sympathize.

There is the recent school shooting in Pakistan. The perpetrators are said to have shot up the school because the parents of the children supported the westerners. Again, they are not attacking those they see who have slighted them, but innocents who had nothing to do with their perceived slight.

I don't think I will ever be able to sympathize with school shooters unless their reasons and actions start to line up.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 05:13:54 PM
and I honestly like ted bundy because he just seems like a cool guy and I like how clever and charismatic he is. I was just using that school shooters being victims as an example to maybe persuade people. I can see now that that was kind of a dumb effort. I honestly judge a killer based on their character and I couldn't care less about their crime in most cases. I don't really like Jeffery Dahmer because he was a creationist. I like Ed Gien because he is the classic creepy old man. I like richard remirez because he just comes off as really badass and I love his hatred for humanity. I really admire John Wayne Gacy because he was another really crafty and clever killer. Him and ted bundy both seem like extremely smart and respectable individuals who I think in a life where they didn't have a murder fetish could have been really excellent and successful people. And then there's my favorite of all time which is Charles Manson, who actually didn't kill anyone in the first place. I have been a fan of charles manson since I was a kid because it is captivating to listen to him talk and he agrees on a lot of points that I have about society (people who treat you like shit gives you equal right). His metaphorical speech is truly something spectacular to watch. I love his music too. His album Lie: Love and Terror Cult was one of my favorite albums in high school.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Davin on December 22, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
That's cute.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 22, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: Davin on December 22, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
That's cute incredibly creepy and slightly disturbing.

FTFY
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 07:58:48 PM
My psychologist doesn't think it's disturbing. It's only disturbing to you because you don't know me. It's not like I would aspire to be like those people. I just don't feel a sense of self righteous arrogance like other people where they feel better than others. If we live in a society where people seriously see themselves as better than other people then we seriously have a problem. This is one of the reasons I am so cynical. Everyone else is just so naive and says so many incoherent things. Like telling me that I am creepy when everyone who knows me in person says otherwise. How dare you base your world view on something as one dimensional as a line of text. How dare you.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Davin on December 22, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 07:58:48 PM
My psychologist doesn't think it's disturbing. It's only disturbing to you because you don't know me. It's not like I would aspire to be like those people. I just don't feel a sense of self righteous arrogance like other people where they feel better than others. If we live in a society where people seriously see themselves as better than other people then we seriously have a problem. This is one of the reasons I am so cynical. Everyone else is just so naive and says so many incoherent things. Like telling me that I am creepy when everyone who knows me in person says otherwise. How dare you base your world view on something as one dimensional as a line of text. How dare you.
People get to deem things as creepy or not, it's not only their right, it is good. If what you're writing ends up being creepy when others who know you personally do not find you creepy, then that should be useful information for you to determine what the difference is. How dare someone judge you based on how you present yourself? Nah man, that is what we, as independent humans, are supposed to do. You don't like honest feedback? Well, that's on you.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
I think school shooters have it backwards. They should start with the suicide, then go on a rampage. It's a win-win for everybody.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Davin on December 22, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 07:58:48 PM
My psychologist doesn't think it's disturbing. It's only disturbing to you because you don't know me. It's not like I would aspire to be like those people. I just don't feel a sense of self righteous arrogance like other people where they feel better than others. If we live in a society where people seriously see themselves as better than other people then we seriously have a problem. This is one of the reasons I am so cynical. Everyone else is just so naive and says so many incoherent things. Like telling me that I am creepy when everyone who knows me in person says otherwise. How dare you base your world view on something as one dimensional as a line of text. How dare you.
People get to deem things as creepy or not, it's not only their right, it is good. If what you're writing ends up being creepy when others who know you personally do not find you creepy, then that should be useful information for you to determine what the difference is. How dare someone judge you based on how you present yourself? Nah man, that is what we, as independent humans, are supposed to do. You don't like honest feedback? Well, that's on you.
No, it's on them, and only them. The one who is wrong is them. I did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
I think school shooters have it backwards. They should start with the suicide, then go on a rampage. It's a win-win for everybody.
Wow.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 22, 2014, 08:39:15 PM
I'm sorry, I just find it kind of humorous how you go on about us judging you by a post and that it's wrong yet you call us naive and stupid in many of your posts. Double standard much?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
Some opinions are just better left unsaid.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 22, 2014, 08:39:15 PM
I'm sorry, I just find it kind of humorous how you go on about us judging you by a post and that it's wrong yet you call us naive and stupid in many of your posts. Double standard much?
I never called you guys naive and stupid. I wouldn't say that directly to anyone. That is how you get banned.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Davin on December 22, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Davin on December 22, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 07:58:48 PM
My psychologist doesn't think it's disturbing. It's only disturbing to you because you don't know me. It's not like I would aspire to be like those people. I just don't feel a sense of self righteous arrogance like other people where they feel better than others. If we live in a society where people seriously see themselves as better than other people then we seriously have a problem. This is one of the reasons I am so cynical. Everyone else is just so naive and says so many incoherent things. Like telling me that I am creepy when everyone who knows me in person says otherwise. How dare you base your world view on something as one dimensional as a line of text. How dare you.
People get to deem things as creepy or not, it's not only their right, it is good. If what you're writing ends up being creepy when others who know you personally do not find you creepy, then that should be useful information for you to determine what the difference is. How dare someone judge you based on how you present yourself? Nah man, that is what we, as independent humans, are supposed to do. You don't like honest feedback? Well, that's on you.
No, it's on them, and only them. The one who is wrong is them. I did nothing wrong.
I'm sure that childish kind of argument will serve you well. That was sarcasm. If you place the blame of all your problems on others, if you think that you do not commit any errors, then you must perceive that you have no control at all.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 22, 2014, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 22, 2014, 08:39:15 PM
I'm sorry, I just find it kind of humorous how you go on about us judging you by a post and that it's wrong yet you call us naive and stupid in many of your posts. Double standard much?
I never called you guys naive and stupid. I wouldn't say that directly to anyone. That is how you get banned.

Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 07:58:48 PM
My psychologist doesn't think it's disturbing. It's only disturbing to you because you don't know me. It's not like I would aspire to be like those people. I just don't feel a sense of self righteous arrogance like other people where they feel better than others. If we live in a society where people seriously see themselves as better than other people then we seriously have a problem. This is one of the reasons I am so cynical. Everyone else is just so naive and says so many incoherent things. Like telling me that I am creepy when everyone who knows me in person says otherwise. How dare you base your world view on something as one dimensional as a line of text. How dare you.

Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on October 26, 2014, 05:21:45 PM
you guys are being so dumb. of course I care about what other people label me. This is such a blatant display of ignorance.


Oops that must have been a typo then.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.

You really don't know when not to speak your mind, do you MLA? You're already treading a very thin line here. Some fun?! Seriously? Are you that detached?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 01:49:28 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.

You really don't know when not to speak your mind, do you MLA? You're already treading a very thin line here. Some fun?! Seriously? Are you that detached?
Oh, I'm sorry, sweetheart.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 23, 2014, 02:27:44 AM
Nice use of the condescending pet names. I see you've also ignored my post, can't think of anything sarcastic to reply?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 02:46:08 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 23, 2014, 02:27:44 AM
Nice use of the condescending pet names. I see you've also ignored my post, can't think of anything sarcastic to reply?
I was laughing so hard at this post. Honest to god it's just hilarious. And I can't just throw around amazing replies at the drop of a hat. I realize that trying to do that wouldn't serve me well. I settle for the occasional amazing post though.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 23, 2014, 03:18:57 AM
What can I say, I'm hilarious
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Niya on December 23, 2014, 05:47:36 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.

No, I have never seen anyone filled with hatred and anguish and pain, having fun. At a recent terrorist activity, 6 terrorists killed 300 children at a school in my country. You can imagine them as having fun, but I only imagine hate filled people just taking it out on others.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 06:00:40 AM
Quote from: Niya on December 23, 2014, 05:47:36 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.

No, I have never seen anyone filled with hatred and anguish and pain, having fun. At a recent terrorist activity, 6 terrorists killed 300 children at a school in my country. You can imagine them as having fun, but I only imagine hate filled people just taking it out on others.
I hate terrorists. Their beliefs are so skewed. I think that they are some of the stupidest people in the world.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 06:44:29 AM
Actually, some of them are quite intelligent. Even wise, depending on the scope of one's definition of wisdom.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 23, 2014, 07:17:32 AM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
I think school shooters have it backwards. They should start with the suicide, then go on a rampage. It's a win-win for everybody.
That's one solution. Not ideal, but still better.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Niya on December 23, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
Only if a shooter thinks he has no purpose left...but sometimes they have a purpose, to shift their pain to someone else. To feel justified if nothing else.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 06:44:29 AM
Actually, some of them are quite intelligent. Even wise, depending on the scope of one's definition of wisdom.
I do recall liking ted kaczynski.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 23, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: MikeyV on December 22, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 22, 2014, 08:27:37 PMWow.

You sympathize with the school shooters, while I sympathize with the parents of the needlessly slain children. We just come from different perspectives.

School shooters are the worst kind of narcissists. Carve a path of destruction and never ending sadness, then end your life so you don't have to live with the consequences.

I sympathize with bullied kids. I was a bullied kid. But my sympathy ends the moment you pick up a gun and go on a rampage.
at least the people who did it had some fun while they were doing it.
This is so fucking wrong, on so many fucking levels. It's a completely and utterly disgusting comment.
Seriously what is the purpose here of entertaining this DB of a troll? 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 06:44:29 AM
Actually, some of them are quite intelligent. Even wise, depending on the scope of one's definition of wisdom.
I do recall liking ted kaczynski.
Oh, some are even charismatic and possibly quite likeable, but for me, that's not contingent solely on intelligence and/or wisdom.

Osama Bin Laden had at least some university education, at most multiple degrees (I'm not sure. If any one knows, feel free to expand) in addition to being reasonably charismatic, but I don't think I would have be able to like him even before we started on the whole terrorist thing; too much religion, too ugly a beard.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 23, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 23, 2014, 06:44:29 AM
Actually, some of them are quite intelligent. Even wise, depending on the scope of one's definition of wisdom.
I do recall liking ted kaczynski.
Oh, some are even charismatic and possibly quite likeable, but for me, that's not contingent solely on intelligence and/or wisdom.

Osama Bin Laden had at least some university education, at most multiple degrees (I'm not sure. If any one knows, feel free to expand) in addition to being reasonably charismatic, but I don't think I would have be able to like him even before we started on the whole terrorist thing; too much religion, too ugly a beard.
I hate bin laden.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.
Yeah I understand. He represents all those towel head extremists who are just retarded anyways. His world view was so twisted around that bullshit warlord Allah the child molester, and he wants to kill others and destroy ancient architecture because of THAT. The guy is a fucking piece of shit.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 24, 2014, 01:42:50 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.
Yeah I understand. He represents all those towel head extremists who are just retarded anyways. His world view was so twisted around that bullshit warlord Allah the child molester, and he wants to kill others and destroy ancient architecture because of THAT. The guy is a fucking piece of shit.

You really couldn't have found a better word than retard?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Recusant on December 24, 2014, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.

Yeah I understand. He represents all those towel head extremists who are just retarded anyways. His world view was so twisted around that bullshit warlord Allah the child molester, and he wants to kill others and destroy ancient architecture because of THAT. The guy is a fucking piece of shit.

::) Why we can't have nice things.

When you write "towel head" you're using a racist epithet. That is not acceptable here. As Budhorse4 pointed out, "retard" isn't cool, either. Do you want to get suspended or banned from this site? If not, you have to stop posting noxious shit which is clearly against the rules. I think that generally people have been very patient with you. That will only carry you so far.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Crow on December 24, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
Nope. People get bullied and treated like shit everyday and don't go on a shooting spree so I have no sympathy for them.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 24, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Going back to the OP title. I think the trigger word is sympathise. If the title had been something along the lines of "in some lights is it possible to understand school shooters? it would have caused a lot less grief. It would have objectified the discussion and put it in the third person while the use of 'can you' put it in the first person.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 24, 2014, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.

Yeah I understand. He represents all those towel head extremists who are just retarded anyways. His world view was so twisted around that bullshit warlord Allah the child molester, and he wants to kill others and destroy ancient architecture because of THAT. The guy is a fucking piece of shit.

::) Why we can't have nice things.

When you write "towel head" you're using a racist epithet. That is not acceptable here. As Budhorse4 pointed out, "retard" isn't cool, either. Do you want to get suspended or banned from this site? If not, you have to stop posting noxious shit which is clearly against the rules. I think that generally people have been very patient with you. That will only carry you so far.
alright, calm down. I didn't know that retard and towel head were banned words. I am not used to censoring what I say. I will try to tone it down a bit. just fyi i wasn't planning on forming a eugenics council. Retard/retarded is not offensive to retarded people.  Just their myopic family and friends who are hypersensitive and overprotective.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
I was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words. It's as if the implications of saying such a thing would be equivalent to what I said.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 24, 2014, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
I was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words. It's as if the implications of saying such a thing would be equivalent to what I said.
Well you're a complete cunt aren't you!

Don't be offended, they're only words. A fucking dipstick like you shouldn't be offended by mere words should you?

Sticks and stones and all that.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 24, 2014, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 24, 2014, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
I don't. In fact, I'm completely indifferent about the man. However, I do condemn using terror (or more conventional force, for that matter) to get one's message across.

What I'm saying is just that even if he was intelligent and charismatic, I would probably dislike him if I knew him. As an individual, that is, not a symbol or whatever else he might have been.

Yeah I understand. He represents all those towel head extremists who are just retarded anyways. His world view was so twisted around that bullshit warlord Allah the child molester, and he wants to kill others and destroy ancient architecture because of THAT. The guy is a fucking piece of shit.

::) Why we can't have nice things.

When you write "towel head" you're using a racist epithet. That is not acceptable here. As Budhorse4 pointed out, "retard" isn't cool, either. Do you want to get suspended or banned from this site? If not, you have to stop posting noxious shit which is clearly against the rules. I think that generally people have been very patient with you. That will only carry you so far.
alright, calm down. I didn't know that retard and towel head were banned words. I am not used to censoring what I say. I will try to tone it down a bit. just fyi i wasn't planning on forming a eugenics council. Retard/retarded is not offensive to retarded people.  Just their myopic family and friends who are hypersensitive and overprotective.

Reality check: The word ?retarded? derives from the term ?mental retardation.? Years ago, that was a clinical diagnosis used to describe people with intellectual disabilities. But words evolve and change meaning over time as words tend to do, and the words ?retard? and ?retarded? have evolved into insults, and the words are hurtful and mean especially to those who suffer from intellectual disabilities.

In fact in 2010  the US Congress itself replaced ?mental retardation? and ?mentally retarded? in federal health, education and labor laws with the term ?intellectual disability.?

The word ?retarded? has morphed into a slur, a very hateful and derogatory slur?which is why many people now shun the use of the word.

Which is why people here have asked you not to use it. It's not about censorship, it's about being cognitive to the world that exists outside your own world, it's about recognizing that certain phrases, words, or even preconceived notions can and do hurt people, and  that you can still convey your own thoughts and ideas, just use different words.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Niya on December 24, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
I hear what you said in the Original post, MLA. I understand and appreciate that you think of reasons what may have drove them to do something horrible. I feel most people who do this need help in real life. But that being said they are not looking for sympathy when they take up semi-automatics and start shooting up people. One can argue that Hitler was the gentlest being, if you can understand his Dog Blondi's point of view, I mean as far as I have read Hitler loved Blondi...and he hated people who mistreated animals but he was himself a monster to millions. So it becomes quite relative here on the POV we may consider. A surviving holocaust victim or Hitler's dog, both pov's are true and yet I know that it doesn't change the facts nor his act of kindness to the animal species exalt him or compensate for his behaviour. In the same vein my sympathy is with the bullied kid even when he shoots others but that doesn't change how I should view their actions. I can understand why he did what he did and he may be a victim too perhaps. But I would also understand if the mother, of a child who got killed by this shooter doesn't feel what I feel.

C.S Lewis once said, forgiveness is a easy idea as long as we don't have anything to forgive. So yeah there are people who get hurt when they go through the death of a loved one. I cried when they shot 300 children to death, I was moved, many were moved even though none of the people crying were directly related to anyone who died, so society can hate this people, these shooters for "just" reasons. What you need to understand is that not everyone is a hypocrite. People may not sympathize for the right reasons. I don't condone or sympathize with many acts I don't feel qualified for empathy and support.

I think your attitude is frankly "Holier than thou" kind. I lot of people get treated unfair everyday of their lives, you are not alone on that front brother.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 24, 2014, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
I was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words. It's as if the implications of saying such a thing would be equivalent to what I said.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F308709ee827b8d5248f720443129dc9d%2Ftumblr_n3erypxdNj1smcbm7o1_500.gif&hash=17d6c28dca70f98b131a8b9b75e2d0ede21678de)
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Recusant on December 24, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:41:55 PMalright, calm down. I didn't know that retard and towel head were banned words. I am not used to censoring what I say. I will try to tone it down a bit. just fyi i wasn't planning on forming a eugenics council. Retard/retarded is not offensive to retarded people.  Just their myopic family and friends who are hypersensitive and overprotective.

I am calm, MusicLovingAtheist. It appears to me that you enjoy trying to push people's buttons to try to get a reaction, which is a very childish approach to discussion. You've been on this site long enough to be completely aware that its ethos does not condone indiscriminate use of derogatory racist language. You have been warned about your posting behavior before, so your plea of ignorance is weak, at best. Though you didn't say so, it appears that you'd rather not be suspended. You're going to have to do better than "trying" to tone down your use of offensive terms.

You don't speak for developmentally disabled people, and your assertion that they aren't offended by the use of the terms "retard" and "retarded" is ridiculous bullshit.

Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PMI was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words.

What you think is absurd is not the issue, and is completely irrelevant. Abide by the rules of this site, or you'll get an involuntary opportunity to look for someplace that's more willing to put up with your toxic spewage. I can guarantee that many members in those places will be much harsher toward you than the people here have been, though. You're welcome to keep posting here, as far as I'm concerned, but it really depends on whether you're willing to respect the norms of this place. If not, Scissorlegs has already suggested another site (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=13737.msg299198#msg299198), and I can suggest one as well, where there's very little chance you'll ever be suspended, no matter what insensitive nonsense you post. But as I said, you'll likely get back much worse than you give there. PM me if you want the address.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: OldGit on December 24, 2014, 06:23:03 PM
I spend a lot of time with people who used to be called 'retarded' and many are good friends.  I imagine a lot of them would be offended - I know it seriously annoys me.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 24, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:41:55 PMalright, calm down. I didn't know that retard and towel head were banned words. I am not used to censoring what I say. I will try to tone it down a bit. just fyi i wasn't planning on forming a eugenics council. Retard/retarded is not offensive to retarded people.  Just their myopic family and friends who are hypersensitive and overprotective.

I am calm, MusicLovingAtheist. It appears to me that you enjoy trying to push people's buttons to try to get a reaction, which is a very childish approach to discussion. You've been on this site long enough to be completely aware that its ethos does not condone indiscriminate use of derogatory racist language. You have been warned about your posting behavior before, so your plea of ignorance is weak, at best. Though you didn't say so, it appears that you'd rather not be suspended. You're going to have to do better than "trying" to tone down your use of offensive terms.

You don't speak for developmentally disabled people, and your assertion that they aren't offended by the use of the terms "retard" and "retarded" is ridiculous bullshit.

Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PMI was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words.

What you think is absurd is not the issue, and is completely irrelevant. Abide by the rules of this site, or you'll get an involuntary opportunity to look for someplace that's more willing to put up with your toxic spewage. I can guarantee that many members in those places will be much harsher toward you than the people here have been, though. You're welcome to keep posting here, as far as I'm concerned, but it really depends on whether you're willing to respect the norms of this place. If not, Scissorlegs has already suggested another site (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=13737.msg299198#msg299198), and I can suggest one as well, where there's very little chance you'll ever be suspended, no matter what insensitive nonsense you post. But as I said, you'll likely get back much worse than you give there. PM me if you want the address.

I am waiting to see that other site that scissorlegs has suggested. he never linked it.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2014, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
I was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words. It's as if the implications of saying such a thing would be equivalent to what I said.
Well you're a complete cunt aren't you!

Don't be offended, they're only words. A fucking dipstick like you shouldn't be offended by mere words should you?

Sticks and stones and all that.
Oooh, dangerous ground, T!

Something tells me you are not being serious, but I absolutely agree with the sentiment. It says nothing good about my person if I take offence at being called a few names.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 24, 2014, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on December 24, 2014, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2014, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 24, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
Who the hell is saying that you were forming a eugenics council?
I was just showing how absurd it is that people are offended by those words. It's as if the implications of saying such a thing would be equivalent to what I said.
Well you're a complete cunt aren't you!

Don't be offended, they're only words. A fucking dipstick like you shouldn't be offended by mere words should you?

Sticks and stones and all that.
Oooh, dangerous ground, T!

Something tells me you are not being serious, but I absolutely agree with the sentiment. It says nothing good about my person if I take offence at being called a few names.

Quite right, illustrative not serious.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 24, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Sorry, I thought you could do your own research.  However, my favourite is http://www.the600club.com (http://www.the600club.com). This is the most discerning of the bunch. Probably the strictest code. Some of Anton Lavey's original associates still post there. If you want to be a member you have to apply and they'll let you in a week or so later - stops fly-by posters and allows you some time to read before posting. I urge you to read up to understand your audience or you'll be crucified before you begin.

Another one run by an arrogant, elitist pedant calling himself Zach Black is https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/ (https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/). This is your archetypal ego-fest which I don't have much time for, but it's a much more popular and active site.

There are plenty more.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Michael1 on December 24, 2014, 10:20:40 PM
I empathize with people, not with shooters.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 24, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Sorry, I thought you could do your own research.  However, my favourite is http://www.the600club.com (http://www.the600club.com). This is the most discerning of the bunch. Probably the strictest code. Some of Anton Lavey's original associates still post there. If you want to be a member you have to apply and they'll let you in a week or so later - stops fly-by posters and allows you some time to read before posting. I urge you to read up to understand your audience or you'll be crucified before you begin.

Another one run by an arrogant, elitist pedant calling himself Zach Black is https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/ (https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/). This is your archetypal ego-fest which I don't have much time for, but it's a much more popular and active site.

There are plenty more.
thank you. I am looking forward to posting there. I hope I am not too unintelligent for them. I have a strong feeling I will be. I will try to made that part of me discrete.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 25, 2014, 12:17:43 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 24, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Sorry, I thought you could do your own research.  However, my favourite is http://www.the600club.com (http://www.the600club.com). This is the most discerning of the bunch. Probably the strictest code. Some of Anton Lavey's original associates still post there. If you want to be a member you have to apply and they'll let you in a week or so later - stops fly-by posters and allows you some time to read before posting. I urge you to read up to understand your audience or you'll be crucified before you begin.

Another one run by an arrogant, elitist pedant calling himself Zach Black is https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/ (https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/). This is your archetypal ego-fest which I don't have much time for, but it's a much more popular and active site.

There are plenty more.
thank you. I am looking forward to posting there. I hope I am not too unintelligent for them. I have a strong feeling I will be. I will try to made that part of me discrete.

Good luck with that...
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 12:17:43 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 24, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 24, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Sorry, I thought you could do your own research.  However, my favourite is http://www.the600club.com (http://www.the600club.com). This is the most discerning of the bunch. Probably the strictest code. Some of Anton Lavey's original associates still post there. If you want to be a member you have to apply and they'll let you in a week or so later - stops fly-by posters and allows you some time to read before posting. I urge you to read up to understand your audience or you'll be crucified before you begin.

Another one run by an arrogant, elitist pedant calling himself Zach Black is https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/ (https://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/social/). This is your archetypal ego-fest which I don't have much time for, but it's a much more popular and active site.

There are plenty more.
thank you. I am looking forward to posting there. I hope I am not too unintelligent for them. I have a strong feeling I will be. I will try to made that part of me discrete.

Good luck with that...
Holy shit. I just got back down stairs from socializing with my cousins and stuff and it's always so funny how I go from my environment in person to the online environment where the interaction is just totally the opposite of how it is in person. It makes me feel pretty isolated to tell you the truth, having to come back to the place where I basically call home (the internet) and have it be the place that also causes me stress. I would prefer if you would refrain from sardonic statements like that, and everyone in general. I don't feel like I get any respect when I use a forum, even one like this that claims that it is a warm and friendly environment. Seriously, how many people have just been really unfriendly to me like this? So many.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 25, 2014, 03:42:55 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
Holy shit. I just got back down stairs from socializing with my cousins and stuff and it's always so funny how I go from my environment in person to the online environment where the interaction is just totally the opposite of how it is in person. It makes me feel pretty isolated to tell you the truth, having to come back to the place where I basically call home (the internet) and have it be the place that also causes me stress. I would prefer if you would refrain from sardonic statements like that, and everyone in general. I don't feel like I get any respect when I use a forum, even one like this that claims that it is a warm and friendly environment. Seriously, how many people have just been really unfriendly to me like this? So many.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5opGFzb.gif&hash=db467481c581c759572cd3d21c60b8770d04ff08)




Maybe because you keep flipping between making bigoted statements and attempting to get a rise out of people and trying to play the sympathy card and whining about how we are so mean to you. 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 04:02:50 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 25, 2014, 03:42:55 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
Holy shit. I just got back down stairs from socializing with my cousins and stuff and it's always so funny how I go from my environment in person to the online environment where the interaction is just totally the opposite of how it is in person. It makes me feel pretty isolated to tell you the truth, having to come back to the place where I basically call home (the internet) and have it be the place that also causes me stress. I would prefer if you would refrain from sardonic statements like that, and everyone in general. I don't feel like I get any respect when I use a forum, even one like this that claims that it is a warm and friendly environment. Seriously, how many people have just been really unfriendly to me like this? So many.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5opGFzb.gif&hash=db467481c581c759572cd3d21c60b8770d04ff08)




Maybe because you keep flipping between making bigoted statements and attempting to get a rise out of people and trying to play the sympathy card and whining about how we are so mean to you.  
Hmm... Well some of the things I say are bigoted, except I don't really attack anyone. So you can't really be upset at me about that. As for trying to get sympathy, that is not true. I may say some things that I wish people can put aside their differences and look at things without their own personal beliefs attached so we can try to talk on a higher level. That is what I think I hope for when I come to an atheist forum or any forum that I believe should promote intelligent discussion. I respect that the people of this forum are in fact smart. The statements here simply reflect what I think in my mind. This is not some two face shystering. I am not here to give people a hard time.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Dobermonster on December 25, 2014, 04:26:40 AM
I still think MLA is a troll, and I'm surprised that he/she is still around . . . but not my forum. *shrug*
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 04:49:17 AM
Quote from: Dobermonster on December 25, 2014, 04:26:40 AM
I still think MLA is a troll, and I'm surprised that he/she is still around . . . but not my forum. *shrug*
No one was talking to you.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Dobermonster on December 25, 2014, 05:17:03 AM
I'm almost certain I heard someone say something. I wish people wouldn't mumble around here. *scowls and knits angrily*
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 25, 2014, 05:18:48 AM
Oh dear, do we have to borrow one of OldGit's hearing aids?  ;D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 25, 2014, 07:39:29 AM
Quote from: MusicLovingAtheist on December 25, 2014, 04:49:17 AM
Quote from: Dobermonster on December 25, 2014, 04:26:40 AM
I still think MLA is a troll, and I'm surprised that he/she is still around . . . but not my forum. *shrug*
No one was talking to you.

This may well be your last post here MLA. Tank
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 25, 2014, 07:55:19 AM
MLA

I'm still not 100% sure you are just here for 'shits and giggles' as a troll. So rather than ban you I have suspended your account for 31 days. This is to give you a chance to consider your future behaviour. You'll be able to post again from the 25th January 2015.

Merry Christmas
Tank
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 25, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Yes. He can do everything but send PMs and post.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
For someone who preaches that others shouldn't take offense you sure are quick to react to what people here say to you, MLA. Think about that on your time off from this forum.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Eric V Arachnid on December 25, 2014, 11:38:27 AM
Sympathise with a Z.
I don't think I ever will.

Sympathy/Empathy I attended a thing, there's supposed be a difference.

I have sympathy for people who have been unfairly hurt.
I may have empathy for those that have been hurt, thinking of striking out.
I don't sympathise with school shooters, schools are a general good and shouldn't be indiscriminately shot at, because.

QuoteWarning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

I don't think I need to, it's probably dull and boring, unless it's Phinx of course.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 25, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 25, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Yes. He can do everything but send PMs and post.

That's a light sentence. When I was banned from 600club they blocked me out of even reading for two weeks for a smartass one-liner. That was torturous!
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Eric V Arachnid on December 25, 2014, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 25, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Yes. He can do everything but send PMs and post.

That's a light sentence. When I was banned from 600club they blocked me out of even reading for two weeks for a smartass one-liner. That was torturous!

We'll probably disembowel him, pick over his entrails in his absence,
Letting him watch us at it is much crueller but that isn't our intention. 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 25, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Yes. He can do everything but send PMs and post.

That's a light sentence. When I was banned from 600club they blocked me out of even reading for two weeks for a smartass one-liner. That was torturous!

I checked out the 600club last night.  Obviously I'm not a Satanist, but do they let non-Satanists post?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: OldGit on December 25, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
Oh well, I won't have to lend out my hearing aids now.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 25, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 25, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
Can MLA still read posts?
Yes. He can do everything but send PMs and post.

That's a light sentence. When I was banned from 600club they blocked me out of even reading for two weeks for a smartass one-liner. That was torturous!

I checked out the 600club last night.  Obviously I'm not a Satanist, but do they let non-Satanists post?

I think if you explain yourself well enough in the first instance you might be OK... maybe... There're no specific rules about Xtians as far as I remember but as you might imagine their patience with religious trolls ran out long ago. Another thing you might consider is that they don't take kindly to being studied like lab rats. They will expect you to do your research in your own time. Converse on their level or not at all. It's not for everyone! Some of them are just cunts.

You can get the measure of the place by reading posts - lots of them. You'll see that many members are quite prickly. Get used to that. They'll respect you for robust verbal combat.

I'd be interested to hear your feedback.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
I'd be interested to hear your feedback.

I registered.  Must say that I feel a twinge in my conscience for doing so, but I'm interested in learning.  Waiting for the admin to approve me.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 05:52:28 PM

I'd be interested to hear your feedback.

How long does it take to get approved?  I can't imagine that they are taking Christmas off.  Do they do some sort of thorough background check?  I figured that approval or disapproval would have come pretty quickly.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 25, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 05:52:28 PM

I'd be interested to hear your feedback.

How long does it take to get approved?  I can't imagine that they are taking Christmas off.  Do they do some sort of thorough background check?  I figured that approval or disapproval would have come pretty quickly.

It took around two weeks for me but I did get the impression that was more to do with someone just not dealing with a backlog... but who knows...?!

I don't know if they do any kind of active checks. It'll be interesting to see if you slip through. I do know that they automatically block applicants from certain countries. Maybe Tank might have better insight into that kind of thing?? I suspect the delay is mostly about weeding out the genuinely interested from drunken fly-by trolls.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 25, 2014, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 05:52:28 PM

I'd be interested to hear your feedback.

How long does it take to get approved?  I can't imagine that they are taking Christmas off.  Do they do some sort of thorough background check?  I figured that approval or disapproval would have come pretty quickly.

It took around two weeks for me but I did get the impression that was more to do with someone just not dealing with a backlog... but who knows...?!

I don't know if they do any kind of active checks. It'll be interesting to see if you slip through. I do know that they automatically block applicants from certain countries. Maybe Tank might have better insight into that kind of thing?? I suspect the delay is mostly about weeding out the genuinely interested from drunken fly-by trolls.
Can't really add anything that you haven't already covered. You might have just picked the time when the person who does the approvals was on holiday.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 25, 2014, 10:12:22 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 25, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
I do know that they automatically block applicants from certain countries. Maybe Tank might have better insight into that kind of thing?? I suspect the delay is mostly about weeding out the genuinely interested from drunken fly-by trolls.

I can see they have people from Texas and other US states, so the country is not the problem.  I feel like I'm applying for a job.  Can I use some people on this forum for references?   ;D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: OldGit on December 26, 2014, 09:21:35 AM
Use me, if you like. :D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 28, 2014, 04:50:53 AM
Do they have an Asmo to sacrifice you to? Hm?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Firebird on December 29, 2014, 01:16:46 AM
There's more than one? What, Luxembourg too much for you?

;D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 29, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.

Are you using the same name?  I may lurk.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 29, 2014, 01:23:54 AM
Quote from: Firebird on December 29, 2014, 01:16:46 AM
There's more than one? What, Luxembourg too much for you?

;D
There is only one The Asmo and Luxembourg shall fall. Asmos, however, are a specie, created by The Asmo in His image.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 29, 2014, 02:15:24 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.

Bravo! I see you've met Sin Jones - a prolific poster there. I notice she tested you straight out of the box. :D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.

Are you using the same name?  I may lurk.

I'm NEN there. 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 29, 2014, 02:15:24 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.

Bravo! I see you've met Sin Jones - a prolific poster there. I notice she tested you straight out of the box. :D

Yes, and according to the FemaleSatan I did not pass the test.  It seems that the whole attitude there can be summed up in the following sentence: "Fuck you, you idiot!"
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 29, 2014, 02:43:07 PM
Lurking...

I may be too used to HAF...what a literally dark forum the 600 club is! *squints*
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 29, 2014, 02:43:07 PM
Lurking...

I may be too used to HAF...what a literally dark forum the 600 club is! *squints*

Yes, the black and red are rough on the eyes.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 29, 2014, 05:07:57 PM
I had figured out who you were  :P. I believe we also know Pain.

Can't find the thread where shit goes down, though.  Search features (understandably) suck for non-members.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 29, 2014, 05:26:53 PM
I can't find it either, when I try to look at your posts it says I have to register. Could you link it here, Bruce? ;D

ETA: the search function doesn't turn up much either, only 6 of your posts. I guess one would have to register for that as well.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
Right now I'm shut out because you can only post 6 per day.  They do not allow one liners, "agree" posts, or post bombing.  I'm starting to feel a little better - I've had some genial exchanges by PM.  If you go to Satanism 101 or the major thread on Satanism, you can see some nasty stuff.  But overall its just a matter of getting used to the culture, I think.  We'll see how long I last.  I've got to find a topic I can really jump in on and go to town without attacking their beliefs. 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 29, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on December 29, 2014, 02:15:24 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 27, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
Well, they let me on.  I posted a few things and am now waiting to be macerated.  If I disappear, assume that I was sacrificed.

Bravo! I see you've met Sin Jones - a prolific poster there. I notice she tested you straight out of the box. :D

Yes, and according to the FemaleSatan I did not pass the test.  It seems that the whole attitude there can be summed up in the following sentence: "Fuck you, you idiot!"

Well, fuck you, you idiot, FemaleSatan!

Yeah, plenty of chest-thumping in there. You gotta search for the philosophical gems amongst the poo, but it's there.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there. 

Is there a story behind that name?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 29, 2014, 09:18:38 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there. 

Is there a story behind that name?

Not Ecurb Noselrub?
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Siz on December 29, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 29, 2014, 05:07:57 PM
I had figured out who you were  :P. I believe we also know Pain.

Can't find the thread where shit goes down, though.  Search features (understandably) suck for non-members.

Yeah, I read some of Pain's posts without thinking specifically about MLA and then it clicked into place. Seems he's diluted himself a little which can only be good for him. I hope he finds the community he seeks, but fear he's just one of the many youngsters like him who I see come and go at 600. Not sure why I feel sympathy for him. I guess sociopathy likes company, hence Satanist community...!

If y'all really wanna see dark, read into O9A /ONA (Order of the Nine Angles) which is a Masonic-esque Satanic-esque cult that's been going for centuries, allegedly. If it exists as it purports to be and is not all posturing and bravado (like so many believe it to be) it's a rather scary underground amoralist, elitist outfit bent on running the world from below. They consider most humans (i.e not ONA) as Mundanes worthy of extermination for the greater good. It's everything any decent conspiracist would get a hardon for (I got a little chubby on myself!). Very illusive it remains given that the first rule of FightClub is that you do not talk about FightClub! And those that do probably aren't genuine. Anyway, it's an interesting story if nothing else.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 02:51:05 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there. 

Is there a story behind that name?

Noraa Ecurb Noselrub.  NEN.  Aaron Bruce Burleson.  My full name.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 30, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 02:51:05 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there. 

Is there a story behind that name?

Noraa Ecurb Noselrub.  NEN.  Aaron Bruce Burleson.  My full name.

Ah, clever.  Just realized that method would make me ANT.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Eric V Arachnid on December 30, 2014, 08:33:24 AM
We had a female Satanist here a couple of years ago.
It seemed to me she got treated rather shabbily.
Off hand I can't think of anyone else I'd say that about.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2014, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 30, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 02:51:05 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there.  

Is there a story behind that name?

Noraa Ecurb Noselrub.  NEN.  Aaron Bruce Burleson.  My full name.


Ah, clever.  Just realized that method would make me ANT.

I'd be RES.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 30, 2014, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Tank on December 30, 2014, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 30, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 02:51:05 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 29, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I'm NEN there.  

Is there a story behind that name?

Noraa Ecurb Noselrub.  NEN.  Aaron Bruce Burleson.  My full name.


Ah, clever.  Just realized that method would make me ANT.

I'd be RES.

I'd be SZAA. Awkward.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Pasta Chick on December 30, 2014, 12:45:30 PM
EEA
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 30, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
XPE. It's perfectly pronouncable in Gray Realmian.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 30, 2014, 10:46:04 AM

I'd be SZAA. Awkward.

That even sounds Satanic. 
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 30, 2014, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 30, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 30, 2014, 10:46:04 AM

I'd be SZAA. Awkward.

That even sounds Satanic. 

Really? :D I think it sounds like the sound the undead would make while rising from the grave.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Buddy on December 30, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
MRS. Then if I got married it would be Mrs. MRS ;D
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 31, 2014, 04:51:47 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 30, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
MRS. Then if I got married it would be Mrs. MRS ;D

OK, that's the best one so far.
Title: Re: in some light, can't you sympathize with school shooters?
Post by: Asmodean on December 31, 2014, 10:16:46 AM
MRS can also mean magnetic resonance spectroscopy. The Asmo approves of science.