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WTF is wrong with Arizona?

Started by Ali, March 29, 2012, 04:07:49 PM

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Ali

Arizona, you are on The List, for this and many other reasons (how about that whole "Papers please" bullshit you passed a couple of years ago?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizona-birth-control-bill-contraception-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html


QuoteArizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.

Under current law, health plans in Arizona that cover other prescription medications must also cover contraception. House Bill 2625, which the state House of Representatives passed earlier this month and the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed on Monday, repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control.

Moreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.

"The bill goes beyond guaranteeing a person's rights to express and practice their faith," Anjali Abraham, a lobbyist for the ACLU, told the Senate panel, "and instead lets employers prioritize their beliefs over the beliefs, the interests, the needs of their employees, in this case, particularly, female employees."

The sponsor of the bill told the committee that it is intended to protect the First Amendment right to religious liberty.

"I believe we live in America," said Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), who sponsored the bill. "We don't live in the Soviet Union. So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom-and-pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs."

Lesko's bill resembles recent efforts on the federal level to repeal the Obama administration's contraception mandate, which requires most employers to cover contraception with no co-pay for their employees. Obama's rule has a broad religious exemption that allows faith-based organizations to opt out of covering birth control and shifts the burden of coverage over to the insurer in those cases. But many conservatives, including Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), are not satisfied with the exemption and believe all employers should be able to opt out of covering any kind of health service to which they morally object.

Lesko's bill is different from the controversial amendment Blunt proposed, in that it differentiates between birth control used for medical reasons and birth control used to prevent pregnancy. If the new law goes into effect, it will force female employees who can't afford to pay full price for birth control to share private, sometimes embarrassing medical information with her employer in order to get her prescription covered.

Lisa Love, a Glendale, Ariz., resident, testified before the committee about her polycystic ovarian syndrome in order to make a point about how private and personal the issue can be.

"I wouldn't mind showing my employer my medical records," she said, "but there are ten women behind me that would be ashamed to do so."

The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.

Bonus Stupidity Points go to Ms. Lesko for comparing forcing employers to pay for normal health insurance benefits for women to "the Soviet Union" (apparently nobody told this lady that the USSR dissolved in 1991 and is no longer an apt metaphor.  And that the Cold War has been over for a long ass time and we're not enemies anymore.) and making the tired old argument that if Xtians aren't allowed to force their beliefs on others, their religious liberty is being taken away. 

Arizona, you are on The List.

DeterminedJuliet

Yes, because whether a worker likes sex is definitely the "moral" concern of her boss. Can't have all those loose women running around thwarting the will of God! They should be... having babies?

This whole thing reminds me of this Sarah Haskins "target women" segment. (for those who haven't seen her, she mocks all of the ridiculous marketing that's directed towards women. And it's funny.)

http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Tank

The way to deal with this is a country wide boycott of any medical insurance company that offers such a policy.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Ali

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 29, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
Yes, because whether a worker likes sex is definitely the "moral" concern of her boss. Can't have all those loose women running around thwarting the will of God! They should be... having babies?

This whole thing reminds me of this Sarah Haskins "target women" segment. (for those who haven't seen her, she mocks all of the ridiculous marketing that's directed towards women. And it's funny.)

http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao

Happy Period Control!

Sweetdeath

Wow, I am so disgusted and fed up with this self proclaimed "first world" country. This place isnt suitable for a life for my girlfriend and I.

Women's rights just seems to keep going backwards. And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.

Because look how "harmless" a 2000 year old myth and its followers are.

((sorry, having a bad day xD... This just made me rage a bit))
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.

Religion is harmless.

It's people that make things...

Tank

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on March 29, 2012, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.

Religion is harmless.

It's people that make things...
Influenced by their religions. If religion does not influence behaviour it's utterly pointless isn't it?
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Sweetdeath

Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on March 29, 2012, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.

Religion is harmless.

It's people that make things...
Influenced by their religions. If religion does not influence behaviour it's utterly pointless isn't it?

^This

I figured you would care less about women's rights , AD, but now isnt a good time to be a sarcastic guy.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

DeterminedJuliet

I don't think he actually doesn't care. I think he just doesn't "get" when a good or bad time might be to bring something up. Or how emotions play into a conversation.

As time goes on, he's reminding more and more of a Christian Data (no offense intended, AD)

"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Sweetdeath

Nooooo!!
Data is my fav star trek TNG character. He is amazing, and grows with emotions as the series progresses.

Dont compare him to my beloved Data ;___;~

Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
I figured you would care less about women's rights , AD, but now isnt a good time to be a sarcastic guy.

And how do you conclude that I couldn't care less about women's rights?  I was just hoping you'd 'drop-kick' me...  :)

Stevil

USA is seriously going backwards. Heading towards Christian fundamentalism.

Amicale

I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for.  :P


"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb we are bound to others. By every crime and act of kindness we birth our future." - Cloud Atlas

"To live in the hearts of those we leave behind is to never die." -Carl Sagan

Tank

Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for.  :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason'  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Amicale

Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for.  :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason'  :D

Yes, "my cramps are so bad I'll rip your damned jugular out if you don't hand over those pills" might just do it.  :D


"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb we are bound to others. By every crime and act of kindness we birth our future." - Cloud Atlas

"To live in the hearts of those we leave behind is to never die." -Carl Sagan