News: Religion fosters bad behavior

[iplaw]

Yeah, America loves to bomb and invade, but they are not able to cleanup their mess afterwards.

I can't wait to hear the cries from these euros when islamic facists start mythodically destroying their countries from the inside out. In typical cowardly european pre WWII fashion, they are ignoring their impending termination.  They mistakenly believe that they are safe because they are staying neutral in the war on terror.  I have some bad news for you euros, you are target #1.  You don't play by sharia law.  You are seen as westernized and you are readily accessable.  Drink up EU, your first on the Islamic chopping block.

[Tom62]

No sense of humour Big Mac? America, America über alles?
Bush is just a wanker and you know it.

[joeactor]

America, America über alles?
Bush is just a wanker and you know it.

LOL!  

Great phrase Tom62, and even funnier coming from a German.

You definitely have a healthy sense of humor!

What can you say about a president who was outsmarted by a pretzel?
Here's a toy for you from a friend of mine: Georgie

Don't waste too much time feeding the trolls...

[iplaw]

Ooog say, "Bush baadddd, Democrats goooddd. "  See, being a partisan hack is so easy...even a caveman can do it.

[Tom62]

Great phrase Tom62, and even funnier coming from a German.

Although I live in Germany, I'm not German. I should change my flag to that of the Netherlands to avoid confusion.

Bush says that anyone who is not with HIM is with the terrorists. In other words: any dissent is treason. But to quote Thomas Jefferson: "To criticize those in power, is the highest form of patriotism."

[iplaw]

Yeah, but back in Jefferson's day, criticism actually encompassed reasonable thought and discourse; critics actually had something substantive to say unlike today.  People love to criticize the US and Bush concerning foreign affairs, but no one offers any rational alternative to current US policies.  

If you have better ideas, please, enlighten us.

[Tom62]

In typical cowardly european pre WWII fashion, they are ignoring their impending termination. They mistakenly believe that they are safe because they are staying neutral in the war on terror.

You're wrong there. Several European countries (including mine) were  fighting in your "holy" war against Iraq. Germany was neutral because the fu###ng socialist party wanted to win their local elections; France was neutral, because they are fu###ng french.

Unlike the US military action in Afghanistan (which I fully supported), the Iraqi war had nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Al-Quadia roots were in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Bosnia, not Iraq. The main reasons why Iraq was invaded were 1. oil and 2. some unfinished business between the Bush family and Saddam Hussein.

I have some bad news for you euros, you are target #1.  You don't play by sharia law.  You are seen as westernized and you are readily accessable.  Drink up EU, your first on the Islamic chopping block.

How true. I really want to thank Bush's "War against Terrorism" for making the world such a better place to live in . I also want to thank our liberal European leaders for sticking your heads in the sand by ignoring those islamic bastards for years :cry: .

[iplaw]

I do have to say that I whole heartedly agree the last half of your last statement.

Several European countries (including mine) were fighting in your "holy" war against Iraq.

My comment had nothing to do with Iraq, you made that an issue.  You agreed with my premise that the EU is ignoring Islamic fundamentalism, which was my point.  I think you are attempting to say that islamic fundamentalism is a direct result of the war with Iraq.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Riots in France, killings resulting from comic strips in the Netherlands, and so on defeat that argument outright.  What did the US do to deserve 9/11, we weren't in Iraq yet?  How about the rest of these, they all happened before Iraq as well:

June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

Iraqi war had nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Al-Quadia roots were in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Bosnia, not Iraq. The main reasons why Iraq was invaded were 1. oil and 2. some unfinished business between the Bush family and Saddam Hussein.

First, Iraq was a nation that harbored terrorists, they funded groups like Al-Aqsa and Islamic Jihad and their leader systematically tried to exstinguish an entire ethinc group of his own countrymen.  

To think that Al-Qaeda is or was the only threat to the world is simply rediculous.  The US declared a war on terror, not a war on Al-Qaeda.

As to the oil claim:

It's the dumbest of all the rebuttals of US involvment in Iraq.  If our aim was to take over Iraqi oil, we would have accomplished those means by now.  If the war was for oil why is it currently at over $70 a barrell?  If we wanted oil we could have invaded Iran or Saudi Arabia first.

You're missing the bigger picture.  The US is attempting to plant a democracy in the region to put the squeeze on Iran, the head of the snake.  With democratic states on either side of Iran, we embolden the population of Iran, who are mostly pro-Western already and take it down from the inside out.  Iran is the head of the snake and is the one instigating the current crises in the middle east with Hezbollah.

[Big Mac]

No sense of humour Big Mac? America, America über alles?
Bush is just a wanker and you know it.

Yeah well as I recall didn't you guys...oh I don't know....PUT HITLER INTO POWER WILLINGLY!!!! So how does Bush top that wonderful choice of ruler? Not to mention thanks to Germany we have Marxism. So thanks to you guys we have China, North Korea, and formerly the USSR to worry about. So don't start bashing America when we've saved you guys' asses so many times it isn't funny anymore. If it was for us, you Germans would be speaking German!!!!


Ah, just joking....

By the way, we all know the Netherlands is where Peter Pan and Tinkerbell go. Don't try to trick us, you kraut!

In all seriousness, Clintons are wankers just as much. All politicians, lawyers, cops, and anything that deals with the government or authority in general, are wankers.

I don't like Bush because of his work as the Governor of my state. He implemented very poor education ideas and generally made life in Texas worse. Bush isn't a stupid guy, far from it, he just isn't a politician. He's a socialite who used his connections from his rich daddy to become president. Just like every other power-horny leader we have had. I say we just demolish the government  and live in Mad Max style anarchy. At least the people sizing us up for a coffin will be open about it.

[McQ]

I do have to say that I whole heartedly agree the last half of your last statement.

Several European countries (including mine) were fighting in your "holy" war against Iraq.

My comment had nothing to do with Iraq, you made that an issue.  You agreed with my premise that the EU is ignoring Islamic fundamentalism, which was my point.  I think you are attempting to say that islamic fundamentalism is a direct result of the war with Iraq.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Riots in France, killings resulting from comic strips in the Netherlands, and so on defeat that argument outright.  What did the US do to deserve 9/11, we weren't in Iraq yet?  How about the rest of these, they all happened before Iraq as well:

June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

Iraqi war had nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Al-Quadia roots were in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Bosnia, not Iraq. The main reasons why Iraq was invaded were 1. oil and 2. some unfinished business between the Bush family and Saddam Hussein.

First, Iraq was a nation that harbored terrorists, they funded groups like Al-Aqsa and Islamic Jihad and their leader systematically tried to exstinguish an entire ethinc group of his own countrymen.  

To think that Al-Qaeda is or was the only threat to the world is simply rediculous.  The US declared a war on terror, not a war on Al-Qaeda.

As to the oil claim:

It's the dumbest of all the rebuttals of US involvment in Iraq.  If our aim was to take over Iraqi oil, we would have accomplished those means by now.  If the war was for oil why is it currently at over $70 a barrell?  If we wanted oil we could have invaded Iran or Saudi Arabia first.

You're missing the bigger picture.  The US is attempting to plant a democracy in the region to put the squeeze on Iran, the head of the snake.  With democratic states on either side of Iran, we embolden the population of Iran, who are mostly pro-Western already and take it down from the inside out.  Iran is the head of the snake and is the one instigating the current crises in the middle east with Hezbollah.

Don't forget February, 1993. WTC bombing. Thanks to Osama.

[iplaw]

McQ:

Are you familiar with Robert Young Pelton?  He has been cataloging and visiting the world's most dangerous places for about 20 years.  It blew me away when I started reading about most of these various islamic fundamentalist organizations and what they have been up to for the last 30 or 40 years.  Truly scarry.

He has updated his site with this interactive Wiki type map.  Click on any country linked to an click on [/]The Players[/u] links.  It gives you a fairly good summation of most of the dangerous groups around the world.

http://comebackalive.com/site3.php?section_id=666

Here is the older site with more country information.  The new site has yet to have all the information transfered to it.

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dplaces.htm

[iplaw]

For all those who think GWB is the cause of islamic extremism and that the Taliban liked the US when Slick Willie was in office, here is a little rant by Mullah Omar about Bill Clinton.  This should give you an idea that they don't give two sh*ts about who is in office:

Mullah Omar was quoted as saying that Clinton should be stoned to death for becoming involved with a woman who is not his wife. "Clinton is a confessed sinner and a bad person," and "It is absolutely not possible to negotiate with such a person and he should be removed [from power] and stoned to death. He is of bad character."

Here is another little choice quote from Mr. Binny in 1998, long before GWB:


The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty Allah: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.  

[McQ]

McQ:

Are you familiar with Robert Young Pelton?  He has been cataloging and visiting the world's most dangerous places for about 20 years.  It blew me away when I started reading about most of these various islamic fundamentalist organizations and what they have been up to for the last 30 or 40 years.  Truly scarry.

He has updated his site with this interactive Wiki type map.  Click on any country linked to an click on [/]The Players[/u] links.  It gives you a fairly good summation of most of the dangerous groups around the world.

http://comebackalive.com/site3.php?section_id=666

Here is the older site with more country information.  The new site has yet to have all the information transfered to it.

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dplaces.htm

For some reason his name is familiar, but I'm not remembering why. Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.

[iplaw]

If I was a single guy I would be REALLY open to the idea of visiting those countries just to see if I could complete the list.  His book is a travel guide for dangerous vacations and thrill seekers, but the older I get, just getting out of bed in the morning becomes a dangerous event, especially if my wife notices I forgot to take out the trash the night before...

[McQ]

If I was a single guy I would be REALLY open to the idea of visiting those countries just to see if I could complete the list.  His book is a travel guide for dangerous vacations and thrill seekers, but the older I get, just getting out of bed in the morning becomes a dangerous event, especially if my wife notices I forgot to take out the trash the night before...

I hear ya'.