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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2017, 09:11:56 PM »
mags:
Assuming god and hell are real, there's a reason why god sent someone there, isn't there? Why would god send you there, and then save you?


It's real simple mags, the creator of the universe, is a petty, spiteful prick.

There is that possibility.  :notsure:

...Now the question is:
Why would someone kneel before a petty, spiteful prick?  :eyebrow:

Because you can't get away from people telling you about it, who says the petty spiteful prick is always there, always watching.

But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2017, 09:18:35 PM »
The only thing I wonder is, is it believed in Christianity that if one calls out to Jesus that he will save them, or that he is a light? There are so many of these videos where people describe the exact same events.

Both.  Seriously, you didn't hear these growing up?

Well manga hasn't been instilled in American creationism. Originally from Ukraine.

Um...no.  :notsure:

Please allow me to correct you.
...

Ok, I'm 15, my family is originally from Ukraine, but of Turkish origin. I think they moved from Turkey to Ukraine many generations ago, so they practice Christian faith now. I was brought up in North America, so I attended a Catholic school.
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Davin asked:
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Ok, I'm 15, my family is originally from Ukraine, but of Turkish origin. I think they moved from Turkey to Ukraine many generations ago, so they practice Christian faith now. I was brought up in North America, so I attended a Catholic school.
Like Canada?

I was gonna ask: Like Mexico?  :lol:
 :secrets1:(Mexico is also located in North America)

Anyways...
There it is.

manga attended a Catholic school but doesn't know much about Jesus.


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2017, 09:19:44 PM »
The only thing I wonder is, is it believed in Christianity that if one calls out to Jesus that he will save them, or that he is a light? There are so many of these videos where people describe the exact same events.

Both.  Seriously, you didn't hear these growing up?

Even works with adults. Any training scheme is designed to get the people on it thinking the same way about the same things. In the army, after a period of basic training, with dire punishments for infringement of the rules, not doing what the sergeant major (aka "god") or his accolytes, says becomes almost unthinkable. It's also called "conditioning", even "brain washing"; making others, by repeated suggestions and threats, conform with imposed ideas and rules.

If you get old soldiers talking you will hear the same anecdotes over and over again, and similar "tall stories". Shared experience during formative years, or strictly imposed behaviour and thought patterns in later years, creates shared memory, shared imagination, shared responses.

It is the very opposite of independent, personal thought and action. For some it works, they need the rules, others are capable of rational behaviour, recognising that common rules exist naturally. They have the intelligence and integrity to conform with these without the need of threats beyond those imposed by mutually protective laws developed from those common rules.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2017, 09:22:06 PM »


...Now the question is:
Why would someone kneel before a petty, spiteful prick?  :eyebrow:

 :o

Yeah, that didn't come out right, did it?  :notsure:

Spoiler: show
Or maybe it did. :smug:


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2017, 09:39:54 PM »


...Now the question is:
Why would someone kneel before a petty, spiteful prick?  :eyebrow:

 :o

Yeah, that didn't come out right, did it?  :notsure:

Spoiler: show
Or maybe it did. :smug:


Not touching that one, I'm just not.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2017, 09:55:41 PM »


...Now the question is:
Why would someone kneel before a petty, spiteful prick?  :eyebrow:

 :o

Yeah, that didn't come out right, did it?  :notsure:

Spoiler: show
Or maybe it did. :smug:


Not touching that one, I'm just not.

No one started it.  :unsure:

Maybe it's true. Maybe someone said, "We will call him petty, spiteful prick."
That explains this:
Sephora:  "Today he sleeps."

Moses:  "Who sleeps?"

Sephora:  "He who has no name."

There's a difference between translating and interpreting.  >:(


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2017, 12:10:51 AM »
Is God Voldemort?
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2017, 12:33:58 AM »
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There's a difference between translating and interpreting. 

That is profound, Mags.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2017, 02:54:51 AM »
. . . fear which shields me from being rational, as my fear takes over.

You've described it very well here, manga. As Jonathan Swift said: "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired."

Until you decide that you're not going to let irrational fear dictate your beliefs, no amount of contrary evidence and logical discussion is going to have much effect. Only when you're willing to let go of the stuff you had poured into your ears when you were younger can you move past this. If you need absolute certainty about this and other topics, you aren't going to find them anywhere but in religion. Maybe you can learn to stifle your doubts or put them aside and go back to accepting the (in my opinion) false certainties that religion provides. If not, given time perhaps you'll be able to reconcile yourself to accepting that even if reason and evidence cannot provide absolute certainty, they're more reliable than YouTube testimonies and people selling books about their experiences in a supposedly spiritual realm.
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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2017, 08:14:16 AM »
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There's a difference between translating and interpreting. 

That is profound, Mags.

I was going for "funny" but "profound" is good.  :snicker:


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2017, 08:20:40 AM »
Is God Voldemort?

Sure, why not, in one's crazy realm, anyone can be a god.  :shrug:

I wouldn't kneel before Voldemort, but I wouldn't mind kneeling before this god:


:tellmemore:


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2017, 09:33:54 AM »
Is God Voldemort?

Sure, why not, in one's crazy realm, anyone can be a god.  :shrug:

I wouldn't kneel before Voldemort, but I wouldn't mind kneeling before this god:


:tellmemore:

I heard this god doesn't like pupusas... 8)



Sorry, but neither Jesus or Allah can save you, looks like it's some Hindu god.



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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2017, 10:17:58 AM »
Is God Voldemort?

Sure, why not, in one's crazy realm, anyone can be a god.  :shrug:

I wouldn't kneel before Voldemort, but I wouldn't mind kneeling before this god:


:tellmemore:

I heard this god doesn't like pupusas... 8)

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He could learn to like them.  :P


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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2017, 11:01:53 AM »
Is God Voldemort?

Sure, why not, in one's crazy realm, anyone can be a god.  :shrug:

I wouldn't kneel before Voldemort, but I wouldn't mind kneeling before this god:


:tellmemore:

I heard this god doesn't like pupusas... 8)

My dear, dear, grumpy Father Bruno, you're having an extremely, extremely busy Monday morning and instead of stopping to smell the wet roses in your garden you stop to break my heart.  >:(

 :cryandrun:





He could learn to like them.  :P

I think Elaine from Seinfeld tried taking that conversion route one time with a guy she really liked, but it didn't work out, something about how you can't compete with people from the other team who own same equipment because it gives them an unfair advantage over those who don't have access to the equipment all of the time.



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Re: Scared of Hell, do you think this is accurate?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2017, 11:08:10 AM »
. . . fear which shields me from being rational, as my fear takes over.

You've described it very well here, manga. As Jonathan Swift said: "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired."

Until you decide that you're not going to let irrational fear dictate your beliefs, no amount of contrary evidence and logical discussion is going to have much effect. Only when you're willing to let go of the stuff you had poured into your ears when you were younger can you move past this. If you need absolute certainty about this and other topics, you aren't going to find them anywhere but in religion. Maybe you can learn to stifle your doubts or put them aside and go back to accepting the (in my opinion) false certainties that religion provides. If not, given time perhaps you'll be able to reconcile yourself to accepting that even if reason and evidence cannot provide absolute certainty, they're more reliable than YouTube testimonies and people selling books about their experiences in a supposedly spiritual realm.

What Recusant says is very relevant to your situation.

Manga. You're 15. You're going through a time of great turmoil. At your age I was the school expert on UFOs. There was nothing I didn't know about them. I had all the books of Erich von Däniken and he could do no wrong as far as I was concerned. I was right and I knew everything. I remember how I felt then trying to make sense of the Universe. Eventually I learned that I would believe what I wanted to. If you choose to believe in Hell it will exist for you as surly as if it were real. Do you really want to go down that route for the rest of your life?
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