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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2017, 09:48:11 PM »
Yes and the human population is rapidly increasing at a higher and higher increment every year.

Population is increasing, certainly. However the rate of growth has been dropping for some time now.

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The world’s population has grown exponentially in the last 100 years, but the rate of growth has declined drastically in recent decades and is expected to continue decreasing through the middle of the 21st century.

That's weird. I guess there are still more babies being made than their parents.

Not so. We passed peak child in 2015. Technically humanity is now heading for extinction.

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But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2017, 09:54:58 PM »

I don't know what to think anymore. Everyone is saying something different!

If you extend that graph out into the future the blue line will peak and start going down.  To quote C3PO, "we're doomed!"

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2017, 10:06:54 PM »
We have a long way to go in the population dropping before we have to start worrying about genetic diversity.

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 10:14:42 PM »
The human race was possibly down to 2000 individuals 150 000 yesrs ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080424-humans-extinct.html

"... probably due to climate change ..."

That's pretty low diversity!
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2017, 01:07:30 PM »
The human race was possibly down to 2000 individuals 150 000 yesrs ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080424-humans-extinct.html

"... probably due to climate change ..."

That's pretty low diversity!
By then we'll all be gene edited and optimised anyway. It's conceivable that in the next millennia gene optimisation for humans will be the norm not the exception. In 150,000 years we may not even be recognisable as humans.
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2017, 08:08:46 AM »
There has been recent debate about "killer robots" and, in a BBC Workd Service item about the management of the Korean DMZ there was a mention of the Samsung SGR-A1 gun that can operate autonomously.

Despite my interest in how reality follows sc-fi I find this worrying. At the moment this is, hopefully, effectively a defence device in an area that all know is a no-go zone for people armed in any way. I remember a few years ago optical systems that could distinguish between a man carrying  a rifle and one carrying a broom.

The discrimination system has almost certainly improved since then and, potentially, this is an improvement over mine-fields, physical or optical "trip wires" and other non-discriminating systems. However it is still a worrying trend, especially when linked to the work on autonomous vehicles.

Are "Robot Wars" really on the edge of being a fact?

Later: rereading the Wiki article it seems the SGR-A1 may not be that discriminating if it only has IR detection. It does seem to have a "vision system" as well but is this "manual" only or backed up by an automated recognition system? Too secret to know.
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2017, 05:20:12 PM »
Robot Wars or Robot Police. Which is scarier?
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2017, 03:12:57 PM »
I think it should be an international agreement to never let a machine make a decision to kill a human. The debugging alone would be a nightmare.

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2017, 03:15:59 PM »
I think it should be an international agreement to never let a machine make a decision to kill a human. The debugging alone would be a nightmare.

A lot of "names" seem to be working on that, but getting some regimes to comply will probably be impossible. And if some regimes have it . . .

I bet the counterneasures people are working hard on this. And the counter-countermeasures people of course.
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2017, 09:25:17 PM »
I think it should be an international agreement to never let a machine make a decision to kill a human. The debugging alone would be a nightmare.

There has been talk about this and that a human must always be in the 'kill decision chain'. What these people fail to realise is that Close In Weapon Systems (CIWS) on ships are autonomous and have been for decades. Now these systems are primarily designed to take out missiles but could equally take out manned aircraft.

I agree with the prohibition of an AI having direct control of a kill scenario.
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2017, 07:52:45 PM »
Not quite the positronic brain yet . . .

Seems that an African scientist has managed to integrate organic neurons into electronic sensors for explosives sensing.

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In new leap for AI: computer chips that can smell

http://en.prothom-alo.com/science-technology/news/157849/In-new-leap-for-AI-computer-chips-that-can-smell

They have been on about the "electronic nose"  for this purpose and as a diagnostic tool for many years, but those based on mass spectrometers are bulky and expensive. No idea yet as to the cost of this one but it seems to have garnered industrial interest. However, the concept of the neuronic-electronic link was one of the "dreams" of computer gurus before they switched to looking down the quantum tunnel.

Elon Musk is thinking about enhancing the brain with implanted computers - will this lead to the interface he needs? Not sure whether to be excited or worried, despite my enjoyment of such things in sci-fi

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2017, 11:42:06 AM »
Just in case you wondered how neural networks work . . .

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2017, 12:53:54 AM »
Dave: Please do me a favor. capture this video and let me send it by e mail to my most respected young friend  in Lithuania. PM me if you will  ....

 Justinas is a brilliant young man who is living in a nation that is not doing well in the economic or political sense.  He is a classical guitarist with some notable skills. He holds a masters degree in Music and is a teacher of music in a school in his city. The pay scale for him and his peers is absurdly small, barely a subsistence wage. He is working his brain and his ass off to learn the IT game.  He has worked on the Python method and is now deep into the JAVA routines. 

Here is a young guy who is more than worthy of any help that we can give him.  I don't even know if this video would be useful. I am a total dumb ass about things of that sort. If it would be even mildly interesting to a dedicated student, then maybe he can use it.

Any of the rest of my HAF friends who are IT specialists are also invited to communicate with him with whatever encouragement and help that you might provide.  This is a good guy who is trying his damnedest to get himself into a more prosperous line of work than his present position.  He is also one of us as a non believer.

I met Justinas on another forum that is a lot of technical stuff about boats. He is a bright student of marine architecture that I have mentored for some time. That was some five or six years ago. He has visited me in the states on two occasions with a limited bit of my help to offset the expense of the trips.

Any help that any of you can contribute will be most appreciated by me and by him.  One other thing... he is very fluent in English and has some limited grasp of German, Polish, and Russian. He can also readily translate metric to Imperial dimensions in his head. He is Twenty seven years old, a bachelor who likes women but has not allowed his libido to overwhelm his common sense or decency, a tall and some would say handsome fellow who is worth whatever modest help we might give him....

I sincerely hope that I am not getting out of line with this request.  I may even get into trouble with him but I will take that risk.. He does have some gentlemanly pride.

 

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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2017, 01:10:52 AM »
Icarus, maybe it would be better to remove his e-mail address from the public forum and PM it instead, your friend might start to receive a bunch of unsolicited junk e-mail otherwise.

Or at the very least maybe substitute the @ for |at|, that way I believe the spambots won't pick up on it.

 
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Re: artificial inteligence
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2017, 06:17:17 AM »
Thank you Silver. 

Done.