Some of you may have noticed AoD is listed as banned. This is not the case as yet. His account has been suspended subject to discussion. A couple of days ago I noted that he had been editing a lot (if not all) of his posts. I checked his posts and he has also edited some of his posts to 'deleted'.
A forum is the sum of its posts. Revisionism is not acceptable. I banned AoD so he could do more damage and have started a discussion in the staff forum. If anybody would like to add their thoughts on this action/subject I would love to discuss them here.
You guys seem pretty fair with the amount of shit you tolerate on this forum. In fact, it is the main reason I stayed. For me, personally, I don't care if the likes of the Angel of Deaths come here and spew their mental sewage, I'll just ignore the trollish asshats, if they become that irritating. This is your domain, if you see fit to banish the acerbic bottom feeders, then so be it,
I am happy to give anyone a chance to develop a discussion but am intolerant of prosetylising in any form or direction. Make an offer and be willing to consider another's point of view - OK. Simply posting your beliefs - just not on.
Quote from: No one on December 23, 2017, 09:44:20 AM
You guys seem pretty fair with the amount of shit you tolerate on this forum. In fact, it is the main reason I stayed. For me, personally, I don't care if the likes of the Angel of Deaths come here and spew their mental sewage, I'll just ignore the trollish asshats, if they become that irritating. This is your domain, if you see fit to banish the acerbic bottom feeders, then so be it,
Quote from: Dave on December 23, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
I am happy to give anyone a chance to develop a discussion but am intolerant of prosetylising in any form or direction. Make an offer and be willing to consider another's point of view - OK. Simply posting your beliefs - just not on.
I second the above.
I have a bit of a thing about revisionism. I don't have an issue with the odd "Oh shit I shouldn't have said that!" But reviewing onhes whole posting history is pushing it as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: Tank on December 23, 2017, 11:43:47 AM
I have a bit of a thing about revisionism. I don't have an issue with the odd "Oh shit I shouldn't have said that!" But reviewing onhes whole posting history is pushing it as far as I am concerned.
Agreed, I have removed one or two of my posts and rewritten the odd one but, I think, always given a reason for doing so.
He's been trolling us since his first post. Fuck him.
It takes a hellova lot of privilege to think proper discourse involves letting someone be heard on whether or not groups they don't belong to are human, or that this even warrants discussion in the first place.
Quote from: Tank on December 23, 2017, 11:43:47 AM
I have a bit of a thing about revisionism. I don't have an issue with the odd "Oh shit I shouldn't have said that!" But reviewing onhes whole posting history is pushing it as far as I am concerned.
IMO, if a person makes a mistake or would like to take back what they have said then they should own it and accept correction, not go back and edit all their posts so that it looks like they never said it, like AoD did. It's a dishonest approach, and IMO therefore unacceptable.
So...AngelofDeath came here, threw up all over the place, and tried to clean it up?
I still think that he was an immature person, in age or otherwise. Hopefully thiis will be an educational experience.
Quote from: Magdalena on December 23, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
So...AngelofDeath came here, threw up all over the place, tried to clean it up, and left? :shrug:
I don't think he left. I have suspended (temporarily banned) his account until we have guidence on revisionism.
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Tank:I don't think he left. I have suspended (temporarily banned) his account until we have guidence on revisionism.[
True, AOD annoys me some. On the other hand I think that it is healthy to be annoyed by disagreeing with someones point of view. This person has not really given us much food for thought so I value his/her input as less than stimulating.
We pride ourselves on being, or believing ourselves to be, thinkers. When we slam the door on other states of mind, we are not being as wise or as tolerant as we might believe ourselves to be. It is a lead pipe cinch that many of us, most of us, any of us, can easily defeat a religionist or similar crackpot in a rational debate. The problem is that so many religious zealots can not find it in their hearts or minds to accept that they have been defeated. In that case there is no point in continuing to endure his/her disingenuous palaver
With that, I readily accept that the judgement of the administrators is in the best interests of this remarkably happy group that we call HAFers.
Quote from: Tank on December 23, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 23, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
So...AngelofDeath came here, threw up all over the place, tried to clean it up, and left? :shrug:
I don't think he left. I have suspended (temporarily banned) his account until we have guidence on revisionism.
I didn't say he left...
Who said that?
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I don't know.
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original quote.
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Quote from: Icarus on December 24, 2017, 12:23:26 AM
When we slam the door on other states of mind, we are not being as wise or as tolerant as we might believe ourselves to be.
I don't think of this as slamming the door on another state of mind, but as punishment for attempted gaslighting. Altho many of us objected to what AoD wrote, his suspension was for retroactively changing or deleting his old posts rather than simply writing a new post regarding his change of mind about this or that. Or whatever it was that made him want change his old posts. Difference of opinion is acceptable, dishonesty is not.
^ Duly noted Books.
Quote from: Icarus on December 24, 2017, 12:23:26 AM
True, AOD annoys me some. On the other hand I think that it is healthy to be annoyed by disagreeing with someones point of view. This person has not really given us much food for thought so I value his/her input as less than stimulating.
We pride ourselves on being, or believing ourselves to be, thinkers. When we slam the door on other states of mind, we are not being as wise or as tolerant as we might believe ourselves to be. It is a lead pipe cinch that many of us, most of us, any of us, can easily defeat a religionist or similar crackpot in a rational debate. The problem is that so many religious zealots can not find it in their hearts or minds to accept that they have been defeated. In that case there is no point in continuing to endure his/her disingenuous palaver
With that, I readily accept that the judgement of the administrators is in the best interests of this remarkably happy group that we call HAFers.
Icarus
This has nothing to do with what he posts but the fact that he later deletes it and edits it. Unfortunatly I don't know what he deleted or what he revised. He went through what looks like pretty much all his posts on the 21st Dec and edited or deleted them.
Quote from: Magdalena on December 24, 2017, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: Tank on December 23, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 23, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
So...AngelofDeath came here, threw up all over the place, tried to clean it up, and left? :shrug:
I don't think he left. I have suspended (temporarily banned) his account until we have guidence on revisionism.
I didn't say he left...
Who said that?
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I don't know.
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Tsk...tsk...
:lol:
Quote from: Icarus on December 24, 2017, 12:23:26 AM
True, AOD annoys me some. On the other hand I think that it is healthy to be annoyed by disagreeing with someones point of view. This person has not really given us much food for thought so I value his/her input as less than stimulating.
We pride ourselves on being, or believing ourselves to be, thinkers. When we slam the door on other states of mind, we are not being as wise or as tolerant as we might believe ourselves to be. It is a lead pipe cinch that many of us, most of us, any of us, can easily defeat a religionist or similar crackpot in a rational debate. The problem is that so many religious zealots can not find it in their hearts or minds to accept that they have been defeated. In that case there is no point in continuing to endure his/her disingenuous palaver
With that, I readily accept that the judgement of the administrators is in the best interests of this remarkably happy group that we call HAFers.
Just to add to what Books and Tank wrote, his presence and very unpopular opinions were tolerated by the staff.
It's not a case of slamming the door on other points of view, it has more to do with putting AoD in a straitjacket so he can't go back and delete/revise his posts. ;)
* Edited to switch "can go back" for "can't go back". ::)
String him up!
I think stopping the editing of posts after a few hours (like 2-6 hours), is probably a good idea.
Quote from: Davin on January 02, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
I think stopping the editing of posts after a few hours (like 2-6 hours), is probably a good idea.
I'll have a look at that.
Quote from: Tank on January 02, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 02, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
I think stopping the editing of posts after a few hours (like 2-6 hours), is probably a good idea.
I'll have a look at that.
I have met that rule on other forums.
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Quote from: Tank on January 02, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 02, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
I think stopping the editing of posts after a few hours (like 2-6 hours), is probably a good idea.
I'll have a look at that.
Not to mention deleting posts within a similar time frame. AOD deleted his brilliant argument in the "911/Conspiracy" thread.
I see restrictive editing as superfluous. We've had one user abuse the current freedom, and that user was problematic anyway. No point in forcing tighter rules on the rest of us for it. Autocorrect is atrocious on my new phone and I frequently edit things long after the fact. Also sometimes when I get too tired my grammar goes to shit.
ETA most groups I'm in just have a rule that states if you edit posts to fuck with other users or the general flow of conversation, your ass gets banned.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on January 03, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
I see restrictive editing as superfluous. We've had one user abuse the current freedom, and that user was problematic anyway. No point in forcing tighter rules on the rest of us for it. Autocorrect is atrocious on my new phone and I frequently edit things long after the fact. Also sometimes when I get too tired my grammar goes to shit.
ETA most groups I'm in just have a rule that states if you edit posts to fuck with other users or the general flow of conversation, your ass gets banned.
Good points. Noted.
I agree with Pasta Chick. I think the administration here is more than up to the task of dealing with the occasional miscreant. For my money, editing old posts is not a problem if it is correcting spelling, grammar or punctuation without changing the meaning. If you want to change the meaning then write a new post instead.