Looks like it's "Leave."
Does this mean the the end of Cameron and the rise of Boris?
And Scotland wanted to "Remain." Will they now leave the UK and join the EU as an independent nation?
Unexpected. I think this is a glowingly-good example of what can happen if you mobilise your couch voters. The leaves were just somewhat more successful than the stays at it.
The Mirror writes:
Quote from: mirror.co.uk
Farage claims he's won Brexit 'without a bullet being fired'
Nigel Farage has claimed he has won Brexit "without a single bullet being fired".
The Ukip leader's highly inflammatory comments at a Leave.EU victory party in London come just a week after Remain-backing Labour MP Jo Cox was shot dead.
He told supporters: "The dawn is breaking on an independent United Kingdom!"
The millionaire former banker was met with roars of approval as he told backers: "We have fought against the multinationals, we have fought against the big merchant banks we fought against big politics, we fought against lies, corruption and deceit
Source (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-8262829)
...So the lady who got killed over this..? She was stabbed with them bullets, right? Because not a single one was fired, yes?
Also, Cameron resigned. I've read something earlier about some vote taking place to keep him in the office? I guess he felt he had to go over this issue?
...Also, what is this Article 50, that's being mentioned both here and there with not a single reference to where they've got it from..? :(
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 24, 2016, 05:08:53 AM
And Scotland wanted to "Remain." Will they now leave the UK and join the EU as an independent nation?
Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly in favour of staying too.
So, we've decided to leave. The next thing will be that the establishment try to reach a settlement with which they try to fool the British people that we're out, but which really will still be a concealed 'in'.
Leaving is a very worrying move and some things will go badly, but despite temporary chaos I believe that it's the right thing for the long term. The EU is a sinking ship and will break up in chaos with or without Britain.
Cameron has announced that he will resign in a few months. I think that is the right decision.
Quote from: Asmodean on June 24, 2016, 08:43:51 AM
Unexpected. I think this is a glowingly-good example of what can happen if you mobilise your couch voters. The leaves were just somewhat more successful than the stays at it.
The Mirror writes:
Quote from: mirror.co.uk
Farage claims he's won Brexit 'without a bullet being fired'
Nigel Farage has claimed he has won Brexit "without a single bullet being fired".
The Ukip leader's highly inflammatory comments at a Leave.EU victory party in London come just a week after Remain-backing Labour MP Jo Cox was shot dead.
He told supporters: "The dawn is breaking on an independent United Kingdom!"
The millionaire former banker was met with roars of approval as he told backers: "We have fought against the multinationals, we have fought against the big merchant banks we fought against big politics, we fought against lies, corruption and deceit
Source (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-8262829)
...So the lady who got killed over this..? She was stabbed with them bullets, right? Because not a single one was fired, yes?
Also, Cameron resigned. I've read something earlier about some vote taking place to keep him in the office? I guess he felt he had to go over this issue?
...Also, what is this Article 50, that's being mentioned both here and there with not a single reference to where they've got it from..? :(
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 24, 2016, 05:08:53 AM
And Scotland wanted to "Remain." Will they now leave the UK and join the EU as an independent nation?
Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly in favour of staying too.
Article 50 is the procedure for setting in motion the process of extricating us I believe.
If only people under 50 had been allowed to vote, it would have been the other outcome apparently. You can't do that, but it's more their world than mine. Neither choice was appealing, but isolationist position is an unenviable one, especially when no-one can predict anything with certainty, (except that our beloved PM will never wonder where his next meal is coming from).
I have to say I was really really shocked. I thought it would be about 60/40 for remain.
I still think the USA and the U.K. ought to unite. We would kick ass. USAS - United States of Anglo-Saxons. Canada, too.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 24, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
I still think the USA and the U.K. ought to unite. We would kick ass. USAS - United States of Anglo-Saxons. Canada, too.
What you really mean are the native English speakers. And you can all have the Queen back as head of state.
Quote from: OldGit on June 24, 2016, 09:30:55 AM
So, we've decided to leave. The next thing will be that the establishment try to reach a settlement with which they try to fool the British people that we're out, but which really will still be a concealed 'in'.
Leaving is a very worrying move and some things will go badly, but despite temporary chaos I believe that it's the right thing for the long term. The EU is a sinking ship and will break up in chaos with or without Britain.
Cameron has announced that he will resign in a few months. I think that is the right decision.
What's done is done. And you can bet your life that the Brexiters will be blamed for everything that ever goes wrong again. The first thing will be a price rise in petrol as oil in paid for in dollars. But that won't worry some people as they don't use petrol or diesel :D
Quote from: Tank on June 24, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 24, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
I still think the USA and the U.K. ought to unite. We would kick ass. USAS - United States of Anglo-Saxons. Canada, too.
What you really mean are the native English speakers. And you can all have the Queen back as head of state.
We like the Queen. Since she has no power, I'm fine with that. Or England could just be a separate group of states with that tradition: New England, Old England.
Native English speakers have a lot in common. Unification makes sense.
Quote from: Tank on June 24, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 24, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
I still think the USA and the U.K. ought to unite. We would kick ass. USAS - United States of Anglo-Saxons. Canada, too.
What you really mean are the native English speakers. And you can all have the Queen back as head of state.
No no no no no no no no... Please. I beg you. No more tabloids covers. No more discussions about who will be king or queen. No more royal weddings. Every time the US press covers the royals I want to shoot my TV. Every time my Facebook feed fills up with royal wedding crap I want troll harder than Music Loving Atheist. Why is Kate so "admired"? What has she ever done besides look pretty and pump out babies? Hell, your economy's going downhill now with Brexit, why not dump the monarchy and all the money spent on it to make up for it?
Sure, we'll take you on, but dump the Queen. We'll dump the deep South. I'll keep Texas since Ecurb's more worthy than the damn Queen and her brethren.
Quote from: TankThe first thing will be a price rise in petrol as oil in paid for in dollars. But that won't worry some people as they don't use petrol or diesel :D
Sadly, autogas is distilled from oil and will also get dearer. So will a lot of other things, but we'll have to grin and bear it. Things will look different in a few years.
Man, and the shipping cost calculations for my company were already very complicated to deal with for the EU... I can't wait to dig into the changes with this...
It's a huge experiment, that's for certain.
Not sure where it's gonna end up, but it's time to buy stock if you've got spare $$$
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Interesting times we live in. :popcorn:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 03:55:36 PM
Interesting times we live in. :popcorn:
Isn't that a Chinese curse?
Quote from: OldGit on June 24, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: TankThe first thing will be a price rise in petrol as oil in paid for in dollars. But that won't worry some people as they don't use petrol or diesel :D
Sadly, autogas is distilled from oil and will also get dearer. So will a lot of other things, but we'll have to grin and bear it. Things will look different in a few years.
Is it not, in a way, a bi-product of subsea drilling and such..? I must admit, I'm a bit weak on the details. Is it at least a propane/butane mixture?
In France, for instance, you get a Propane/Butane mixture which varies from summer to winter. There's a lot more energy in Butane but it doesn't vaporise at low temperatures, so they put the Propane in for pressure. In the UK the measly buggers give you 100% Propane all year round.
Quote from: Tom62 on June 24, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 03:55:36 PM
Interesting times we live in. :popcorn:
Isn't that a Chinese curse?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. :query:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on June 24, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 03:55:36 PM
Interesting times we live in. :popcorn:
Isn't that a Chinese curse?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. :query:
"May you live in interesting times" is rumored to be an ancient Chinese curse
Quote from: joeactor on June 24, 2016, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on June 24, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 24, 2016, 03:55:36 PM
Interesting times we live in. :popcorn:
Isn't that a Chinese curse?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. :query:
"May you live in interesting times" is rumored to be an ancient Chinese curse
Hmm. :chin:
Maybe the world is going through a cursed moment, I don't know. So much crap seems to be happening. :notsure:
Meanwhile back at the ranch.................. There is a nut group in Texas called Texas Nationalist Movement. They claim to be the largest group in the state or maybe the nation. They are inspired by the result of Brexit and they are endorsing the idea of Texit. That is to say that they want to secede to become a sovereign nation. Apparently they are dead serious about this.
Quote from: Icarus on June 24, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
Meanwhile back at the ranch.................. There is a nut group in Texas called Texas Nationalist Movement. They claim to be the largest group in the state or maybe the nation. They are inspired by the result of Brexit and they are endorsing the idea of Texit. That is to say that they want to secede to become a sovereign nation. Apparently they are dead serious about this.
This has been going on for awhile. Won't happen. Although our economy is as big as Brazil's and we have more guns than the rest of the world combined, it seems. We could probably survive. About half the USA would be happy to see us go. But it ain't gonna happen. If Texas tried to secede, President Obama would order the two divisions at Fort Hood to occupy the capitol in Austin and that would be the end of it.
The latest New Yorker cover:
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Well, you Brits have done it now. The value of my retirement fund has taken a dive.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 25, 2016, 06:08:54 AM
Well, you Brits have done it now. The value of my retirement fund has taken a dive.
It'll come back have no fear.
This made me laugh! We spend a couple of centuries acting in a way that makes Mormons and JWs look shy and retiring and then this!
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Also, you can complain about immigrants after having colonised half the world.
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QuoteBREXIT will be followed by Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.
Credit : Imtiaz Mahmood.
Well Rupert Murdoch got his wish.
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How likely is this to further destabilize the UK, considering the results from Gibraltar, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
Quote from: Asmodean on June 25, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
How likely is this to further destabilize the UK, considering the results from Gibraltar, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
I think that we can say goodbye to the UK as an entity. Brexit was all about English xenophobia.
Quote from: Tank on June 25, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on June 25, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
How likely is this to further destabilize the UK, considering the results from Gibraltar, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
I think that we can say goodbye to the UK as an entity. Brexit was all about English xenophobia.
You'll still have the Welsh.
Warning, gif ahead! :shifty:
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Seems there's a petition for a re-referundum - running at 2 000 000 odd sigs with + 150 000 per hour.
Haven't found the link yet.
If there is another one I hope that no politicking is allowed: no speeches, no debates, no arguing, no howling and no barking. Let us, the people, decide for ourselves.
Put Osbourne, Gove, Boris and Farage in a padded room 'til it's over.
Petition link is
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215)
Everyone knew the vote was coming. Basically everyone in the world who had his/her eyes open knew there was a vote on the UK leaving or remaining. If someone didn't vote - tough. I don't agree with immediate re-referendums. People had their chance.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 25, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Everyone knew the vote was coming. Basically everyone in the world who had his/her eyes open knew there was a vote on the UK leaving on remaining. If someone didn't vote - tough. I don't agree with immediate re-referendums. People had their chance.
Agreed.
Of course, Luxembourg is one of the "Inner Six" and a founding member of the EU. Had Asmo simply smitten it thoroughly years ago none of this would have occurred. The rest of Europe would have learned from his example.
Why do I get this feeling that all the mouthy Brexiteers are now trying to keep a low profile? Now denying that they offered this and that bright future for a "free" Britsin.
Perhaps they suddenly find that Pandora's box holds no treasures at all, just pain and misery.
I always knew leaving would bring big troubles short-term. I think that in the long run we shall watch the chaos of a collapsing EU and be glad we got out of it.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 25, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Everyone knew the vote was coming. Basically everyone in the world who had his/her eyes open knew there was a vote on the UK leaving or remaining. If someone didn't vote - tough. I don't agree with immediate re-referendums. People had their chance.
Precisely. This petition stinks of "I didn't like the results. Do-over! DO-OVER!" While politicians are often comparable to kindergarteners, the rest of us really ought to have enough respect for each other's right to an opinion not to call for do-overs unless some serious flaws in the process have been demonstrated.
Quote from: Asmodean on June 26, 2016, 10:30:26 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 25, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Everyone knew the vote was coming. Basically everyone in the world who had his/her eyes open knew there was a vote on the UK leaving or remaining. If someone didn't vote - tough. I don't agree with immediate re-referendums. People had their chance.
Precisely. This petition stinks of "I didn't like the results. Do-over! DO-OVER!" While politicians are often comparable to kindergarteners, the rest of us really ought to have enough respect for each other's right to an opinion not to call for do-overs unless some serious flaws in the process have been demonstrated.
It does stink of bad losers. I think the result was stupid but it is what it is and only time will the degree of stupidity.
My wife and I were discussing this and thought that maybe this should have been more than a simple majority vote.
Perhaps a 2/3 to pass instead, given the gravity it all.
Still, what's done is done.
Move on!
Of course, the referendum was not legally binding and they'll wriggle and squirm to try and find some way out.
At least, I'm glad that we get rid off those greedy London City bankers.
We've seen about 20 different answers to those questions today alone. The latest is that Scotland's First Minister says she has the power to veto Brexit. Although I'm still in shock, politics is really quite entertaining and unpredictable at the moment.
Just heard a constitutional lawyer explaining that the referendum is 'advisory' and Parliament has the power to simply dismiss it. Now that would be fun.
The media is full of articles and interviews, about British politicians trying to backtrack promises they made about where all the money they give to the EU would go if they leave, people regretting their vote, and Scotland trying to force the UK back from truly exiting. Basically implying there's a scramble to try to undo this. Any legitimacy to this?
That depends on who's judging. One thing seems clear: constitutionally parliament doesn't have to do what the people have asked through the referendum.
They'll do all they can to wriggle out of it, and on past form the people will let them get away with it. This is what happened in Ireland and Denmark, where there had to be a second referendum which produced the right answer.
Now it appears that not only will Brexit affect my retirement fund, but also my bonus!!! This must stop, I tell you! >:(
Think a lot of Brexit voters are going to regret their choice.
The BBC broadcast an ex serviceman, aged 82 (ten years older then me so not haging served in the war) crying because hecwas so pleased British troops would not serve under German officers. Made me thoroughly sick and discreditted the BBC for using him as an emotional "weapon".
If that is the sort of rationale behind some voters' choice I am ashamed they belong to the same nation as me.
Roadmap Plan for UK Departure from the EUQuoteWe've gained exclusive access to a leaked plan (http://thebrexitplan.com/) that was put together by the Vote Leave campaign, the UKIP, and Nigel Farage. It includes detailed solutions for the following political and economic issues expected after the United Kingdom departs the European Union.
Quote from: Tom62 on July 02, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
Roadmap Plan for UK Departure from the EU
QuoteWe've gained exclusive access to a leaked plan (http://thebrexitplan.com/) that was put together by the Vote Leave campaign, the UKIP, and Nigel Farage. It includes detailed solutions for the following political and economic issues expected after the United Kingdom departs the European Union.
Yup, about sums it up I reckon!
New thread: "Brexit plans and similar fantasies"?
Quote from: Tom62 on July 02, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
Roadmap Plan for UK Departure from the EU
QuoteWe've gained exclusive access to a leaked plan (http://thebrexitplan.com/) that was put together by the Vote Leave campaign, the UKIP, and Nigel Farage. It includes detailed solutions for the following political and economic issues expected after the United Kingdom departs the European Union.
Fascinating. More substance than I expected.
Quote from: Tom62 on July 02, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
Roadmap Plan for UK Departure from the EU
QuoteWe've gained exclusive access to a leaked plan (http://thebrexitplan.com/) that was put together by the Vote Leave campaign, the UKIP, and Nigel Farage. It includes detailed solutions for the following political and economic issues expected after the United Kingdom departs the European Union.
Hah, I chased that red button all over the page before I realized what was going on.
Email from the UK gov petitions committee:
QuoteYou recently signed the petition "EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum":
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
The Petitions Committee has decided to schedule a House of Commons debate on this petition. The debate will take place on 5 September at 4.30pm in Westminster Hall, the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. The debate will be opened by Ian Blackford MP.
The Committee has decided that the huge number of people signing this petition means that it should be debated by MPs. The Petitions Committee would like to make clear that, in scheduling this debate, they are not supporting the call for a second referendum. The debate will allow MPs to put forward a range of views on behalf of their constituents. At the end of the debate, a Government Minister will respond to the points raised.
A debate in Westminster Hall does not have the power to change the law, and won't end with the House of Commons deciding whether or not to have a second referendum. Moreover, the petition – which was opened on 25 May, well before the referendum – calls for the referendum rules to be changed. It is now too late for the rules to be changed retrospectively. It will be up to the Government to decide whether it wants to start the process of agreeing a new law for a second referendum.
The Petitions Committee is a cross-party group of MPs. It is independent from Government. You can find out more about the Committee on its website: http://www.parliament.uk/petitions-committee/role
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
There were about 4 million petitioners for a second referrendum.
Ironic thing is the petition was started by a Brexiteer,
before the actual ref, to protect his pov!
Despite my brain telling me that to "Remain", in the (vain?) hope of a reformed EU was the better option the closet anarchist in me yearned for "Brexit".
There will be some initial, hopefully short lived, chaos. I respect chaos, it is one of tbe prime movers of evolution.
How will the UK evolve here I wonder?
Well, Theresa May has gone and done it - called a snap general election for the UK. Well, snappish.
I am not very surprised, all the opposition parties and the unelected upper house are against Brexit. There are even unhappy people in her own party.
But none of the opposition parties are really fit to rule and the opinion of the upper house is, in the outcome, just that, they have only the power to debate and delay (waste of space and money mostly, even though I find myself agreeing with them so often).
So, she is shuffling the decision back to the people. But will we get the true facts out of them so that we can make an educated, considered and balanced decision? Fat bloody chance! We will get the same unreliable economists' predictions and political clap trap I think.
Now, what do I do? Go with my still strong instincts for Remain and vote for a bunch of Labour (no way do I want Corbyn as PM) or Liberal idiots or break a life long tradition and vote Conservative - a party that gies against more of my principles than the others?
Or vote Green, if they have someone standing here, so I don't totally waste my franchise.?
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She has three days to come up with a backup plan. It'll be fine...
Quote from: jumbojak on January 10, 2019, 06:16:37 AM
She has three days to come up with a backup plan. It'll be fine...
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And, there's fresh elections to look forward to...
Quote from: jumbojak on January 10, 2019, 06:25:45 AM
And, there's fresh elections to look forward to...
>:(
I hope your toe hurts!
It's excruciating, but laughter seems to help!
Quote from: jumbojak on January 10, 2019, 06:32:11 AM
It's excruciating, but laughter seems to help!
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=8587.0
:therethere:
Well Parliament voted on the deal that Teresa May had come to with the EU. If she lost the vote by more than 100 she was dead. The last biggest historical loss was in 1924 and that was 164. She lost by 230! She will go down in history as the PM who presided over the greatest loss in the history of the UK parliament.
Tomorrow there will be a vote of no confidence in the government by parliament. She will loose and that will force a general election. Brexit will be put on hold while that happens. After the election nobody knows what will happen. The UK is now in political limbo.
Note: The Government is formed at the behest of the Queen (a constitutional peculiarity) by the person who can gather a majority of votes from the MPs. Parliament is the voting body of Members of Parliament irrespective of party affiliations.
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:13:44 PM
Well Parliament voted on the deal that Teresa May had come to with the EU. If she lost the vote by more than 100 she was dead. The last biggest historical loss was in 1924 and that was 164. She lost by 230! She will go down in history as the PM who presided over the greatest loss in the history of the UK parliament.
Tomorrow there will be a vote of no confidence in the government by parliament. She will loose and that will force a general election. Brexit will be put on hold while that happens. After the election nobody knows what will happen. The UK is now in political limbo.
Note: The Government is formed at the behest of the Queen (a constitutional peculiarity) by the person who can gather a majority of votes from the MPs. Parliament is the voting body of Members of Parliament irrespective of party affiliations.
Wow. :shocked:
Interesting times?
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
I see some similarity to the 1975 constitutional crisis in Australia. Basically, the Whiltlam Labor government failed to secure supply and, instead of following convention and calling an election, tried to carry on by securing illegal loans from foreign entities. The Governor General prorogued parliament triggering a general election and installed the Opposition leader as caretaker Prime Minister in the interim. Some Labor supporters have never gotten over it. I imagine some Brexiters will similarly never get over the failure of May to successfully navigate Brexit.
The crisis was created by the people. They voted for Brexit. You reap what you sow. Just like we are with Trump.
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
If it's any consolation, I slipped again and my toe is really killing me today.
Quote from: jumbojak on January 16, 2019, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
If it's any consolation, I slipped again and my toe is really killing me today.
Oh dear! That's no consolation at all. Do be careful.
Quote from: jumbojak on January 16, 2019, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
If it's any consolation, I slipped again and my toe is really killing me today.
Do you wear steel cap boots? They may help to prevent this type of accident.
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:13:44 PM
Tomorrow there will be a vote of no confidence in the government by parliament. She will loose and that will force a general election.
Pundits I've heard seem to think she'll survive with the DUPers declared support.
Another vote on exit seems reasonable to me, presumably people would be better informed now.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on January 16, 2019, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:13:44 PM
Tomorrow there will be a vote of no confidence in the government by parliament. She will loose and that will force a general election.
Pundits I've heard seem to think she'll survive with the DUPers declared support.
Another vote on exit seems reasonable to me, presumably people would be better informed now.
You are correct. It would appear that as long as all the Conservatives vote as they should then she will survive. But it will only take a few to abstain or vote against and she, and with her the government, will fall. Just before Christmas there was an attempt within the Conservative party to oust May. As that failed their party rules preclude them trying again for a year. If a few of the Conservatives really want May gone and to force a leadership election and general election they just might vote against her.
Quote from: Tank on January 16, 2019, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on January 16, 2019, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
If it's any consolation, I slipped again and my toe is really killing me today.
Oh dear! That's no consolation at all. Do be careful.
Oh c'mon Chris, it might hurt but that was
funny!
Quote from: hermes2015 on January 16, 2019, 06:19:56 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on January 16, 2019, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Tank on January 15, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Absolutely unknown territory now. Never seen anything like this in my life before. In fact nobody has.
If it's any consolation, I slipped again and my toe is really killing me today.
Do you wear steel cap boots? They may help to prevent this type of accident.
I do but the injury happened while wearing just socks at my mom's house. Funny story though, yesterday I had to make a final court appearance and I set off the metal detector going in. The officer asked if my boots were steel toe and I assured her that they were not as I bought these specifically not to have a steel cap due to the weight pulling on my hips.
They don't feel like steel toe, they don't say steel toe anywhere on them like safety shoes are supposed to, but the wand didn't lie. They thought I had an ankle holster... very good boots at any rate.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 16, 2019, 12:39:09 AM
The crisis was created by the people. They voted for Brexit. You reap what you sow. Just like we are with Trump.
They voted to sow but they haven't sown yet
They may vote not sow.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on January 16, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 16, 2019, 12:39:09 AM
The crisis was created by the people. They voted for Brexit. You reap what you sow. Just like we are with Trump.
They voted to sow but they haven't sown yet
They may vote not sow.
Direct democracy is dangerous. Representative democracy at least allows some reasoned debate by people who understand the issue. If you get to vote again every time the outcome is not to your liking, why not vote a third time?
Ecurb, our very own representatives have somehow managed not to indulge in reasoned debate by people who understand the issues. I will blame that on our ill informed voters or should I say dumb ass voters, many of whom failed ninth grade civics classes.
For heavens sake, how did we manage to elect a leader whose head is constantly in a place where the sun does not shine and who has become one of histories most inveterate liars. Ms May is at least aware of the implications and consequences of her Brexit arrangements.
Well she survived the vote. By exactly the number expected. It looks like the votes she bought for £1 billion paid off. It's bizarre but it is illegal to 'buy' votes in the UK yet she did exactly that!
Quote from: Tank on January 17, 2019, 07:55:28 AM
Well she survived the vote. By exactly the number expected. It looks like the votes she bought for £1 billion paid off. It's bizarre but it is illegal to 'buy' votes in the UK yet she did exactly that!
The plot thickens...
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