Could God be considered an atheist? Even though I don't believe in God, I still find this question interesting, since God is "the god", then what god could he worship?
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
I'm trying to think of a logically valid answer but can't. :lol:
God, the term, is nothing more then a people thing when a question comes about that has no answer. So. "God' fills the bill. When one contemplates the usage of the "word" it means different things. The main thing it apples to is , power. The most outstanding use leads to " that which rules", meaning, whatever something or someone is subject to that manipulates, causes, or forces. God rules the universe in terms of the laws of physics. If god then (in this case) is the rule of physics the the forces that rule the universe are God. God then, is the "forces that rule". The "force' need not be intelligent as one can understand. So then. it is an intelligent being that can only ask, what is God?
Without an intellectual being God cannot become a "who". Only a person/psychological can be a who as it is the psychological that can be "person". If there be at any time a person in past times that had a question that they could not answer they can make a problem be believed to be caused by a "Who". IE, 20,000 years ago the wind blows a tree over and is seen by a person. The observer has no idea (at that time in the past) what the wind is caused by or how it blew the tree over. The person attempt to find a cause but to no avail. So, the person then can relate to the forces involved as another person that cannot be seen. Eventually the non-real person can be termed "God" as an explanation of anything that cannot be understood.
On the overall, the unknown force equals a power that is misunderstood. God then, is also that which is the powers of the psychological/person over another person. Instead of an individual being ruled by God/nature (in this case the self) they become ruled by another. In this case, the one taking ruler ship becomes God over the other, which in turn means that God became a "who".
Being that intellect cannot exist outside a brain there can be no such thing as a God Who, that rules the universe. Intellect is not a free floater and has to be attached to, or originate from something physical.
God "who" then, as a fee floater running the universe cannot be true, and is an excuse for things that cannot be explained. The term God then, when it applies to people/persons is an excuse to rule others, who they then need no permission from anyone to rule over others when the ones who rule claim to have permission from "God" to do so---with no way to prove there is such a character.
Well, if (and that's a big if) god exists then she could not believe in herself, as she would have certain knowledge. So given that atheist means without belief in a deity, if god exists, logically she would have to be an atheist. ;)
God would be having one hell of an existential crisis.
God believes in the non-existence of itself, so therefore God does not exist.
You think, therefore you are.
God does not share the present reality at the very best chance God exists at all.
God would have to be far away, so far that we will never see him, and nobody will ever know he exists, ever.
Quote from: Breatharian on March 04, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
Could God be considered an atheist? Even though I don't believe in God, I still find this question interesting, since God is "the god", then what god could he worship?
Yahweh is a jealous God and would only worship himself, if he can ignore his own genocidal son murdering ways. That would take quite a delusional mind.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Old Seer on March 12, 2018, 03:26:03 AM
God, the term, is nothing more then a people thing when a question comes about that has no answer. So. "God' fills the bill.
Many are using the term, fills the Gap.
Many of the religions now have allocated their God to the Gap just before the Big Bang as they do did evolution respect as a law and science.
I see science as also putting their highest ideals and ideas in that same Gap since they are without a proven theory on the multiverse or multidimensional ideas.
They have equations that work for both a 9 universe multi verse as well as a 12 dimension model. Those and their brane ideas likely means that they will be in their own Gap for many years to come.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: Old Seer on March 12, 2018, 03:26:03 AM
God, the term, is nothing more then a people thing when a question comes about that has no answer. So. "God' fills the bill.
Many are using the term, fills the Gap.
Many of the religions now have allocated their God to the Gap just before the Big Bang as they do did evolution respect as a law and science.
I see science as also putting their highest ideals and ideas in that same Gap since they are without a proven theory on the multiverse or multidimensional ideas.
They have equations that work for both a 9 universe multi verse as well as a 12 dimension model. Those and their brane ideas likely means that they will be in their own Gap for many years to come.
Regards
DL
Over time, Science wins the argument. Galileo proved it so.
But now the Pope has a neat trick by declaring (infallibly of course)that Adam is a religion fact, and evolution is a science fact. A ridiculous assertion and an impossibility, but it keeps believers believing.
God mostly is a socially induced need that one needs someone they don't need.
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Here you are assuming something outside of evidence (namely that YHVH actually exists). All that can honestly be inferred here is that those who wrote the book believed that the god they worshipped didn't want them worshipping other gods.
Quote from: Old Seer on March 16, 2018, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: Old Seer on March 12, 2018, 03:26:03 AM
God, the term, is nothing more then a people thing when a question comes about that has no answer. So. "God' fills the bill.
Many are using the term, fills the Gap.
Many of the religions now have allocated their God to the Gap just before the Big Bang as they do did evolution respect as a law and science.
I see science as also putting their highest ideals and ideas in that same Gap since they are without a proven theory on the multiverse or multidimensional ideas.
They have equations that work for both a 9 universe multi verse as well as a 12 dimension model. Those and their brane ideas likely means that they will be in their own Gap for many years to come.
Regards
DL
Over time, Science wins the argument. Galileo proved it so.
But now the Pope has a neat trick by declaring (infallibly of course)that Adam is a religion fact, and evolution is a science fact. A ridiculous assertion and an impossibility, but it keeps believers believing.
God mostly is a socially induced need that one needs someone they don't need.
U C 20/20 on this.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Here you are assuming something outside of evidence (namely that YHVH actually exists). All that can honestly be inferred here is that those who wrote the book believed that the god they worshipped didn't want them worshipping other gods.
I do not assume that such a vile God exists. If he did, the Haig would want him for his crimes against humanity.
I am just showing what the dogma is.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Here you are assuming something outside of evidence (namely that YHVH actually exists). All that can honestly be inferred here is that those who wrote the book believed that the god they worshipped didn't want them worshipping other gods.
The Jewish religion has it that-- God is incomprehensible and cannot be known. That being the case then YHVH can only mean---"We don't know". So how is it that the peoples of the world keep following a person they don't know. Those who preside over what they consider Christianity have quite closely the same perspective. It's evident that eventually Atheism will win out.
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Well, this is nice.
It's not everyday that you see a Gnostic Christian Bishop; Made of Star Stuff, talking about what he believes regarding a topic that was started by a Nazi Satanist, in an atheist forum with atheists, humanists, gnostics, deists, witches, etc.
This is fascinating. :popcorn:
~That's all, please continue...
OK, Back to the OP.
Could God be considered an Atheist. Sure, why not. That also puts us back to ---all men (actually man, (There are occasion in biblical context that men also includes female, used in this way men equates to "man". Man =people and ladies are people) are created in the image of God. Now, that includes Atheists, right. In that understanding, God would also be a Atheist. Otherwise when one professed to be an Atheist he/she would cease to exist, or it would be impossible for one to be an Atheist, because, no person can be plus or minus any characteristic of God as presented or believed. If I can be an Atheist I can only be because it would have to be an attribute of God.
This gives an idea of how ridiculous the worlds idea of God is. What these ideas of God do with all the claims of God is show the concept to be an impossibility.
What this amounts to is---God proves he does not exist.
Quote from: Old Seer on March 16, 2018, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Here you are assuming something outside of evidence (namely that YHVH actually exists). All that can honestly be inferred here is that those who wrote the book believed that the god they worshipped didn't want them worshipping other gods.
The Jewish religion has it that-- God is incomprehensible and cannot be known. That being the case then YHVH can only mean---"We don't know". So how is it that the peoples of the world keep following a person they don't know. Those who preside over what they consider Christianity have quite closely the same perspective. It's evident that eventually Atheism will win out.
Only, I think, if atheists continue to grow their church network.
They have to recognize that churches fill the tribal needs that we all have in terms of fellowship.
The religious are called sheeple for a reason as they have a need to all gather under just about any pretence.
That need is what is forcing atheists to create churches as they know that their own children also have that tribal instinct and that they must create churches of their own for it or they will lose their children to the immoral religious creeds.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 17, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: Old Seer on March 16, 2018, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 16, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on March 15, 2018, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 04, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Can an engineer be considered somebody who doesn't believe that engineers exist? :notsure:
God believes other Gods exist. That is obvious from the first commandment where he command us not to put any other God above him.
Here you are assuming something outside of evidence (namely that YHVH actually exists). All that can honestly be inferred here is that those who wrote the book believed that the god they worshipped didn't want them worshipping other gods.
The Jewish religion has it that-- God is incomprehensible and cannot be known. That being the case then YHVH can only mean---"We don't know". So how is it that the peoples of the world keep following a person they don't know. Those who preside over what they consider Christianity have quite closely the same perspective. It's evident that eventually Atheism will win out.
Only, I think, if atheists continue to grow their church network.
They have to recognize that churches fill the tribal needs that we all have in terms of fellowship.
The religious are called sheeple for a reason as they have a need to all gather under just about any pretence.
That need is what is forcing atheists to create churches as they know that their own children also have that tribal instinct and that they must create churches of their own for it or they will lose their children to the immoral religious creeds.
Regards
DL
Actually I meant science and Atheism will win out. Religion also fills the need for individuals to lead others, and in order to do so successfully they have to concoct fibs to convince others to follow them.
I would have thought that instead of some speaker type leading things, that groups would develop to chat on various topics from a scientific POV.
I give atheists points for honesty and not having to resort to lies.
I doubt that non-believers would tolerate lying the way theists do.
Regards
DL