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Re: Today in History
« Reply #90 on: December 10, 2017, 01:10:52 AM »
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Re: Today in History
« Reply #91 on: December 15, 2017, 02:18:25 PM »
I like listening to British people talk about the Battle of Hastings because you can see the inner conflict between "Oh no, I hate the French" and, "the Normans are an important part of our history"!

The part of me that likes the French is saying,"Yessssss England, the last great conquest of your land was by the French People,... DEAL WITH IT. 8)


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Re: Today in History
« Reply #92 on: December 15, 2017, 02:52:51 PM »
I like listening to British people talk about the Battle of Hastings because you can see the inner conflict between "Oh no, I hate the French" and, "the Normans are an important part of our history"!

The part of me that likes the French is saying,"Yessssss England, the last great conquest of your land was by the French People,... DEAL WITH IT. 8)


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The Norman French (you should distinguish this, they are not French French but ex-bloody-Scandinavians who pinched a bit of Frogland and spoke an appalling gutteral variety of the Froggy language) are, of course, an important part of British history. But only because the bastards beat us!

We got our own back at Agincourt! Even if that was against the French French. They deserved it.
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Re: Today in History
« Reply #93 on: December 15, 2017, 07:35:39 PM »
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.     

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Re: Today in History
« Reply #94 on: December 15, 2017, 07:38:44 PM »
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.   
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Re: Today in History
« Reply #95 on: December 15, 2017, 08:31:19 PM »
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.   

Um, IIRC, the "Normans" were "Norsemen",  Norwegians. The Vikings hailed from Denmark, close cousins, still Germanic like the Anglo-Saxons. Can't remember the proportions but English has more A-S words than NF IIRC. But if you count the letters there are more in French! Monosyllabic and basic words tend to be A-S in origin, leg=limb, hand=hond, bottom=botm, head=head, foot=fūt (ū as in scoot), cow=cū, ship=scip ("c" after "s"= "h"), bishop=biscop, wife=wyf, woman (as a wife, esp. the king's) = cwen (queen) . . .  Multisyllabic words like pleasure, entrance, beauty, dispose, entreat, endorse and longer are, of course, French - they always did like fluttering around with their language.

So we have two words for many things, and more words for some: skin, hide, fur,... Makes for interesting poetry and very thick thesauri! And a language you can mangle in its syntax and grammar and still make sense with.

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Re: Today in History
« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2017, 04:42:14 AM »
Vikings weren't of a specific nationality. There were Vikings from pretty much any Scandinavian country you care to mention. "Norsemen" as a term in that era (ca. 8th to 11th centuries) was more or less equivalent to "Scandinavian" now.
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Re: Today in History
« Reply #97 on: December 16, 2017, 06:15:56 AM »
Vikings weren't of a specific nationality. There were Vikings from pretty much any Scandinavian country you care to mention. "Norsemen" as a term in that era (ca. 8th to 11th centuries) was more or less equivalent to "Scandinavian" now.

In most of my readings the Anglo-Saxon accounts tend to tag the Danes as "Vikings" and the Norwegians as "Norsemen". But, true, it is not really a national tag. But it was the Danes who gave the Saxons more problems, in terms of settling, the Danelaw, and raiding, than any other national group.

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Re: Today in History
« Reply #98 on: December 16, 2017, 06:53:35 AM »
I think that it was the clever Danes who first figured out the advantages and profits of the Hanseatic league.  They now make some cool furniture of teak wood that does not grow anywhere near Denmark.. OK they are devious bastards....and they charge a bundle for their damned teak furniture.  ( Confession:my house is full of "Danish modern furniture" because I like the simplicity and utility of it)